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« Reply #600 on: February 18, 2012, 01:11:03 PM »

I should know this answer, but I don't.  Are there any other Powell grandchildren who should be protected from what remains of that hellish family group (Jennifer excluded, of course)?
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« Reply #601 on: February 18, 2012, 01:38:06 PM »

Isn't it illegal o haved the kid of images that maggot man had on his computer illegal?  Why hadn't he been arrested? So many opportunities missed to save those boys.  

My questions exactly!!!   The inertia displayed is just stunning.  Where was common sense in all of this?  Child endangerment is just all over this case from Day One. 
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« Reply #602 on: February 18, 2012, 01:38:49 PM »

This case hopefully will offer lessons to authorities dealing with the same type of situation.

There are many children who are left in the care of a parent because the other died or disappeared under mysterious circumstances.

It is hard to predict what a murderer would do if put against a corner.

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« Reply #603 on: February 18, 2012, 02:10:03 PM »

Thinking about Charlie's conversation with his teacher where he insisted that he didn't have a brother and it was just him and his dad made me wonder if Josh may have planned at some to kill Braden (he wasn't bonding with Josh but seemed to be bonding with the Coxes and others) and run away with Charlie.  Considering Braden's age, Josh may have viewed him as being more Susan's son than his. 
KittyMom- That remark spoke volumes to me too. Normal sibling rivalry doesn't "off" a brother, even verbally. I'm thinking Braden, being younger and more emotionally needing Mommy, wasn't going along with the program too well (lots of crying, asking questions, missing Susan, etc.).  All of the those would have angered Josh, who would have attributed it to betrayal, hated Susan even more, and likely acted out on Braden in some fashion (likely making him feel disloyal and guilty for missing his mom). Josh turned this into a fight to the death for the children; Susan just wanted a good husband and father; the Coxes just wanted a good son-in-law and father for their grands. Josh, on the other hand, needed to be their world. We see from the report that Josh put all the blame on Susan's being missing squarely on Susan.  He clearly brainwashed those sweet little guys into thinking their mom abandoned them, to solidify their loyalty to him. He systematically attempted to make them afraid of the Coxes, the police, and everyone but himself and the Powell groupies ( I refuse to refer to them as a family-they have no concept of what a family is and how it behaves). IMO, Braden sensed that Josh wasn't on the level and he didn't fully trust him. He likely was weighing what he'd known of his mother and what the Coxes said against what he was hearing Josh and the Powells say.

All the signs were there, as we see repeatedly in the report.  IMO, Josh was likely grooming Charlie, as the more compliant one. Cartoon porn with children's favorite characters was probably not for Josh, given the violent porn he'd grown up with and had on his computer already, as well as the number of downloads from a multitude of of different incest sites (per the psychologist's report). IMO, he was encouraging Charlie to be a loner, as Josh basically stated in his assessment of Charlie. Josh said Charlie had friends, but also liked to be alone-that's not what the teachers were seeing. Charlie was exhibiting abnormal antisocial behavior, combined with specific death threats, and killing/death was on his little mind (his drawing, how to bury a dead animal so no one will find it, etc.). Seriously, most little boys who don't want to be friends just scuffle at that age. They don't threaten to come to someone's house, in the middle of the night, and kill them. Josh was working overtime to isolate the boys from the Coxes and instill in them distrust of anyone outside of the Powells. The report also highlighted Josh's pattern of "wow-ing" the boys, a known grooming technique. Given the Powell divorce information about Josh's adolescent behaviors and home life, along with a missing (and supposed dead Susan), followed by Steve Powell and the family culture, there should have been zero contact with Josh Powell.  My opinions.
I agree with everything you've stated.  Sadly, I think poor little Charlie was being successfully influenced by his sick father.  If he'd lived much longer under that influence, he may have crossed a line from which he could never turn back.  Authorities failed these kids.  Hopefully, changes can be made that will prevent this type thing happening again.  There should be lots of people finding it difficult to sleep at night.

I, too, feel that a family study should be done with the Powells.  There has to be a history of abuse that goes further back than just SP.  How Jennifer escaped is God's blessing. 
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« Reply #604 on: February 18, 2012, 08:20:47 PM »

When are they going to arrest Ayla's father? are they waiting for another Josh Powell to emerge?

Between the Criminal Defense attorneys going after LE for lack of evidence and LE being scared of getting sued for millions by attorneys, these precious children are being murdered...and dangerous people are walking around.

I am sick and tired of criminal defense attorneys and their sound bytes of "Constitutional rights". Blah, blah, blah. We may need to write to our representatives on this one. When it comes to children, no parent should be hiding behind the Constitution and not talking to LE. I am fed up with it.
 
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« Reply #605 on: February 18, 2012, 08:27:43 PM »

'Place that needs healing': Powell boys mourned

Nobody used the word “exorcism,” but it seemed to apply.

About 30 people, including religious leaders from a half-dozen faiths, gathered Saturday morning at the house where Josh Powell killed himself and his two sons, seeking to use prayer and symbolic ritual to rid the place of whatever evil might remain.

“Father, this is a place that needs healing,” Pierce County Sheriff’s Chaplain Rick Bulman prayed. “We ask that you turn this into hallowed ground.”

The small group, huddled under umbrellas and shivering from the cold, shared personal reflections about the deaths of the Powell family and chanted in unison, “Save us, Oh God, from all evil.”

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During the symbolic cleansing, Rev. Heidi Calhoun sprinkled “holy” water over the site, using a branch from a nearby holly bush to shake droplets over the six-foot cyclone security fence set up by authorities to keep the curious away.

As Calhoun worked her way partway around the perimeter, the Rev. Chris Morton, the executive director of Associated Ministries, called out, “Come, Spirit, to this place. As we sprinkle this water, come, Spirit, and redeem this space and people from the violence and death that has occurred here.”

Associated Ministries has been conducting similar blessing ceremonies at murder sites in Pierce County for 12 years.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/18/2032092/place-that-needs-healing-powell.html
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« Reply #606 on: February 18, 2012, 08:28:40 PM »

I don't think it is that difficult to predict behavior. I had worked in the system and I can tell you that most just don't want to say it. They do not want to held accountable...and they don't have to.

I have seen custody approach the SWs and ask what they think the chances of the inmate who is paroling will repeat and they refuse to answer.

In my experience whoever was taking the children to visit him had ample opportunity to record his behavior and lend an opinion. In this type of case, this should and would be done (at least by me).  I am betting it wasn't done in this case. They just routinely did their Sunday job, got paid overtime and never charted the behavior of the father. Many do not go that extra step. I know, I've been there and I've seen it.

When you do go the extra step, sometime you have to go to court and defend it; sometimes you may experience the anger of the person and sometimes you have to argue your point to the lawyer in a court of law.

Typically, employes are afraid of the POI;afraid of lawyers and afraid of getting physically hurt so they do nothing but the bare minimum that their job states.
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« Reply #607 on: February 18, 2012, 08:36:12 PM »

Isn't it illegal o haved the kid of images that maggot man had on his computer illegal?  Why hadn't he been arrested? So many opportunities missed to save those boys.  

My questions exactly!!!   The inertia displayed is just stunning.  Where was common sense in all of this?  Child endangerment is just all over this case from Day One. 

Sadly, it will continue. The system is broken. Their is no accountability and you can't teach them, warn them or do anything with the people that work in Government. We cannot depend on the Government to take care of our children. We have seen this go on for years. They give the children to the parent that squeaks the loudest or has the most money or is the bio. It isn't fair or right. The judges and Social Workers sleep just fine. I know. I'be been there. They can rationalize what they do by just referring to the law or their job description (which never includes your gut feeling or investigate).

As long as we put a limit and a strong arm on Law Enforcement and what they can do to get the parents to talk, this will continue. The nation has become soft and it's getting worse. Personally, if I hear one more poster proclaim the parents hare their Cons. rights, I am going to throw up.
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« Reply #608 on: February 19, 2012, 01:46:40 AM »

Isn't it illegal o haved the kid of images that maggot man had on his computer illegal?  Why hadn't he been arrested? So many opportunities missed to save those boys.  

My questions exactly!!!   The inertia displayed is just stunning.  Where was common sense in all of this?  Child endangerment is just all over this case from Day One. 

Sadly, it will continue. The system is broken. Their is no accountability and you can't teach them, warn them or do anything with the people that work in Government. We cannot depend on the Government to take care of our children. We have seen this go on for years. They give the children to the parent that squeaks the loudest or has the most money or is the bio. It isn't fair or right. The judges and Social Workers sleep just fine. I know. I'be been there. They can rationalize what they do by just referring to the law or their job description (which never includes your gut feeling or investigate).

As long as we put a limit and a strong arm on Law Enforcement and what they can do to get the parents to talk, this will continue. The nation has become soft and it's getting worse. Personally, if I hear one more poster proclaim the parents hare their Cons. rights, I am going to throw up.

Sadly what have said is true. Our legal system has given everybody but the victims Their Con. rights.   
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« Reply #609 on: February 19, 2012, 09:43:30 AM »

http://susanpowell.org/Outsiders/Chuck-Cox-official-spokespersons/Jennifer-Kirk-Graves-ousted-from-family-hysterical-behavior

This is a page of mis-information from SusanPowell.org about Jennifer Graves.

Apparently,  Jennifer disowned her father 20 years prior.  And Terri Powell was still co-dependent with her ex and her children.

Lots of pictures and what looks to be one of Steve & Terri Powell and 2 young children.
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« Reply #610 on: February 19, 2012, 12:04:18 PM »

Hopefully, I shall never ever have to deal with  "social" worker again in my life.  My experience at the university where my specialist doctor worked, was disastrous.  The "social" worker harassed  both my husband and me mercilously.  I am not a criminal nor is my husband.  It became too difficult to make my appointments there.  I shall never know what happened, but I believe the doctor's clerk typist was up to no good for the extremely petty reason that I did not remember her middle name.  I don't know what the interpersonal relations were in that doctor's practice.  All I could do was to run as fast as I could and seek a specialist at an out of state university, requiring driving long distances.
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« Reply #611 on: February 19, 2012, 12:14:17 PM »

I do hope that "social" workers help bring resolution to some situations.  I do know that hospitals use them to clear out the place of patients to make room for new ones.  But in my case I was not a hospital patient, but rather a routine outpatient.   Perhaps the social worker received false instructions.  The behavior was so bad that I had to go out of state for outpatient visits.  I can't imagine how the hospitalized patients are treated.
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« Reply #612 on: February 19, 2012, 01:33:11 PM »

http://susanpowell.org/Outsiders/Chuck-Cox-official-spokespersons/Jennifer-Kirk-Graves-ousted-from-family-hysterical-behavior

This is a page of mis-information from SusanPowell.org about Jennifer Graves.

Apparently,  Jennifer disowned her father 20 years prior.  And Terri Powell was still co-dependent with her ex and her children.

Lots of pictures and what looks to be one of Steve & Terri Powell and 2 young children.
Interesting to read this now, in light of what Josh has done - to his children.   
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« Reply #613 on: February 19, 2012, 01:52:34 PM »

A murderer backed into a corner, murders.  1+1=2
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« Reply #614 on: February 19, 2012, 02:54:21 PM »

http://susanpowell.org/Outsiders/Chuck-Cox-official-spokespersons/Jennifer-Kirk-Graves-ousted-from-family-hysterical-behavior

This is a page of mis-information from SusanPowell.org about Jennifer Graves.

Apparently,  Jennifer disowned her father 20 years prior.  And Terri Powell was still co-dependent with her ex and her children.

Lots of pictures and what looks to be one of Steve & Terri Powell and 2 young children.

Now that the sicko is imprisoned and Josh has done what he's done... I cannot help but wonder why the site is still up. I mean, who is helping SP keep it up or if it's just him doing it, how is he able to do it? I hope someone strong arms whoever is behind it to take it down.

I hope Jennifer plans to stay far away from that scary bunch for safety's sake. No one is safe around those people.
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« Reply #615 on: February 19, 2012, 03:05:54 PM »

http://susanpowell.org/Outsiders/Chuck-Cox-official-spokespersons/Jennifer-Kirk-Graves-ousted-from-family-hysterical-behavior

This is a page of mis-information from SusanPowell.org about Jennifer Graves.

Apparently,  Jennifer disowned her father 20 years prior.  And Terri Powell was still co-dependent with her ex and her children.

Lots of pictures and what looks to be one of Steve & Terri Powell and 2 young children.
Interesting to read this now, in light of what Josh has done - to his children.   

Lots of uber creepy crap on there. One thing that made me really cringe was reading this part...
Grandpa Steve commented, "It warms my heart to come home from work and be greeted at the door by two beautiful and affectionate little boys
It's on this page http://susanpowell.org/Who-is-Susan-Powell/Wife-and-mother

The words disgusting vile monster just doesn't come anywhere near describing him.

I'd love to have five minutes alone with that sicko in his cell. I could make him talk. His voice would be high pitched and filled with painful groans, but he'd be talking to the police!!!! Just five minutes!!!!

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« Reply #616 on: February 19, 2012, 08:29:52 PM »

In light of all that has been made public, that Utah LE 'held back' from Washington LE, knew about, yet allowed Josh to leave the state with those two boys.. (because they didn't have enuff evidence to prevent that.. BS!).. am thinking that Susan's parents have plenty to stand on if they were to bring wrongful death charges etc against Utah LE.  And seeing that Washington LE did (even if after 2 years) finally receive what Utah LE had been holding back for so long... yet still allowed Josh to have "supervised" visits with his sons... Susan's parents could file wrongful death charges etc against Washington LE and Family Services as well.  IMO. 

And as heartwarming as it appears to be, that this has caught the attention of a Senator in Washington, who is 'looking into' the whole matter... one just has to wonder if she is only doing so because the whole world is watching.  Here's hoping she would still have investigated things even if the media wasn't relaying her every move and concern. 

One also has to wonder how many OTHER children in that area and elsewhere have slipped thru the cracks of the system, being further abused and perhaps have died.. all due to the inaction and/or carelessness of LE and/or Family Services. 

I am a survivor of severe childhood abuse, born and living in the Pacific NW, while Oregon/Washington LE and Family Services knew, but looked the other way.  Not only that, but 'part of' the abuse itself.  Which is why they looked the other way.  Perhaps there are 'good cops', 'good social workers', 'good doctors/lawyers/clergy/etc', in Portland and Washington.  There must be.  But I wouldn't trust leaving a goldfish into their care.  Nope.  For one thing, there is a huge major cult in that area, and others, that LE knows about, yet does nothing.  Things haven't changed much in the last 55 years.  Children still go missing, are still being abused, are still dying.  And those of us who do survive, by one miracle or another, continue to cringe, as each new child is abused/killed and LE either does nothing meaningful to either prevent it, or bring justice for them. 

This will keep happening until society as a whole gets sick and tired of children being treated this way.  One survivor alone cannot bring change.  WE all, across America and beyond, need to take a stand together, and say....... Enough! 

IMO. 
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« Reply #617 on: February 19, 2012, 09:41:26 PM »

http://susanpowell.org/Outsiders/Chuck-Cox-official-spokespersons/Jennifer-Kirk-Graves-ousted-from-family-hysterical-behavior

This is a page of mis-information from SusanPowell.org about Jennifer Graves.

Apparently,  Jennifer disowned her father 20 years prior.  And Terri Powell was still co-dependent with her ex and her children.

Lots of pictures and what looks to be one of Steve & Terri Powell and 2 young children.

Now that the sicko is imprisoned and Josh has done what he's done... I cannot help but wonder why the site is still up. I mean, who is helping SP keep it up or if it's just him doing it, how is he able to do it? I hope someone strong arms whoever is behind it to take it down.

I hope Jennifer plans to stay far away from that scary bunch for safety's sake. No one is safe around those people.
Brother Michael is behind that sick site, imo.  He and Alina are going to defend the monsters as long as they have breath.
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« Reply #618 on: February 19, 2012, 11:54:54 PM »

Psychologist: Josh Powell had adjustment disorder, narcissistic personality disorder

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Powell told Manley that his wife was "OK with it," when he decided to take his children camping the night his wife disappeared, claiming her biggest concern was that the children be kept warm.

"He referenced that prior to leaving the family home he had 'washed' the couch and placed a fan nearby to dry it," Manley wrote. "He noted 'Susan did not like running machines. She would rather use scissors to trim the lawn instead of a weed whacker. We made an agreement, that I would wash the couch and she would shovel the walkway.' Mr. Powell was uncertain about what his wife had been doing the last time he saw her but that she was 'on her way to bed.' "

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In the documents, Josh Powell also spoke about his father's obsession with Susan, telling CPS caseworkers he'd known about it for eight years, "but was only upset with his father for approximately two weeks after Steven Powell told him information about his obsession would be seen in the seized computers."

Josh called his father's attraction "not acceptable."

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In another encounter with a social worker, Powell choked back tears as he said "it isn't normal for a husband to lose his wife."

Manley, who evaluated Powell at the request of the courts, diagnosed him with an adjustment disorder with anxiety and a narcissistic personality disorder. He wrote that Powell has anxiety because of his wife's disappearance, Steven Powell's arrest and "obsession" with Susan, his separation from his children and the media circus surrounding the case.

"Psychological testing suggests Mr. Powell approached the tested administrations defensively. The resulting pattern of responses portrays someone free of common shortcomings to which most individuals will admit, and is somewhat reluctant to recognize faults or problems in himself."

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http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story
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« Reply #619 on: February 20, 2012, 08:45:31 AM »

Psychologist: Josh Powell had adjustment disorder, narcissistic personality disorder

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Powell told Manley that his wife was "OK with it," when he decided to take his children camping the night his wife disappeared, claiming her biggest concern was that the children be kept warm.

"He referenced that prior to leaving the family home he had 'washed' the couch and placed a fan nearby to dry it," Manley wrote. "He noted 'Susan did not like running machines. She would rather use scissors to trim the lawn instead of a weed whacker. We made an agreement, that I would wash the couch and she would shovel the walkway.' Mr. Powell was uncertain about what his wife had been doing the last time he saw her but that she was 'on her way to bed.' "

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In the documents, Josh Powell also spoke about his father's obsession with Susan, telling CPS caseworkers he'd known about it for eight years, "but was only upset with his father for approximately two weeks after Steven Powell told him information about his obsession would be seen in the seized computers."

Josh called his father's attraction "not acceptable."

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In another encounter with a social worker, Powell choked back tears as he said "it isn't normal for a husband to lose his wife."

Manley, who evaluated Powell at the request of the courts, diagnosed him with an adjustment disorder with anxiety and a narcissistic personality disorder. He wrote that Powell has anxiety because of his wife's disappearance, Steven Powell's arrest and "obsession" with Susan, his separation from his children and the media circus surrounding the case.

"Psychological testing suggests Mr. Powell approached the tested administrations defensively. The resulting pattern of responses portrays someone free of common shortcomings to which most individuals will admit, and is somewhat reluctant to recognize faults or problems in himself."

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http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story


http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story
 
Reading between the lines, this tells me Josh made Susan do heavy work, like shoveling the driveway.  I wonder if she had to cut the lawn by hand?  Somewhere in the statements is some truth, I think.  There are lies, but some truths in there.   I don't believe Susan would have okayed Josh taking the boys out camping that cold wintry night

Isn't it just sick about the part where Josh says he knew about Steve's obsession with Susan for eight years, but was only upset with him for two weeks because evidence of his obsession would be seen on the seized computers?!  Sick!!  
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