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« Reply #520 on: August 08, 2011, 11:39:10 AM »

Apologizing for the very long copy and paste.  The VERY last comment, from Blink, which is bolded ~ I guess I'm really dense....is Blink saying it's not a good sign for the killer(s) *or* for the authorities?   I am sorry I don't get it.   

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/08/02/nh-girl-celina-cass-body-found-in-ct-river-police-probe-focuses-on-family-home-and-stepdad-wendell-noyes/#comments

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August 8, 2011 at 6:40 am

Event in Vt. to honor life of 11-year-old NH girl
http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2011/08/08/event_in_vt_to_honor_life_of_11_year_old_nh_girl/

An event honoring Celina’s life is scheduled for 6:30 p.m. Monday at the Canaan School gymnasium.

Celina played basketball for Canaan School.
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Gathering in Vermont will remember Celina Cass
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20110808/NEWS03/708089979

Senior Assistant Attorney General Jane E. Young said Sunday that there were no new developments. She said it could be days — even weeks — before new specific details are available.

Forensic technicians are processing evidence collected during the search of Cass’s home and two vehicles towed from the driveway since July 26. The state Medical Examiner’s office also is waiting for results of toxicological tests that have been sent to a Pennsyvlania laboratory.

The Boston Globe reported one of the pickup trucks seized in the driveway belonged to Noyes. The Globe, quoting neighbors, said the other truck was being driven by Kevin Mullaney, who had moved in with the family.
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N.H. town moves slowly beyond grief
http://articles.boston.com/2011-08-07/news/29862172_1_nursing-home-moves-wagon

Jane Young, New Hampshire’s senior assistant attorney general, said during a phone interview yesterday that officials are still looking at the case as a criminal investigation.

Investigators were in and out of the Cass home Wednesday and towed a silver Ford pickup truck. Young said the search of the house has been completed.
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The fact that both trucks are still in impound is not a good sign.
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« Reply #521 on: August 08, 2011, 11:41:57 AM »

it says the toxicology is being done at a lab in pennsylvania. i bet its the same one that the toxicologist the defense team used in the caylee anthony trial is from. 
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« Reply #522 on: August 08, 2011, 12:23:53 PM »

Some interesting info on the Noyes surname:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bctkWRxchN0J:polygamybooks.org/2011/05/01/the-canadian-constitutional-reference-case.aspx

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            Socialistic experimental societies.  The name, John Humphrey Noyes and his Oneida Community epitomizes the radical New England, social experiments of the Nineteenth Century.  Noyes, born in 1811, was a contemporary of Joseph Smith who was born in 1805. The Oneida Community was both religious and socialistic, more exactly communistic.  And as it seems, the more socialistic the dogma, the more liberal becomes sexual cohabitation.  And eventually, unrestrained sexual behavior becomes dogmatic or coerced conformity as it did in the Oneida Community and FLDS.

            In contrast to Joseph Smith, John Noyes was well educated and came from a prominent family.  But he had some strange ideas that did not conform to the Yale Divinity School where his license to preach was revoked.

            Although Noyes’ theocracy was not as dynamic as Mormonism it did have some parallels.   They both sought to revolutionize the institution of marriage by permitting men to copulate with many women.  Joseph came up with polygamy; John Noyes created “Complex Marriage.”

            In order for these radical sexual deviations to be accepted there needed to be the illusion that God approved.  Although Noyes did not receive revelation wholesale like Joseph he convinced himself and his followers that he was an agent of God.

            Noyes professed that his communistic society was sinless and represented perfection.  He denounced the institution of marriage replacing it with Complex Marriage which meant that every man was married to every woman and every woman was married to every man.  In that regard he coined the phrase:  “Free love.”  But intimate, lasting relations between a man and woman were frowned upon as was the family unit.  (Complex marriage is kind’a like canine marriage.  Males copulate with whatever breed happens to be in heat.)

            Noyes invented new terms for “old dogma,” in other words fancy words like “complex marriage” for free love.

            He introduced the concept of “Male Continence,” meaning delayed ejaculation – as a means for birth control.  He wanted to keep pregnancy at a minimum, whereas Brigham Young emphasized “multiply and replenish,” and “building up a righteous seed,” as the impetus for copulating with many women. Brigham wanted a huge membership as a means of building up the Kingdom of God.  Noyes also thought he had established the Kingdom of God but for some reason discouraged multiplying and replenishing   

            Noyes introduced the concept of “Ascending Fellowship,” which was the righteous introduction of virgins to “Complex Marriage” by old men called “Central Members.” The old men were the spiritual patriarchs and got to pick the young virgins and of course these naïve pubescent girls had no choice but to comply.   And as we have learned, Brigham encouraged the young ladies to marry old men because they were tried and true and had a much better chance of being exalted. 

            Noyes introduced another doctrine, “Mutual Criticism,” which was a method of coercing conformity.  Non conformists were subject to group criticism or criticism from the whole community until they conformed.  Brigham and Joseph used priesthood and revelation to coerce conformity.

            Contrary to Mormonism which is male dominated by a “priesthood” Noyes made women equal to men and some women even served on the community ruling boards.  Nevertheless women were expected to wear dresses but many wore pants under their dresses just like women in the FLDS do today. 

            The Oneida Community heyday occurred after Joseph Smith’s death.  There were never more than 400 members but because it was so radical, especially where sexual permissiveness was concerned it received much publicity.

            Complex Marriage was the Oneida Community’s downfall just as polygamy was Joseph’s downfall.  Noyes was indicted for adultery and the people were severely persecuted.  Noyes turned control of the community over to his son who ruled with an iron fist.  As the community disintegrated the people reverted back to monogamy.

            The reader interested in more information about Noyes and other radical, religious socialist experiments can consult, Strange Cults and Utopians of 19th-Century America, formerly titled, History of American Socialisms, by Dover Publications, Inc., New York.
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« Reply #523 on: August 08, 2011, 12:40:53 PM »

Some interesting info on the Noyes surname:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bctkWRxchN0J:polygamybooks.org/2011/05/01/the-canadian-constitutional-reference-case.aspx

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            Socialistic experimental societies.  The name, John Humphrey Noyes and his Oneida Community epitomizes the radical New England, social experiments of the Nineteenth Century.  Noyes, born in 1811, was a contemporary of Joseph Smith who was born in 1805. The Oneida Community was both religious and socialistic, more exactly communistic.  And as it seems, the more socialistic the dogma, the more liberal becomes sexual cohabitation.  And eventually, unrestrained sexual behavior becomes dogmatic or coerced conformity as it did in the Oneida Community and FLDS.
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            Noyes introduced another doctrine, “Mutual Criticism,” which was a method of coercing conformity.  Non conformists were subject to group criticism or criticism from the whole community until they conformed.  Brigham and Joseph used priesthood and revelation to coerce conformity.

            Contrary to Mormonism which is male dominated by a “priesthood” Noyes made women equal to men and some women even served on the community ruling boards.  Nevertheless women were expected to wear dresses but many wore pants under their dresses just like women in the FLDS do today. 

            The Oneida Community heyday occurred after Joseph Smith’s death.  There were never more than 400 members but because it was so radical, especially where sexual permissiveness was concerned it received much publicity.

            Complex Marriage was the Oneida Community’s downfall just as polygamy was Joseph’s downfall.  Noyes was indicted for adultery and the people were severely persecuted.  Noyes turned control of the community over to his son who ruled with an iron fist.  As the community disintegrated the people reverted back to monogamy.

            The reader interested in more information about Noyes and other radical, religious socialist experiments can consult, Strange Cults and Utopians of 19th-Century America, formerly titled, History of American Socialisms, by Dover Publications, Inc., New York.
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« Reply #524 on: August 08, 2011, 12:41:11 PM »

Holy cow! Read this! Definitely moi interesting! To think, I have generations & generations of Oneida flatware in my buffet!

http://www.nyhistory.com/central/oneida.htm

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The Oneida Community
THE SHAKERS / ONEIDA COMMUNITY
by Randall Hillebrand, (Part Two) *

The founder of the Oneida Community was John Humphrey Noyes. He was born in Brattleboro, Vermont, in 1811. John Humphrey came from a well established home where his father, also named John, was a congressman and Dartmouth graduate. His mother Polly was sixteen years younger than his father and was a very strong- willed and deeply religious woman. She always taught her children "to fear the Lord." She even prayed before John Humphrey's birth that someday he might become a devoted minister of the gospel. Up until John Humphery's conversion, he was known as a rebel who had little interest in theology or in his studies. He entered Dartmouth in 1826, the year that revival had hit its peak under Charles Finney. But to no avail, John was not affected by it and looked at religion with great cynicism. Five years later though, at the request of his mother, John attended a four-day revival meeting in Putney, Vermont, again under the ministry of Charles Finney. At first he was not moved by what he heard, "but after the meeting he suffered a feverish cold which led him to think of death, and to humble himself before God." He vigorously embraced the faith and the expectation of the beginning of the Millennial Kingdom. Later he studied at Andover and Yale Divinity School with a vision of going into the ministry.

While at Yale, Noyes came to a new understanding of the way of salvation which he labeled as Perfectionism. This view did not hold to total depravity as did the Calvinists' view, but it saw man as reaching a state of perfection or sinlessness at conversion. When Noyes asserted this doctrine of complete release from sin at conversion while studying at Yale Divinity School, he was denied ordination. It is said that one of the reasons that Noyes adopted this doctrine was the fact that he could not believe that he was a sinner, since he could not summon up from within any feeling of deep guilt and despair. For whatever reason he adopted this doctrine, it was the underlying foundation of his future endeavors.
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« Reply #525 on: August 08, 2011, 12:41:55 PM »

it says the toxicology is being done at a lab in pennsylvania. i bet its the same one that the toxicologist the defense team used in the caylee anthony trial is from. 
I just wish we had some sort of an idea when the results will be released. 
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« Reply #526 on: August 08, 2011, 12:45:40 PM »

Holy cow! Read this! Definitely moi interesting! To think, I have generations & generations of Oneida flatware in my buffet!

http://www.nyhistory.com/central/oneida.htm

Snipped but the whole article is incredibly interesting:

The Oneida Community
THE SHAKERS / ONEIDA COMMUNITY
by Randall Hillebrand, (Part Two) *

The founder of the Oneida Community was John Humphrey Noyes. He was born in Brattleboro, Vermont, in 1811. John Humphrey came from a well established home where his father, also named John, was a congressman and Dartmouth graduate. His mother Polly was sixteen years younger than his father and was a very strong- willed and deeply religious woman. She always taught her children "to fear the Lord." She even prayed before John Humphrey's birth that someday he might become a devoted minister of the gospel. Up until John Humphery's conversion, he was known as a rebel who had little interest in theology or in his studies. He entered Dartmouth in 1826, the year that revival had hit its peak under Charles Finney. But to no avail, John was not affected by it and looked at religion with great cynicism. Five years later though, at the request of his mother, John attended a four-day revival meeting in Putney, Vermont, again under the ministry of Charles Finney. At first he was not moved by what he heard, "but after the meeting he suffered a feverish cold which led him to think of death, and to humble himself before God." He vigorously embraced the faith and the expectation of the beginning of the Millennial Kingdom. Later he studied at Andover and Yale Divinity School with a vision of going into the ministry.

While at Yale, Noyes came to a new understanding of the way of salvation which he labeled as Perfectionism. This view did not hold to total depravity as did the Calvinists' view, but it saw man as reaching a state of perfection or sinlessness at conversion. When Noyes asserted this doctrine of complete release from sin at conversion while studying at Yale Divinity School, he was denied ordination. It is said that one of the reasons that Noyes adopted this doctrine was the fact that he could not believe that he was a sinner, since he could not summon up from within any feeling of deep guilt and despair. For whatever reason he adopted this doctrine, it was the underlying foundation of his future endeavors.
This is something else . . .really interesting.  By the way, I had the same reaction about the Oneida silverware.  Not sure how I'll feel about using it . . hmmm.  That's one way to lose my appetite.
Don't you know these guys are turning over in their graves over this batch of Noyes' .   
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« Reply #527 on: August 08, 2011, 12:59:44 PM »

Holy cow! Read this! Definitely moi interesting! To think, I have generations & generations of Oneida flatware in my buffet!

http://www.nyhistory.com/central/oneida.htm

Snipped but the whole article is incredibly interesting:

The Oneida Community
THE SHAKERS / ONEIDA COMMUNITY
by Randall Hillebrand, (Part Two) *

The founder of the Oneida Community was John Humphrey Noyes. He was born in Brattleboro, Vermont, in 1811. John Humphrey came from a well established home where his father, also named John, was a congressman and Dartmouth graduate. His mother Polly was sixteen years younger than his father and was a very strong- willed and deeply religious woman. She always taught her children "to fear the Lord." She even prayed before John Humphrey's birth that someday he might become a devoted minister of the gospel. Up until John Humphery's conversion, he was known as a rebel who had little interest in theology or in his studies. He entered Dartmouth in 1826, the year that revival had hit its peak under Charles Finney. But to no avail, John was not affected by it and looked at religion with great cynicism. Five years later though, at the request of his mother, John attended a four-day revival meeting in Putney, Vermont, again under the ministry of Charles Finney. At first he was not moved by what he heard, "but after the meeting he suffered a feverish cold which led him to think of death, and to humble himself before God." He vigorously embraced the faith and the expectation of the beginning of the Millennial Kingdom. Later he studied at Andover and Yale Divinity School with a vision of going into the ministry.

While at Yale, Noyes came to a new understanding of the way of salvation which he labeled as Perfectionism. This view did not hold to total depravity as did the Calvinists' view, but it saw man as reaching a state of perfection or sinlessness at conversion. When Noyes asserted this doctrine of complete release from sin at conversion while studying at Yale Divinity School, he was denied ordination. It is said that one of the reasons that Noyes adopted this doctrine was the fact that he could not believe that he was a sinner, since he could not summon up from within any feeling of deep guilt and despair. For whatever reason he adopted this doctrine, it was the underlying foundation of his future endeavors.

This is something else . . .really interesting.  By the way, I had the same reaction about the Oneida silverware.  Not sure how I'll feel about using it . . hmmm.  That's one way to lose my appetite.
Don't you know these guys are turning over in their graves over this batch of Noyes' .   

Guess what, this is too funny that we're on the same page... Some years ago, my mil gave me a Waterford Spooner to keep on my counter. She put an old Oneida silver teaspoon in it. I always thought it was the cutesy thing that my Nona did but had no idea others thought it was "cool". When I met my mil, I almost cried when I saw her spooner, then told her about my Nona & our numerous tea parties with little cakes & shortbreads. I have like 20 different silver teaspoons in my Spooner right now & all my friends adore the idea. I LITERALLY just now went over to my counter & took an Oneida spoon out of my Spooner - taped it on my freezer so I won't eat any Snicker's ice cream bars...I'm addicted to them!

Anyway, look at this from the same link...

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The Oneida Community never did become very large. In January of 1849 the community had 87 members; 172 members by February of 1850, and by February of 1851 the number rose to approximately 205 members. The records show that in 1875 there were 298 members, and by 1878, the beginning year of the breakup, there were 306 members. From the original 87 members at Oneida in 1849, the totals from that year on were group totals from all of the communities combined.

 http://www.nyhistory.com/central/oneida.htm
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« Reply #528 on: August 08, 2011, 02:32:15 PM »

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/08/02/nh-girl-celina-cass-body-found-in-ct-river-police-probe-focuses-on-family-home-and-stepdad-wendell-noyes/#comments

 (7) B. is praying for Mr. Laro's, maybe we should, too.  Prayers will be good for Mr. Laro, and Celina's soul, too,
 we care about her Dad. an angelic monkey
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« Reply #529 on: August 08, 2011, 02:34:59 PM »

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/08/02/nh-girl-celina-cass-body-found-in-ct-river-police-probe-focuses-on-family-home-and-stepdad-wendell-noyes/#comments

 (7) B. is praying for Mr. Laro's, maybe we should, too.  Prayers will be good for Mr. Laro, and Celina's soul, too,
 we care about her Dad. an angelic monkey

what does this comment mean to you?  It was after comment #6 on Blink's (link noted above.  guess that's okay).

The fact that both trucks are still in impound is not a good sign.
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« Reply #530 on: August 08, 2011, 02:41:21 PM »

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/08/02/nh-girl-celina-cass-body-found-in-ct-river-police-probe-focuses-on-family-home-and-stepdad-wendell-noyes/#comments

 (7) B. is praying for Mr. Laro's, maybe we should, too.  Prayers will be good for Mr. Laro, and Celina's soul, too,
 we care about her Dad. an angelic monkey

what does this comment mean to you?  It was after comment #6 on Blink's (link noted above.  guess that's okay).

The fact that both trucks are still in impound is not a good sign.
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I would imagine if they are both being held that there is incriminating evidence in both vehicles. If nothing was found they would have to be released back to the owners.
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« Reply #531 on: August 08, 2011, 02:43:37 PM »

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/08/02/nh-girl-celina-cass-body-found-in-ct-river-police-probe-focuses-on-family-home-and-stepdad-wendell-noyes/#comments

 (7) B. is praying for Mr. Laro's, maybe we should, too.  Prayers will be good for Mr. Laro, and Celina's soul, too,
 we care about her Dad. an angelic monkey

what does this comment mean to you?  It was after comment #6 on Blink's (link noted above.  guess that's okay).

The fact that both trucks are still in impound is not a good sign.
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Good afternoon Monkey’s,


Tcumom,

I have been thinking about B’s comment for hours.
She is a minimalist with words.  I concluded it is not a good sign
For the Wendell Mullaney’s. 

Thank-you for offering for Ancestry look-ups for GC.  They are not
Fully loaded on NH except for Telephone directories and for city
Directories.

http://www.evendon.net/PGHLookups/DirM.htm

A few sites for other things nothing petaining to this case.

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« Reply #532 on: August 08, 2011, 02:50:00 PM »

Seahorse and 4donks ~ Thanks so much for your take on that comment.  Y'all are interpreting it the same way I did. 
Then, I started over-analyzing it, and thinking, well, maybe she's saying the authorities are desperately hunting for something, anything to connect the vehicles with the crime.

I'm telling y'all ~ I watch waaayyyy too much NCIS, and am waaayyyy too consumed with this case; for some reason, much more so than when I followed Natalee and Caylee.   
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« Reply #533 on: August 08, 2011, 03:02:26 PM »

Seahorse and 4donks ~ Thanks so much for your take on that comment.  Y'all are interpreting it the same way I did. 
Then, I started over-analyzing it, and thinking, well, maybe she's saying the authorities are desperately hunting for something, anything to connect the vehicles with the crime.

I'm telling y'all ~ I watch waaayyyy too much NCIS, and am waaayyyy too consumed with this case; for some reason, much more so than when I followed Natalee and Caylee.   


tcumom,

 
It is my opinion, woman are born to solve puzzles.

Women give life and nurture life, and we want to know what happened to a life, that should still be here. This is the way
It should be, searching doggedly at the truth.
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« Reply #534 on: August 08, 2011, 03:02:36 PM »

Seahorse and 4donks ~ Thanks so much for your take on that comment.  Y'all are interpreting it the same way I did. 
Then, I started over-analyzing it, and thinking, well, maybe she's saying the authorities are desperately hunting for something, anything to connect the vehicles with the crime.

I'm telling y'all ~ I watch waaayyyy too much NCIS, and am waaayyyy too consumed with this case; for some reason, much more so than when I followed Natalee and Caylee.   

I also wonder if they found anything on the computer...child pornography  and the case has expanded.
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« Reply #535 on: August 08, 2011, 03:26:05 PM »

Seahorse and 4donks ~ Thanks so much for your take on that comment.  Y'all are interpreting it the same way I did. 
Then, I started over-analyzing it, and thinking, well, maybe she's saying the authorities are desperately hunting for something, anything to connect the vehicles with the crime.

I'm telling y'all ~ I watch waaayyyy too much NCIS, and am waaayyyy too consumed with this case; for some reason, much more so than when I followed Natalee and Caylee.   

I also wonder if they found anything on the computer...child pornography  and the case has expanded.



There must be a sale on Monkey “thinking caps” Smile

I also wonder if he is being investigated with any connection, to any serial killings?

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« Reply #536 on: August 08, 2011, 03:39:15 PM »

I believe that LE is holding back until the toxicology comes back.  I think that is the last string they are waiting for to tie this case solidly together.  And then there will be an arrest.
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« Reply #537 on: August 08, 2011, 04:25:26 PM »

Seahorse and 4donks ~ Thanks so much for your take on that comment.  Y'all are interpreting it the same way I did. 
Then, I started over-analyzing it, and thinking, well, maybe she's saying the authorities are desperately hunting for something, anything to connect the vehicles with the crime.

I'm telling y'all ~ I watch waaayyyy too much NCIS, and am waaayyyy too consumed with this case; for some reason, much more so than when I followed Natalee and Caylee.   


tcumom,

 
It is my opinion, woman are born to solve puzzles.

Women give life and nurture life, and we want to know what happened to a life, that should still be here. This is the way
It should be, searching doggedly at the truth.


Hi Seahorse.  I totally agree.

If it weren't for the two female security officers at the college campus who followed their instincts, Jaycee Dugard would not have been found.

How many male parole officers came into Phillip Garrido's home with an attitude and a job to do yet never discovered her?

No male bashing from me, they have skills we girls struggle with for sure, but there is a brain/heart connection that we as life givers have that is immeasureably useful in 'seeing' things that would escape a males perception.

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« Reply #538 on: August 08, 2011, 04:48:40 PM »

Seahorse and 4donks ~ Thanks so much for your take on that comment.  Y'all are interpreting it the same way I did. 
Then, I started over-analyzing it, and thinking, well, maybe she's saying the authorities are desperately hunting for something, anything to connect the vehicles with the crime.

I'm telling y'all ~ I watch waaayyyy too much NCIS, and am waaayyyy too consumed with this case; for some reason, much more so than when I followed Natalee and Caylee.   

I also wonder if they found anything on the computer...child pornography  and the case has expanded.



There must be a sale on Monkey “thinking caps” Smile

I also wonder if he is being investigated with any connection, to any serial killings?

 ::justice2NJ::



I can't stop thinking of truckers in the family, truck stop across the street, plus Kevin Mullaney & his criminal background on top of everything, omgosh!

Oh yeah, women just can't stop til they have all the answers...I know that's exactly how I am! Lol!

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« Reply #539 on: August 08, 2011, 05:58:08 PM »

I wonder why Wendell and Kayla would answer each other on Facebook.  They lived together.  Or did they all use the same computer?  From Wendell's Wall -

Wendell Noyes
how is everyone doing
July 19, 2010 at 7:05pm

        Kayla Laro i am doing great
        July 19, 2010 at 7:09pm
        Paula Ladd Senneville Wendell how the heck are you? I don't think I have seen you since our 5th alumni banquet.
        July 19, 2010 at 8:54pm
        Gail Bohan Martineau It has been a very LONG time since I've seen you. Where are you now?
        July 20, 2010 at 6:53am
        Wendell Noyes I"m doing fine collecting my retirement,living on main street in West Stewartstown,our 30 anniversary is coming up
        July 20, 2010 at 12:07pm

       
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