Lively Case Discussion #634 6/4 - 6/5/2007

[klaasend]

Shango + Simaon = 2 crocks of shit

I disagree about Simian.  In the beginning he was not a crock of shit.  It wasn't until July of 2005 that some of Simian's posts turned into shit, IMO.

Back to work for me

name one thing they have done to help further the case, I cant think of anything

I'm not saying Simian furthered the case.  What I'm saying is that Simians posts in June 2005 appear to be true based upon the PV's we now see.  So Simian was telling the truth in June 2005.

[bleachedblack]

Old Fart, I think the Simian/Shango stuff does read differently if you understand the motives and people behind the postings.  I believe Shango was a large part of the disinformation campaign created to distract and confuse the internet bloggers and readers who were following the case.   Many people believed he had inside information on the case, and he probably did, but I think his motives were the key to how you read his postings.

I have to respectfully disagree. While some of the info may not have panned out-gaps in the timeline, searches, events were sometimes first given as clues by Shango/Simian. I also don't believe either were paid for false information. Tito I might suspect, among others.

[bleachedblack]

Shango + Simaon = 2 crocks of shit

I disagree about Simian.  In the beginning he was not a crock of shit.  It wasn't until July of 2005 that some of Simian's posts turned into shit, IMO.

Back to work for me

name one thing they have done to help further the case, I cant think of anything

I'm not saying Simian furthered the case.  What I'm saying is that Simians posts in June 2005 appear to be true based upon the PV's we now see.  So Simian was telling the truth in June 2005.

Exactly

[blah]

Shango + Simaon = 2 crocks of shit

I disagree about Simian.  In the beginning he was not a crock of shit.  It wasn't until July of 2005 that some of Simian's posts turned into shit, IMO.

Back to work for me

name one thing they have done to help further the case, I cant think of anything

I'm not saying Simian furthered the case.  What I'm saying is that Simians posts in June 2005 appear to be true based upon the PV's we now see.  So Simian was telling the truth in June 2005.

So basically, your saying Simian could be anyone on the island who could see or hear what was going on but doesnt necessarily know anything that the rest of us dont know?

[bleachedblack]

Do S&S ever say WTH happened to Natalee and what they did with the body?

Yes

[blah]

Old Fart, I think the Simian/Shango stuff does read differently if you understand the motives and people behind the postings.  I believe Shango was a large part of the disinformation campaign created to distract and confuse the internet bloggers and readers who were following the case.   Many people believed he had inside information on the case, and he probably did, but I think his motives were the key to how you read his postings.

I have to respectfully disagree. While some of the info may not have panned out-gaps in the timeline, searches, events were sometimes first given as clues by Shango/Simian. I also don't believe either were paid for false information. Tito I might suspect, among others.

I dont think they wee getting paid for anything, I think they were just nutjobs on drugs typing crap to mess with us

[Easywriter]

Do S&S ever say WTH happened to Natalee and what they did with the body?

Yes

Give me the brief version.

[klaasend]

Shango + Simaon = 2 crocks of shit

I disagree about Simian.  In the beginning he was not a crock of shit.  It wasn't until July of 2005 that some of Simian's posts turned into shit, IMO.

Back to work for me

name one thing they have done to help further the case, I cant think of anything

I'm not saying Simian furthered the case.  What I'm saying is that Simians posts in June 2005 appear to be true based upon the PV's we now see.  So Simian was telling the truth in June 2005.

So basically, your saying Simian could be anyone on the island who could see or hear what was going on but doesnt necessarily know anything that the rest of us dont know?

NO - have you looked at Simians posts in late June 2005 and compared them to the PV's taken at that time?  Several of Simian's posts match up almost identical to the subject in the PV's.  I believe Simian was a member of ALE and he was telling us what was going on, until he was told to STOP.

[Anna]

Shango + Simaon = 2 crocks of shit

I disagree about Simian.  In the beginning he was not a crock of shit.  It wasn't until July of 2005 that some of Simian's posts turned into shit, IMO.

Back to work for me

name one thing they have done to help further the case, I cant think of anything

I'm not saying Simian furthered the case.  What I'm saying is that Simians posts in June 2005 appear to be true based upon the PV's we now see.  So Simian was telling the truth in June 2005.

So basically, your saying Simian could be anyone on the island who could see or hear what was going on but doesn't necessarily know anything that the rest of us don't know?

And only told us things that we were going to find out anyway?  


 I think that is all wrong about the boyfriend earlier in the week because they were on the island only 83 hours including sleeping time when Natalee disappeared and that is lame attempt is  cast blame on someone other than J2K.  There was no boyfriend earlier in the week and they did not spend that much time in the casino as there was not much time open to do so.

So what am I missing here?  Why should we believe him when this lie is very glaring and obvious?  

Was this a deliberate attempt to distract?  Must have been because how could he get it so wrong accidentally?

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[Buckeye]

lila, Sidallee, Ree

No mistake.  Renfro got caught giving the misinformation.  The inspection was at 7am and this is Julia/Glenda's report at 12:44.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nKeZljVeFU

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[Grande]

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
The music man’s song was not on the bill.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
The last hope rests on the shoulders of the cowboys. Ten days, two down, eight to go.The elder knows the passages in the palace too well. The Babylonians are afraid they might not be able to stop him.
Don’t shake the wire, ‘cause the bird will fy away.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

This is the first exchange between Shango and Simian.  They clearly know who each other are at this point.  In some ways Simian is egging Shango on with the riddles, even attempting to speak his language eventually.

What occured on June 24th ?   Sorry if this is common knowledge?

Nothing significant as far as I could tell.  The 26th was a court appearance for JP2k + Steve Croes.  Paulus and Steve were both released that day.  May be a reference to this, imo.

[klaasend]

lila, Sidallee, Ree

No mistake.  Renfro got caught giving the misinformation.  The inspection was at 7am and this is Julia/Glenda's report at 12:44.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nKeZljVeFU

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Yup - it was no misunderstanding  

[Dayhiker]

Boy, took forever to get here.

sharon (and maybe Klaas): Link to Voice Print analysis.  We might have it here but if not, maybe Klaas can sticky it.

http://truth4natalee.s3.bizhat.com/truth4natalee-ftopic252.html

LA Times and Renfro :

She's from LA??  Thought she was married to a guy names Drysdale, in FL and skipped town to continue her Windsurfing (and other interests   ) in Aruba.  There used to be postings from a surfing blog related to this (and other items).  Does she have a link to LA??

She didn't lose interest in September because of Dr. Phil.  She was called out in June of 2005 for inventing misinformation and has continued to post, erroneous and vile information, under the nic of Glenda (mistaking the name of the good witch in the Wizard of Oz...to insult Natalee and her memory).  

And by the way, there was another person, in the room, that also heard Deepak...so there is more than just a tape   .

I've put it in the Important Case Document area:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1187

Report Conclusions:

LVA data outputs and analysis indicate Joran Van der Sloot is deceptive and inaccurate in his account of the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

LVA data outputs and analysis indicates Joran Van der Sloot is deceptive and inaccurate in his account of the role he played in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

 Joran indicates PROBABLE FALSE / DECEPTION INDICATED and INACCURACY / HIGHLY SUSPECT for DECEPTION data outputs on the relevant questions about ‘harming’ and ‘seeing Natalee in distress’ respectively. These responses are not consistent with truthful and accurate responses and deserve the greatest scrutiny.

Joran Van der Sloot should be considered a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

[bleachedblack]

Do S&S ever say WTH happened to Natalee and what they did with the body?

Yes

Give me the brief version.

The 3 perps never took Natalee to the beach.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:06 pm
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:32 pm
THE DRAX SCORES
drax Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:30 pm
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles=
they weren’t on the beach?

[Anna]

Do S&S ever say WTH happened to Natalee and what they did with the body?

Yes

What and Where?  I must have missed that part.

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[blah]

NO - have you looked at Simians posts in late June 2005 and compared them to the PV's taken at that time?  Several of Simian's posts match up almost identical to the subject in the PV's.  I believe Simian was a member of ALE and he was telling us what was going on, until he was told to STOP.

I am trying to look at this with an open mind but I just aint convinced yet.

What did this guy/girl have to gain by giving somewhat cryptic clues to some internet bloggers?  What could the bloggers do with any clues he was giving?

If he had some real inside info that could help the case but was afraid of the rest of the ALE, why wouldnt he go to the family, the FBI, the Dutch, Interpol, MSM, a lawyer, someone with power?  The MSM and family had detectives an searchers all over that island, why wouldnt he go to one of them?  Why type out cryptic seemingly nonesense on the internet if he wanted to be taken seriously?

[Tylergal]

lila, Sidallee, Ree

No mistake.  Renfro got caught giving the misinformation.  The inspection was at 7am and this is Julia/Glenda's report at 12:44.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nKeZljVeFU

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Buckeye, I could kiss your feet.

[Easywriter]

Do S&S ever say WTH happened to Natalee and what they did with the body?

Yes

Give me the brief version.

The 3 perps never took Natalee to the beach.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:06 pm
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:32 pm
THE DRAX SCORES
drax Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:30 pm
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles=
they weren’t on the beach?

That could mean they didn't bury her in the sand.  But it doesn't tell me what happened to her and what they did next.

[oldfart]

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
The music man’s song was not on the bill.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
The last hope rests on the shoulders of the cowboys. Ten days, two down, eight to go.The elder knows the passages in the palace too well. The Babylonians are afraid they might not be able to stop him.
Don’t shake the wire, ‘cause the bird will fy away.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

This is the first exchange between Shango and Simian.  They clearly know who each other are at this point.  In some ways Simian is egging Shango on with the riddles, even attempting to speak his language eventually.

What occured on June 24th ?   Sorry if this is common knowledge?

Nothing significant as far as I could tell.  The 26th was a court appearance for JP2k + Steve Croes.  Paulus and Steve were both released that day.  May be a reference to this, imo.

Grande
Thanks... I was wondering what the 10 days ment.. which would have started (two down) been the 23rd or 24th ??

[Grande]

It is also important to note that both Eleye and Colombo were keen to the idea that Simian was involved with ALE.  I know this from personal correspondence with Eleye.  He was saying this from the get go.

lala's --  somewhere in Simian's posts(early ones I think) he admits that he has an 'inside' with the ALE.

(He also says he is South American -- and a graduate of 'collegiate arubano'.)

I guess we're finding out that it was HIM that was inside the ALE

I have to do the 'dinner' thing. I'll try to find the posts later.  I'm curious about the dates of those posts.

Okay, here goes another sticky point...hang in there everyone.

Sharon, you are speaking of the part where many thought the Siman in question was actually Arubagirl.  Now, don't anyone get bent out of shape here...we should be able to discuss all aspects.  Many and I do mean many people have sent me tons upon tons of info regarding this little tidbit here.  Let me just say this...if this could be at all possible just exactly how old would Simian be then?  Yes, I have this info and would gladly share it, if it I get the okay to do so.  Everything was public knowledge, yet I really like AG and do not wish to cause her any harm in any way.  So I will see how it goes and if I get the okay, I will show you guys.  I am not trying to be secretive in any way, I too have been on the receiving end of hard drive crashes and threats since I started posting my thoughts on this forum.  I do not wish this upon AG for any reason.

Diandra was one of the original Simian's doppleganger's (Someone posting as Simian on the FP, clearly different tone and rhetoric) IMO.