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« Reply #580 on: February 18, 2012, 12:27:14 AM »

Social workers had worred that Josh Powell would harm 2 sons

That Josh Powell might harm his children one day lingered in the minds of state social workers even as they took the steps to reunite him with his two young sons.

Notes dropped into the voluminous records they kept on Powell show they were wary of Charlie and Braden’s father from the moment Pierce County sheriff’s deputies took the boys into protective custody Sept. 22.

“I don’t want to sound alarmist or alarm you, but this is a highly sensitive case, and we want to cover our bases for the ‘just in case’ possibilities,” state social worker Forest Jacobson wrote in a Sept. 29 email to the company chosen to supervise the court-ordered visits between Powell and his sons.

Jacobson had advice for visit supervisors: “911 is first call if there is any type of emergency, including fleeing with the kids.”

Jacobson’s intuition proved sadly prophetic.

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Three days before he killed his sons, a pastor who’d been supervising some of Powell’s visits with Charlie, 7; and Braden, 5, told social workers he did not want to do so anymore.

“It is evident to us at this time that the investigation by police departments involved with the Susan Powell case are presently and actively building a criminal case against Josh,” the Rev. Timothy Atkins wrote. “We have spoken at length with Josh about this in recent days.”

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During a visit Nov. 27, Griffin-Hall noted Braden told Powell, “They found Mommy in the desert.” When Powell asked the boys who said that, neither answered.

“Dad became agitated and turned red,” the report noted. “He asked the boys again and they did not respond. I changed the subject back to eating dessert.”

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http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/17/2030939/social-workers-had-worred-that.html
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« Reply #581 on: February 18, 2012, 12:28:57 AM »

I'm so sick.  The Utah authorities really messed up.  There are just no other words.
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« Reply #582 on: February 18, 2012, 02:18:11 AM »


O.k., reading through the entire 34 page report, I am struck by the fact that Josh Powell is the splitting image of Steve Powell:
  • control freak
  • hatred of women (per the violent nature of the porn images in the Powell home and on Josh's computer)
  • abnormal and consuming sexual obsessions involving the degradation and dehumanization of women
  • above average cognitive ability, excellent memory, attention to detail
  • both overt and covert use of manipulation (guilt-"You going to make me sad..."; overly solicitous-"winning" the boys over with fun activities/gifts/surprises; concerted effort to appear friendly and engage when it suited- social workers, contract visitation worker, psychologists; self-adulation/narcissism- "Make sure you tell everyone what a good time we had together.")
  • intimidation, subtle threats, violence when angered
  • rampant narcissism; viewing people as possessions used to make oneself look better
  • both father and son started out in the Mormon church, married a committed Mormon, and left the church during the marriage
  • both father and son were in danger of losing their possessions and therefore, their control- their family members they manipulated, intimidated, abused, and controlled- the subjects in their self-created kingdom
  • both father and son were threatened with public exposure of their dirty little secrets and would "lose", as well as lose face-their carefully built persona would crumble into dust- they'd be exposed as the narcissistic perverts they were
I'm no therapist, but it seems to me that Josh had already been through this particular custody war once before. Susan's supposed ultimatum, with a deadline, to Josh to get back in Church and man-up or she would take the boys and leave likely ignited a firestorm (not to be trite).  Unfortunately, Susan had no idea what she was dealing with (nor did her counselor, as Josh likely played Mr. Congeniality-evasive/hedging/elusive/unwilling to accept responsibility/minimizing).  It's safe to assume that neither Susan, nor the counselor, knew Josh's complete history. IMO, Josh wasn't about to let Susan "win" and Steve Powell fortified his position, as well as aided and abetted. I believe the ongoing hours of phone calls between Steve and Josh were spent with Steve manipulating/warping/"encouraging" Josh.  Josh lied and denied he'd ever been abused, but he got his perverted sense of "manhood" straight from Steve. It was that "manhood" Susan was threatening, just as Terrica had threatened Steve's. IMO, Steve viewed his children as an extension of himself and did whatever necessary to get custody. His children (Jennifer excluded) came to view themselves as an extension of their father. The difference was that Susan, unlike Terrica, had self-esteem/self-worth and a support system advising her. She wasn't going to back down or just hand the children over to him and slink away. In essence, Steve's "war" became Josh's "war".

Timeline-wise, there appears to be at least a 4-5 hour gap between supper-the boys bedtime until the time Josh Powell left on his "camping trip"...plenty of time for 2 small boys to be sedated, while Josh or Steve did whatever.  Charlie described his picture as "Mommy's in the trunk."  He didn't say, "She came with us." or "Mommy got in the the trunk.".  He also said "Daddy and Mommy went..."-not "Mommy got out of the trunk (or car) and...".  So, that tells me Susan was either impaired, wounded, or dead at that point (with Josh "walking" her). The report also states that Josh had a campfire going at daybreak and the boys played.  There's a distinct lack of details from 11:30p.m. until daybreak though-apparently no one was tucked in, no diapers were changed, no one woke up, no one needed to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night in the frozen desert, no one ate breakfast, no one talked about how loud the generator was, etc.  Maybe because they weren't camping? I'm not 100% convinced that Josh didn't hand Susan off to Steve somewhere for him to abuse and kill her. Josh Powell was that vindictive and Steve is that perverse. Any man who would hatchet his small children in the manner he did, is that vengeful.  Which reminds me...
 
Repeatedly, in the 34 page report, there are references to Braden not wanting to interact with Josh, defying Josh, resisting Josh.  There is also a reference to Braden liking the Coxes (a.k.a. the enemy). Coupled with Braden reportedly loving the visitation worker, Josh was very aware that he was losing control of "his" boys. They were beginning to trust the very people Josh hated and tried to poison them against. Josh couldn't afford that, personally or criminally. That might explain why Braden received 2 blows, as Charlie was more compliant and trusting of Josh.  The report is chilling in that the psychologist accurately pegged Josh as: controlling; outgoing (as in trying to win over an evaluator); trying too hard to put up a perfect Dad front; too firm/unyielding ("the affectionate facial expressions did not match his tone of voice"); viewing his children as possessions; putting his needs above his sons; consumed with hatred for the Coxes; deceptive; angry; narcissistic; manipulative; and blatantly using his children to make himself look good. All that before the computer child porn, bestiality, and incest too! Both Utah and Washington appear to have failed Braden and Charlie in a big way.  Granted, Josh likely heavily encrypted those porn images and it took some time to retrieve them, but 2 years??!!!

As sad as I am that Charlie and Braden were killed, I am thankful that they are forever safe from the twisted, perverse, warped Powell group (Jennifer excluded). Josh would not have stopped-it wasn't in his nature.  Even if Josh had killed himself only, I'm not sure that Alina and company wouldn't have requested some form of visitation and furthered the family agenda. I'm also not sure any of them would not have assaulted, kidnapped, or killed the boys or the Coxes at some point to "win".  All my own opinions.   
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« Reply #583 on: February 18, 2012, 02:33:56 AM »

Documents reveal disturbing influence Josh Powell had on his children

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It wasn't until January that counselors working with the boys noted they were starting to get along and making reference to their mother. Charlie said, "I miss my mom," but added that she was lost and wouldn't be found "until we go camping again."

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More documents from Washington in the Powell case are expected to be released early next month.


http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865550403/Documents-reveal-disturbing-influence-Josh-Powell-had-on-his-children.html?pg=1
Northern Rose-When I read your post, I felt sicker. In the 34-page document, it details Josh taking the boys into the garage on one of their supervised visits and surprising them with new camping gear. I felt sick when I read that in the documents, as I'm convinced he had planned this for some time.  IMO, it was his escape hatch, contingency plan. When he said he "needed his boys", he meant it- he needed to be in control of his boys.  IMO, being controlled felt familiar to him and he needed to control, to feel in control. In other words, he only felt in control when he was controlling everyone and everything around him.  That's why he isolated Susan and attempted to isolate the boys from the Coxes. It's also why he readily agreed to supervised visits-staged house + highly structured supervised visits, designed to wow the boys (crafts they'd like, food they'd like, remote controlled airplanes, steady stream of surprises,etc.) and win over the social/visitation worker...controlled. Not everyone was as easily fooled though, as we see in the report. Just my opinions.
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« Reply #584 on: February 18, 2012, 03:16:13 AM »

What else makes me angry with Washington State Social Workers and especially the person that is in charge of what they do and do not do. After the Cox's reported about what the boys were saying and not wanting to wear anything to bed they still did nothing to stop the home visits. The school calling CPS more than once voicing all their concerns too.  It is as if all their concerns were just in one ear and out the other with the Social Workers and the powers that be. Makes me angry. The Cox's are very special loving people  I can be angry for them!!

It almost takes an act of Congress to bring a lawsuit against that agency. I believe they are protected personally by law from lawsuits no matter what their actions are or are not. I feel very sorry for the Case Worker that took the boys to that house that day. She was only doing what she was told to do.
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« Reply #585 on: February 18, 2012, 03:19:09 AM »


O.k., reading through the entire 34 page report, I am struck by the fact that Josh Powell is the splitting image of Steve Powell:
  • control freak
  • hatred of women (per the violent nature of the porn images in the Powell home and on Josh's computer)
  • abnormal and consuming sexual obsessions involving the degradation and dehumanization of women
  • above average cognitive ability, excellent memory, attention to detail
  • both overt and covert use of manipulation (guilt-"You going to make me sad..."; overly solicitous-"winning" the boys over with fun activities/gifts/surprises; concerted effort to appear friendly and engage when it suited- social workers, contract visitation worker, psychologists; self-adulation/narcissism- "Make sure you tell everyone what a good time we had together.")
  • intimidation, subtle threats, violence when angered
  • rampant narcissism; viewing people as possessions used to make oneself look better
  • both father and son started out in the Mormon church, married a committed Mormon, and left the church during the marriage
  • both father and son were in danger of losing their possessions and therefore, their control- their family members they manipulated, intimidated, abused, and controlled- the subjects in their self-created kingdom
  • both father and son were threatened with public exposure of their dirty little secrets and would "lose", as well as lose face-their carefully built persona would crumble into dust- they'd be exposed as the narcissistic perverts they were
I'm no therapist, but it seems to me that Josh had already been through this particular custody war once before. Susan's supposed ultimatum, with a deadline, to Josh to get back in Church and man-up or she would take the boys and leave likely ignited a firestorm (not to be trite).  Unfortunately, Susan had no idea what she was dealing with (nor did her counselor, as Josh likely played Mr. Congeniality-evasive/hedging/elusive/unwilling to accept responsibility/minimizing).  It's safe to assume that neither Susan, nor the counselor, knew Josh's complete history. IMO, Josh wasn't about to let Susan "win" and Steve Powell fortified his position, as well as aided and abetted. I believe the ongoing hours of phone calls between Steve and Josh were spent with Steve manipulating/warping/"encouraging" Josh.  Josh lied and denied he'd ever been abused, but he got his perverted sense of "manhood" straight from Steve. It was that "manhood" Susan was threatening, just as Terrica had threatened Steve's. IMO, Steve viewed his children as an extension of himself and did whatever necessary to get custody. His children (Jennifer excluded) came to view themselves as an extension of their father. The difference was that Susan, unlike Terrica, had self-esteem/self-worth and a support system advising her. She wasn't going to back down or just hand the children over to him and slink away. In essence, Steve's "war" became Josh's "war".

Timeline-wise, there appears to be at least a 4-5 hour gap between supper-the boys bedtime until the time Josh Powell left on his "camping trip"...plenty of time for 2 small boys to be sedated, while Josh or Steve did whatever.  Charlie described his picture as "Mommy's in the trunk."  He didn't say, "She came with us." or "Mommy got in the the trunk.".  He also said "Daddy and Mommy went..."-not "Mommy got out of the trunk (or car) and...".  So, that tells me Susan was either impaired, wounded, or dead at that point (with Josh "walking" her). The report also states that Josh had a campfire going at daybreak and the boys played.  There's a distinct lack of details from 11:30p.m. until daybreak though-apparently no one was tucked in, no diapers were changed, no one woke up, no one needed to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night in the frozen desert, no one ate breakfast, no one talked about how loud the generator was, etc.  Maybe because they weren't camping? I'm not 100% convinced that Josh didn't hand Susan off to Steve somewhere for him to abuse and kill her. Josh Powell was that vindictive and Steve is that perverse. Any man who would hatchet his small children in the manner he did, is that vengeful.  Which reminds me...
 
Repeatedly, in the 34 page report, there are references to Braden not wanting to interact with Josh, defying Josh, resisting Josh.  There is also a reference to Braden liking the Coxes (a.k.a. the enemy). Coupled with Braden reportedly loving the visitation worker, Josh was very aware that he was losing control of "his" boys. They were beginning to trust the very people Josh hated and tried to poison them against. Josh couldn't afford that, personally or criminally. That might explain why Braden received 2 blows, as Charlie was more compliant and trusting of Josh.  The report is chilling in that the psychologist accurately pegged Josh as: controlling; outgoing (as in trying to win over an evaluator); trying too hard to put up a perfect Dad front; too firm/unyielding ("the affectionate facial expressions did not match his tone of voice"); viewing his children as possessions; putting his needs above his sons; consumed with hatred for the Coxes; deceptive; angry; narcissistic; manipulative; and blatantly using his children to make himself look good. All that before the computer child porn, bestiality, and incest too! Both Utah and Washington appear to have failed Braden and Charlie in a big way.  Granted, Josh likely heavily encrypted those porn images and it took some time to retrieve them, but 2 years??!!!

As sad as I am that Charlie and Braden were killed, I am thankful that they are forever safe from the twisted, perverse, warped Powell group (Jennifer excluded). Josh would not have stopped-it wasn't in his nature.  Even if Josh had killed himself only, I'm not sure that Alina and company wouldn't have requested some form of visitation and furthered the family agenda. I'm also not sure any of them would not have assaulted, kidnapped, or killed the boys or the Coxes at some point to "win".  All my own opinions.   

Thanks for your post, ISpy! Good stuff.

Steve passed the torch on to Josh. Josh was working overtime to pass the torch on to Charlie & Braden. It chilled me when I read that little biddie Charlie, at the ripe old age of 7, had been lobbing 'I'm going to kill you' threats at another boy who'd asked to be his friend.
Also interesting, he chose to throw in the added detail of waiting until night time to do it. He was taking notes from his pa! Already!

It's terribly sad. There is no excuse for the waiting of 2 years to go by, before telling the right people that he had the 400 wormy images on his computer. It was a mistake to withhold that detail, I think. Even if they dropped it in the media... not being able to chase him legally. It would have applied more pressure.
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« Reply #586 on: February 18, 2012, 03:34:44 AM »

Carpe & ISpy both very good posts.

CarolF you are not alone being angry for the Cox family.

Our system has to start really putting the children first. Not just giving lip service. The sadness I felt reading how at age 7 Charlie was learning to hate and say hateful things. 

After reading the report it makes me wish they could have brought the POS back to life so they could do away with him again.
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« Reply #587 on: February 18, 2012, 03:35:20 AM »

Social workers had worred that Josh Powell would harm 2 sons

That Josh Powell might harm his children one day lingered in the minds of state social workers even as they took the steps to reunite him with his two young sons.

Notes dropped into the voluminous records they kept on Powell show they were wary of Charlie and Braden’s father from the moment Pierce County sheriff’s deputies took the boys into protective custody Sept. 22.

“I don’t want to sound alarmist or alarm you, but this is a highly sensitive case, and we want to cover our bases for the ‘just in case’ possibilities,” state social worker Forest Jacobson wrote in a Sept. 29 email to the company chosen to supervise the court-ordered visits between Powell and his sons.

Jacobson had advice for visit supervisors: “911 is first call if there is any type of emergency, including fleeing with the kids.”

Jacobson’s intuition proved sadly prophetic.

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Three days before he killed his sons, a pastor who’d been supervising some of Powell’s visits with Charlie, 7; and Braden, 5, told social workers he did not want to do so anymore.

“It is evident to us at this time that the investigation by police departments involved with the Susan Powell case are presently and actively building a criminal case against Josh,” the Rev. Timothy Atkins wrote. “We have spoken at length with Josh about this in recent days.”

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During a visit Nov. 27, Griffin-Hall noted Braden told Powell, “They found Mommy in the desert.” When Powell asked the boys who said that, neither answered.

“Dad became agitated and turned red,” the report noted. “He asked the boys again and they did not respond. I changed the subject back to eating dessert.”


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http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/17/2030939/social-workers-had-worred-that.html

They'll probably find "Mommy in the desert" one day. I will remember your words my dear little brave Braden Powell.
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« Reply #588 on: February 18, 2012, 05:06:26 AM »

Isn't it illegal o haved the kid of images that maggot man had on his computer illegal?  Why hadn't he been arrested? So many opportunities missed to save those boys.  
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« Reply #589 on: February 18, 2012, 08:09:34 AM »

OMG!  OMG!

How much more outrageous stuff are we going to have to find out about JP that LE knew and basically did nothing about?  (LE is Utah and Washington investigators and child protection services)

I can only imagine the stuff that will come out at SP trial!!

It just sickens me that if the authorities had acted with the children's best interests at heart, they might still be alive today.

I hope the Coxes and the good people of Utah and Washington will hold their LE accountable.  They might not be able to sue, but maybe their outrage can effect some internal changes that might help some children in the future.  I hope all Americans and all the states can join as one voice to make stronger standards/laws for child protection.

I am thoroughly sickened by all this!  I have to go gather some reserve before I can come back and take in more of this horror.

 
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« Reply #590 on: February 18, 2012, 09:04:06 AM »

http://www.courierherald.com/news/139552478.html
Chuck and Judy Cox to join Sen. Pam Roach in a press conference and hearing Feb. 23
February 17, 2012 · 4:33 PM

Editor's note: the following is a release issued Friday afternoon by the office of Sen. Pam Roach of the 31st District.

Chuck and Judy Cox will join Sen. Pam Roach (R-Auburn) in a press conference and hearing this Thursday.
The purpose of the meeting will be to explore the serious problems within Child Protective Services and offer solutions to actions that may cause children harm.

Attorneys for the Cox family, Anne Bremner and Steve Downing will also be in attendance.
“CPS needs to directly hear from the public,” said Roach. A public comment period will be held after the press conference.
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« Reply #591 on: February 18, 2012, 09:04:42 AM »

I'm so sick.  The Utah authorities really messed up.  There are just no other words.
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« Reply #592 on: February 18, 2012, 09:06:15 AM »

Thinking about Charlie's conversation with his teacher where he insisted that he didn't have a brother and it was just him and his dad made me wonder if Josh may have planned at some to kill Braden (he wasn't bonding with Josh but seemed to be bonding with the Coxes and others) and run away with Charlie.  Considering Braden's age, Josh may have viewed him as being more Susan's son than his. 
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« Reply #593 on: February 18, 2012, 09:30:28 AM »

I had no ideal that there was cartoon porn out there! Who thinks of stuff like that?. Sickos!

There is no telling what happened to those little boys while with Josh and his father...I am thinking that Susan found out and was going to expose them, as others on here have thought.

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« Reply #594 on: February 18, 2012, 09:36:18 AM »

I had no ideal that there was cartoon porn out there! Who thinks of stuff like that?. Sickos!

There is no telling what happened to those little boys while with Josh and his father...I am thinking that Susan found out and was going to expose them, as others on here have thought.


I remember reading about it during another case....can't remember which one.  Anyhooo, the cartoon stuff was being used in place of photos because criminals thought that they couldn't be prosecuted if it were cartoon figures, as the 'people' weren't real and it could be considered 'art'.
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« Reply #595 on: February 18, 2012, 09:39:23 AM »

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20120218/OPINION/202180301/Let-s-never-forget-Charlie-Braden-Powell-keep-asking-why-

Let's never forget Charlie and Braden Powell and keep asking 'why?'

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« Reply #596 on: February 18, 2012, 10:28:27 AM »

http://www.courierherald.com/news/139552478.html
Chuck and Judy Cox to join Sen. Pam Roach in a press conference and hearing Feb. 23
February 17, 2012 · 4:33 PM

Editor's note: the following is a release issued Friday afternoon by the office of Sen. Pam Roach of the 31st District.

Chuck and Judy Cox will join Sen. Pam Roach (R-Auburn) in a press conference and hearing this Thursday.
The purpose of the meeting will be to explore the serious problems within Child Protective Services and offer solutions to actions that may cause children harm.

Attorneys for the Cox family, Anne Bremner and Steve Downing will also be in attendance.
“CPS needs to directly hear from the public,” said Roach. A public comment period will be held after the press conference.
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Thank you Trimonthelake for posting this article.

I hope the public outcry is so loud, it's heard around the world!!
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« Reply #597 on: February 18, 2012, 10:52:32 AM »

Thinking about Charlie's conversation with his teacher where he insisted that he didn't have a brother and it was just him and his dad made me wonder if Josh may have planned at some to kill Braden (he wasn't bonding with Josh but seemed to be bonding with the Coxes and others) and run away with Charlie.  Considering Braden's age, Josh may have viewed him as being more Susan's son than his. 
KittyMom- That remark spoke volumes to me too. Normal sibling rivalry doesn't "off" a brother, even verbally. I'm thinking Braden, being younger and more emotionally needing Mommy, wasn't going along with the program too well (lots of crying, asking questions, missing Susan, etc.).  All of the those would have angered Josh, who would have attributed it to betrayal, hated Susan even more, and likely acted out on Braden in some fashion (likely making him feel disloyal and guilty for missing his mom). Josh turned this into a fight to the death for the children; Susan just wanted a good husband and father; the Coxes just wanted a good son-in-law and father for their grands. Josh, on the other hand, needed to be their world. We see from the report that Josh put all the blame on Susan's being missing squarely on Susan.  He clearly brainwashed those sweet little guys into thinking their mom abandoned them, to solidify their loyalty to him. He systematically attempted to make them afraid of the Coxes, the police, and everyone but himself and the Powell groupies ( I refuse to refer to them as a family-they have no concept of what a family is and how it behaves). IMO, Braden sensed that Josh wasn't on the level and he didn't fully trust him. He likely was weighing what he'd known of his mother and what the Coxes said against what he was hearing Josh and the Powells say.

All the signs were there, as we see repeatedly in the report.  IMO, Josh was likely grooming Charlie, as the more compliant one. Cartoon porn with children's favorite characters was probably not for Josh, given the violent porn he'd grown up with and had on his computer already, as well as the number of downloads from a multitude of of different incest sites (per the psychologist's report). IMO, he was encouraging Charlie to be a loner, as Josh basically stated in his assessment of Charlie. Josh said Charlie had friends, but also liked to be alone-that's not what the teachers were seeing. Charlie was exhibiting abnormal antisocial behavior, combined with specific death threats, and killing/death was on his little mind (his drawing, how to bury a dead animal so no one will find it, etc.). Seriously, most little boys who don't want to be friends just scuffle at that age. They don't threaten to come to someone's house, in the middle of the night, and kill them. Josh was working overtime to isolate the boys from the Coxes and instill in them distrust of anyone outside of the Powells. The report also highlighted Josh's pattern of "wow-ing" the boys, a known grooming technique. Given the Powell divorce information about Josh's adolescent behaviors and home life, along with a missing (and supposed dead Susan), followed by Steve Powell and the family culture, there should have been zero contact with Josh Powell.  My opinions.
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« Reply #598 on: February 18, 2012, 10:54:32 AM »

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20120218/OPINION/202180301/Let-s-never-forget-Charlie-Braden-Powell-keep-asking-why-

Let's never forget Charlie and Braden Powell and keep asking 'why?'

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What kind of lifetime mental images created someone who could come up with such a terrifying final ending?

Study Steve Powell and you'll find your answer.
So true! If I were LE, I'd be dogging the rest of the Powell family (Jennifer excluded).  Where there's smoke, there's fire.
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« Reply #599 on: February 18, 2012, 11:05:49 AM »

JMO

Carpe & ISpy thank you,its just hard for me to retype that sickening info
im still angry that the ball was dropped and it resulted in the murders
of 2 innocent boys.

just wondering how many of those,that had the power of decision in this
case were,are mormon
i have some concerns,as to whether the ball was dropped bc of the mormon
influence,in the lives of those involved in the decisions they made,or an
overall political mormon influence regarding all the decisions made.

in other words not shinning the light on the negative actions,of mormons
or former mormons,as the mormons have been in the news the last few yrs
due to some political office seekers,who happen to be Mormon,and others
trying to bring negative attention,to those political aspirations,saying
mormonism is a cult/cultish.for some reason,i dont think the laws regarding
this case were followed to the T.

one more thought on the house of powell, SP got his sick values,attitude
from somewhere (IE:his father?),i will never as long as i live,understand
the sick need to make your offspring,into a vile corrupt sick individual.
im hoping someone in that fam breaks,and exposes the sickness that has went
on for yrs,in hopes that it will shed light and understanding,on the mind
of these type of individuals,i know this is about a missing susan,but i cant
to wonder if there is an SP relative,committing the same atrocities
its time to get this type of sick BS,from behind closed doors and into the open

JOSH POWELL YOU LEFT A VILE CAN OF WORMS AS A LEGACY
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