Lively Case Discussion #634 6/4 - 6/5/2007

[truthseeker2]

Simian tells us the reason for the posting.  No one said he posted what happened to Natalee and where she is now.  Simian does give us insight into the investigation.  Surely no one believes all of the information can be found in the few documents we have seen.

Simian Says: June 30th, 2005 at 3:20 pm
The Simian thinks ydave is way off. The Simian is a relayer. The Simian belongs to an Aruban society much like “Skull & Bones”.

The Simian just wants that everybody knows what is not said in the American Media.

Please go back and read the answer to both Easy and my question for two people did exactly that, Truthseeker, said S&S tell what happened and where Natalee is now.

No, they don't as far as I can see nor much of anything else of value.  
But as I said, I am just too dense to get the importance without speculating wildly so will stick to things I better understand and leave S&S to those who do see it as important.

Even if Simian told the truth about what happened for that short time period I seriously doubt PVDS and his buds would allow just any ALE member to know anything incriminating on any of them.  And live, haha.

Feeding time, will leave the discussion and return later when maybe more simple things are being discussed like the elemental weight of tungsten or something.      

Not a problem Anna.  You need to have your opinion about things and I can respect that.

[klaasend]

You guys have got me going on this Simian stuff tonight..

Is there a way to determine the IP address of a Web site?

It appears the Simian may have been part of ALE based upon posting date & times / content and now known  interview (PV) dates and times.
But what occurred to me is the sometime SMALL  amount of time between them.  I mean were they posting from the police station? Which they might have been  BUT....
Does / did Simian have the final asnwer   OR ... just getting info out that made them mad too.
Just Wondering

Oldfart - that will take alot of research.

Also, I want to make it clear I have not devulged any IP information to Grande or anyone else in this regard.

[bleachedblack]

I still don’t understand the implication of answering the telephone.  Does it mean no one should have been at the house to answer the phone, or that everyone in the house sleeps so soundly they never wake to answer a telephone?  

When the phone rings at my house at 2:00 in the morning I almost jump out of my skin and it doesn’t matter how deeply asleep I might be.

But in one of Paulus interviews(Nova?) he initially responded that he did not get any calls or use his phone the night of Natalee's disappearance. Then as he was exiting the room after the questioning was over he pulled the interviewer aside and changed his answer to that question to "Yes" maybe I di use the phone that night.

Who has a better recollection of this event? Janet are you here?  

[nonesuche]

Grande i think that one post is likely significant too because it did occur in less than an hour post that PV being recorded.

Did "viet vet" ever make a contribution as to his thoughts on the credibility of S&S ?

[blah]

I agree it's annoying but I also think the ego of some would get a high from watching us grab each of their FP posts and dissect it on the lively, to the degree they would begin to refer to themselves in third person as an icon.

Anna and Blah, I do think this is an important process to move through at this point in time for some. At this juncture what can it hurt? I beg for your patience  

As for Paulus needing to read, i really think the renfro pipeline made that unnecessary, I imagine she was updating them daily regarding Beth and Dave's every move as well as the internet.

Hey, i'm listening but for it to hold up in court, you have to convince a jury of your peers  

I'm not trying to halt any conversation or piss anyone off, just think of me as the jury.

[yapperz1]

Grande..
About the "If you were sleeping, who answered your phone at 2am"
I think Simian is letting it be known Paulus answered a phone, whether it be his home phone or a cell phone.  I lean to the cell phone. If he was out & about he couldn't have heard the home phone ring. But since the taps were in place (I believe by our guys/planes/awaks) the cell call could have been picked up on/overheard.

[nonesuche]

fine with me Blah  

[Easywriter]

I still don’t understand the implication of answering the telephone.  Does it mean no one should have been at the house to answer the phone, or that everyone in the house sleeps so soundly they never wake to answer a telephone?  

When the phone rings at my house at 2:00 in the morning I almost jump out of my skin and it doesn’t matter how deeply asleep I might be.

me too Easy and I am a very heavy sleeper... they must wear muffs  

Most adults will wake when the phone rings in the middle of the night, especially on Sunday/Monday.  And, it usually ain't good news!

[robots]

You guys have got me going on this Simian stuff tonight..

Is there a way to determine the IP address of a Web site?

It appears the Simian may have been part of ALE based upon posting date & times / content and now known  interview (PV) dates and times.
But what occurred to me is the sometime SMALL  amount of time between them.  I mean were they posting from the police station? Which they might have been  BUT....
Does / did Simian have the final asnwer   OR ... just getting info out that made them mad too.
Just Wondering

YES

 

[Grande]

Remember, they had PVDS' phone records when they arrested him on the 23rd.   He stated he slept from the time he returned from picking up Joran at 11:00pm until 5:45, however later that same evening SIMIAN stated the following... ""The phone call to the father was made at 4:00 in the morning.  No wonder he was late for school", this after the aforementioned statement questioning whether or not Paulus really did sleep.  Again, who could have possibly known about Paulus' alibi and phone records on the 23rd of JUNE, 2005.  How about 35 minutes after PVDS made the statement???

[blah]

fine with me Blah  

ON the jury - not the whole jury  

[truthseeker2]

I still don’t understand the implication of answering the telephone.  Does it mean no one should have been at the house to answer the phone, or that everyone in the house sleeps so soundly they never wake to answer a telephone?  

When the phone rings at my house at 2:00 in the morning I almost jump out of my skin and it doesn’t matter how deeply asleep I might be.

But in one of Paulus interviews(Nova?) he initially responded that he did not get any calls or use his phone the night of Natalee's disappearance. Then as he was exiting the room after the questioning was over he pulled the interviewer aside and changed his answer to that question to "Yes" maybe I di use the phone that night.

Who has a better recollection of this event? Janet are you here?  

I thought Paulus said that very early .. like in the night Beth and Jug arrived on the island.  Didn't he say that to one of the police officers?

[Kat_Gram]

I thought that it was Joran who made up the " slaves " comment attributed to Natalee. He told that one to Deepak Satish and Freddy.
Why ? Take a guess.. To portray Natalee as being unworthy of anyone's concern or sympathy. Note, Joran is the white Dutch guy, the other three are not.
Now, everthing that we thought about the girl whose name is Natalee is
all wrong. Prime Source : Julia.    
I don't like all the S*it talking going on on FOB and RU. When I was home alot recently, I looked and found that WebSleuths will not allow any links to either site as they are "Not Nice" places.
I think also that ppl on Aruba do have brains, but they have been fed a load by Julia, Scuba, Anita, Medley, Joe Tacopina Dompig Karin Janssen, etc.
As far as any drug use by the MB kids, I am sure that some kid from the group might have smoked a reefer, or maybe it was the other group of students that was in the Holiday Inn or maybe it was some blonde girl somewhere on Aruba at some point in time. Those sites deal in innuendo,
lies, gossip and in general want to associate themselves with suspects and criminals and help them out by assisting Joran with his stories.
It is beyond a normal person to figure out why.

[blah]

I still don’t understand the implication of answering the telephone.  Does it mean no one should have been at the house to answer the phone, or that everyone in the house sleeps so soundly they never wake to answer a telephone?  

When the phone rings at my house at 2:00 in the morning I almost jump out of my skin and it doesn’t matter how deeply asleep I might be.

me too Easy and I am a very heavy sleeper... they must wear muffs  

Most adults will wake when the phone rings in the middle of the night, especially on Sunday/Monday.  And, it usually ain't good news!

Maybe the answering machine picked up while he was out raping and killing.

[robots]

if the DUTCH dont get em,,, i will eat my liver  

[klaasend]

Remember, they had PVDS' phone records when they arrested him on the 23rd.   He stated he slept from the time he returned from picking up Joran at 11:00pm until 5:45, however later that same evening SIMIAN stated the following... ""The phone call to the father was made at 4:00 in the morning.  No wonder he was late for school", this after the aforementioned statement questioning whether or not Paulus really did sleep.  Again, who could have possibly known about Paulus' alibi and phone records on the 23rd of JUNE, 2005.  How about 35 minutes after PVDS made the statement???

Exactly

[blah]

Are we assuming that The Simian knows Paulus (or someone) answered the phone at 2:00am because of the phone records or because someone said they called/talked to him at 2:00am, or maybe Simian himself called Paulus at 2:00am??

Maybe The Simian used psychic abilities to figure this out?

[oldfart]

You guys have got me going on this Simian stuff tonight..

Is there a way to determine the IP address of a Web site?

It appears the Simian may have been part of ALE based upon posting date & times / content and now known  interview (PV) dates and times.
But what occurred to me is the sometime SMALL  amount of time between them.  I mean were they posting from the police station? Which they might have been  BUT....
Does / did Simian have the final asnwer   OR ... just getting info out that made them mad too.
Just Wondering

Oldfart - that will take alot of research.

Also, I want to make it clear I have not devulged any IP information to Grande or anyone else in this regard.

Klaasend..
I was not suggesting that you had given out any IP info.. or that you would ever do that.  I am sorry if you took it that way.

[klaasend]

Oldfart - I know you weren't implying that.  I just wanted to make sure it was clear to everyone.

[Marlee]

Klass...mail for you at the Cox mailbox when you have a minute...