Lively Case Discussion #631 5/30 - 5/31/2007

[greeneyedlady]

oops that's suppose to be De-licious..lol

[robots]

<-----------------100 POSITIVE

it will be solved  

Robots- it's already been solved.. now there is an effort to re-write history and that concerns me terribly.

 

[Kat_Gram]

I believe that we were all correct right from the beginning. I might have changed my mind on how I felt/thought about some of the other ppl ie Dompig, Karin Janssen , Sloot parents, but since the begining, the three were the guilty parties.
I had never been on a blog before so the really big surprise to me was and still is the venom as expressed on places like RWV, RU and FOB.
And the sheer number of them who just make stuff up out of their own twisted minds.
..
I made an assumption that the ALE were stupid and stuck on it, now as more information has come forward, a cover up and a professional one a at that. That started way before there was a call for a boycott so it isn't just backlash against the Holloway / Twitty families.

[Tiger]

Robots is correct

[robots]

Robots is correct

  lets hope

[LilPuma]

easy,I know him.If you want to email,I will talk about him.He is big into theories.

Thanks, but I was just passing the info along to someone else.  I'm not sure how I feel about the guy.  He didn't come across very well on H&C last night, but then again they did not give him much time to explain his theories.

I agree, Easy.  (After reading here, I caught H&C on the repeat.)  How many times have we read their statements, quoted their words from the Skeeters tapes or TV interviews and tried to find the truth within the lies?  If this guy has a better knowledge of psychology and "how the subconscious mind works", he may be onto something.  Unfortunately, it can't be explained in 60 seconds, so he didn't come across well.  Maybe he is a quack, but from the H&C interview, it's difficult to tell.  If he has some credibility, I'd like to hear him on Dana's show.

[msmarple]

Dutch Navy constantly monitoring situation in Venezuela?

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/31/

MARINA REAL TA RIBA UN ALERTA
Relaciona cu disturbio na Venezuela!

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Manera ta conoci desde cu Diadomingo anochi laat cu e señal di RCTV a desaparece, un avalancha di protesta non-stop ta tumando lugar na e pais bisiña.

Tur dia tin violencia, sakeo, disturbio, confrontacion entre manifestantenan y Guardia Nacional, polis, casi den tur estado Venezolano.

Mientras esnan cu ta biba den exterior via di medionan y tambe radio y Globovision y otro canalnan ta sigui e desaroyo di nan pais di acerca. Manera e situacion ta te cu ayera atardi analistanan tin fuerte duda cu e presidente lo por wanta e presion cu ta birando cada ora mas fuerte.

Mientras tanto tin mas studiante a fayece relaciona cu confrontacion cu polis. Un situacion cu a sali for di man cual dificilmente lo por worde controla. Locual ta seguridad segun informe cu Marina Real Hulandes ta monitor e situacion ya cu costa di Antiyas muy en particlar Aruba, Bonaire y Aruba constantemente ta worde control y vigila.

Esaki tin di haber cu e situacion na Venezuela pa vigila esnan na Venezuela lo huy pa motibo di disturbionan cu ta tumando lugar y nabega direccion den lanchanan pa drenta clandestinamente buscando refugio.

Manera ta conoci cu e Consul Venezolano a pidi gobierno sosten pa laga vigila su despacho. Marina Real na un forma profila pa no lanta stof su inteligencia ta monitor e situacion cual den un caso asina na unda nos ta den porta di Venezuela.

Poco dia pasa a worde señala varios funcionario di exterior cu tabata di bishita na Aruba. Entre otro a bishita despacho di Seguridad Nacional, esaki caba ta indica cu lo tat rata di halto funcionario ya esnan of esun cu no tin nada di haber cu e Servicio no ta yega na nan porta facilmente.

Por conclui cu aki lo ta trata di ehecutivonan di Hulanda, cu a bin pone nan mes na altura di e situacion cu ta regarda seguridad.

Online Pap translation:

navy regal is on one alerta
relaciona cu disturbio at venezuela!

oranjestad (aan): as is conoci by cu diadomingo night late cu the sign of rctv owing to desaparece, one avalancha of protest non-stop is tumando lugar at the country neighbour.

all day have violencia, sakeo, disturbio, confrontacion among manifestantenan y guardia nacional, police, casi in all estado venezolano.

while esnan cu live in exterior via of medionan y also radio y globovision y another canalnan is follow the desaroyo of they country of acerca. as the situation is till cu yesterday nightfall analistanan have strong doubt cu the chairman will can wanta the presion cu is birando cada hour more strong.

all the time have more student owing to fayece relaciona cu confrontacion cu police. one situation cu owing to leave for of hand cual dificilmente will can worde controla. locual is seguridad according informe cu navy regal dutch is monitor the situation already cu costa of antiyas muy provided that particlar aruba, bonaire y aruba constantemente is worde control y vigila.

this have of haber cu the situation at venezuela for vigila esnan at venezuela will huy for motibo of disturbionan cu is tumando lugar y nabega direccion in lanchanan for enter clandestinamente buscando refugio.

as is conoci cu the consul venezolano owing to ask gobierno sosten for let vigila his despacho. navy regal at one form profila for not arise stof his inteligencia is monitor the situation cual in one caso so at where we is in door of venezuela.

some day happen owing to worde señala several funcionario of exterior cu was of visit at aruba. among another owing to visit despacho of seguridad nacional, this end is indica cu will tat rata of high funcionario already esnan or esun cu not have nothing of haber cu the servicio do not arrive at they door facilmente.

can conclui cu here will is deal of ehecutivonan of the netherlands, cu owing to come place they self at height of the situation cu is regarda seguridad.

[LilPuma]

I believe that we were all correct right from the beginning. I might have changed my mind on how I felt/thought about some of the other ppl ie Dompig, Karin Janssen , Sloot parents, but since the begining, the three were the guilty parties.
I had never been on a blog before so the really big surprise to me was and still is the venom as expressed on places like RWV, RU and FOB.
And the sheer number of them who just make stuff up out of their own twisted minds.
..
I made an assumption that the ALE were stupid and stuck on it, now as more information has come forward, a cover up and a professional one a at that. That started way before there was a call for a boycott so it isn't just backlash against the Holloway / Twitty families.

Exactly, Kat_Gram.  The coverup led to the boycott, not the other way around.  The coverup led to the criticism of the investigation.  It wasn't criticizing ALE that derailed it.  Derailment started when the guards were arrested and Joran was allowed to hide evidence and finish the school year.  Bring in the furniture trucks!

[Tamikosmom]

This case has "obstruction of justice" and "cover-up" written all over it. It is too obvious and that's why I want to know just who it is that has kept/ can keep this case from being solved.

greeneyedlady ... think about it ... justice for Natalee implies not only accountability by those involves in the events that encompass the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.  It implies accountability by those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations who were involved or had knowledge of the coverup ... the corrupt investigation. Then there are the sons of the elite and ... the judiciary. Also ... justice has the ability to expose dirty little secrets that go beyond the Natalee Holloway case that encompass drugs ... money laundering ... prostitution ... gambling ... pornography.

I have an inner struggle in regards to the outcome of the Natalee Holloway case.  Logic dictates that it is too late to turn back the clock ... justice is not going to happen ... the implications are too overwhelming.  However ... my faith assures me otherwise.

Janet

Matthew 19: 26
Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

[Easywriter]

Easy-

I don't know how I feel about the case anymore. I'm up and down.. everyday it's something else. Previous history of those missing on Aruba doesn't leave much hope... if you go by past records as an indicator.

I guess we are in the same boat.  I don't think any of the other cases put the spotlight on Aruba quiet like this one did, but still here we are two years later and it hasn't moved.

We know more about the underbelly of Aruba now, but that just doesn't change what happened those first two weeks.  How can anyone go back and retrieve those lost hours and days that would have made a huge difference?

[Sue]

ANDREW HODGES :
http://forensicthoughtprints.com/about.html

What i want to know is what writings of Deepaks did he come up with
this information  i thought i heard something  to the idea it  was 5 days after natalee went missing i might have heard wrong..
The boys had not been arrested at that point so where is he getting his information

[Easywriter]

I believe that we were all correct right from the beginning. I might have changed my mind on how I felt/thought about some of the other ppl ie Dompig, Karin Janssen , Sloot parents, but since the begining, the three were the guilty parties.
I had never been on a blog before so the really big surprise to me was and still is the venom as expressed on places like RWV, RU and FOB.
And the sheer number of them who just make stuff up out of their own twisted minds.
..
I made an assumption that the ALE were stupid and stuck on it, now as more information has come forward, a cover up and a professional one a at that. That started way before there was a call for a boycott so it isn't just backlash against the Holloway / Twitty families.

Where else in the world would judges known to be acquainted with someone close to a case be allowed to have decision making power?  It started from day one and nothing was done about it.  Paulus was even still all over the prosecutor’s office and anywhere else he wanted to be.  Crazy, crazy, crazy…….

[LilPuma]

This case has "obstruction of justice" and "cover-up" written all over it. It is too obvious and that's why I want to know just who it is that has kept/ can keep this case from being solved.

When the Dutch were asked to get involved in the investigation, they asked for two things that we know of:  
1.  Offices separate from ALE.  
2.  Full police power, including guns and badges.  

The Dutch know more about Aruba than we do.  These "conditions" speak volumes.

[Easywriter]

easy,I know him.If you want to email,I will talk about him.He is big into theories.

Thanks, but I was just passing the info along to someone else.  I'm not sure how I feel about the guy.  He didn't come across very well on H&C last night, but then again they did not give him much time to explain his theories.

I agree, Easy.  (After reading here, I caught H&C on the repeat.)  How many times have we read their statements, quoted their words from the Skeeters tapes or TV interviews and tried to find the truth within the lies?  If this guy has a better knowledge of psychology and "how the subconscious mind works", he may be onto something.  Unfortunately, it can't be explained in 60 seconds, so he didn't come across well.  Maybe he is a quack, but from the H&C interview, it's difficult to tell.  If he has some credibility, I'd like to hear him on Dana's show.

That's a good idea.  If he is pushing a book, he will jump at the idea of being on Dana's show.

[Dihannah1]

easy,I know him.If you want to email,I will talk about him.He is big into theories.

Hmm.. I read a little from his website.  Sounds similar to the old "Freudian Slip" .

They mentioned Natalee on local news radio this morning about her 2 yr. anniversary and aired a clip of Beth's interview last night.

[msmarple]

Hummm. By chance is this saying Valero is closing? Or maybe being sold? Hope Sandy drops by ...

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/31/

RUMOR ENCUANTO BENTA DI REFINERIA VALERO
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Informacion cu ta yegando cerca nos encuanto benta di refineria Valero ta completamente robez.

Siman pasa nos a haya informacion cu refineria Valero ta na benta. Nos a busca contacto mesora cu David Smith vocero di Valero kende a splica nos cu e noticia no ta corecto pasobra te cu diahuebs su persona no a tende nada.

Ayera durante dia atrobe tabata core mesun informacion y cu te hasta tin un circulario entre e trahadornan di Refineria Valero kendenan lo tuma esaki over.

Mesora nos a bolbe tuma contacto cu David Smith cu a splica cu e momento ey e tabata sinta cerca e CEO di Valero Ray Buckley.

Atrobe e no por a confirma nos e noticia. Cu otro palabra informacion falso ta loke cu ta circulando encuanto cu refineria Valero a ser bendi y cu na February 2008 esaki ta concretiza.

Online Pap translation:

rumor encuanto throw of refineria valero

oranjestad (aan): informacion cu is yegando close we encuanto throw of refineria valero is completamente robez.

week happen we owing to achieve informacion cu refineria valero is at throw. we owing to busca contacto at once cu david smith vocero of valero that owing to splica we cu the news do not corecto because till cu diahuebs his person not owing to hear nothing.

yesterday during day again was core same informacion y cu till even have one circulario among the trahadornan of refineria valero kendenan will take this over.

at once we owing to go back take contacto cu david smith cu owing to splica cu the instant ey the was sit close the ceo of valero ray buckley.

again the not can owing to confirma we the news. cu another word informacion false is thing cu is circulando encuanto cu refineria valero owing to being bendi y cu at february 2008 this is concretiza.

[greeneyedlady]

This case has "obstruction of justice" and "cover-up" written all over it. It is too obvious and that's why I want to know just who it is that has kept/ can keep this case from being solved.

greeneyedlady ... think about it ... justice for Natalee implies not only accountability by those involves in the events that encompass the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.  It implies accountability by those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations who were involved or had knowledge of the coverup ... the corrupt investigation. Then there are the sons of the elite and ... the judiciary. Also ... justice has the ability to expose dirty little secrets that go beyond the Natalee Holloway case that encompass drugs ... money laundering ... prostitution ... gambling ... pornography.

I have an inner struggle in regards to the outcome of the Natalee Holloway case.  Logic dictates that it is too late to turn back the clock ... justice is not going to happen ... the implications are too overwhelming.  However ... my faith assures me otherwise.

Janet

Matthew 19: 26
Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

I agree Janet and what you wrote brings back what Charles Croes posted at the beginning of this case about the "far reaching implications".He definitly knew what was going on.

[Easywriter]

Monster Pig now has its own web site! lol

http://www.monsterpig.com/

Any gun enthusiast here?  Been a long time since I handled a gun, but remember that a 357 magnum pistol could knock you on you’re a$$ if you weren’t careful.  What’s the recoil like on a 50 caliber Smith & Wesson revolver?  That thing should be able to take down small trees!

[robots]

Monster Pig now has its own web site! lol

http://www.monsterpig.com/

Any gun enthusiast here?  Been a long time since I handled a gun, but remember that a 357 magnum pistol could knock you on you’re a$$ if you weren’t careful.  What’s the recoil like on a 50 caliber Smith & Wesson revolver?  That thing should be able to take down small trees!

its a CANNON  

[Easywriter]

What would you guys do?

MINNEAPOLIS —  An errant computer keystroke led the state to accidentally issue a $2.5 million check to a school counselor _ who spent thousands on cars, jewelry and electronics, prosecutors said.

Sabrina Walker, 37, was charged Tuesday with theft by swindle and concealing the proceeds of a crime. She remained in jail Wednesday in lieu of $200,000 bail.