Lively Case Discussion #633 6/2 - 6/3/2007

[Angiex911dsptchr]

There you go, Klaas!

I knew I had seen him before and that he was saying this same thing from the get go.

This is not something he just came up with at this late date.

He had the credentials or I would not give him so much credibility.
I do think HE believes HIS theory at least.

Not sure if I do but I think there is a little something to it and he has tried to refine what we all do all the time.  

He has TAKEN IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL as some one said they couldn't stand that phrase, lol.
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well said

 I never heard of him until recently    I hardly ever read RWV way back when.  SO this is all new to me..lol

[Elaine]

Does anyone know why the Worldjournier Natalee Timeline is down? I can't get to it.  TIA

[Shell]

While I try to be open to everyone's theories, what I've always come back to thinking is that something happened at the rocks, she died either there or in Deepak's car, and she was put in the ocean in the fish trap.

Dr. Hodges theory doesn't include anything to do with the rocks, but it does make sense to me.

I have always felt that something significant happend at Arashi Beach.  There is no other explanation for Deepak's urinating statementS hence the alibi for being there out of his vehicle.

Is "taking a pee" a sexual innuendo? My guess is yes, but not being a guy, i would not know.

[Tibrogargan]

Hi Elaine.
Dana does put on a great show with interesting guests, real music and a respectful style of interviewing.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

 Wonder whos call Dana wouldnt take?
  A troll maybe????

yup i dont take blocked id numbers usually a troll

Once again great show Dana!.........Hello Monkeys!

 Hi yah neighbor  

[Elaine]

 Wonder whos call Dana wouldnt take?
  A troll maybe????

yup i dont take blocked id numbers usually a troll

Or a telemarketer?    

Or Medley Relay wanting to know about the reward again...oh Gawd that woman drives me nutz!!

[Easywriter]

Good show Dana!

We don't all have to agree with a guest to enjoy the interview and maybe get some insight into how some people think.  I would like to hear an interview with a sane person that has a different opinion about this case.  Can't think of what sane person that would be though....

[Anna]

From RWV:

New Analysis Suggests Gang Rape And Drugging Involved In Holloway Disappearance

Dr. Andrew Hodges, a forensic psychiatrist, has begun to analyze some of what documented facts and statements are available in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway - that analysis suggests that both Deepak Kalpoe and Joran Van der Sloot may have been involved in a planned scheme which included the drugging and gang raping of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway. He is currently preparing a full report for the family of Natalee Holloway.

Thoughtprint decoding is reading between the lines for unconscious messages, called "thoughtprints,".

A recent breakthrough to the unconscious mind reveals it is strikingly honest and far brighter than the conscious mind and that criminals are strongly inclined toward unconscious confession.

To decode thoughtprints one must be attuned to a suspect's unconsciously patterned ideas and not his literal conscious statements. The conscious mind speaks literally ("left brain") about certain issues, the unconscious mind speaks symbolically ("right brain") about deeper issues facts via thoughtprints.

Thoughtprints: Joran indirectly warned the girls from Mountain Brook High School including Natalee Holloway around 9 pm at the Holiday Inn Casino-- "Don't go to Carlos and Charlies, it's no fun on Sunday night." This suggests an unconscious protective warning, knowing that he was up to something (a group rape as he suggests).

Natalee Drugged: Joran spontaneously reported that Natalee was on drugs at C and C suggesting she indeed was drugged there. Deepak's thoughtprints also suggest Natalee had been drugged - reporting that he had lied to police because missing girls "usually show up at a crack house (sic)."

Both suspects independently introduced drugs's suggesting they drugged her in addition to the alcohol she had consumed. There are rumors of bartenders cooperating in such a scenario.

Natalee Resisted a Group Rape: Joran and Deepak both referenced the idea of sex being refused ("Joran said he refused Natalee sex in the back seat at one point, Deepak prohibited Joran and Natalee from sexual contact telling them to go get a hotel room) and of Natalee refusing to be touched while on the ground when she fell.

All of this strongly suggests sexual activity and touch being refused and that she put up a fight while held down and that there was both verbal and physical resistance.

A particularly striking story of Natalee falling-- physically out of control on the ground and intoxicated linked with the moment of separation (death)-- suggests loss of control through drugs, rape and finally through death.

Additional analysis, some anticipated to be discussed this week on Court TV with more going directly to the family, is pending. In speaking with Dr. Hodges, it was at least suggested at this point that, based upon other reports, along with the drugging, such a crime may have included luring Natalee Holloway away from the front of Carlos and Charlie's on foot.

Dr. Hodges "Thought Print" work was involved to some extent in profiling the BTK serial killer. His credentials include being certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology. He is a former Assistant Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Alabama at Birmingham School of Medicine and received the Outstanding Clinician’s Award in 1995 from the International Society of Communicative Psychoanalysis & Psychotherapy. He is also a member of the American Psychiatric Association.

Developing ...

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Monday, August 15, 2005 at 03:24 AM in Natalee Holloway | Permalink

So this would indicate this was his impression about 2.5 months into the investigation and he has not changed on it.

I tend to think a container still on land and would not rule out the abandoned cesspool at the  Sloots or a crypt but I do not think Natalee is buried in the open in soil for example.

If deep water, I do hope there are remains at this late date.  Tim Miller once said it could cost $100K so I hope it is not going to be that expensive or they will spend all their money on this one search.  I hope they get donations to cover and replace some of the expense.

But this is the only way we will ever know.  I hope they also look in that area the remote viewer and somebody else suggested, two with same idea of looking near the refinery.

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[robots]

While I try to be open to everyone's theories, what I've always come back to thinking is that something happened at the rocks, she died either there or in Deepak's car, and she was put in the ocean in the fish trap.

Dr. Hodges theory doesn't include anything to do with the rocks, but it does make sense to me.

I have always felt that something significant happend at Arashi Beach.  There is no other explanation for Deepak's urinating statementS hence the alibi for being there out of his vehicle.

Is "taking a pee" a sexual innuendo? My guess is yes, but not being a guy, i would not know.

not in my book  

[Elaine]

 Wonder whos call Dana wouldnt take?
  A troll maybe????

yup i dont take blocked id numbers usually a troll

Once again great show Dana!.........Hello Monkeys!

 Hi yah neighbor  

Hi Angie! .... and Tibro over there in Australia  

[Tibrogargan]

Good show Dana!

We don't all have to agree with a guest to enjoy the interview and maybe get some insight into how some people think.  I would like to hear an interview with a sane person that has a different opinion about this case.  Can't think of what sane person that would be though....

The only persons with different opinions about this case would be the demented souls at FOB and RU

[Rob]

Anyone with a few thousand functioning brain cells all comes to the same conclusion.

It's JP2K and the Aruban Authorities. Now when the heck is someone gonna do something about it?

I'm more pissed off that no one is doing anything than anything else. What Gives?

Off With their HEADS!!!!

[Anna]

While I try to be open to everyone's theories, what I've always come back to thinking is that something happened at the rocks, she died either there or in Deepak's car, and she was put in the ocean in the fish trap.

Dr. Hodges theory doesn't include anything to do with the rocks, but it does make sense to me.

I have always felt that something significant happened at Arashi Beach.  There is no other explanation for Deepak's urinating statementS hence the alibi for being there out of his vehicle.

Is "taking a pee" a sexual innuendo? My guess is yes, but not being a guy, i would not know.

Nice to see you, Shell,

I do believe to the sexually immature, it does as does defecation.  In other words, children tend to associate the two things.

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[Angiex911dsptchr]

Anyone with a few thousand functioning brain cells all comes to the same conclusion.

It's JP2K and the Aruban Authorities. Now when the heck is someone gonna do something about it?

I'm more pissed off that no one is doing anything than anything else. What Gives?

Off With their HEADS!!!!

Upper and lowers..  where is Lorenna Bobbit when you need her?
 IMO the only hope there is.. is Tim Miller at this point and his search of the waters.   Thats just how I feel.. have the last week or so..

[Shell]

3 boys show up 30 minutes before closing time at a bar where a young lady takes a ride home with them and never shows up and is never seen again.

Papa is a judge

We are not stuck on stupid, nor are the powers that be in Aruba. They knew exactly what they were doing.

(Sorry, but when the thought of what happened to dear, sweet Natalee enters my mind, I tend to get enraged all over again)

[Easywriter]

Good show Dana!

We don't all have to agree with a guest to enjoy the interview and maybe get some insight into how some people think.  I would like to hear an interview with a sane person that has a different opinion about this case.  Can't think of what sane person that would be though....

The only persons with different opinions about this case would be the demented souls at FOB and RU

I can't even think of a credible person that could put forth a good argument on behalf of the trio.  Those people at FOB and RU are so nutty that nothing they say even makes sense.

This is a simple, obvious crime with a very complex clean-up and cover-up.

[truthseeker2]

Well, the interview was pretty good.  I still think they should be looking in the quarry in Moko  (container within a container) instead of the ocean.  This search was never completed and the location is close to Joran's house.  It's more secluded than a beach or boat launch.

I liked the way this guy thinks. Thanks, Dana, for having him on.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

While I try to be open to everyone's theories, what I've always come back to thinking is that something happened at the rocks, she died either there or in Deepak's car, and she was put in the ocean in the fish trap.

Dr. Hodges theory doesn't include anything to do with the rocks, but it does make sense to me.

I have always felt that something significant happened at Arashi Beach.  There is no other explanation for Deepak's urinating statementS hence the alibi for being there out of his vehicle.

Is "taking a pee" a sexual innuendo? My guess is yes, but not being a guy, i would not know.

Nice to see you, Shell,

I do believe to the sexually immature, it does as does defecation.  In other words, children tend to associate the two things.

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 I am  lost    So taking a pee and a crap.. to some.. they associate that with sex?  Call me dumb.. but I dont get it..  

[Dana]

Good show Dana!

We don't all have to agree with a guest to enjoy the interview and maybe get some insight into how some people think.  I would like to hear an interview with a sane person that has a different opinion about this case.  Can't think of what sane person that would be though....

The only persons with different opinions about this case would be the demented souls at FOB and RU

I can't even think of a credible person that could put forth a good argument on behalf of the trio.  Those people at FOB and RU are so nutty that nothing they say even makes sense.

This is a simple, obvious crime with a very complex clean-up and cover-up.

very very true

[Easywriter]

Anyone with a few thousand functioning brain cells all comes to the same conclusion.

It's JP2K and the Aruban Authorities. Now when the heck is someone gonna do something about it?

I'm more pissed off that no one is doing anything than anything else. What Gives?

Off With their HEADS!!!!

Upper and lowers..  where is Lorenna Bobbit when you need her?
 IMO the only hope there is.. is Tim Miller at this point and his search of the waters.   Thats just how I feel.. have the last week or so..

That would be the ultimate breakthrough for this case.  I'm just not very optimistic about this being solved without physical evidence.