Lively Case Discussion #633 6/2 - 6/3/2007

[Tibrogargan]

oops - Easy, the girl's name is Emma.  I have no idea where I got Christine from  

Do you think the story is on the up-and-up, or is it a ploy to boost ratings?

That is a good question.  It appears to be correct according to the news reports, but we all know what publicity hounds can do with a good story.  I just hope that if it is true the BB powers that be handle it with some sort of sensitivity.

[nonesuche]

Tib-

As much as i hate to write this, I have been to Aruba and I didn't experience some big happy place. I have places like Antigua and st John's that do seem very happy spots, and I also made my first trip to the Caribbean at age 16 with my family. I've been over a span of years about 15 different trips and my feeling about Aruba was how money-grabbing they were. I didn't feel we had top drawer hotel service, everyone had their hand out in your face (1998) and the shop keepers on the whole were just the same, either buy something or get out of my shop.

So I expect people like that to lie, or people who are rumored to run escort services to lie, or governors who willingly get in bed with Chavez to lie. Jossy now appears to be one of the few there who has a conscience and standards, so it must be a lonely pursuit trying to care for his homeland.

At this point nothing they do surprises me, except I am surprised that Jossy is there.

I understand what you are saying with their attitude to tourists.  We had the same treatment travelling in Indonesia.  Hands out everywhere, even little children chasing after you for money.  Market stall holders would rush out and physically drag you into their little huts to buy something.  When you said no they could not get you out of there fast enough.  Everything was money, money, money.  They kept telling us Australians were rich because we could afford a holiday.  As you would realise  we saved for quite a while for the holiday but I suppose our way of life must seem glamorous to them although it is everyday living to us.

Tib thank you for that response, I agree with all of what you said. I would never go back to Aruba for that very reason even before this happened.

[nonesuche]

oh Easy I meant to applaud you for that photo yesterday of the rat attorney       that was priceless, along with the bottle of pepto at his fingertips  

[Tibrogargan]

For Easy :

Monday Jun 4 22:48 AEST
'Inhumane' Big Brother won't budge on dead father

A decision by the makers of Big Brother to not tell a contestant her father has died has been widely condemned as inhumane, unethical, and psychologically damaging. (AAP)

By Hal Crawford
ninemsn

A decision by the makers of Big Brother to not tell a contestant her father has died has been condemned as inhumane, unethical and psychologically damaging.

Contestant Emma's father Raymond Cornell died last week and his funeral was held on Monday in Adelaide, but the 24-year-old is still unaware of his death.

"Will they break the news to her on air, for ratings?" World Vision chief Tim Costello said. "This is patent ethical irresponsibility . . . she's only got one father and she'll suffer guilt and possibly resentment for the rest of her life."

Producers of Big Brother have refused to move from their position, stating that "it was the wish of the family" that Mr Cornell's death be kept from Emma.

But ethicists say such a decision cannot be made for Emma, regardless of what her family or even her father wanted.

"Parents often want to protect children, but she's an adult and she can make up her own mind," media commentator and academic Eva Cox said. "She has to be told."

Rev Costello and Ms Cox called for the establishment of constraints on reality shows like Big Brother.

"Shows like this encourage the most prurient side of our natures," Ms Cox said "This is a serious question, and here we've crossed the line."

"It really is getting too much like the 'real' Big Brother," Rev Costello said. "The boundaries keep getting pushed back and we don't notice — like the frog in a pot of slowly heating water."

The fact that Emma had been estranged until recently from her father, who was sick with cancer before his daughter entered the Gold Coast Big Brother house, only made her ignorance more damaging.

"The funeral is the only rite of passage we have," Rev Costello said. "I don't think we can contract to do away with things like this."

Big Brother producers refused to comment in detail on the criticisms.

[Tylergal]

EASY:  Joran spent 180 days in jail due to his never-ending change of stories. The Kalpoes walked because they came up with one story and stuck with it until this day.

Where does the truth hide? Did the Kalpoes leave Joran alone with Natalee at some point? Why would they do that and then go back to get the guy a little later? Not that many young guys would be that accommodating. In fact, most would say to hell with you, walk home!
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I don't know about the 180 days spent in jail.  When was that?  I thought he was arrested the second week in June and got out last week in August, a total of about 80 days.

[Easywriter]

EASY:  Joran spent 180 days in jail due to his never-ending change of stories. The Kalpoes walked because they came up with one story and stuck with it until this day.

Where does the truth hide? Did the Kalpoes leave Joran alone with Natalee at some point? Why would they do that and then go back to get the guy a little later? Not that many young guys would be that accommodating. In fact, most would say to hell with you, walk home!
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I don't know about the 180 days spent in jail.  When was that?  I thought he was arrested the second week in June and got out last week in August, a total of about 80 days.

My bad!  180 stuck in my mind for some reason.  Probably related to some other happening.  Point was Joran spent a long time in jail and the Kalpoes were let go.

[Tylergal]

Easy, I think anything short of a manslaughter charge for him is too little and probably now too late.  I would like to see him do time in a real prison where his mommy and daddy were not visiting and his father's buddies calling the shots, possibly taking Joran out at night to visit his parents while they were living with him.  Ben King could have and probably did that.

[Tylergal]

Did they take Satish home to provide an alibi while Joran "stayed with the girl" to ensure nobody came along and Deepak was off to render help from Paulus and his underworld thugs.

[Easywriter]

Did they take Satish home to provide an alibi while Joran "stayed with the girl" to ensure nobody came along and Deepak was off to render help from Paulus and his underworld thugs.

That makes sense.  Joran stays at the beach with Natalee and the brothers go to get help, tools, or others to help.  Where did the "came back with two dawgs" story come from?