Lively Case Discussion #634 6/4 - 6/5/2007

[tcumom]

Okay!  Here's the deal. I am going to continue to discuss Shango and Simian and anything else that I or Nonesy or anyone else wants to talk about.  If anyone else can start a discussion on something else that keeps us talking I welcome it with open arms.  Ask, ask, ask.  That's what I do when I don't agree or understand.  There is no other way to find out what you want to know.  

I want those in disagreement to ask the questions.  If I can't answer it them maybe someone else can.  Bring it on!  If Grande is so certain he knows Simian's true identity, which makes sense since there is inside info in Simian's posts, then let's go for it.  It's time to take off the gloves and make some progress.  Aruba has no intention of ever doing anything about Natalee.  The only ones left are her parents and the people that truly want to see this family find justice.  I want Robots to be right, but what if there is some small piece of the puzzle that needs to be in place that by some odd coincidence of fate one of us presents or causes another to discover that solves this case and brings the perps responsible to justice.  

Hang with me monkeys....I may be the hall monitor but I still care about the reason we are here....JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!



Sorry I yelled at everyone.

Why do you think the S&S stuff will make a difference at this particular time?  When were the last posts made by them?  Have they shown up on any other blogs since the last posts mad at SM?

Aren't we revisiting Simian/Shango to re-evaluate the posts because of the few tidbits of info that have come to light lately?  I think Lala's and others are hoping that some we can pick up some small detail which might be the missing piece.  
I probably didn't make sense, but anyway, I say *roll on* to Lala's, None, and anyone else who tangos.  Wish I had the smarts to understand it.  

[Lala'sMom]

Morning Anna.  I hope you have had some rain up your way lately...none here for over a month...not kidding...it's so dry the grass is beginning to die.  I don't think I have ever seen it like this before.



I saw last night where Klaas made a post about which Simian posts were authentic...I will retrun when I find them...I have a question...imagine that. LOL

[Anna]

I also think Tylergirl sounds different lately. Her style is far more eighteenth century formal than it was before. Oh well, maybe she's been reading Henry James. That would explain it.

 

You noticed that, too???  I wasn't going to mention it but now that you have brought it up. . . . .


   

[LilPuma]

Joints can be doctored,with other drugs.I have become much less tolerant of porn,after this.I was not a user,but I see how it desensatizes some to depravity.

In the 70's, they said it was "laced" with such-and-such.  Not that I'd know anything about that.    

[AnnieMW1]

Arubagirl is calling us dimwits again, in light of the company she keeps maybe that's a compliment      

Is that because we dare to venture that she could have posted as Simian?  Or because she knows we know something she doesn't want told?  Just curious. Sorry.  I will behave for a while.

Personally, I don't believe AG has anything to do with Simian.

Wasn't a close relative of hers a cop?

A cousin...

That's what I remember too...a cousin or brother or uncle.  A male relative.

[LilPuma]

Arubagirl is calling us dimwits again, in light of the company she keeps maybe that's a compliment      

Is that because we dare to venture that she could have posted as Simian?  Or because she knows we know something she doesn't want told?  Just curious. Sorry.  I will behave for a while.

Personally, I don't believe AG has anything to do with Simian.

Wasn't a close relative of hers a cop?

A cousin...

If you took a random sampling of the DNA of 100 people in Aruba, you'd find many many cousins.  

[2NJSons_Mom]

Annie, I thought AG's cousin was a female cop...

If the posts of S&S stopped around 7/1/05, and looking at Grande's spreadsheet, I was drawn to who was being questioned or gave statements during the latter part of June & the beginning of July.  I was also thinking of the Kalpo release....wasn't it early July, just before our 4th?

[AnnieMW1]

As for what's posted in the open here, I for one enjoy the S/S talk.  Who knows what the facts are?  But the posts and resulting theories are fascinating and I'm continually impressed by the time people spend to piece together what facts they can substantiate (times, dates, IP addresses, etc).  The discussion last night seemed to be respectful - as it should be.  Aren't we all here for the same purpose?  Whatever is being posted via e-mail should stay in e-mail - JMO.

Altho I must say I'm getting sick of the Mason discussion...we've been around that block many a time.

[Anna]

Morning Anna.  I hope you have had some rain up your way lately...none here for over a month...not kidding...it's so dry the grass is beginning to die.  I don't think I have ever seen it like this before.



I saw last night where Klaas made a post about which Simian posts were authentic...I will retrun when I find them...I have a question...imagine that. LOL

Good morning, Lala's,

No rain here.  We have grass only where it is watered or a drought resistant variety.  Keeps me busy keeping everything watered around here from dogs to horses although the horse water will automatically refill.  Wish I had one of those gadgets for the dogs like that with float that refills itself.  

It is going to be in the high 90's last of the week too which is going to finish everything off if we don't have rain soon.

Like Easy, I just have to wonder if S&S matter any more.  We eventually learned everything they told us by other methods.  I think the disinformation campaign was already underway.

On the FP they were calling the agents of disinfo "decoys" almost from Day 1.  They have done this before with Max Devries for example.  In addition to the 9-5 govt posters, at RWV we had kids getting out of the movies in The Netherlands, going to internet cafes and blasting us.  Could almost time them.

I wonder if there are names of people involved in this that we still don't know just as we were surprised by GVC, Guido and others after a year.  What else don't we know until this day?

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[AnnieMW1]

Annie, I thought AG's cousin was a female cop...

If the posts of S&S stopped around 7/1/05, and looking at Grande's spreadsheet, I was drawn to who was being questioned or gave statements during the latter part of June & the beginning of July.  I was also thinking of the Kalpo release....wasn't it early July, just before our 4th?

Hmmmm....that would narrow the field, wouldn't it?  I wonder if we could find a post by AG substantiating that?  It would explain the "feminine" nature of some of the Simian posts, per the earlier comment.

[klaasend]

Arubagirl posted at RWV:

Okay, wow. Damn you're fast.

First off, I thought the person went to the cops, didn't see this person and then oops, didn't go to the cops. Will talk to person to going to cops.

Second, I e-mailed my cousin. I trust this cousin. I think she's on the level.

I don't know why the person didn't go on the cops, believe me, that's a question that I'm going to ask.

Going back now.

Posted by: arubagirl | Tuesday, June 28, 2005 at 09:35 PM

[Tiger]

Well,nonesy,you suprised me,with your knowledge.I was being arrogent to think Girl scouts would know.i like to read SnS,I just don't think the answers are as importent today,justice is what counts.

[Lala'sMom]

The only reason we are revisiting this is because of Grande's assertions that Simian was Clyde Burke.  I have long held the belief that Simian was connected to ALE.  That is how I came to say AG could have been a doppelganger.  I am most likely wrong on that one, but since Grande has put another female name out there also. why couldn't it be this person instead.  Just because I say this is what I think doesn't make it so.   I know most people hate Shango and Simian.  I was very doubtful until I actually saw some of the PV's  and then I realized a connection.  I have spent hours upon hours connecting the PV to the verses.  Anyone that has been here knows that is true.  I am not doing this for me but to help in some small way.  

You on the other hand have a very good connection to the case and for that I am ever so thankful.  All of us working together could possibly make a difference.  I doubt that anything I will ever do will make one tiny shred of difference, but I will keep trying.  I didn't think this possible until the night I caught the top of Paulus's balding head and matched it to the casino video and then I realized each one of us are important and can contribute in some way.  We must work together.  It may take a few more years, but somewhere there is a person with a conscience that will talk and tell.  Maybe we can help it along a little quicker.

Now, back to Shango...uh, I mean Simian...

[Tiger]

Yes,I believe that the Dutch on aruba come with one tap root of genes.

[AnnieMW1]

Arubagirl posted at RWV:

Okay, wow. Damn you're fast.

First off, I thought the person went to the cops, didn't see this person and then oops, didn't go to the cops. Will talk to person to going to cops.

Second, I e-mailed my cousin. I trust this cousin. I think she's on the level.

I don't know why the person didn't go on the cops, believe me, that's a question that I'm going to ask.

Going back now.

Posted by: arubagirl | Tuesday, June 28, 2005 at 09:35 PM

I don't conclude from this that her cousin is a cop.  Do you Klaas?  Perhaps it was obvious given the surrounding posts???

[2NJSons_Mom]

Annie, I thought AG's cousin was a female cop...

If the posts of S&S stopped around 7/1/05, and looking at Grande's spreadsheet, I was drawn to who was being questioned or gave statements during the latter part of June & the beginning of July.  I was also thinking of the Kalpo release....wasn't it early July, just before our 4th?

Hmmmm....that would narrow the field, wouldn't it?  I wonder if we could find a post by AG substantiating that?  It would explain the "feminine" nature of some of the Simian posts, per the earlier comment.

There are female officers that also took statements per Grande's file....not saying they are related, but just noting.  

Thanks, Klaas for finding AG's post.  'she'....I remember reading it like it was yesterday.

[klaasend]

Arubagirl posted at RWV:

Okay, wow. Damn you're fast.

First off, I thought the person went to the cops, didn't see this person and then oops, didn't go to the cops. Will talk to person to going to cops.

Second, I e-mailed my cousin. I trust this cousin. I think she's on the level.

I don't know why the person didn't go on the cops, believe me, that's a question that I'm going to ask.

Going back now.

Posted by: arubagirl | Tuesday, June 28, 2005 at 09:35 PM

I don't conclude from this that her cousin is a cop.  Do you Klaas?  Perhaps it was obvious given the surrounding posts???

The initial post about the person seeing Deepak's car I haven't found at RWV yet.

I will say that my memory tells me AG's cousin was a female cop (I could be wrong).

[klaasend]

RWV front page post:

Over at Scared Monkeys, frequent commenter Aruba Girl claims to have info that someone saw the Kalpoe brothers on the road at 2 AM the night of Natalee Holloway's disappearance - presumably driving in an area associated with this mystery.

Can I ask a question. If somebody told me that they saw the brothers doing something suspicious but not illegal in and of itself, should I tell the cops? Even though a month has passed. I want to emphasize that I did not see it, but it was told to me. I assumed that this person told the cops, but turns out that that didn't happen.


Somebody saw the car of the brothers (the person is very familiar with the car, sees it almost daily, saw the brothers on the road at two am, going TO the direction of Montanja. I'm going to call my cousin and let her know. She's a cop. And no, that's not the reason why I'm so gung-ho about defending the cops from corruption accusations. We're not that close.

[AnnieMW1]

You're good Klaas, really good!  Thanks NJMom too for remembering the female reference.  I just remembered the family member reference.

So, is it possible that Simian could be AG's cousin?

[klaasend]

You're good Klaas, really good!  Thanks NJMom too for remembering the female reference.  I just remembered the family member reference.

So, is it possible that Simian could be AG's cousin?

Anything is possible but I happen to think Simian was more likely Clyde Burke.  That's just my personal opinion.