Lively Case Discussion #633 6/2 - 6/3/2007

[Easywriter]

Can't find the original source for this, but it is still interesting.

Natalee Holloway: Analysis Suggests Drugging And Gang Rape Involved

Dr. Andrew Hodges, a forensic psychiatrist, has begun to analyze some of what documented facts and statements are available in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway - that analysis suggests that both Deepak Kalpoe and Joran Van der Sloot may have been involved in a planned scheme which included the drugging and gang raping of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway. He is currently preparing a full report for the family of Natalee Holloway.

Thoughtprint decoding is reading between the lines for unconscious messages, called "thoughtprints,".

A recent breakthrough to the unconscious mind reveals it is strikingly honest and far brighter than the conscious mind and that criminals are strongly inclined toward unconscious confession.

To decode thoughtprints one must be attuned to a suspect's unconsciously patterned ideas and not his literal conscious statements. The conscious mind speaks literally ("left brain") about certain issues, the unconscious mind speaks symbolically ("right brain") about deeper issues facts via thoughtprints.

Thoughtprints: Joran indirectly warned the girls from Mountain Brook High School including Natalee Holloway around 9 pm at the Holiday Inn Casino-- "Don't go to Carlos and Charlies, it's no fun on Sunday night." This suggests an unconscious protective warning, knowing that he was up to something (a group rape as he suggests).

Natalee Drugged: Joran spontaneously reported that Natalee was on drugs at C and C suggesting she indeed was drugged there. Deepak's thoughtprints also suggest Natalee had been drugged - reporting that he had lied to police because missing girls "usually show up at a crack house (sic)."

Both suspects independently introduced drugs's suggesting they drugged her in addition to the alcohol she had consumed. There are rumors of bartenders cooperating in such a scenario.

Natalee Resisted a Group Rape: Joran and Deepak both referenced the idea of sex being refused ("Joran said he refused Natalee sex in the back seat at one point, Deepak prohibited Joran and Natalee from sexual contact telling them to go get a hotel room) and of Natalee refusing to be touched while on the ground when she fell.

All of this strongly suggests sexual activity and touch being refused and that she put up a fight while held down and that there was both verbal and physical resistance.

A particularly striking story of Natalee falling-- physically out of control on the ground and intoxicated linked with the moment of separation (death)-- suggests loss of control through drugs, rape and finally through death.

Additional analysis, some anticipated to be discussed this week on Court TV with more going directly to the family, is pending. In speaking with Dr. Hodges, it was at least suggested at this point that, based upon other reports, along with the drugging, such a crime may have included luring Natalee Holloway away from the front of Carlos and Charlie's on foot.

Dr. Hodges "Thought Print" work was involved to some extent in profiling the BTK serial killer. His credentials include being certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology. He is a former Assistant Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Alabama at Birmingham School of Medicine and received the Outstanding Clinician’s Award in 1995 from the International Society of Communicative Psychoanalysis & Psychotherapy. He is also a member of the American Psychiatric Association.

[Easywriter]

I tend to agree with much of what the guy has to say.

[klaasend]

DeVries should be on in about 30 min.  Wonder if Robert will see/hear anything new.

I thought DeVries came on at 11:30am my time.  That would be in 3 1/2 hours (I could be wrong)  

[oldfart]

Well I need to go write out bills  
and daughter just woke up so I can make some noise around here.

Have fun monkeys

SeeeYaaaByeeeeeeeee

[Buckeye]

DeVries should be on in about 30 min.  Wonder if Robert will see/hear anything new.

I thought DeVries came on at 11:30am my time.  That would be in 3 1/2 hours (I could be wrong)  

No, you're right.  ? 8:30 pm Holland time?

[klaasend]

DeVries should be on in about 30 min.  Wonder if Robert will see/hear anything new.

I thought DeVries came on at 11:30am my time.  That would be in 3 1/2 hours (I could be wrong)  

No, you're right.  ? 8:30 pm Holland time?

20:30 Holland time so that's 8:30pm right?

[Buckeye]

DeVries should be on in about 30 min.  Wonder if Robert will see/hear anything new.

I thought DeVries came on at 11:30am my time.  That would be in 3 1/2 hours (I could be wrong)  

No, you're right.  ? 8:30 pm Holland time?

20:30 Holland time so that's 8:30pm right?

yep

[Easywriter]

I didn't realize that many of us have been doing "thought prints" for the past two years!

The falling down stuff has always stuck out in my mind and to me it indicated some type of trauma Natalee suffered that night/morning.

[2NJSons_Mom]

I didn't realize that many of us have been doing "thought prints" for the past two years!

The falling down stuff has always stuck out in my mind and to me it indicated some type of trauma Natalee suffered that night/morning.

Hodges also uses examples on his website with 'shark' references...eery coincidence?

[Buckeye]

I didn't realize that many of us have been doing "thought prints" for the past two years!

The falling down stuff has always stuck out in my mind and to me it indicated some type of trauma Natalee suffered that night/morning.

Right along with seeing the stars, that weren't out.

[Buckeye]

Klaas
Scrux changed Deepak's statement from Tuesday June 2 to Thursday June 2.  They certainly spend a lot of time around the Racquet Club.

[Easywriter]

I think there were some car wrecks in Aruba yesterday.  

24ora also covered the JFK terroism story, but they mention Aruba for some reason.

E terroristanan lo mester tin lazonan fuerte na Trinidad. Esaki ta hopi alarmante mirando cu Trinidad ta algun miya leeuw for di Aruba.

Being language impaired has become a pain in the butt over the past two years.  

[klaasend]

Klaas
Scrux changed Deepak's statement from Tuesday June 2 to Thursday June 2.  They certainly spend a lot of time around the Racquet Club.

Thanks, I corrected it in our Important Case Document area as well.

[Buckeye]

I think there were some car wrecks in Aruba yesterday.  

24ora also covered the JFK terroism story, but they mention Aruba for some reason.

E terroristanan lo mester tin lazonan fuerte na Trinidad. Esaki ta hopi alarmante mirando cu Trinidad ta algun miya leeuw for di Aruba.

Being language impaired has become a pain in the butt over the past two years.  

Don't you have a papiamentu workbook, in your collection??  

[Easywriter]

I didn't realize that many of us have been doing "thought prints" for the past two years!

The falling down stuff has always stuck out in my mind and to me it indicated some type of trauma Natalee suffered that night/morning.

Hodges also uses examples on his website with 'shark' references...eery coincidence?

What does he say about sharks.  That has always been so crazy and yet it has been around from the beginning.  Wants to go see sharks at 1:30 in the morning after dancing the night away with her classmates.  Only in Aruba would someone come up with that BS.

[klaasend]

I think there were some car wrecks in Aruba yesterday.  

24ora also covered the JFK terroism story, but they mention Aruba for some reason.

E terroristanan lo mester tin lazonan fuerte na Trinidad. Esaki ta hopi alarmante mirando cu Trinidad ta algun miya leeuw for di Aruba.

Being language impaired has become a pain in the butt over the past two years.  

I think what they are saying is Trinidad is not that far from Aruba maybe?

[Easywriter]

I think there were some car wrecks in Aruba yesterday.  

24ora also covered the JFK terroism story, but they mention Aruba for some reason.

E terroristanan lo mester tin lazonan fuerte na Trinidad. Esaki ta hopi alarmante mirando cu Trinidad ta algun miya leeuw for di Aruba.

Being language impaired has become a pain in the butt over the past two years.  

Don't you have a papiamentu workbook, in your collection??  

Yeah, but it is a pain in the arse to use. lol  The words can have multiple meanings and then the same word with another word added changes the meaning again.  I gave up trying to figure stuff out with that one.

[klaasend]

I think there were some car wrecks in Aruba yesterday.  

24ora also covered the JFK terroism story, but they mention Aruba for some reason.

E terroristanan lo mester tin lazonan fuerte na Trinidad. Esaki ta hopi alarmante mirando cu Trinidad ta algun miya leeuw for di Aruba.

Being language impaired has become a pain in the butt over the past two years.  

I think what they are saying is Trinidad is not that far from Aruba maybe?

[2NJSons_Mom]

I didn't realize that many of us have been doing "thought prints" for the past two years!

The falling down stuff has always stuck out in my mind and to me it indicated some type of trauma Natalee suffered that night/morning.

Hodges also uses examples on his website with 'shark' references...eery coincidence?

What does he say about sharks.  That has always been so crazy and yet it has been around from the beginning.  Wants to go see sharks at 1:30 in the morning after dancing the night away with her classmates.  Only in Aruba would someone come up with that BS.

What is a “Thoughtprint?”
A thoughtprint is unconscious communication hidden within verbal or written communication.

The unconscious mind is communicates constantly and typically hides its messages in verbal or written communication generated by the conscious mind. We don’t always say what we mean. These unconscious communications are what is called Thoughtprints.

To understand thoughtprints and discern what is really being said we must pay attention to the big idea, not necessarily the literal idea. Pay attention to the subject a person introduces. The subject may introduce it through denial: “There are no sharks on the island.” Or by linking it to someone else: “Beverly was talking about seeing the sharks.” The key idea in this case is “sharks.” By paying close attention to the big ideas we get a clear idea what subject matter is on the speakers mind.

Every idea introduced must be taken as an unconscious part of them: They are unconsciously talking about themselves. In the above case the key thoughtprint “sharks” could suggest that the speaker is confessing he is the shark.

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/thoughtprint.html

[Easywriter]

I think there were some car wrecks in Aruba yesterday.  

24ora also covered the JFK terroism story, but they mention Aruba for some reason.

E terroristanan lo mester tin lazonan fuerte na Trinidad. Esaki ta hopi alarmante mirando cu Trinidad ta algun miya leeuw for di Aruba.

Being language impaired has become a pain in the butt over the past two years.  

I think what they are saying is Trinidad is not that far from Aruba maybe?

That makes sense.  I thought maybe it said one of the terrorist planned to go to Aruba and vacation with like minds afterward.  Maybe go to CnC's and grab a beer....