Lively Case Discussion #635 6/5 - 6/6/2007

[AZSunny]

Not to change the subject of recipes and food   but do we know if Joran is back in Aruba with his fellow pimps?

Guess I started that food talk with my SOS post....

Good question, LilPuma....under normal circumstances he'd be home from school, but I doubt that he's in Aruba, but that's just my opinion...don't know.

He was still at his Netherlands apartment during the Panorama article.  that appeared to be quit recent.

[LilPuma]

Not to change the subject of recipes and food   but do we know if Joran is back in Aruba with his fellow pimps?

Guess I started that food talk with my SOS post....

Good question, LilPuma....under normal circumstances he'd be home from school, but I doubt that he's in Aruba, but that's just my opinion...don't know.

- He could be in Aruba, the land he loves, with the people he loves and who adore him, kicking it with his pimps.  
- He could be in Holland, working for the summer.  Has he yet had a legitimate job?  
- He could have been shipped off to another country, so he can't be arrested if the Dutch come up with something
- He could be living with Joe Tacopina, gambling illegally in Atlantic City, maybe doing some "cleaning" for someone, as we think he may have done in Aruba

Just meandering thoughts.

[AZSunny]

AZSUNNY,

What are those things?  

They look like giant rats!

They are wild pigs called Javelinas.  wonder around the desert hills.  awful and smell terribly.

[2NJSons_Mom]

           


 

Sleeping on the job?  

Tiger, my Dad just had to make the best out of what was on hand in WW2, from what he told us.

2NJ my Dad started out as a cook in the Navy on a battleship!  He loved to cook southern, and he used to laugh at some of the comments on his food.  He spent 30 years in the Navy and retired as a Commander.  He loved his cooking days best I think!!

They just told him, 'you will do this'....and he did....told us he had gotten many compliments considering the supplies.  He had a knack....

Those javelinas (sp?) are something else.  Never knew about them...another thing learned.

[AZSunny]

AZSUNNY,

What are those things?  

They look like giant rats!

They are wild pigs called Javelinas.  wonder around the desert hills.  awful and smell terribly.

OK,  need to use my spell check.  should be wander...trying to work and respond.

[Tylergal]

It's just time we remind ourselves again, after being called dimwits and accused of all sorts of dirty tricks, who is accusing us and why.  We know those who have to give up much, protest the much and those who are involved in it, protest even more.

Note their source is Medley Relay, Glenda, et al.  We have the facts on our side, which is not to be confused with enabling poseurs.

ARUBA: A DRUG TRAFFICKER'S PARADISE

 
Located only 20 miles off the coast of Venezuela, the island paradise of Aruba serves as a trans-shipment point for illicit drugs—primarily cocaine from South America. Smugglers generally move large loads of cocaine into Aruba on fishing vessels, private yachts, and go-fast boats. They also move drugs out of Aruba inside maritime containerized cargo and airfreight. Drug trafficking organizations continue to exploit Aruba's air and sea links to the continental United States, South America, Europe, Puerto Rico, and other Caribbean nations. Most of the cocaine transiting Aruba is destined for European markets—primarily the Netherlands.

Aruba has large free-zone facilities (areas that allow goods to be held and then re-shipped elsewhere without paying an import or duty tax), which provide opportunities for bulk shipments of cocaine to transit the area without the scrutiny of local officials. Cocaine shipments in containerized cargo increasingly are transiting the area, specifically through the free zone. The free-zone facilities on Aruba are conducive to transshipments, not only of drugs, but also chemicals used in illicit manufacture of drugs. Some firms in the free zone are suspected of involvement in money laundering.

Couriers on commercial flights and cruise ships smuggle small (usually from 1- to 10-kilogram) amounts of cocaine and, to a lesser extent, heroin, into and out of Aruba, either concealed in their luggage or taped to their bodies. Commercial air couriers, sometimes swallow up to 1 kilogram of cocaine or heroin per trip. Drug couriers easily blend into the hundreds of thousands of tourists who visit Aruba each year.

The proximity of Aruba to South America, a high standard of living in Aruba, and an underdeveloped law enforcement infrastructure make the country an attractive meeting place for South American, European, and U.S. drug traffickers. Colombian traffickers play a major role in the shipments of cocaine and heroin that transit the island, having forged trafficking relationships with local Arubans. In the past, some airline employees and cruise-ship personnel have smuggled drugs through Aruba.

Aruba plays a significant role as an offshore center for drug-related money laundering. Money laundering organizations are well established on Aruba and enjoy protection from considerable bank secrecy laws and a stable currency. The organizations use Aruba's offshore banking and incorporation systems, free-zone areas, and resort/casino complexes to transfer and to launder drug proceeds. Although money laundering was made illegal in 1999, the legislation requires a provable underlying crime with a penalty of at least 4 years. The Government of Aruba also has an asset-seizure law that allows for seizure at the time of arrest to prevent criminals from moving assets prior to conviction.

The Government of Aruba has recently issued several decrees on money laundering that include increased oversight of casinos and insurance companies. The Government of Aruba also is in the process of instituting reporting requirements for cross-border currency movements in excess of 20,000 Aruban florins (approximately US$11,200). Aruba has a Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU), known as the Meldpunt Ongebruikelijke Transacties (MOT), and is a member of the Egmont Group, an international group of FIUs.

Aruba is not a source country for any of the chemicals used in illicit drug production and has no specific legislation controlling essential chemicals. Difficulties abound when attempting to gauge the levels of chemical transshipment through Aruba, as most chemicals legally pass through Aruba's Free Trade Zone—an area in which local law enforcement has limited oversight due to local regulations and manpower shortages. The reporting of chemicals transiting the island is strictly voluntary.

The Aruba Organized Crime Unit, a small investigative team of the Aruba Police, or Politie, has responsibility for investigating large-scale drug trafficking crimes. The Coast Guard of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba (CGNAA) is responsible for maritime drug interdictions around Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles. The Governments of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba have agreed to work more closely with the other coast guards operating in the region in order to present a united front against drug trafficking. The CGNAA has its own Criminal Intelligence Division (CID) which is separate from the Politie. However, due to Dutch law, unless the CGNAA can demonstrate that a given vessel is either coming from or going to territorial waters of the Netherlands Antilles or Aruba, any drug law enforcement, other than an administrative boarding, is considered illegal. Dutch investigators also support law enforcement investigations in the Netherlands Antilles.
 

Cocaine, heroin, and marijuana are readily available in Aruba. Wholesale amounts of cocaine sell for from US$3,800 to US$4,500 per kilogram among drug traffickers; heroin sells for about US$23,000 per kilogram; and marijuana sells for about US$2,000 per kilogram. These low prices suggest a heavy flow of drugs into Aruba. According to Aruban statistics, an estimated 14 percent of Arubans regularly use illicit drugs.
 
Aruba serves as one of two forward operating locations (FOLs) in the Caribbean for U.S. counterdrug aircraft. The FOL, located at Queen Beatrix Airport near Oranjestad, provides a landing and servicing area for counterdrug detection and monitoring missions in the region. The United States and Aruba do not have a formal maritime law enforcement agreement.

Sources:

Central Intelligence Agency, Drug Enforcement Administration, National Security Institute

[Anna]

Anna ~ I appreciate the costume change ~ now you're the Anna we know and love    

Yes, the nun outfit made me feel I was back in school.. Wasn't sure she had a ruler in her hand....

She did, 2NJ!  

[Tylergal]

This paragraph stood out for me.....

The proximity of Aruba to South America, a high standard of living in Aruba, and an underdeveloped law enforcement infrastructure make the country an attractive meeting place for South American, European, and U.S. drug traffickers. Colombian traffickers play a major role in the shipments of cocaine and heroin that transit the island, having forged trafficking relationships with local Arubans. In the past, some airline employees and cruise-ship personnel have smuggled drugs through Aruba.

[msmarple]

http://www.ajc.com/gwinnett/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2007/06/05/0605gwxRule.html

Ann Rule has a new book coming out TODAY about Barton Corbin, the dentist who killed his wife and, as it turns out, a girlfriend from his college days.

"Too Late to Say Goodbye" is the title. Ms Rule suggests he may have killed two other women. ("How many men knew 4 women who were killed ... ?")

Here are some excerpts from the article linked above:

"Rule was scheduled to be in Georgia this week to speak about the book but her appearances were canceled because the 27-time New York Times best-selling author has pneumonia."

Rule said she also was amazed with how Gwinnett investigators used advances in technology to tie Corbin to the murder.

"Forensic investigation has jumped forward since I've written my last book," Rule said. "I was amazed at how they used cellphone towers to pinpoint Corbin's location around the time Jenn was murdered."

Rule said she spent a lot of time with Gwinnett's investigators who helped to push Corbin to plead guilty.

Gwinnett District Attorney Danny Porter was one of the people interviewed by Rule. Porter said he received an advance copy of the book and he plans to read it.

"Even though I spent so much time on the case I am interested to see what a writer will find interesting," Porter said. "I have skimmed through it, and it seems that she has focused a lot on the personalities of the people."

[Frank]

Carol Williams 305-867-5171 this reporter is in Miami. It wouldn't be the first time the LA times has planted articles in exchange for advertising.

The editor was forced to resign over the Staples Center scandal.


Rob, urgent, call me on my cell.

[Tylergal]

I suppose none of the monkeys know where Prince Prospero is awaiting the gong, huh?

[Kimmy53]

AZSUNNY,

What are those things?  

They look like giant rats!

They are wild pigs called Javelinas.  wonder around the desert hills.  awful and smell terribly.

Wow - I never knew... They look skeeerry!

[Tiger]

Well,my father was a combat medic with the combat Engineers.

[Tiger]

Beautiful pictures.Joran can hide,but he will be found and punished.

[tcumom]

I wonder if there are any pics of the party boy joran out and about spreading that charm?  Seems to be keeping a low profile.  gee.

[Tiger]

his family keeps him in a supply of pro's.you will hear when he strikes again,and he will

[Marlee]

http://www.ajc.com/gwinnett/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2007/06/05/0605gwxRule.html

Ann Rule has a new book coming out TODAY about Barton Corbin, the dentist who killed his wife and, as it turns out, a girlfriend from his college days.

"Too Late to Say Goodbye" is the title. Ms Rule suggests he may have killed two other women. ("How many men knew 4 women who were killed ... ?")

Here are some excerpts from the article linked above:

"Rule was scheduled to be in Georgia this week to speak about the book but her appearances were canceled because the 27-time New York Times best-selling author has pneumonia."

Rule said she also was amazed with how Gwinnett investigators used advances in technology to tie Corbin to the murder.

"Forensic investigation has jumped forward since I've written my last book," Rule said. "I was amazed at how they used cellphone towers to pinpoint Corbin's location around the time Jenn was murdered."

Rule said she spent a lot of time with Gwinnett's investigators who helped to push Corbin to plead guilty.

Gwinnett District Attorney Danny Porter was one of the people interviewed by Rule. Porter said he received an advance copy of the book and he plans to read it.

"Even though I spent so much time on the case I am interested to see what a writer will find interesting," Porter said. "I have skimmed through it, and it seems that she has focused a lot on the personalities of the people."

Thanks for the reminder msmarple.  Been waiting for it to come out.

[Tiger]

iirc,trinidad is the home of some terrorist,who wanted to hit jfk.pretty close to aruba

[Tylergal]

Something I meant to post, lost where I found it, but ...

Regards Shango, Rastafarian.  Rastas often referred to "never heard the buoy toll" as being clueless, unaware, aloof.

[Tiger]

Anna,I still have nightmares of that ruler.Aol,just put up an article on purple frogs,I feel a lot better,it wasn't just me