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« Reply #620 on: February 20, 2012, 10:02:49 AM »

Psychologist: Josh Powell had adjustment disorder, narcissistic personality disorder

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Powell told Manley that his wife was "OK with it," when he decided to take his children camping the night his wife disappeared, claiming her biggest concern was that the children be kept warm.

"He referenced that prior to leaving the family home he had 'washed' the couch and placed a fan nearby to dry it," Manley wrote. "He noted 'Susan did not like running machines. She would rather use scissors to trim the lawn instead of a weed whacker. We made an agreement, that I would wash the couch and she would shovel the walkway.' Mr. Powell was uncertain about what his wife had been doing the last time he saw her but that she was 'on her way to bed.' "

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In the documents, Josh Powell also spoke about his father's obsession with Susan, telling CPS caseworkers he'd known about it for eight years, "but was only upset with his father for approximately two weeks after Steven Powell told him information about his obsession would be seen in the seized computers."

Josh called his father's attraction "not acceptable."

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In another encounter with a social worker, Powell choked back tears as he said "it isn't normal for a husband to lose his wife."

Manley, who evaluated Powell at the request of the courts, diagnosed him with an adjustment disorder with anxiety and a narcissistic personality disorder. He wrote that Powell has anxiety because of his wife's disappearance, Steven Powell's arrest and "obsession" with Susan, his separation from his children and the media circus surrounding the case.

"Psychological testing suggests Mr. Powell approached the tested administrations defensively. The resulting pattern of responses portrays someone free of common shortcomings to which most individuals will admit, and is somewhat reluctant to recognize faults or problems in himself."

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http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story


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Reading between the lines, this tells me Josh made Susan do heavy work, like shoveling the driveway.  I wonder if she had to cut the lawn by hand?  Somewhere in the statements is some truth, I think.  There are lies, but some truths in there.   I don't believe Susan would have okayed Josh taking the boys out camping that cold wintry night

Isn't it just sick about the part where Josh says he knew about Steve's obsession with Susan for eight years, but was only upset with him for two weeks because evidence of his obsession would be seen on the seized computers?!  Sick!!  

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« Reply #621 on: February 20, 2012, 10:44:44 AM »

Sick and scary.  It sounds like that house was a living horror for Susan and the boys.
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« Reply #622 on: February 20, 2012, 11:22:09 AM »

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story

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Josh Powell was denied custody of his children for another six months and ordered to take a polygraph and psychosexual evaluation. Less than a week later, he killed himself and his sons.
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i think the testing ordered threw Josh over the threshold b/c he knew he would never get the boys back after the polygraph test.

Not only would he be questioned about Susan, but questioned about any incestuous relationships he might have had with his boys and/or within his own family.

 
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« Reply #623 on: February 20, 2012, 11:56:02 AM »

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story

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Josh Powell was denied custody of his children for another six months and ordered to take a polygraph and psychosexual evaluation. Less than a week later, he killed himself and his sons.
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i think the testing ordered threw Josh over the threshold b/c he knew he would never get the boys back after the polygraph test.

Not only would he be questioned about Susan, but questioned about any incestuous relationships he might have had with his boys and/or within his own family.

 

I think you're right about Josh's motivation to kill the boys and himself at the particular time that he did.  He must have known that he was on the verge of being found out--his whole ugly, obscene life.

I wonder why most social services dealing with children have the philosophy that the goal should always be to reunite the child with his/her biological family.  In most cases it is the action of the biological family which put the child at risk in the first place.  I think the goal should be to place a child where they are safest and happiest, even if it be with strangers.  I think these two beautiful children were not considered as most important, but some abstract goal was what was important, the goal being to reunite them with their father.  I wonder what ever became of common sense.  I miss it.
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« Reply #624 on: February 20, 2012, 11:59:50 AM »

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« Reply #625 on: February 20, 2012, 12:34:43 PM »

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story

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Josh Powell was denied custody of his children for another six months and ordered to take a polygraph and psychosexual evaluation. Less than a week later, he killed himself and his sons.
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i think the testing ordered threw Josh over the threshold b/c he knew he would never get the boys back after the polygraph test.

Not only would he be questioned about Susan, but questioned about any incestuous relationships he might have had with his boys and/or within his own family.

 

I think you're right about Josh's motivation to kill the boys and himself at the particular time that he did.  He must have known that he was on the verge of being found out--his whole ugly, obscene life.

I wonder why most social services dealing with children have the philosophy that the goal should always be to reunite the child with his/her biological family.  In most cases it is the action of the biological family which put the child at risk in the first place.  I think the goal should be to place a child where they are safest and happiest, even if it be with strangers.  I think these two beautiful children were not considered as most important, but some abstract goal was what was important, the goal being to reunite them with their father.  I wonder what ever became of common sense.  I miss it.
I agree Babybear.  The goal was not what was best for the children.  This reuniting philosophy has got to stop as it often turns deadly for the children.
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« Reply #626 on: February 20, 2012, 12:51:49 PM »

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story

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Josh Powell was denied custody of his children for another six months and ordered to take a polygraph and psychosexual evaluation. Less than a week later, he killed himself and his sons.
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i think the testing ordered threw Josh over the threshold b/c he knew he would never get the boys back after the polygraph test.

Not only would he be questioned about Susan, but questioned about any incestuous relationships he might have had with his boys and/or within his own family.

 
And to add more horror to the mountain of horrors, it would mean he was fully aware that whatever he/they were doing to Susan and the boys (and probably many others) was sick , deviant, perverted, etc.  It also would mean that he chose to be that way.
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« Reply #627 on: February 20, 2012, 03:05:46 PM »

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Powell told Manley that his wife was "OK with it," when he decided to take his children camping the night his wife disappeared, claiming her biggest concern was that the children be kept warm.

"He referenced that prior to leaving the family home he had 'washed' the couch and placed a fan nearby to dry it," Manley wrote. "He noted 'Susan did not like running machines. She would rather use scissors to trim the lawn instead of a weed whacker. We made an agreement, that I would wash the couch and she would shovel the walkway.' Mr. Powell was uncertain about what his wife had been doing the last time he saw her but that she was 'on her way to bed.' "

Susan Cox Powell's parents have taken issue with Powell's version of events.

"I think everybody knows you don't go camping in the middle of the night in a snowstorm," Chuck Cox told FOX 13 the day after the murder-suicide. "And when the husband fixes a meal for the family and all of a sudden, somebody's sick..."

Asked if he believed Susan was poisoned, Chuck and Judy Cox said "anything's possible."

"Or drugged," Chuck Cox said. "Or something."

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http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story

Josh's story has holes big enough to climb through.

Now, the RED stain on the carpet that Susan stayed home to clean becomes a stained couch that Josh cleaned before he went camping.

Other reports note that Susan went to bed after dinner b/c she became sick at dinner. But Josh says here Susan was going to go to bed and let him take the kids camping.  And she agreed to shovel the snow, even though she was ill?

And IMO, not only was Josh scared of taking a polygraph test b/c of sexual perversions with his family, and abuse of Susan and the kids, he was scared because they would question him about Susan's disappearance/murder.

He was damned if he told the truth, and caught lying if he didn't.  There was no way he was going to get his boys back.

Why didn't CPS restrict his privileges until after the testing was complete?  Couldn't they see they had him in the glare of the headlights?
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« Reply #628 on: February 20, 2012, 05:41:29 PM »

Of course, the only evidence to prove that Josh went camping is his own word. Was there camping equipment anywhere in that van? If so, was it wet and slushy because of the snow all over the place that night?

I remember the winter of 2009 started early and was extremely cold. Snow and freezing alerts were issued due to storms in the area. Storms that lasted for at least two whole days. Where did he REALLY go that he ended up with frostbitten nose/cheeks and hands, but the children did not. Where were the children when they were supposed to be camping?

The van he drove that night, and any of his cars, should've had dirt and mud on wheels and undercarriage to point to where he really had been that night.

It would be nice for the sheriff's office to release all that is known in the case, since it should be considered closed. Steve may have helped after the fact, but we know who in the family was crazy enough to do what was done.

Maybe with the released information more witnesses will come out.

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« Reply #629 on: February 20, 2012, 09:12:10 PM »

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/josh-powell-dshs-documents-what-they-reveal-part-2-josh-was-narcicistic
Josh Powell DSHS documents: What they reveal (Part 2 – Child porn, dysfunction)
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« Reply #630 on: February 20, 2012, 10:10:53 PM »

more at the links

Listen: DSHS defends the handling of Josh Powell case
http://kiroradio.com/listen/38928/#

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97.3 KIRO FM reporter Brandi Kruse live from Chuck & Judy Cox's house
http://kiroradio.com/listen/38789/

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« Reply #631 on: February 20, 2012, 10:14:24 PM »

DSHS defends its handling of Josh Powell case
http://mynorthwest.com/11/625067/Senator-Roach-Utah-warned-DSHS-about-Powell

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Did police in Utah warn authorities in Washington that Josh Powell's children were in danger?
 State Senator Pam Roach, R-Auburn, wants to know specifically what information police in West Valley City, Utah provided to Washington's Department of Social and Health Services, but DSHS says there is nothing they could have done to stop Josh Powell from seeing his two boys.
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"We would have taken action if there would have been any information about physical harm toward the children by Joshua Powell or any suicidal thoughts," Sherry Hill with DSHS, told 97.3 KIRO
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Senator Roach has submitted a request for communication between Utah police and DSHS under public disclosure laws.
 
"I think we need to know what was sent from the state of Utah to Washington state and we will determine by the content whether or not there was a warning that was disregarded," said Roach.
 
The police chief in West Valley City, Utah issued a news release on Feb. 1, 2012, the day a judge in Tacoma denied Powell's latest request for custody of his two children. The press release stated, in part, that while investigating the disappearance of Powell's wife Susan in 2009, the department "discovered information specifically related to their children's welfare."
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« Reply #632 on: February 20, 2012, 10:45:12 PM »

Brent Hunsaker - Debate over documents released in Powell case
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"Mr Hunsaker, at this point, what was the reasoning for reporting on the images found on Powell's computer? What was the point of sharing that information, especially at this point? What were you trying to trying to prove? He was unstable? That was obvious when he made the horrible choice to blow up his house with himself and his two boys in it, I didn't see the point of your piece. It was sensationalistic, in bad taste and you are continuing to tear off the band-aid on a wound many people need to start healing. What the images were would have had no bearing on where Susan may be and that's the only issue left now. Your piece was in poor taste, very 'seedy,' and left a bad taste in my mouth."

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Julie, here's my response:

"The point" is actually a question: Could the deaths of Charlie and Braden Powell have been prevented?
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What's more, when were those images discovered on Josh Powell's computer? Were they from a computer confiscated by West Valley police during the initial searches in December of 2009, or more recently in the September 2011 raid on Steven Powell's house in Puyallup, Washington?

The "when" is important. It will help answer the question of why the boys were allowed to stay with their father up to a year and a half after their mother had disappeared under suspicious circumstances.
http://www.abc4.com/content/about_4/blogs/story/Brent-Hunsaker-Debate-over-documents-released-in/ly47hwrAIEelbZmB_YQWIQ.cspx
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« Reply #633 on: February 21, 2012, 02:49:35 AM »

Brent Hunsaker - Debate over documents released in Powell case
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"Mr Hunsaker, at this point, what was the reasoning for reporting on the images found on Powell's computer? What was the point of sharing that information, especially at this point? What were you trying to trying to prove? He was unstable? That was obvious when he made the horrible choice to blow up his house with himself and his two boys in it, I didn't see the point of your piece. It was sensationalistic, in bad taste and you are continuing to tear off the band-aid on a wound many people need to start healing. What the images were would have had no bearing on where Susan may be and that's the only issue left now. Your piece was in poor taste, very 'seedy,' and left a bad taste in my mouth."

- Julie
Julie, here's my response:

"The point" is actually a question: Could the deaths of Charlie and Braden Powell have been prevented?
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What's more, when were those images discovered on Josh Powell's computer? Were they from a computer confiscated by West Valley police during the initial searches in December of 2009, or more recently in the September 2011 raid on Steven Powell's house in Puyallup, Washington?

The "when" is important.
It will help answer the question of why the boys were allowed to stay with their father up to a year and a half after their mother had disappeared under suspicious circumstances.
http://www.abc4.com/content/about_4/blogs/story/Brent-Hunsaker-Debate-over-documents-released-in/ly47hwrAIEelbZmB_YQWIQ.cspx

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More information about 'incestuous' images on Powell computer

 

Investigators said Friday that images found on Josh Powell's computer more than two years ago were initially in a file format difficult to open, but once that was accomplished, officials found realistic-looking animations that depicted incestuous scenarios and child pornography.

 

"It's of adults and kids, and it appears to be a family setting, but it becomes sexually involved with all the characters," Troyer said.

 

Those images came up during a custody hearing a week and a half ago, when the 29-year-old Powell was ordered to undergo a psychosexual evaluation and lie detector test.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/comforter-found-powell-storage-unit-be-tested/nHZZJ/
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  Still makes me mad! Their deaths were positively preventable.

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« Reply #634 on: February 21, 2012, 08:41:53 AM »

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-susan-powell-susan-powells-family-contemplates-lawsuit-20120220,0,3408817.story
Susan Powell's family contemplates lawsuit
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PUYALLUP, Washington—
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The family of missing West Valley City mother Susan Cox Powell acknowledged Monday they were contemplating a lawsuit against Washington authorities over the child custody case that led to the murder-suicide involving her children.

"Right now, we need to figure out exactly where the blame lays," Chuck Cox told FOX 13.

Cox cautioned that talk of a lawsuit is premature and there were no immediate plans for any litigation.

"There's a lot of questions about how they could have allowed visitation, knowing what they knew about Josh," he said.
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« Reply #635 on: February 21, 2012, 09:01:35 AM »

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-susan-powell-susan-powells-family-contemplates-lawsuit-20120220,0,3408817.story
Susan Powell's family contemplates lawsuit
Ben Winslow FOX 13 News
9:47 p.m. MST, February 20, 2012
PUYALLUP, Washington—
Video at link.

The family of missing West Valley City mother Susan Cox Powell acknowledged Monday they were contemplating a lawsuit against Washington authorities over the child custody case that led to the murder-suicide involving her children.

"Right now, we need to figure out exactly where the blame lays," Chuck Cox told FOX 13.

Cox cautioned that talk of a lawsuit is premature and there were no immediate plans for any litigation.

"There's a lot of questions about how they could have allowed visitation, knowing what they knew about Josh," he said.
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If it leads to changes in the system and prevents this type of thing from happening again, I say more power to them.  The Coxes are now the poster family for system failure. 
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« Reply #636 on: February 21, 2012, 09:04:38 AM »

I'd like to see answers to the following?

So, who exactly hacked the files and when? 

The sad fact is that both WA & UT agencies knew those kids were in danger.  Did the Coxes have any legal right (as grandparents and as interested parties to the custody of the kids) to know what the investigation turned up?
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« Reply #637 on: February 21, 2012, 10:24:11 AM »

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story

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Josh Powell was denied custody of his children for another six months and ordered to take a polygraph and psychosexual evaluation. Less than a week later, he killed himself and his sons.
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i think the testing ordered threw Josh over the threshold b/c he knew he would never get the boys back after the polygraph test.

Not only would he be questioned about Susan, but questioned about any incestuous relationships he might have had with his boys and/or within his own family.

 

I think you're right about Josh's motivation to kill the boys and himself at the particular time that he did.  He must have known that he was on the verge of being found out--his whole ugly, obscene life.

I wonder why most social services dealing with children have the philosophy that the goal should always be to reunite the child with his/her biological family.  In most cases it is the action of the biological family which put the child at risk in the first place.  I think the goal should be to place a child where they are safest and happiest, even if it be with strangers.  I think these two beautiful children were not considered as most important, but some abstract goal was what was important, the goal being to reunite them with their father.  I wonder what ever became of common sense.  I miss it.
I agree Babybear.  The goal was not what was best for the children.  This reuniting philosophy has got to stop as it often turns deadly for the children.

The mantra of family unification comes from the laws of the state.  According to that statute, parents of children have primary (almost absolute) control of their offspring.  To take this right away, it must be proven that the children are in "immediate" danger.  For example, a parent may threaten to kill his child, however, unless the parent is standing over the child with a butcher knife, the child is not in immediate danger. Yes, I know it is crazy and I have fought this Idiotic premise more than one. 

Also the DHFS, or whatever it is called in your state, works from the bottom up.  The caseworker sees a perceived problem.  They cannot do anything on their own, the must call their supervisor.  Depending on the action that the caseworker wants to take, the supervisor may have to call their supervisor and so on and so on. 

And finally, DCFS always has to get approval from the court to take the child from the parent, unless it is a voluntary placement.  Under emergency circumstances, they may remove the child and then get the judge's approval, but they always have to get the judge's signature.  That means the parents have a right to present their case in court and if they don't have the money for an attorney, one will be provided for them.  DCFS hates to get involved in these types of cases because there are three attorney's being paid for by the state:  DCFS's attorney, the child's attorney ad litem, and  the parent's attorney. 

The DCFS system sucks even though there are a few good workers, especially at the lowest end of the spectrum.  Unfortunately most of these people get fed up with the bureaucracy, low pay, and general bs, and leave with 18 months.  So this is the way the most precious and vulnerable of our population is treated.  Sad but true.   
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« Reply #638 on: February 21, 2012, 01:11:01 PM »

In light of all that has been made public, that Utah LE 'held back' from Washington LE, knew about, yet allowed Josh to leave the state with those two boys.. (because they didn't have enuff evidence to prevent that.. BS!).. am thinking that Susan's parents have plenty to stand on if they were to bring wrongful death charges etc against Utah LE.  And seeing that Washington LE did (even if after 2 years) finally receive what Utah LE had been holding back for so long... yet still allowed Josh to have "supervised" visits with his sons... Susan's parents could file wrongful death charges etc against Washington LE and Family Services as well.  IMO. 

And as heartwarming as it appears to be, that this has caught the attention of a Senator in Washington, who is 'looking into' the whole matter... one just has to wonder if she is only doing so because the whole world is watching.  Here's hoping she would still have investigated things even if the media wasn't relaying her every move and concern. 

One also has to wonder how many OTHER children in that area and elsewhere have slipped thru the cracks of the system, being further abused and perhaps have died.. all due to the inaction and/or carelessness of LE and/or Family Services. 

I am a survivor of severe childhood abuse, born and living in the Pacific NW, while Oregon/Washington LE and Family Services knew, but looked the other way.  Not only that, but 'part of' the abuse itself.  Which is why they looked the other way.  Perhaps there are 'good cops', 'good social workers', 'good doctors/lawyers/clergy/etc', in Portland and Washington.  There must be.  But I wouldn't trust leaving a goldfish into their care.  Nope.  For one thing, there is a huge major cult in that area, and others, that LE knows about, yet does nothing.  Things haven't changed much in the last 55 years.  Children still go missing, are still being abused, are still dying.  And those of us who do survive, by one miracle or another, continue to cringe, as each new child is abused/killed and LE either does nothing meaningful to either prevent it, or bring justice for them. 

This will keep happening until society as a whole gets sick and tired of children being treated this way.  One survivor alone cannot bring change.  WE all, across America and beyond, need to take a stand together, and say....... Enough! 

IMO. 


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« Reply #639 on: February 21, 2012, 01:14:32 PM »

http://susanpowell.org/Outsiders/Chuck-Cox-official-spokespersons/Jennifer-Kirk-Graves-ousted-from-family-hysterical-behavior

This is a page of mis-information from SusanPowell.org about Jennifer Graves.

Apparently,  Jennifer disowned her father 20 years prior.  And Terri Powell was still co-dependent with her ex and her children.

Lots of pictures and what looks to be one of Steve & Terri Powell and 2 young children.

Now that the sicko is imprisoned and Josh has done what he's done... I cannot help but wonder why the site is still up. I mean, who is helping SP keep it up or if it's just him doing it, how is he able to do it? I hope someone strong arms whoever is behind it to take it down.

I hope Jennifer plans to stay far away from that scary bunch for safety's sake. No one is safe around those people.
Brother Michael is behind that sick site, imo.  He and Alina are going to defend the monsters as long as they have breath.

Is there any way we can have it removed? Anyone know? I know nothing about this area. How do we find out who is allowing them to keep that ugly site up? Maybe we can petition their server? I'm technically challenged as you can tell. That site has got to go.
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