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« Reply #460 on: June 04, 2007, 08:20:05 PM »

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PROCES VERBAAL

I woke up at that Monday morning at approximately 05.45 hours. In
the hours between I had gone to sleep and I did not hear Joran
leaving or hear him return home. 05.45 hours is the normal time for
the alarm to go off and I wake up[/b]. The children I wake up at
approximately 06.00 hours. I awakened Valentijn, Sebastian and Joran.
To your question whether it was difficult to wake up Joran on that
Monday morning, I can state the following. It is always difficult
to wake up Joran..."

AND THEN 35 minutes later this was posted on the SM FP

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:05 pm (15:05)
"If you were asleep who answered your phone?"

Then on June 24th this post…

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:54 pm "...Based on my
knowledge they will be confronted. A set up for the behaviour
specialists?"  


This happens to be just prior to the June 24th Police car confrontation that
resulted in the transcript we have all seen.


so now Simian and Paulus are using the Scared Monkeys Front Page to help Paulus get the stories together and warn Paulus that the punks will be played against each other in the police car?

Or was he expecting at some point for the PV's to get leaked and some really bright monkey to go back and link these things together?

I dont know, the stuff you posted above looks interesting in that he/she could possible be seeing or hearing some of whats going on inside the investigation but when you put it together with all of the other nonsense he posted - I just dont know.

I have never seen Simian tell us what exactly happened and if he ever did know what, it would have been more beneficial for him to work with the FBI, the family, the Dutch, a lawyer, MSM, a private detective, TES, Dr Phil, anyone with POWER.  If he wanted to expose anything, why do it in little messages that really dont make much sense at the time on the front page of some blog?


Ask yourself this... IF today were June 23rd 2005, and you read Simian's post stating "IF YOU WERE ASLEEP WHO ANSWERED YOUR PHONE?", what would you think?   Probably something similar to what we had all previously wondered... What the hell is this supposed to mean and who is he referring too????  What I am insinuating is that SIMIAN was in fact CLYDE BURKE who had interrogated PVDS that SAME day.  

Don't forget, we did NOT have access to those statements given by PVDS, only TWO people DID, I suppose there could have been others.  BUT, there are other facts that have lead Klaas and I both to the same conclusion I have essentially laid out.  It in no way reflects my opinion of the Simian posts in general, same goes for the Shango posts, which I have said multiple times were likely an attempt to persuade those with a similar mental capacity as that of Jan Brennan's.
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« Reply #461 on: June 04, 2007, 08:21:26 PM »

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I thought there were interesting little tid-bits to Marian Ernest in the phone calls or text messages being heard at Bill's House, the bifrons were summoned, etc.  I did clean my computer and dispose of all that at one point but I thought although Mirian Ernest or whatever it was, was interesting to watch/listen to, as the mood reflected how Aruba felt toward the investigation.  The bird on the wire, the bird has flown.  The interest at that point seemed to be one to irritate Americans and hold over their heads that Arubans had something we Americans wanted and could not have.  It was a one-upsman game.  We can outdo you.  Regardless, you will not get your way in this one.  I think that message was clearly conveyed by Anita and Paulus to Arubans, that they must side with them, not the ugly Americans and thus the Hitler and slave comments were absolutely necessary to the Jews and Surinamese on the island to keep that control over them.  So the comments were just to reinforce the sway Anita & Paulus would maintain over the subordinate races and ethnicities.  It shows how easily people are colonized.


The comments about Hitler and slaves were to play to the stereotypical attitudes harboring geographical bias toward a southern US state.  That goes a long way with liberals who run rampant in Aruba.
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« Reply #462 on: June 04, 2007, 08:21:57 PM »

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Simian tells us the reason for the posting.  No one said he posted what happened to Natalee and where she is now.  Simian does give us insight into the investigation.  Surely no one believes all of the information can be found in the few documents we have seen.

Simian Says: June 30th, 2005 at 3:20 pm
The Simian thinks ydave is way off. The Simian is a relayer. The Simian belongs to an Aruban society much like “Skull & Bones”.

The Simian just wants that everybody knows what is not said in the American Media.


Two different people did tonight about two-three pages back.
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« Reply #463 on: June 04, 2007, 08:22:11 PM »

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Simian tells us the reason for the posting.  No one said he posted what happened to Natalee and where she is now.  Simian does give us insight into the investigation.  Surely no one believes all of the information can be found in the few documents we have seen.

Simian Says: June 30th, 2005 at 3:20 pm
The Simian thinks ydave is way off. The Simian is a relayer. The Simian belongs to an Aruban society much like “Skull & Bones”.

The Simian just wants that everybody knows what is not said in the American Media.


See, when someone named Simian starts posting things like "The Simian this" and "The Simian that", I just have a REALLY hard time giving any credibility to them.
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« Reply #464 on: June 04, 2007, 08:25:14 PM »

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Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I suppose you could say neither said the exact location, just hints.  For instance...

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:31 pm
Mary never heard the buoy toll
ask the men who play dice and “roll”


We have been all over this passage many times...I still assert it references the possibility of her being in the water.  I know, I know. JMO. Rolling Eyes


Interesting...I have always interpreted this to mean she was not in the ocean...where the buoy would toll.  Like...not building sandcastles.


My thought was that she was unable to hear when the buoy tolled.  I think the buoy tolled at the light house.  The light house area offered direction to boats in the night.  They were accustomed to things not on the up-and-up, sotaspeak happening at that location, JMHO, and when Natalee was disposed of if by boat, she was taken to the light house, but she was already dead when she arrived.


It could also mean she was taken out into deep water far beyond the tolling buoys that mark the diving spots around the island, etc.

Most of these lines are like a Chinese fortune cookie.  They could mean something different to every person that reads them.
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« Reply #465 on: June 04, 2007, 08:26:08 PM »

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Simian tells us the reason for the posting.  No one said he posted what happened to Natalee and where she is now.  Simian does give us insight into the investigation.  Surely no one believes all of the information can be found in the few documents we have seen.

Simian Says: June 30th, 2005 at 3:20 pm
The Simian thinks ydave is way off. The Simian is a relayer. The Simian belongs to an Aruban society much like “Skull & Bones”.

The Simian just wants that everybody knows what is not said in the American Media.


See, when someone named Simian starts posting things like "The Simian this" and "The Simian that", I just have a REALLY hard time giving any credibility to them.


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« Reply #466 on: June 04, 2007, 08:29:17 PM »

Evening Monkeys

Tyler:

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject: The whisperer knows...
A new line has been set. The clock re-arranged. Ha! Antennas that talk about what they saw. They know he went back, but what did he do?


Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject: They call him bifrons...
Find Aruba. Find the Haystack. Find Santa Marta. Trace with your finger what the Antenna has spoken about.

Unleash the dogs. Inch by inch...grid by grid.
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« Reply #467 on: June 04, 2007, 08:29:24 PM »

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Quote from: "Grande"

PROCES VERBAAL

I woke up at that Monday morning at approximately 05.45 hours. In
the hours between I had gone to sleep and I did not hear Joran
leaving or hear him return home. 05.45 hours is the normal time for
the alarm to go off and I wake up[/b]. The children I wake up at
approximately 06.00 hours. I awakened Valentijn, Sebastian and Joran.
To your question whether it was difficult to wake up Joran on that
Monday morning, I can state the following. It is always difficult
to wake up Joran..."

AND THEN 35 minutes later this was posted on the SM FP

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:05 pm (15:05)
"If you were asleep who answered your phone?"

Then on June 24th this post…

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:54 pm "...Based on my
knowledge they will be confronted. A set up for the behaviour
specialists?"  


This happens to be just prior to the June 24th Police car confrontation that
resulted in the transcript we have all seen.


so now Simian and Paulus are using the Scared Monkeys Front Page to help Paulus get the stories together and warn Paulus that the punks will be played against each other in the police car?

Or was he expecting at some point for the PV's to get leaked and some really bright monkey to go back and link these things together?

I dont know, the stuff you posted above looks interesting in that he/she could possible be seeing or hearing some of whats going on inside the investigation but when you put it together with all of the other nonsense he posted - I just dont know.

I have never seen Simian tell us what exactly happened and if he ever did know what, it would have been more beneficial for him to work with the FBI, the family, the Dutch, a lawyer, MSM, a private detective, TES, Dr Phil, anyone with POWER.  If he wanted to expose anything, why do it in little messages that really dont make much sense at the time on the front page of some blog?


Ask yourself this... IF today were June 23rd 2005, and you read Simian's post stating "IF YOU WERE ASLEEP WHO ANSWERED YOUR PHONE?", what would you think?   Probably something similar to what we had all previously wondered... What the hell is this supposed to mean and who is he referring too????  What I am insinuating is that SIMIAN was in fact CLYDE BURKE who had interrogated PVDS that SAME day.  

Don't forget, we did NOT have access to those statements given by PVDS, only TWO people DID, I suppose there could have been others.  BUT, there are other facts that have lead Klaas and I both to the same conclusion I have essentially laid out.  It in no way reflects my opinion of the Simian posts in general, same goes for the Shango posts, which I have said multiple times were likely an attempt to persuade those with a similar mental capacity as that of Jan Brennan's.


ok, i'm following you but WHY did "The Simian" post that on the front page of Scared Monkeys?  He had to know it wouldnt make sense to anyone except Paulus at the time he posted it, if it really is in regards to Paulus' PV.

Did The Simian know/hope someone would one day go back and link it to the PV?

Did he know Paulus was reading here and he just wanted to let Paulus know that he was on to him, make him sweat a little?

Did he know Paulus was reading here and was giving him clues as to what parts of the stories needed to be fixed?

The question posted as it is would lead one to believe he was speaking directly to Paulus with the knowledge that Paulus would see it here. (if in fact it really is related to his PV)
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« Reply #468 on: June 04, 2007, 08:29:31 PM »

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Simian tells us the reason for the posting.  No one said he posted what happened to Natalee and where she is now.  Simian does give us insight into the investigation.  Surely no one believes all of the information can be found in the few documents we have seen.

Simian Says: June 30th, 2005 at 3:20 pm
The Simian thinks ydave is way off. The Simian is a relayer. The Simian belongs to an Aruban society much like “Skull & Bones”.

The Simian just wants that everybody knows what is not said in the American Media.


Please go back and read the answer to both Easy and my question for two people did exactly that, Truthseeker, said S&S tell what happened and where Natalee is now.

No, they don't as far as I can see nor much of anything else of value.  
But as I said, I am just too dense to get the importance without speculating wildly so will stick to things I better understand and leave S&S to those who do see it as important.

Even if Simian told the truth about what happened for that short time period I seriously doubt PVDS and his buds would allow just any ALE member to know anything incriminating on any of them.  And live, haha.

Feeding time, will leave the discussion and return later when maybe more simple things are being discussed like the elemental weight of tungsten or something.   Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy
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« Reply #469 on: June 04, 2007, 08:29:55 PM »

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For what it's worth.  I happen to believe Simian was ALE and was telling us true happenings in Aruba in June 2005.  I don't know about Shango.

I don't care if nobody agrees with me, they don't have to.

But but I always agree with you Very Happy
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« Reply #470 on: June 04, 2007, 08:29:59 PM »

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Simian tells us the reason for the posting.  No one said he posted what happened to Natalee and where she is now.  Simian does give us insight into the investigation.  Surely no one believes all of the information can be found in the few documents we have seen.

Simian Says: June 30th, 2005 at 3:20 pm
The Simian thinks ydave is way off. The Simian is a relayer. The Simian belongs to an Aruban society much like “Skull & Bones”.

The Simian just wants that everybody knows what is not said in the American Media.


See, when someone named Simian starts posting things like "The Simian this" and "The Simian that", I just have a REALLY hard time giving any credibility to them.


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I think what is annoying is him/her always referring to themselves in the "3rd Person".
I know that always annoys me! Cool
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« Reply #471 on: June 04, 2007, 08:30:37 PM »

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Simian tells us the reason for the posting.  No one said he posted what happened to Natalee and where she is now.  Simian does give us insight into the investigation.  Surely no one believes all of the information can be found in the few documents we have seen.

Simian Says: June 30th, 2005 at 3:20 pm
The Simian thinks ydave is way off. The Simian is a relayer. The Simian belongs to an Aruban society much like “Skull & Bones”.

The Simian just wants that everybody knows what is not said in the American Media.


See, when someone named Simian starts posting things like "The Simian this" and "The Simian that", I just have a REALLY hard time giving any credibility to them.


i dont beleive any of it.. because i think that if someone wanted to state IMPORTANT info and do it anonymously there are a zillion ways to do it

course, i like listening to the stories and the translations

i just dont beleive the SIMIAN CREATURES were real

im not trying to start a fight either...its jsut my robotic opinion
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« Reply #472 on: June 04, 2007, 08:31:18 PM »

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Quote from: "truthseeker2"
Simian tells us the reason for the posting.  No one said he posted what happened to Natalee and where she is now.  Simian does give us insight into the investigation.  Surely no one believes all of the information can be found in the few documents we have seen.

Simian Says: June 30th, 2005 at 3:20 pm
The Simian thinks ydave is way off. The Simian is a relayer. The Simian belongs to an Aruban society much like “Skull & Bones”.

The Simian just wants that everybody knows what is not said in the American Media.


See, when someone named Simian starts posting things like "The Simian this" and "The Simian that", I just have a REALLY hard time giving any credibility to them.


Blah  
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no, thats not the point.
Its when he goes all off talking in the 3rd person or whatever you call it when he starts with "The Simian...."
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« Reply #473 on: June 04, 2007, 08:32:32 PM »

I still don’t understand the implication of answering the telephone.  Does it mean no one should have been at the house to answer the phone, or that everyone in the house sleeps so soundly they never wake to answer a telephone?  

When the phone rings at my house at 2:00 in the morning I almost jump out of my skin and it doesn’t matter how deeply asleep I might be.
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« Reply #474 on: June 04, 2007, 08:32:57 PM »

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I told everyone that Simian and Shango discussions were not for the faint of heart.  I have been down this road many, many times.  It's probably more sensitive than discussing those videos that drive me crazy.  Carpe knows this all too well.  I will say this...I have never thought Simian was Albert Vrojlik.  Rob knows this, because I have told him so on many an occasion.  He was kind enough to let me rant and go on without being confrontational to me.  Simian was clearly on the ALE inside.  

Grande
Would you be so kind as to distinguish between the real Simian and the dopplegangers?  Just the dates would suffice for me.  TIA


First post June 17th...

First post with seemingly inside info;  June 23rd...

Last 'post of value'; appx. June 28th.  For some reason I have June 28th @ 2:53am as the last 'post of value'.


I know there are those that wish to ask....how have you determined what is and is not of value?


Arbitrarily.  Mostly based on the content and also based on my discussions with Klaas regarding the IP addy's, email addy's, tone of content, reviewing the timeline as it relates to the posts, creating a sortable database with detailed records and time stamps, and concluding what I feel that "If you were sleeping, who answered your phone?" statement is a reference too.  

That statement alone if in fact is from Clyde Burke, says ALOT if you ask me.  It essentially questions his sleeping alibi for all to see.  At the time it seemed like an insignificant inquiry.  Knowing what we know now, it seems likely one of the most significant... DID PAULUS PICK UP JORAN @ 4AM???  WAS HE REALLY SLEEPING FROM 11 - 5:45?
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« Reply #475 on: June 04, 2007, 08:34:30 PM »

I agree it's annoying but I also think the ego of some would get a high from watching us grab each of their FP posts and dissect it on the lively, to the degree they would begin to refer to themselves in third person as an icon.

Anna and Blah, I do think this is an important process to move through at this point in time for some. At this juncture what can it hurt? I beg for your patience  Wink

As for Paulus needing to read, i really think the renfro pipeline made that unnecessary, I imagine she was updating them daily regarding Beth and Dave's every move as well as the internet.
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« Reply #476 on: June 04, 2007, 08:35:51 PM »

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I still don’t understand the implication of answering the telephone.  Does it mean no one should have been at the house to answer the phone, or that everyone in the house sleeps so soundly they never wake to answer a telephone?  

When the phone rings at my house at 2:00 in the morning I almost jump out of my skin and it doesn’t matter how deeply asleep I might be.


me too Easy and I am a very heavy sleeper... they must wear muffs  Laughing
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« Reply #477 on: June 04, 2007, 08:36:24 PM »

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Quote from: "Grande"
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "Grande"

PROCES VERBAAL

I woke up at that Monday morning at approximately 05.45 hours. In
the hours between I had gone to sleep and I did not hear Joran
leaving or hear him return home. 05.45 hours is the normal time for
the alarm to go off and I wake up[/b]. The children I wake up at
approximately 06.00 hours. I awakened Valentijn, Sebastian and Joran.
To your question whether it was difficult to wake up Joran on that
Monday morning, I can state the following. It is always difficult
to wake up Joran..."

AND THEN 35 minutes later this was posted on the SM FP

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:05 pm (15:05)
"If you were asleep who answered your phone?"

Then on June 24th this post…

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:54 pm "...Based on my
knowledge they will be confronted. A set up for the behaviour
specialists?"  


This happens to be just prior to the June 24th Police car confrontation that
resulted in the transcript we have all seen.


so now Simian and Paulus are using the Scared Monkeys Front Page to help Paulus get the stories together and warn Paulus that the punks will be played against each other in the police car?

Or was he expecting at some point for the PV's to get leaked and some really bright monkey to go back and link these things together?

I dont know, the stuff you posted above looks interesting in that he/she could possible be seeing or hearing some of whats going on inside the investigation but when you put it together with all of the other nonsense he posted - I just dont know.

I have never seen Simian tell us what exactly happened and if he ever did know what, it would have been more beneficial for him to work with the FBI, the family, the Dutch, a lawyer, MSM, a private detective, TES, Dr Phil, anyone with POWER.  If he wanted to expose anything, why do it in little messages that really dont make much sense at the time on the front page of some blog?


Ask yourself this... IF today were June 23rd 2005, and you read Simian's post stating "IF YOU WERE ASLEEP WHO ANSWERED YOUR PHONE?", what would you think?   Probably something similar to what we had all previously wondered... What the hell is this supposed to mean and who is he referring too????  What I am insinuating is that SIMIAN was in fact CLYDE BURKE who had interrogated PVDS that SAME day.  

Don't forget, we did NOT have access to those statements given by PVDS, only TWO people DID, I suppose there could have been others.  BUT, there are other facts that have lead Klaas and I both to the same conclusion I have essentially laid out.  It in no way reflects my opinion of the Simian posts in general, same goes for the Shango posts, which I have said multiple times were likely an attempt to persuade those with a similar mental capacity as that of Jan Brennan's.


ok, i'm following you but WHY did "The Simian" post that on the front page of Scared Monkeys?  He had to know it wouldnt make sense to anyone except Paulus at the time he posted it, if it really is in regards to Paulus' PV.

Did The Simian know/hope someone would one day go back and link it to the PV?

Did he know Paulus was reading here and he just wanted to let Paulus know that he was on to him, make him sweat a little?

Did he know Paulus was reading here and was giving him clues as to what parts of the stories needed to be fixed?

The question posted as it is would lead one to believe he was speaking directly to Paulus with the knowledge that Paulus would see it here. (if in fact it really is related to his PV)


I read it as sarcasm.  If you were sleeping why in the hell did you answer your phone @ 4am ??????
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« Reply #478 on: June 04, 2007, 08:36:38 PM »

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I thought there were interesting little tid-bits to Marian Ernest in the phone calls or text messages being heard at Bill's House, the bifrons were summoned, etc.  I did clean my computer and dispose of all that at one point but I thought although Mirian Ernest or whatever it was, was interesting to watch/listen to, as the mood reflected how Aruba felt toward the investigation.  The bird on the wire, the bird has flown.  The interest at that point seemed to be one to irritate Americans and hold over their heads that Arubans had something we Americans wanted and could not have.  It was a one-upsman game.  We can outdo you.  Regardless, you will not get your way in this one.  I think that message was clearly conveyed by Anita and Paulus to Arubans, that they must side with them, not the ugly Americans and thus the Hitler and slave comments were absolutely necessary to the Jews and Surinamese on the island to keep that control over them.  So the comments were just to reinforce the sway Anita & Paulus would maintain over the subordinate races and ethnicities.  It shows how easily people are colonized.


The comments about Hitler and slaves were to play to the stereotypical attitudes harboring geographical bias toward a southern US state.  That goes a long way with liberals who run rampant in Aruba.


But read my signature line.  Who was better at colonizing than progressives like Anita & Paulus,  who "felt the people's pain" and gave them succor during their times of need.  They believe what Big Brother tells them.
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« Reply #479 on: June 04, 2007, 08:36:41 PM »

You guys have got me going on this Simian stuff tonight..

Is there a way to determine the IP address of a Web site?

It appears the Simian may have been part of ALE based upon posting date & times / content and now known  interview (PV) dates and times.
But what occurred to me is the sometime SMALL  amount of time between them.  I mean were they posting from the police station? Which they might have been  BUT....
Does / did Simian have the final asnwer   OR ... just getting info out that made them mad too.
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