Lively Case Discussion #635 6/5 - 6/6/2007

[Anna]

You know some especially Hispanics use both the surnames of the mother and the father and I think that they have deliberately used this to keep us off guard at times.

 

Maybe one name one time and the other the next, etc.  Look how many last names Freddie has.  

It's a marvel we can find anything.

But then that's the idea.

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[Tylergal]

You know some especially Hispanics use both the surnames of the mother and the father and I think that they have deliberately used this to keep us off guard at times.

 

Maybe one name one time and the other the next, etc.  Look how many last names Freddie has.  

It's a marvel we can find anything.

But then that's the idea.

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Exactly, Anna, and that is what I have always stated and add to that, the fact that they can blame it on Papiamento, Dutch, English  Portuguese, etc., breakdowns in translation, or the fact that there is a small gene pool in Aruba and they all swim in it, which explains an awful lot.

[Tylergal]

Some of the Arubans are probably their own uncles and grandfathers.

[Tamikosmom]

Didn't Dennis Jacobs have a picture of Lorenzo in his office and when Dave asked about him he said he nothing to do with NH?

Same response he gave about JK2 before they arrested the security guards?

I don't think it was a picture but his name on their interrogation list.  The only difference is that after the one questioning, this one continues to be left out of the loop.

Yes, Dave verified he was told there was no connection to the case.

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Anna ... I do believe you are right.  IIRC Dave inquired to why Lorenzo's name had been crossed off the list and ... Dennis Jacobs informed him that Lorenzo had "no connection to the case".

I do believe that I have a quote or ... maybe Dave related this incident in his book.  

Janet

[Anna]

Lorenzo was wild when we first heard of him.  He was sketchy.  Werent there some pics of him?

Only one semi-verified.  What was our source for his being wild, however?  Everyone who knew him personally did not say this like Aruba Girl, Native Lingo, even Sandra K.

I tend to think that just as she did with Leon van Loon, Julia and her familiar scubajap tried to cast some sort of suspicion on him as a detraction from the real suspect, Joran.

Just my opinion but if he is wild, why didn't one of the ones who knew him say that I wonder?  I don't recall any of the Aruban posters describing him that way and they all seemed to want him left alone which makes me wonder if he has not had problems since the death of his father of an emotional sort which Julia and others tried to cash in on.

Just a thought and something to file away and see how things develop.  If there is a connection, it should come out in the Dr Phil stuff if it ever gets to court.  Just my thoughts on this because I can't connect him no matter how hard I try based on anything other than rumor.  He was not even called back in the way so many of the others were.



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[Rob]

Rob,
Where do you get the information that Lorenzo is a "hell raiser" as he sure doesn't look the part to me.  And he takes his mommy with him to see about getting his four wheeler repaired.

He is in none of the bar photos that we have been able to identify despite some posting elsewhere that this one and that one is him when they are the wrong age or have wrong color hair, etc.

Didn't Art Wood say the cops asked him to search a certain residence and he did and found nothing?  I always took that to be Lorenzo's and it was more of ALE's tricks and run around to have him do that.  Maybe trying to get Art in trouble for breaking and entering or something along those lines.

But I just wondered because he never is seen in the bars like all the others and sure looks like a geeky dorky sort to me.

Just my opinion but he is way to close behind his mother in the only photo we have of him.  Could he have a reputation for being strange because he is depressed about the suicide of his father and that is why people are protective of him?

Just wondering. . .

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My source on Aruba.. he is the son of a retired polis official and apparently he (Lorenzo) had a bunch of run-ins with the polis due to his partying ways...mostly just throwing rave parties that were too loud for any of the neighbors that lived near by...I don't think he was ever arrested / cited for anything more than firecrackers and drinking.

btw- the source will not tell me what happened to Natalee other than Joran didn't do it....oh well...

I'm more inclined to believe Paulus was charged with the correct charges initially.

[Tylergal]

I agree with Anna on Lorenzo.  We had been told he was wild and crazy, etc.  We had been told what he looked like and it sounded like he was a monster.  When I saw his picture with his mother, he looked like a normal kid.  What was bizarre about the picture of him in the truck?  Nothing that I could ascertain.  

When asked of Tito what was Lorenzo's name, he stated "Wever."  That leads me to believe that the person who was being protected was Guido and they were calling him Lorenzo under the table to make it sound like LVR was the real culprit when all along it was the charming Guido, friend of Prince Prospero.

[Observer]

Didn't Dennis Jacobs have a picture of Lorenzo in his office and when Dave asked about him he said he nothing to do with NH?

Same response he gave about JK2 before they arrested the security guards?

I don't think it was a picture but his name on their interrogation list.  The only difference is that after the one questioning, this one continues to be left out of the loop.

Yes, Dave verified he was told there was no connection to the case.

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Must be in Dave's Book..I cant find a link..

Anna ... I do believe you are right.  IIRC Dave inquired to why Lorenzo's name had been crossed off the list and ... Dennis Jacobs informed him that Lorenzo had "no connection to the case".

I do believe that I have a quote or ... maybe Dave related this incident in his book.  

Janet

[Easywriter]

Just in case my friend Memphis comes back, I wanted her to tell our other friend, the flower girl, that we now know (thanks to Easy) and his sweet self, who was kind enough to invite Aruba Girl to post on his blog, that Aruba Girl has flatly denied any business with the Simian posts, but she will claim that she is now an internet prophet, and add to her resume, which lists the following.

*Then I really thought about it, and it is kind of funny. I mean, in my resume, underneath my jobs in the casino, insurance and automotive industry; I can put 'internet prophet'. How many people can say that? Not sure that it will actually further my career, but that's another matter.*

Hmm, she has been a busy girl for one so young:  casinos, insurance, prophet and automotive!!!!

I think if you read AG’s blog you will see that she has a rather biting, sarcastic wit and the reference to “internet prophet” was meant to be humorous.

I’m not in the business of defending the words of others and I don’t even recall the internet drama surrounding Simian and AG.  I just wanted to hear her side and discovered she had an interesting writing style.  So, I thought it would be interesting to let her express herself on my blog.  I enjoyed the exchange and have no regrets.

Easy, it is often very easy for you to disagree when all someone is doing is agreeing.  You need to be less defensive.  When someone agrees with you and commends you, learn to take it as a compliment.  It sounds like you have had too much condemnation and criticism that was not constructive.  It was meant to commend both of you.  Why question it.

LOL  Sometimes it just ain't that complicated.

[Sam]

Hi Monkeys,
 I was on here earlier reading but did not post in the lively.I had meant to reply to a post from Sirensong but it would take to long now to find it since my time is short but wanted to make a couple of statements.

1. I enjoyed Easy's blog and Aruba Girl responding. I read her blog quite often even though it has nothing to do with Natalee. I also enjoyed reading her post when she was here. I never once thought she was trying to get us off course. She always did defend her country. Makes sense to me.

2. I do not remember who it was who posted a drug bust that happened soon after Natalees' dissapearance. The name of the ship was something Mary. Made me think of Shango and Mary who was not a virgin. I have to go now but will leave it to one of you smart Monkeys to find the date of the Shango post as well as the drug bust on the ship. Could Shango saying not a virgin mean
  1. Carried drugs before
   2. Could it also be a ship who carried people? Such as the sex slave thing.

Just some thoughts. Bye now ,
Sam

[Tylergal]

Another thing I noticed is that Jossy has (to my knowledge) never mentioned Lorenzo.  He has mentioned Guido when he came up in conversation.  I recall from RWV that we were told that Lorenzo dressed crazy and wore makeup.  Now, I wonder why we were told that if the Lorenzo was in fact LVR or whether it was Guido, whose own attorney admits to his "wearing makeup."

[Easywriter]

Hi All..

Did you guys already post todays Awemainta article on Kalpoes and David Kock??

No, I didn't see it..should I go look or are you going to post it?

Yes..Im on my pc or I would post it..Looks like a interesting article..

now is give 450 thousand guilder of recompensa in caso holloway

Evidentally Dave Holoway contacted Jossy and asked him to run an ad in Diario for a week with an increased reward for information.

Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, I apparently misunderstood something, because the reward amounts pretty much remained the same.  Diario is running the ad each day and are setup to take the calls.  Maybe people will be more willing to talk directly with them.

[Tylergal]

June 5, 2005, over two tons of cocaine seized.

Suspected foul-play involving American teenager Natalee Holloway isn't the only big crime story in Aruba these days. Known as a favorite transshipment for drug traffckers, the waters surrounding Aruba were the scene of a major drug interdiction operation by US officials.

United States federal agents seized 4,488 pounds of cocaine on board the Bolivian-flagged vessel M/V Sea Atlantic at approximately 150 nautical miles off the coast of Aruba. The seizure was part of Operation Caribbean Corridor, an investigative/law enforcement initiative by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the US Coast Guard in the Caribbean Basin.

The Sea Atlantic, sailing under the Bolivian flag, raised the interest of law enforcement organizations operating as part of Operation Caribbean Corridor. After successful cooperation between the USCG, the international counter drug organization Joint Inter- Agency Task Force South, the Royal Netherlands Navy, and the Coast Guard for the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, more than 65 bales of cocaine were found in a hidden compartment on board the ship.

The USCG Law Enforcement Detachment — permanently stationed onboard the Royal Netherlands Navy Ship — boarded the motor vessel, assisted by a Royal Netherlands Navy Maritime security Team. Later that morning, they found 68 bales (approximately 4,488 pounds) of a powdery substance that tested positive for cocaine during a field test.

The crew of the M/V Sea Atlantic was arrested and the ship was escorted to Puerto Rico by the USCG Cutter Vigorous. The following crew members of the M/V Sea Atlantic are now in federal custody, according to arrest reports:

Alicides Rodriguez Duran, 38, citizen of Venezuela

Carlos Julio Almonte, 59, citizen of Dominican Republic

Gandaogo Minoungou, 42, citizen of Burkina Faso

Nii Klaku Okley, 39, citizen of Ghana

Ruberts Jose Gonzalez Valero, 29, citizen of Venezuela

Ronald Jose Morelis, 32, citizen of Venezuela

Julio Cesar de la Rosa, 34, citizen of Dominican Republic

Reinaldo Jose Cabello, 42, citizen of Venezuela

Alberto Javier Padilla, 36, citizen of Mexico

"ICE and the other federal agencies in Operation Caribbean Corridor — DEA, FBI and the US Coast Guard — are working together, efficiently and intelligently to stop the transshipment of drugs and other contraband in the Caribbean Basin," according to officials from ICE.

"US Coast Guard law enforcement detachments have a proud and successful history of intercepting contraband with the Dutch navy in the Caribbean. With the aggressive work of ICE, DEA and the FBI in Operation Caribbean Corridor, our collective resources are maximized as we work together to keep drugs off the streets." Said Captain James Tunstall, Commander, USCG, Sector San Juan.

The crew members arrested will be prosecuted in federal court in Puerto Rico.

Sources: US Coast Guard, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Drug Enforcement Administration, US Department of Justice, American Federation of Police

[2NJSons_Mom]

Sam,

MsDarthVada posted the article about the drug ship on pg 33 this thread...DMary was the name.

[Tylergal]

Posted: Jun 30, 2005 17:12 UTC
ORANJESTAD - Over the week-end of June 25 and 26 the base ship of the Dutch Marine in the Caribbean area, Hr. Ms. Van Speyk, intercepted some 1,800 kilos of cocaine in international waters. The drugs were hidden in the ship DMary, that was on its way from the leeward islands to Central America.

Here's where the ship was busted for drugs......

On page 33, Mrs. Darth Vader.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Oh, Tyler...I remember your article better....

[Easywriter]

I'm thinking the cops are all over the disapearance of Kelsey Smith and will have some answers soon.  They have followed cell tower pings to a wooded area near a lake where the cell pinged twice on one tower then went quiet.  Doesn't sound good for Kelsey imo.

I do wonder why the young guy in the video has been so hard to locate.

[msmarple]

Not trying to be a horse's patootie here...but I do not see any references to any statements given by a Claudio Eldridge.   I see a Claudio Stamper. I know I will be chastised for going by the case statements, but it is all I have access to at this time.  

I suspect from the look of my email I should just shut my mouth for a little while.  I seem to be ruffling feathers today. Why is it always me?  Why? Why?  

Lalas - No we do not have that statement and apparently it isn't part of what's being requested in the California case.

IIRC, it was mentioned in a letter that JK wrote to "justify denying the $$ award" to Paulus. We talked about it for days. This wasn't very long ago - whenever we learned that he wasn't getting the money.

[Shellbell]

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=69247462&albumId=0

OT I know, but this is Kelseys myspace.

[Observer]

Hi All..

Did you guys already post todays Awemainta article on Kalpoes and David Kock??

No, I didn't see it..should I go look or are you going to post it?

Yes..Im on my pc or I would post it..Looks like a interesting article..

now is give 450 thousand guilder of recompensa in caso holloway

Evidentally Dave Holoway contacted Jossy and asked him to run an ad in Diario for a week with an increased reward for information.

Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, I apparently misunderstood something, because the reward amounts pretty much remained the same.  Diario is running the ad each day and are setup to take the calls.  Maybe people will be more willing to talk directly with them.

Yup 450 mil florins = 254,000 american dollars. I tried to translate some of the article as it talks about dolfi richardson.

we of awemainta have to tell,cu commisioner dolfi richardson,no owing to stay nothing contento cu dicho publicacion. more still his unmber of celular now owing to become publico y owing to let know cu the not owing to give permission for such publicacion