Lively Case Discussion #633 6/2 - 6/3/2007

[IBE]

Shoe size... 7 1/2 AAA in HS 8 AAA, in college, then an then an 8 narrow  and somewhere a few years ago starting in Perm Dis. about 1996 I became an 8 medium.. must have been in my more "spread out time".  

But remember the dress sizes... what was a 14 in 1956 is sure not what is a 14 now... much larger!

[IBE]

But I was in Haight/Asbury in 1967,hehe.Plenty of wub,I think.memory is hazy

      I think there are alot of hazy memories of that era.

Mine were hazy, but because I was a baby...  

Born two weeks before the assasination of JFK.

He was assasinated on my 13th birthday.  

Sorry BT, That makes for a sad B-day.  My DH B-day is 9/11,  it was one he'll never forget..

Happy birthday early to your DH.. we share the same birthday date. But the terrorists had to ruin someone's birthday!

[blah]

EASY - to answer your question in the other thread.  I have let Red know and I'm sure others have told the family.

I hope they do know and I wish there was something that could be done about that garbage.  Is this just a Medley thing, or did someone put her up to this one?  Or, did one of the nutz call in with a tip to look in MB and expected a payday?

 

what is this about?

[Buckeye]

EASY - to answer your question in the other thread.  I have let Red know and I'm sure others have told the family.

I hope they do know and I wish there was something that could be done about that garbage.  Is this just a Medley thing, or did someone put her up to this one?  Or, did one of the nutz call in with a tip to look in MB and expected a payday?

 

what is this about?

She's been posting on all the dark blogs about the reward being a scam.  They even made a fake website (then added a disclaimer).  Coincidently, Easy heard the reward will be increased and posted with a full page ad in Diario.  

[greeneyedlady]

What I found interesting about Kimberly's piece on Natalee was this narrator started out telling about the meeting with Antonio Carlo and Karen Jannsen where he tells her that Joran was involved with Natalee's disappearence and it was up to ALE to solve this case. And about where DeVries had secretly taped A.C. and he admitted that he had indeed told that to K.J. IMO it's not that ALE doesn't have any evidence to charge Joran but that ALE just decides not to use any of it.

[blah]

His father said at a certain moment: "Yes Joran, I don't know when you have left and also not when you came back home".


what a joke

he is tipping joran so he doesnt screw up in front of anita

[Rob]

His father said at a certain moment: "Yes Joran, I don't know when you have left and also not when you came back home".


what a joke

he is tipping joran so he doesnt screw up in front of anita

Blah, even if that is true and not a bunch of hooey to make Anita also culpable... at some point she has to be brought into the 'inner circle' or her sporter is going to jail should she mess up.
She's involved after the fact in my opinion....

And who knows what she heard on phone call to Holland before she went back to Aruba.

If I had a wife and she was on vacation and a major problem occurred while she was gone, you can bet I would pick up the phone and call her...It's human nature...everyone would make a call or two to their spouse.... or in her case.. louse.

Good Morning Everyone... maybe today is the DAY!!!!

[Easywriter]

EASY - to answer your question in the other thread.  I have let Red know and I'm sure others have told the family.

I hope they do know and I wish there was something that could be done about that garbage.  Is this just a Medley thing, or did someone put her up to this one?  Or, did one of the nutz call in with a tip to look in MB and expected a payday?

 

what is this about?

She's been posting on all the dark blogs about the reward being a scam.  They even made a fake website (then added a disclaimer).  Coincidently, Easy heard the reward will be increased and posted with a full page ad in Diario.  

Yes, I have been told that the reward for info will be increased substantially and a request was made to the Diario that an ad be run to announce the change.  Jossy agreed to run the ad for a week.  Not sure it will be a full page ad.  Didn't get into those details.

[BTgirl]

GEL - I have always thought ALE had loads of evidence on Joran that they simply decided not use. It's the same kind of corruption that's found all over the world.

I once had a job where one of my co-workers was totally useless. She didn't show up for work for days at a time. When she did show up, half the time she was drunk or hungover. She was theoretically doing work at home, but her secretary lived with her, and it was a commonly know fact that the secretary did all the work. The co-worker spent most of her time having parties at her home where drugs flowed freely. The most amazing thing, though, is that on the few occasions when she did show up at work, she would always say that as long as the current governor was in office she would have a job.

You see, we worked for a government-related entity, and her mother was dating the governor of the state. And, the co-worker turned out to be correct. As long as that governor  was in office, she could get away with anything. As soon as a different governor was elected, she went to prison for stealing funds from her department at work.

Moral of the story - replace the MEP officials who are part of Aruban corruption, and Joran would probably be in jail in a heartbeat.

[blah]

Joran asked his father: Dad if they find the girl at the lighthouse we are in trouble.His father answerd: "Yes then you are in trouble because you have stated that you have been there with the girl".

Paulus does it again here

[San]

Posted by Jon at Scrux:

Deepak June 15 statement (page 119)

Joran asked me what we had to do at the police. I had told him that both of us would have to drive the route. He then said that he also was called by the police and that he had to drive that route also.
We walked around in the garden of the Racquet Club. During the walk I asked him if he had done something to the girl. Joran said he had done nothing with the girl. He then said it would be better that we left "because if the police sees us together they are going to think that we are discussing something"
On that same day we went to Joran's home after he had called us and told us he was ready at the police. We went to his house around 9 pm. There we found Joran's father and mother in the room. Joran's mother said: Hello guys, come in", I have to "tap you on your fingers" because you are having problems again". With that she meant that a week prior we had had a fight at Carlos and Charlies. I had an argument with a guy and the police had come. Joran's mother said: "the last half year Joran is having problems all the time, a few months ago he pushed a guy through a vitrine of the cinema."
When that happened I did not knew Joran yet. His mother also said that Joran is always in the casinos and that they as parents had not raised him like that.
"And now you are in trouble again. Don't you see how serious this problem is? If something has happened to the girl, then you are in a lot of trouble" She looked at me and my brother and said: You also. You went out on a Sunday night. Does your mother know you went out?" I told her my mother did not know, because we had left before she had arrived home. She said to Joran:"You Joran have sneaked out, your father did not even know that you had went out". This is correct since when we had picked Joran up that day, he had told us that his father was asleep and his mother was in Holland.
His father said at a certain moment: "Yes Joran, I don't know when you have left and also not when you came back home".
After this his mother said to us: "Boys you will have to go home soon". She felt we should not be out on the streets untill late.
We also should not go in the neighbourhood of the Marriott, because the police would control for sure, and you never know what can happen. After that she said that Joran had to go to sleep. Joran asked if he could talk a little with us. His mother said: if you can keep it short".
After that his parents left. Joran said the situation was a little difficult. I told him that it was a serious matter.But we still decided to continue lying.

Deepak statement (page 123)

Tuesday June 2 I went to wotk. At around eleven Joran called me. He said that there were people at his school who were putting up posters of the missing girl. He told me that on the posters it was mentioned the girl was kidnapped and that ppl should ask Joran how and what.(Joran): As it seems the situation is getting worse. My father has looked for a lawyer for me".
I told him we would talk later. I went that day around 4 pm to Joran's house, Freddy and his father Paulus were there also.
I sat down and his father asked if I had problems at my job. He told me that ppl had went to and put up posters at Joran's school.
He said that he had arranged for lawyer Anthony Carlo for Joran. He asked me if I had a lawyer, I told him no. He asked me if I knew a lawyer, I told him I did not knew any lawyers because I had no experience with lawyers.
I stayed for an hour, we listened to the radio and watched tv. That day there was a search for the girl.
After a while Joran's mother came into the room. When she was in the room I heard her talk to someone who was involved in the search. I heard Joran's mother say they were buisy searching at the lighthouse. On a certain moment Joran asked his father: Dad if they find the girl at the lighthouse we are in trouble.His father answerd: "Yes then you are in trouble because you have stated that you have been there with the girl".
Joran asked his father after that: And if they don't find a body? His father answered: No, if they don't find a body then you are not that much into trouble. I asked: Is it just like in the VS that if they do not have a body that they do not have a case against you? Joran said: It is just like in the VS. If they don't have a body, if they don't have a weapon, if they don't have clothes with blood on it, if they don't have fingerprints, then they cannot start a case. Before I left Joran;s father asked me if i could ask my mother to call him.

Joran June 13 statement (Page 158)

Around 3 am I call Deepak and ask him to pick me up. He asks where the girl is. I say that she is on the beach sleeping and does not want to listen to me.
He would come immediately. I wake her up and tell her that I am going to bring her back to her hotel. She refuses and goes back to sleep. I wonder if I better pick her up and take her. I am lying down for 10 minutes next to Natalee, while she is sleeping. I am not saying anything to her because her eyes are closed. When I hear Deepak's car arriving I wake her up once more, again she does not want to come with me to her hotel. I stand up and walk to the car.

The someone involved in the search that Anita was talking to would be Julia Renfro.

Good Morning Everyone and thank you for your get well wishes.

[Easywriter]

When a law firm requests donation for the legal defense of a particular client, do they have to make any type of disclosure about those funds?  If not, how would anyone know how the money is being spent?

Also, why do the offices of Taco Joe list the van der slots as one of their notable criminal cases, when Taco represented them in a civil action?

I think a web site should be created demanding accountability!  

[BTgirl]

She's been posting on all the dark blogs about the reward being a scam.  They even made a fake website (then added a disclaimer).  Coincidently, Easy heard the reward will be increased and posted with a full page ad in Diario.  

There seems to be so much hoo-hah at some of the other sites about the reward money that I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone didn't try to claim it. I can picture someone saying that they deserve the reward because they have information that would help solve the case, then getting ticked when told that saying Natalee ran away with a blue eyed Dutch boy was not helpful information.  

[Easywriter]

She's been posting on all the dark blogs about the reward being a scam.  They even made a fake website (then added a disclaimer).  Coincidently, Easy heard the reward will be increased and posted with a full page ad in Diario.  

There seems to be so much hoo-hah at some of the other sites about the reward money that I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone didn't try to claim it. I can picture someone saying that they deserve the reward because they have information that would help solve the case, then getting ticked when told that saying Natalee ran away with a blue eyed Dutch boy was not helpful information.  

That's what I'm thinking too and Scrux pretty much said that he deserved some reward money in that long FOB post.  Then SandraK said she deserved some of the money too. lol

[BTgirl]

When a law firm requests donation for the legal defense of a particular client, do they have to make any type of disclosure about those funds?  If not, how would anyone know how the money is being spent?

Also, why do the offices of Taco Joe list the van der slots as one of their notable criminal cases, when Taco represented them in a civil action?

I think a web site should be created demanding accountability!  

I agree. And I think someone who has a blog should address that issue.

[nonesuche]

Good morning-

good to see San catching that point, it likely was Renfro also giving Anita a blow-by-blow of every breath Beth Twitty took.

Easy you are right about accountability on a website but if you are so proud of being branded 1-800-save-my-A$$ that you emblazon it on your front page, it's likely you really do not care one iota about accountability or integrity but only DOLLARS.

BT you likely made a good point but was your governor driving the entire state into a stand-off between the motherland that holds your financial gonads and Chavez seeing you as ripe for the picking? Either Oduber thinks naively he's smart enough to play ball with Chavez or he's an idiot - there are no other alternatives.

[Easywriter]

All the reward questions did cause me to do some searches and I did not find the particulars about any of the trust accounts setup for missing persons, or any other reward.  Most just give contact info to the financial institute managing the trust and direct readers to contact them for details.  I’ve never given it much thought, because I have never tried to collect a reward for anything.

My thoughts are that before a web site is setup that questions the integrity of anyone, those phone calls should be made and every attempt should be made to verify the info.  If those actions are not taken, then the author of the web site and all involved should be crushed like bugs for trying to defame the victims of a horrendous crime.

[oldfart]

Good Morning  

SAN
Hope you are feeling better [/b]

[nonesuche]

Easy I think needs Meds badly is grasping at straws now, I also think if the reward is raised substantially she may be fighting a losing battle. If anything the citizens of Aruba have learned from Oduber by now, follow the money?

I wish they would kick in asylum to whoever talks similar to our witness protection program and then perhaps it would be worth the risk for them?

[Easywriter]

When a law firm requests donation for the legal defense of a particular client, do they have to make any type of disclosure about those funds?  If not, how would anyone know how the money is being spent?

Also, why do the offices of Taco Joe list the van der slots as one of their notable criminal cases, when Taco represented them in a civil action?

I think a web site should be created demanding accountability!  

I agree. And I think someone who has a blog should address that issue.

I honestly do not understand all the new age paypal donation business.  I do know that I can’t put a label on a bunch of cans asking people to donate to the “Mike Needs a New Truck Fund” and put those cans at merchant's all over town.  The cops would swoop down on me in a heartbeat.  Not sure what makes the difference.