Lively Case Discussion #633 6/2 - 6/3/2007

[klaasend]

ANGIE - Please no direct links to RU or FOB.  Also, if you are going to post a WILD post like that, please say who and where the post game from.  TIA

[BTgirl]

I don't read much over there, but the little I've seen leads me to believe that Seawolf is someone who likes to pull the chain of the Fobbers.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Posted by Seawolf at FOB:
LEAKED INFO FROM MOUNTAIN BROOK THAT JORAN MET SECRETLY WITH BETH AND HAS BASICALLY BLAMED THE WHOLE DISSAPEARANCE OF NATALEE ON SATISH AND DEEPAK......i cannot confirm this but came form a very very close the situation source.......

 I got an IM from someone who sent me this and the link  

LOL..I just read that and moon said"you sre so full of shit"    

 Just posted what I got an IM about? Sorry I posted the link.. and I have NO IDEA who the hell SEAWOLF is.. or if this is true?

[klaasend]

I don't read much over there, but the little I've seen leads me to believe that Seawolf is someone who likes to pull the chain of the Fobbers.

BTGirl - that would be my guess as well.  Seawolf is yanking their chain.

[igsigs]

Deepak 6/15 from Joran's book posted on Scrux and BFN.

I think it is new stuff...have not read yet.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

ANGIE - Please no direct links to RU or FOB.  Also, if you are going to post a WILD post like that, please say who and where the post game from.  TIA

  Sorry    
 Like I said.. I got an IM.. and was given the link.. and what was said. Guess I didnt think? Oh well.. I have done worse I suppose..  

[klaasend]

Posted by Jon at Scrux:

Deepak June 15 statement (page 119)

Joran asked me what we had to do at the police. I had told him that both of us would have to drive the route. He then said that he also was called by the police and that he had to drive that route also.
We walked around in the garden of the Racquet Club. During the walk I asked him if he had done something to the girl. Joran said he had done nothing with the girl. He then said it would be better that we left "because if the police sees us together they are going to think that we are discussing something"
On that same day we went to Joran's home after he had called us and told us he was ready at the police. We went to his house around 9 pm. There we found Joran's father and mother in the room. Joran's mother said: Hello guys, come in", I have to "tap you on your fingers" because you are having problems again". With that she meant that a week prior we had had a fight at Carlos and Charlies. I had an argument with a guy and the police had come. Joran's mother said: "the last half year Joran is having problems all the time, a few months ago he pushed a guy through a vitrine of the cinema."
When that happened I did not knew Joran yet. His mother also said that Joran is always in the casinos and that they as parents had not raised him like that.
"And now you are in trouble again. Don't you see how serious this problem is? If something has happened to the girl, then you are in a lot of trouble" She looked at me and my brother and said: You also. You went out on a Sunday night. Does your mother know you went out?" I told her my mother did not know, because we had left before she had arrived home. She said to Joran:"You Joran have sneaked out, your father did not even know that you had went out". This is correct since when we had picked Joran up that day, he had told us that his father was asleep and his mother was in Holland.
His father said at a certain moment: "Yes Joran, I don't know when you have left and also not when you came back home".
After this his mother said to us: "Boys you will have to go home soon". She felt we should not be out on the streets untill late.
We also should not go in the neighbourhood of the Marriott, because the police would control for sure, and you never know what can happen. After that she said that Joran had to go to sleep. Joran asked if he could talk a little with us. His mother said: if you can keep it short".
After that his parents left. Joran said the situation was a little difficult. I told him that it was a serious matter.But we still decided to continue lying.

Deepak statement (page 123)

Tuesday June 2 I went to wotk. At around eleven Joran called me. He said that there were people at his school who were putting up posters of the missing girl. He told me that on the posters it was mentioned the girl was kidnapped and that ppl should ask Joran how and what.(Joran): As it seems the situation is getting worse. My father has looked for a lawyer for me".
I told him we would talk later. I went that day around 4 pm to Joran's house, Freddy and his father Paulus were there also.
I sat down and his father asked if I had problems at my job. He told me that ppl had went to and put up posters at Joran's school.
He said that he had arranged for lawyer Anthony Carlo for Joran. He asked me if I had a lawyer, I told him no. He asked me if I knew a lawyer, I told him I did not knew any lawyers because I had no experience with lawyers.
I stayed for an hour, we listened to the radio and watched tv. That day there was a search for the girl.
After a while Joran's mother came into the room. When she was in the room I heard her talk to someone who was involved in the search. I heard Joran's mother say they were buisy searching at the lighthouse. On a certain moment Joran asked his father: Dad if they find the girl at the lighthouse we are in trouble.His father answerd: "Yes then you are in trouble because you have stated that you have been there with the girl".
Joran asked his father after that: And if they don't find a body? His father answered: No, if they don't find a body then you are not that much into trouble. I asked: Is it just like in the VS that if they do not have a body that they do not have a case against you? Joran said: It is just like in the VS. If they don't have a body, if they don't have a weapon, if they don't have clothes with blood on it, if they don't have fingerprints, then they cannot start a case. Before I left Joran;s father asked me if i could ask my mother to call him.

Joran June 13 statement (Page 158)

Around 3 am I call Deepak and ask him to pick me up. He asks where the girl is. I say that she is on the beach sleeping and does not want to listen to me.
He would come immediately. I wake her up and tell her that I am going to bring her back to her hotel. She refuses and goes back to sleep. I wonder if I better pick her up and take her. I am lying down for 10 minutes next to Natalee, while she is sleeping. I am not saying anything to her because her eyes are closed. When I hear Deepak's car arriving I wake her up once more, again she does not want to come with me to her hotel. I stand up and walk to the car.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Klaas.. I dont think I ever posted a link to RU ?

[Elaine]

Hello Monkeys! I have a feeling that IF any one of those three could meet with Beth and tell the truth....it would be the other way around. Deepak telling on Joran?

[BTgirl]

ANGIE - Please no direct links to RU or FOB.  Also, if you are going to post a WILD post like that, please say who and where the post game from.  TIA

  Sorry    
 Like I said.. I got an IM.. and was given the link.. and what was said. Guess I didnt think? Oh well.. I have done worse I suppose..  

Don't feel bad. Klaas has to smack me too and keep me in line.  

[klaasend]

Klaas.. I dont think I ever posted a link to RU ?

You didn't post RU, just FOB.  I just wanted to remind you that we don't want direct link to those nasty places.  No big deal.

[Sam]

Sam - the quilts sound beautiful!

2NJ - We're staying at a Holiday Inn on Fisherman's Wharf, and from the photos it looks quite nice.

Esprit also has a ? warehouse or discount type store in the Fishermans wharf area. No real changing rooms just canvas stalls or folks just try the clothes on in the aisles.

Oh by the way it is cool generally in Frisco. Especailly at night but also in the daytime. So make sure you have at least a cardigan or sweatshirt. Dress is mostly casual.

[BTgirl]

Sam - the quilts sound beautiful!

2NJ - We're staying at a Holiday Inn on Fisherman's Wharf, and from the photos it looks quite nice.

Esprit also has a ? warehouse or discount type store in the Fishermans wharf area. No real changing rooms just canvas stalls or folks just try the clothes on in the aisles.

Oh by the way it is cool generally in Frisco. Especailly at night but also in the daytime. So make sure you have at least a cardigan or sweatshirt. Dress is mostly casual.

TY, Sam. And it's good that the dress is mostly casual, cause I'm mostly casual too. I think it will be a match made in heaven.

[klaasend]

After a while Joran's mother came into the room. When she was in the room I heard her talk to someone who was involved in the search. I heard Joran's mother say they were buisy searching at the lighthouse. On a certain moment Joran asked his father: Dad if they find the girl at the lighthouse we are in trouble.His father answerd: "Yes then you are in trouble because you have stated that you have been there with the girl".
Joran asked his father after that: And if they don't find a body?

[Elaine]

After a while Joran's mother came into the room. When she was in the room I heard her talk to someone who was involved in the search. I heard Joran's mother say they were buisy searching at the lighthouse. On a certain moment Joran asked his father: Dad if they find the girl at the lighthouse we are in trouble.His father answerd: "Yes then you are in trouble because you have stated that you have been there with the girl".
Joran asked his father after that: And if they don't find a body?

Where was that shallow grave Tim Miller found? Was it near the lighthouse?

[klaasend]

Elaine - no the shallow grave was at the other end of the island.  That is near where the belt was found though, and of course the rocks.

[Rob]

Thanks Angie. If anyone has an opinion on the credibility of *seawolf* i would love to hear it.   TIA

Seems to be the resident psychologist to the mentally disturbed.

[Easywriter]

Is this info coming from Joran's book?  Why did he put those in his book, I wonder.....

So, does it sound like Joran knew they wouldn't find her at the lighthouse, or was he uncertain?

[klaasend]

Is this info coming from Joran's book?  Why did he put those in his book, I wonder.....

So, does it sound like Joran knew they wouldn't find her at the lighthouse, or was he uncertain?

Yes, in his book. I haven't a clue.  It seems he has a bunch of the PV's in his book.  Maybe the author insisted?  I don't know.  He is a sociopath, IMO.

[Elaine]

Elaine - no the shallow grave was at the other end of the island.  That is near where the belt was found though, and of course the rocks.

Thanks Klaas. Something happened in that area
near the lighthouse and the rocks. Even if she was taken there after something happened, or he wouldn't have asked such a question.  IMO