Lively Case Discussion #632 5/31 - 6/1/2007

[bleachedblack]

Jon at Scrux got a copy of Lazlo's translation of the Panorama article before it was deleted at RU.  Here it is:

Joran's interview with Panorama magazine in the NL:

Suspect Joran van der Sloot about Natalee Holloway: "I thought fok that bitch".

Two years ago the 18 year old Natalee Holloway disappeared on Aruba. In the middle of the night she went away with Joran van der Sloot en did not return.

Panorama visited him!

The luxaflex from Joran's house are closed, but he is there. Not shaved-he has prepared for his exam untill late at night- he opens the door.
There are no plants, but playmates are decorating the room (pic of Joran sitting under two pics of naked woman).
We take a seat on garden chairs on a third-hand dinner table and drink cola.
Joran (19) studies International Buisiness Management on the Hogeschool Arnhem.
Prior to that he lived his whole life on Aruba.
When the tall, muscled guy talks about the sunny island his dark eyes are twinkling. It is understandable a naief girl from Alabama, like Natalee Holloway would get into the car with him in the middle of the night. What did he think of her?
"Better if I don't say that". A second later he does say it: "Easy". An American tourist like many he had prior. In his recently published book 'De zaak Natalee Holloway' Joran tells to extend about picking up young tourists. He dedicades 350 pages, very detailled-almost boring-about his life.
For example how lying is a second nature to him. How he lied since young age to his parents, teatchers and girlfriends. And how he after the disappearance of Natalee strongly lies to the entire world, including the parents of the missing girl and the police. That is why the police was on a dead lead for more then a week, and he and his friends had the time to clean up possible traces en making their stories match.

(I will now just translate merely questions and answers)
Actually, this , but the picture is interesting and telling. What a POS he is.  Hope his mama is proud of him now.  They make me sick
Interviewer: If you lied your entire life, why do people have to believe you now?
Joran: That is not necaissairy. Everybody lies at times. It is not something I am proud of.
Interviewer: What happened during the hours you was with Natalee?
Joran: I wrote that in the book, I do not want to tell it again.
Interviewer: But that is what it is about isn't it? You were the one who was last seen with her.
Joran: I have told it already ten times. I do not like talking about that again. I don't have to I think.
Interviewer: In what kind of state was Natalee that night?
Joran: You cannot ask me that, who am I to judge about that?
Interviewer: Was she drunk?
Joran: That is not a normal question. How would I know. I was not with her the entire night when she was drinking.
Interviewer: She fell asleep that night right?
Joran: No she did not fall asleep. She was out for a little while, I had that happening to myself also at a times. Things are twisted in such a way that it seems as if she was alseep. So I don't know what you mean by that.
Interviewer: I have read that.
Joran: I mean she was not asleep. Maybe two seconds.
(Interviewer writes his thoughts: hmz, Joran tells the police on June 13 2005: I am lying down for 10 minutes next to Natalee thinking, while she sleeps. page 159)
Interviewer: Was she unconscious?
Joran: No.
(Interviewer: Joran's best friend Freddy states on June 12 to the police that Joran had told him about the trip with Natalee, "the girl fell down several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at a certain moment the girl remained passed out and that they had left her on the beach./snippped/ especially since the phone call lasted 8 minutes)
Interviewer: I ask Joran what he talked about.
Joran lights a cigaret: What is there to tell if I only said that? I do not recall. I do not have an explanation for that.
Interviewer: You wanted to get rid of the girl, and that phonecall took place behind the Fisherman's Huts?
Joran: I went to stand there out of the wind. You cannot hear anything when you are in the wind. There was a lot of wind that night. I do recall that when the police started to talk about that phonecall.
Interviewer: Did you ask her to come with you?
Joran: I picked her up, that was just kidding.
Interviewer: It remains a strange story.
Joran: It is. I just should have taken her with me, but the intention was to leave fast.
Interviewer: Why were you in such a hurry?
Joran: To diss (get rid of her) her a little, because she wanted me to stay there with her. I thought on that moment in all honesty: fok you.
If I would have wanted to pick up the shoes, I would have to walk passing her.
When I was in the car I thought: fok that bitch. Fok those shoes, anyway.
Interviewer: Natalee was still on the beach?
Joran: It is disturbing now, but that is the way it went.
Interviewer: Disturbing.
Joran: Yes, it is disturbing that I have to tell all this. It of course is not something to be proud of when you leave a girl behind like that. That is one of the reasons I lied. I do not think I lied without a reason or something like that.
Interviewer: Why did you not tell the truth right away, like it is now in your book?
Joran: That is also because of the police. Every time I tell something, I just have to make one slip of the tongue and they are screwing me again. I thought at a certain moment: I am not going to cooperate one centimeter. f*** you. If you think I did something then go prove it. I know I did nothing. So I was basically just thinking about myself.
Interviewer: Did you think about Natalee's parents during that period?
Joran: No.
Interviewer: Why not?
Joran: I did nothing wrong. I feel bad because I left her at the beach. that for sure. But I do not feel sorry for her parents one bit. What they did was worse then what I did.
Interviewer: Because they called for a boycot Aruba?
Joran: Of course! That is insane!
Interviewer The police did an unannounced search at your parents home.
Joran: Someone had some gossip story, that she was in the well at our home. So they came to our house. They have looked if she was burried under the cement of the swimmingpool that has been there for four years.
Interviewer: The entire garden has been digged up.
Joran: Yes, my father and me have laughed about it. When I heard it I called my father. He just got home. He was laughing also. He told me that they had a search warrant to look for her. He allowed them to search the entire house. One can only laugh about that. I told my father: tell the investigators Joran send his greetings. But he did not think that was funny.
Interviewer: What is the biggest misconception that excists about you?
Joran: The US media have called me a murderer. But who I find worse is Peter R. de Vries. For him I had a bucket with water ready. When he was here and wanted to talk to me I ran upstairs, I thought I am going to pull the water over him and his babycamera's.
Interviewer (first mentioned the photshopped pic) : But you made that pic as a joke?
Joran: No, that is not true. I do not want to go into that I do take fault for that a little. I knew about it.
Interviewer: Is it not somewhat morbid to have someone make such a picture?
Joran: I do not want to go into that.
Interviewer: Why not?
Joran: Normally. It was not intended as sick humor.
Interviewer (I want to know why he wrote the book)
Joran: For me, I wanted to write it of me to be able to leave it behind.
Interviewer: You purely did it to be able to coope with it?
Joran: Why else would I do it?
Interviewer: To talk yourself out of it.
Joran: For whom would I have to talk myself out of it? That is the last thing that I would need to do.
Interviewer: How much money did you make with it?
Joran: That is none of your business.
Don't you think it is wrong that you are earning money on the disappereance of Natalee?
Joran: What a shit question that is.
 
 
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Missed the previous post of where/when this interview took place. But the true Joran is more apparent than in many previous interviews. He still sticks with his lies, but the personality shines much clearer. He is a shifty, nasty, holier-than-thou piece of chit. IMO

[msmarple]

He has the "Desaparecida" poster on his wall?

(On the same wall with the ... ahem ... pinups.)

Grotesque.

I don't think that poster of Natalee is really on his wall, I think the magazine editor added that.

Hummm. Look again. Top page of the article. To the left of the clock.

(Yes, again at the bottom, with other photos - the editors added those.)

[AZSunny]

That's the first I have heard of that case AZSunny. It will be a problem too. For very DIFFERENT reasons.

Just from looking at that page quickly, I can see where that will go. They will try to pin it on American chaperones and the Ghana folks will get a free pass. Just like in Aruba. They will try to blame the Ugly Americans. The FBI will be stonewalled. Being that an African nation is involved, they will play the race card. The media will treat them with kid gloves.

And another grieving family will be denied Justice. For their child who went there to HELP those people, no less.

In watching the video, it takes on a different perspective.  Apparently they had an independent autopsy done here, and then from the preliminary results, the FBI became involved.  Apparently they  do not have the final results as yet.  Another murder child.  How sad.

[AZSunny]

He has the "Desaparecida" poster on his wall?

(On the same wall with the ... ahem ... pinups.)

Grotesque.

I don't think that poster of Natalee is really on his wall, I think the magazine editor added that.

Hummm. Look again. Top page of the article. To the left of the clock.

(Yes, again at the bottom, with other photos - the editors added those.)

No, I agree with Klaas, that was added.  perhaps it was a cover story and they were making the association to Natalee.

[klaasend]

He has the "Desaparecida" poster on his wall?

(On the same wall with the ... ahem ... pinups.)

Grotesque.

I don't think that poster of Natalee is really on his wall, I think the magazine editor added that.

Hummm. Look again. Top page of the article. To the left of the clock.

(Yes, again at the bottom, with other photos - the editors added those.)

I still don't think it's on the wall although I could be wrong.  I really think it was placed their by the editor.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

[Dayhiker]

Missed the previous post of where/when this interview took place. But the true Joran is more apparent than in many previous interviews. He still sticks with his lies, but the personality shines much clearer. He is a shifty, nasty, holier-than-thou piece of chit. IMO

I have an idea the Dutch are better people as a whole than that, BB, and his crap isn't going to go over too well especially after DeVries shreds him to pieces on national TV tomorrow night.

[AZSunny]

I am hesitant to bring this up, but did you see how small his feet look in those pictures?

[bleachedblack]

Missed the previous post of where/when this interview took place. But the true Joran is more apparent than in many previous interviews. He still sticks with his lies, but the personality shines much clearer. He is a shifty, nasty, holier-than-thou piece of chit. IMO

I have an idea the Dutch are better people as a whole than that, BB, and his crap isn't going to go over too well especially after DeVries shreds him to pieces on national TV tomorrow night.

Agreed and can't wait.

[AZSunny]

Angie,  whose house is that??

[Tiger]

Joran is a classic Sociopath.He boasts and Lies,with contempt for any and all humans.He views he is smarter,and more cunning than the rest of us.He is no longer a human.Toby Kieth has the right idea.I felt the suit would fail for the reasons Easy quoted.I think the Dutch will act.

[Tamikosmom]

Joran is sooo arrogant and ... why should he not be.  Despite lie upon lie upon lie upon lie ... in regards to the last time he was with Natalee Holloway ... he was released from detention three months into the investigation with no travel restrictions and ... does not have to submit to further questioning.  Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty cannot touch him in regards to a civil suit unless the motion is carried out in an Aruban court.  When all the favorable rulings granted to Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus despite lie upon lie upon lie upon lie are taken into consideration  ... what is the point?

Janet

THE ABRAMS REPORT - Oct. 12/05
DOMPIG: Well, it would take me, I think, a little over two days to go over all the inconsistencies. None of the stories match up, let me put it that way. So when it comes to believing this individual, we know in which category to place him.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Angie,  whose house is that??

  A VDS lover.. thats whos house it is,.,. and I bet she has a pile of shit in her pants at this very moment!  

[Tiger]

Oh,I also think the Dutch and the Queen are not amused,about Joran.He has small feet and Joet was hired to keep him out of a US court.He knows that Jran will brag and talk in court and hang himself,or an aruban will help

[AZSunny]

Angie,  whose house is that??

  A VDS lover.. thats whos house it is,.,. and I bet she has a pile of shit in her pants at this very moment!  

well, that is not all she needs to clean up.  how tacky.

[BTgirl]

Angie,  whose house is that??

  A VDS lover.. thats whos house it is,.,. and I bet she has a pile of shit in her pants at this very moment!  

well, that is not all she needs to clean up.  how tacky.

Someone needs to take up a collection and build her a better porch. That one doesn't look quite finished.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Angie,  whose house is that??

  A VDS lover.. thats whos house it is,.,. and I bet she has a pile of shit in her pants at this very moment!  

well, that is not all she needs to clean up.  how tacky.

 

[robots]

Joran is a killer

paulus is a killer

[Dayhiker]

He has the "Desaparecida" poster on his wall?

(On the same wall with the ... ahem ... pinups.)

Grotesque.

I don't think that poster of Natalee is really on his wall, I think the magazine editor added that.

Hummm. Look again. Top page of the article. To the left of the clock.

(Yes, again at the bottom, with other photos - the editors added those.)

No, I agree with Klaas, that was added.  perhaps it was a cover story and they were making the association to Natalee.

At least the Dutch reporter is not lost on his lies, which is more that we can say for Greta.

[sb]

BTW that picture of Joran lolling in the grass... it's a wonder "his" little fairy wings don't carry "him" away. I think Guido has swung his gate in the other direction. How DISGUSTING for a guy to have a cheesecake picture like that taken like he was a cheerleader or something. What's next, painted toenails?