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« Reply #700 on: February 27, 2012, 07:15:18 PM »

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/crime-writer-ann-rule-plans-to-write-susan-cox-powell-s-story
Crime writer Ann Rule plans to write Susan Cox Powell’s story
Isabelle Zehnder
February 25, 2012

PUYALLUP, Washington (Isabelle Zehnder reporting) -- Crime writer Ann Rule announced last week that she will be publishing a book about Susan Cox Powell, the young West Valley City, Utah mom who went missing in Dec. 2009.
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Susan’s father, Chuck Cox, wants to make it clear that he and his wife do not wish to profit from the book. Rule made a contribution to the Susan Cox Powell Foundation, and any other money entitled to the family will be used to advance the foundation’s mission, Chuck said.
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Chuck says he is in support of the book because he believes it will bring attention to his daughter’s case. He wants people to know what went wrong during the investigation into Susan’s disappearance as well as shortcomings by Washington child welfare agencies. He believes those shortcomings include emphasis on family reunification over the safety of children.
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« Reply #701 on: February 27, 2012, 08:35:11 PM »

Steven Powell is foolish in taking the 5th.  In his arrogance, he thinks he's "protected", but fellow prisoners aren't going to see it that way. His offenses don't warrant solitary confinement for his own protection either. He's up a creek without a canoe, much less a paddle. In the court of jailhouse justice, he's likely already been pronounced guilty and sentenced to death.  His best bet is to give up Susan's remains or the location, in exchange for a lighter sentence. General population inmates serving life without parole have little to lose. It would be considered a notch in someone's belt to "take care of Steven Powell".  Steven thinks he's so smart, playing his little game. In reality, he's likely signing his own death warrant. Hopefully, he'll be put in a cell with a number of inmates who will prevent any and all suicide attempts. I wouldn't want him to take the easy way out, leaving Susan out there, like his cowardly offspring.  Just my own opinions.
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« Reply #702 on: February 28, 2012, 08:34:06 AM »

because JP was so self centered,among other perverse personality
traits,and i always believed,he never went as far as he said he
did,and the sighting in sandy utah,seems to prove that,JP could
not have gone to tooele camp and kill,bury,or hide in a mine and
show up for BKF at 6am
anyway ive been looking and found this,a 98 and a 08 map of(large
mines and permits and plants in utah),there is a mine above utah
lake named powell,the 98 map says no letter after name so it was
active in 98,the 08 map shows the mine inactive,the mine was mined
for precious metals,ive not found it on a map yet,and a mine named
old susan mine

1998
http://utah.ptfs.com/Data/Library2/publications/lr000128.pdf
2008
http://geology.utah.gov/online/ofr/ofr-515.pdf

old susan mine
http://itouchmap.com/?d=1430991&s=UT&f=mine

drive to west valley from mine
76.5 mi (about 1 hour 45 mins)
http://itouchmap.com/?
t=west+valley+utah&l=en&submit=Get+Directions&st=l2&m=y&f=Old+Susan+Mine&ml
f=39.8580057&mgf=-112.1118891


WV to old susan mine
http://tinyurl.com/7f6cxn3

close up of mine
http://tinyurl.com/7ydgm8v

more mines
http://itouchmap.com/?f=mine&s=UT&a1=&start=1
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« Reply #703 on: February 28, 2012, 08:34:11 AM »

Steven Powell is foolish in taking the 5th.  In his arrogance, he thinks he's "protected", but fellow prisoners aren't going to see it that way. His offenses don't warrant solitary confinement for his own protection either. He's up a creek without a canoe, much less a paddle. In the court of jailhouse justice, he's likely already been pronounced guilty and sentenced to death.  His best bet is to give up Susan's remains or the location, in exchange for a lighter sentence. General population inmates serving life without parole have little to lose. It would be considered a notch in someone's belt to "take care of Steven Powell".  Steven thinks he's so smart, playing his little game. In reality, he's likely signing his own death warrant. Hopefully, he'll be put in a cell with a number of inmates who will prevent any and all suicide attempts. I wouldn't want him to take the easy way out, leaving Susan out there, like his cowardly offspring.  Just my own opinions.
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« Reply #704 on: February 28, 2012, 09:45:57 AM »

because JP was so self centered,among other perverse personality
traits,and i always believed,he never went as far as he said he
did,and the sighting in sandy utah,seems to prove that,JP could
not have gone to tooele camp and kill,bury,or hide in a mine and
show up for BKF at 6am
anyway ive been looking and found this,a 98 and a 08 map of(large
mines and permits and plants in utah),there is a mine above utah
lake named powell,the 98 map says no letter after name so it was
active in 98,the 08 map shows the mine inactive,the mine was mined
for precious metals,ive not found it on a map yet,and a mine named
old susan mine

1998
http://utah.ptfs.com/Data/Library2/publications/lr000128.pdf
2008
http://geology.utah.gov/online/ofr/ofr-515.pdf

old susan mine
http://itouchmap.com/?d=1430991&s=UT&f=mine

drive to west valley from mine
76.5 mi (about 1 hour 45 mins)
http://itouchmap.com/?
t=west+valley+utah&l=en&submit=Get+Directions&st=l2&m=y&f=Old+Susan+Mine&ml
f=39.8580057&mgf=-112.1118891


WV to old susan mine
http://tinyurl.com/7f6cxn3

close up of mine
http://tinyurl.com/7ydgm8v

more mines
http://itouchmap.com/?f=mine&s=UT&a1=&start=1

Interesting.  I wonder if those places have been searched.  I agree with you that maggot man probably didn't go where he told LE.  He lied about everything else, why would he be honest on this point.   
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« Reply #705 on: February 28, 2012, 09:50:42 AM »

Steven Powell is foolish in taking the 5th.  In his arrogance, he thinks he's "protected", but fellow prisoners aren't going to see it that way. His offenses don't warrant solitary confinement for his own protection either. He's up a creek without a canoe, much less a paddle. In the court of jailhouse justice, he's likely already been pronounced guilty and sentenced to death.  His best bet is to give up Susan's remains or the location, in exchange for a lighter sentence. General population inmates serving life without parole have little to lose. It would be considered a notch in someone's belt to "take care of Steven Powell".  Steven thinks he's so smart, playing his little game. In reality, he's likely signing his own death warrant. Hopefully, he'll be put in a cell with a number of inmates who will prevent any and all suicide attempts. I wouldn't want him to take the easy way out, leaving Susan out there, like his cowardly offspring.  Just my own opinions.

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« Reply #706 on: February 28, 2012, 09:54:26 AM »

Steven Powell is foolish in taking the 5th.  In his arrogance, he thinks he's "protected", but fellow prisoners aren't going to see it that way. His offenses don't warrant solitary confinement for his own protection either. He's up a creek without a canoe, much less a paddle. In the court of jailhouse justice, he's likely already been pronounced guilty and sentenced to death.  His best bet is to give up Susan's remains or the location, in exchange for a lighter sentence. General population inmates serving life without parole have little to lose. It would be considered a notch in someone's belt to "take care of Steven Powell".  Steven thinks he's so smart, playing his little game. In reality, he's likely signing his own death warrant. Hopefully, he'll be put in a cell with a number of inmates who will prevent any and all suicide attempts. I wouldn't want him to take the easy way out, leaving Susan out there, like his cowardly offspring.  Just my own opinions.

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I don't want any inmate taking him out before he tells what he knows about Susan's whereabouts.  Let;s hope that the inmates can get the truth out of him.
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« Reply #707 on: February 28, 2012, 09:54:36 AM »


anyway ive been looking and found this,a 98 and a 08 map of(large
mines and permits and plants in utah),there is a mine above utah
lake named powell,the 98 map says no letter after name so it was
active in 98,the 08 map shows the mine inactive,the mine was mined
for precious metals,ive not found it on a map yet,and a mine named
old susan mine

JP may have been arrogant enough to have placed Susan in either of these mines!

Have you turned your research over to authorities?
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« Reply #708 on: February 28, 2012, 03:28:15 PM »

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JP may have been arrogant enough to have placed Susan in either of these mines!
Have you turned your research over to authorities?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12009.msg1511320#msg1511320

i did,not sure if LE will look,who knows,they didnt give the needed info, quick enough to
  prevent the boys death,i stll cant get over them,keeping that info,even after SP was
busted. i think SP helped josh with susan too,JP had 2 small boys,and maybe a dead susan
at the time,seems some help was needed,thats prob why SP,pleads the 5th
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« Reply #709 on: February 28, 2012, 03:59:35 PM »

because JP was so self centered,among other perverse personality
traits,and i always believed,he never went as far as he said he
did,and the sighting in sandy utah,seems to prove that,JP could
not have gone to tooele camp and kill,bury,or hide in a mine and
show up for BKF at 6am
anyway ive been looking and found this,a 98 and a 08 map of(large
mines and permits and plants in utah),there is a mine above utah
lake named powell,the 98 map says no letter after name so it was
active in 98,the 08 map shows the mine inactive,the mine was mined
for precious metals,ive not found it on a map yet,and a mine named
old susan mine

1998
http://utah.ptfs.com/Data/Library2/publications/lr000128.pdf
2008
http://geology.utah.gov/online/ofr/ofr-515.pdf

old susan mine
http://itouchmap.com/?d=1430991&s=UT&f=mine

drive to west valley from mine
76.5 mi (about 1 hour 45 mins)
http://itouchmap.com/?
t=west+valley+utah&l=en&submit=Get+Directions&st=l2&m=y&f=Old+Susan+Mine&ml
f=39.8580057&mgf=-112.1118891


WV to old susan mine
http://tinyurl.com/7f6cxn3

close up of mine
http://tinyurl.com/7ydgm8v

more mines
http://itouchmap.com/?f=mine&s=UT&a1=&start=1

CW--That's really good research.  JP is perverse enough to place Susan in the "Old Susan" mine or the "Powell" mine.  I hope LE is as sharp as you are and has searched both locations.
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« Reply #710 on: February 29, 2012, 09:48:38 AM »

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JP may have been arrogant enough to have placed Susan in either of these mines!
Have you turned your research over to authorities?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12009.msg1511320#msg1511320

i did,not sure if LE will look,who knows,they didnt give the needed info, quick enough to
  prevent the boys death,i stll cant get over them,keeping that info,even after SP was
busted. i think SP helped josh with susan too,JP had 2 small boys,and maybe a dead susan
at the time,seems some help was needed,thats prob why SP,pleads the 5th

I'm glad you gave the info to LE.  They'd be remiss not to follow up in it.

What about also sending the info to the Cox family?  Maybe they could pressure a search or have it searched on their own.  I wonder if TES would be interested in this info?
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« Reply #711 on: February 29, 2012, 12:15:57 PM »

This old NG transcript about the mine search is interesting to reread in light of what we now know.....

Utah Cops and Volunteers Search Abandoned Mine Shaft for Susan Powell

Aired October 7, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Utah, the mystery surrounding the sudden disappearance of a gorgeous young stockbroker, mother of two, 28-year-old Susan Powell, last seen when Daddy suddenly announces, midnight on a Sunday night, he`s taking her boys, ages 4 and 2, camping in the snow. Repeat, camping, midnight, freezing temperatures. Then Daddy says when they get back home Mommy`s gone, vanished.

Bombshell tonight. The search for Susan Powell back on after explosive reports a 4-year-old boy says, quote, "Mommy`s in the mine, looking for crystals." At this hour, as we go to air, search teams scouring abandoned mine shafts near the family home, as we learn husband/Daddy was obsessed with TV crime shows. He informs a key witness that a deep, dark mine shaft is the single best place to dispose of a body. Is the body of 28-year-old mother of two Susan Powell waiting to be discovered, buried deep in one of the thousands of abandoned mines in just a few miles radius of the family`s Utah home?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A search.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A search.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Search teams have been scouring.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: An abandoned mine.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Twelve-hundred-foot drop.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Searching for a missing mom of two.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Susan Cox Powell.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The 28-year-old Powell.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Susan Powell simply disappeared without a trace.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The husband said.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Josh`s story.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He and their two kids.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Camping.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were on a camping trip.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is that where you were camping?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say the case is very suspicious.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) suspicious.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t do anything. I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know where she`s at.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We just miss her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s somewhere.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s somewhere.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s somewhere.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you have any idea what happened to her?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Live, Utah, the search for mother of two 28- year-old Susan Powell back on after explosive reports her 4-year-old little boy says, quote, "Mommy`s in the mine, looking for crystals."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you have any idea what happened to her?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She just went to bed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Searches for Susan Powell now in high gear.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) close to West Valley.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Volunteer searchers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Carefully inspecting old silver mines.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say it`s a likely place where Susan Cox Powell may be.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Crawling through smaller tunnels, doing small rapels.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Twelve hundred feet down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve got some other shafts we need to search.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Twenty-eight-year-old Powell simply disappeared from her home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In the middle of the night.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A lot of times, I just go camping with my boys overnight.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) confused.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "The National Enquirer" reports one of Susan Powell`s young sons allegedly blurted out, Mommy is in the mine, looking for crystals.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My boys love her. They`ve been doing good, as far as I can tell.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Reports also reveal Josh Powell allegedly told a friend.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s somewhere.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The best place to dispose of a body would be a deep, dark mine shaft.

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But right now, we are headed back, headed back to Susan Powell. Is there finally a break in the case? We all know that she is reported missing when her husband gets back from a, let me say, impromptu camping trip at midnight, in freezing temperatures. He says he gets home and she`s gone.

Now we learn a neighbor, a key witness in this case, says the husband is a crime story freak and has often discussed the best way to hide a dead body. Now the 4-year-old little boy, in an explosive revelation, says that, "Mommy is in the mine, looking for crystals."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The 28-year-old Powell simply disappeared from her home, leaving her cell phone and car behind.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: While there are reports the couple was in marriage counseling, family and friends say Susan would never leave her children. Police executed a search warrant on the home and say they`re conducting forensic testing on items taken during the alleged search.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Straight out to the calls. And first to Jim Kirkwood with KTKK News Radio. What can you tell me, Jim?

JIM KIRKWOOD, KTKK NEWS RADIO (VIA TELEPHONE): Nancy, you`re quite right. This is a bombshell. The police have been holding this one close to their vest, and finally it`s leaked out. There is a group here, the Mojave Group, that has been searching some of these caves. But some of these things are really deep, Nancy, I mean, really -- half a mile or more.

GRACE: OK, how many -- you`re seeing video -- well, you were seeing video of the mine shafts in which searchers are looking right now. This is after the 4-year-old little boy announces, "Mommy is in the mine, looking for crystals. We are just learning about this. The search is ongoing right now, search teams looking at mines within a few miles radius of Susan Cox Powell`s home.

To you, Jim Kirkwood, joining us, KTKK News Radio out of Salt Lake City. When did the little boy say this?

KIRKWOOD: Apparently, he said it right after everything happened. December 7th was when she went missing last year, so about 10 months ago. And he said it to police, but they -- they`ve done some searching, but I don`t think they have the budget to really look like they should.

GRACE: Everyone, right now, search teams going down in mines a few miles radius from Susan Cox Powell`s home. This is after her 4-year-old little boy announces, "Mommy is in the mine, looking for crystals." Is her body waiting to be discovered buried deep in one of these mines?

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New developments in the Susan Powell investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Twenty-eight-year-old Powell.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Susan.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Susan.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Simply disappeared from her home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nowhere to be found.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Without a trace.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New searches take place deep inside Utah mines.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So far, the group has looked inside abandoned mines near Dugway and Eureka.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`re close to West Valley. They`re centered around the area of Susan, where she went missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Reports also reveal Josh Powell.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We just miss her and we want her back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Allegedly told a friend at a 2008 Christmas party.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The best place to dispose of a body would be a deep, dark mine shaft.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s somewhere.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The latest mine searches using high-tech video.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`ve been trying to figure out what I can do, so I don`t sit idle.

CHUCK COX, MISSING WOMAN`S FATHER: It`s also frustrating that he`s not talking with the police and helping them find our daughter. I do believe he knows something he`s not telling us. And at this point, the -- the pointing the fingers at Joshua -- I don`t want to do that. At the same time, the person -- all his actions are inconsistent with somebody who cares about his wife, and so it gives me great pause.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: At this hour, search teams are scouring mines, mine shafts in the radius surrounding Susan Cox Powell`s home. This after her 4-year-old little boy says, "Mommy is in the mine, looking for crystals." Where did he get that?

Joining me right now and taking your calls, a very special guest, Chuck Cox. This is Susan Cox Powell`s father. He`s joining us from Puwalla (ph), Washington. Mr. Cox, thank you for being with us. What do you make of the mine searches?

COX (via telephone): Thank you, Nancy. Well, I`m glad they`re being done. I know the police have searched some mines, but I am glad people are willing to take the extra effort and take a really good look down the mines.

GRACE: Mr. Cox, is it true that the father, Joshua Powell, is not letting you see the children?

COX: Well, he`s asked that we only contact him via e-mail. We`ve requested to see the children. He hasn`t responded to our e-mail. The last time we saw them was on April 10th.

GRACE: That`s quite a while. Where are they living now?

COX: They`re still living with Joshua Powell, and I believe he`s living with his father.


GRACE: What about the home that he shared with Susan? Has it been sold?

COX: I don`t know.

GRACE: Do you have any contact with the little boys at all? Do you get to talk to them on the phone?

COX: No, not at all. They`ve asked that we don`t call the house and we don`t come by.

GRACE: Why?

COX: I don`t know. All I can think is, he doesn`t want us talking to them and he doesn`t want to face us or talk to us about anything.

GRACE: OK. Unleash the lawyers. We are taking your calls live. With me, Eleanor Odom, felony prosecutor, death penalty-qualified, Mickey Sherman, criminal defense attorney, author of "How Can You Defend Those People?" and Peter Odom, defense attorney, Atlanta.

Weigh in, Eleanor.

ELEANOR ODOM, PROSECUTOR: Well, Nancy, it`s really awful that the grandparents can`t see their child. They could go to superior court and ask for some visitation, and at the very least, have supervised visitation through the Department of Family and Children`s Services.

GRACE: OK, Peter Odom, get this picture. A Christmas party. Think about the Christmas parties that have you every year, everybody standing around, having punch, little cheese balls. And suddenly, Joshua Powell starts talking about the best place to hide a dead body, down a mine shaft. Ever heard that brought up at a Christmas party? Have you, Peter?

PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, I haven`t, Nancy. But let`s not condemn this man. If the police had enough evidence to arrest him for anything, they would have arrested him.

GRACE: Now, that`s not what I asked you!

PETER ODOM: Now, I`ll grant you...

GRACE: That`s not what I asked you!

PETER ODOM: And I answered your question. The answer is no. Now, this man`s actions are suspicious, I grant you that. But there`s not enough to arrest him for anything. And he has...

GRACE: Not yet.

PETER ODOM: ... no obligation to talk to the police.

GRACE: Mickey Sherman, a crime show aficionado spouting off where to hide a dead body -- you know, Mickey, in all the times you and I have ever discussed murder cases, crime cases on and off the air -- and it`s been more than I can count -- I don`t think there`s one time we sat down and said, Let`s plan the perfect murder and the perfect disposal of a body. That just doesn`t come up in normal conversation.

MICKEY SHERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It depends on how much alcohol we`ve had, frankly. But you know...

GRACE: I`m not kidding, Mickey!

SHERMAN: Well, you know, the problem is, talking about crime show stuff is not enough for an arrest warrant, and nor is the 4-year-old`s comment. It makes it a good starting point, but it doesn`t make you guilty.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Josh Powell says he took his two young sons camping in the middle of the night in freezing temperatures.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just go camping with my boys, you know, not anything big. I just go overnight.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When they left the house, that`s the last time Powell says he saw his wife, Susan.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t do anything.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search for Susan Powell is now in high gear.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know where she`s at.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Volunteer searchers carefully inspecting old silver mines. Police have yet to find Susan.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Out to Clark Goldband, our producer on the story. What more can you tell me about this mine search?

CLARK GOLDBAND, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, the two mines that we know that have been searched are silver mines. They`re about 20 to 50 miles away from where Powell went camping. We know they dropped a camera down these mine shafts, over 1,000 feet, searching for any clues that could potentially point to where Susan may be.

GRACE: Back to Jim Kirkwood, KTKK News Radio, joining us out of Salt Lake. Jim, at the time she went missing, did cops use canine, cadaver, bloodhound dogs? What, if anything, did they find?

KIRKWOOD: What they did was that -- if you remember, the carpet was up. It was wet, and they had fans on it and they took samples. They were looking for blood, arterial blood, that sort of thing. And they`ve never released what they found. Obviously, they didn`t find anything because they haven`t been able to proceed.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Speculation comes from Josh`s story that he took his 2 and 4-year-old sons camping in the freezing cold of the West Deserts on the night Susan disappeared from their West Valley home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We just miss her, and we want her back and -- and...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Do you have any idea what happened to her?

JOSHUA POWELL, HUSBAND OF MISSING MOM SUSAN COX-POWELL: No. Thank you. Any help to try to find her would be appreciated.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: West Valley Police say Joshua Powell remains their only person of interest in Susan`s disappearance.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Speculation comes from Josh`s story that he took his 2- and 4-year-old sons camping in the freezing cold of the west deserts on the night Susan disappeared from their West Valley home.

POWELL: A lot of times I just go camping with my boys. (INAUDIBLE), I just go overnight. And we do S`mores and stuff like that.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: I know there was quite a huge effort out in the west desert looking for any sign of her. Is that where you were camping?

POWELL: I just have to go get my boys.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: It was at the vigil, Susan and Josh`s hometown of (INAUDIBLE) that Josh arrived with one of their sons. Friends surprised he`d leave Utah during the investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would like to hear a credible story about -- I`d like to know the facts, what happened. What does he know, what does he not know. And if it clears him, that`s great because now we can get on to the main focus, which is where`s my daughter at?

POWELL: I didn`t do anything. I mean, I -- I don`t know where she`s at. I don`t even know where to start looking.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: As we go to air, tonight searchers scouring mine shafts within a radius, a small radius around the family`s home. Why? Because one of the little boys, the 4-year-old, says mommy is in the mine looking for crystals.

This explosive revelation has set searchers back into motion for Susan Cox-Powell, a gorgeous 28-year-old stockbroker, the mother of two.

Out to Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, author of "Dealbreakers."

Dr. Bethany, what does it mean that a child would say this? So far nothing that the twins -- my twins have said, who are almost 3, nothing that they say comes out of left field. There`s always a shred of a story, something they`ve seen, something they heard behind everything they say.

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": It tells me that this little boy`s dad Josh is trying to explain where mommy went after she died. It`s like the wife killer`s version of explaining death and heaven.

It seems like the dad was trying to explain his version of mommy`s somewhere else, she`s in heaven, she`s on a cloud. She`s overlooking you. When you see the stars twinkle, think about mommy.

Only because this dad had had homicidal ideation for so long, and we see it in his comments about the mine shaft, his love of crime shows, his love of camping, that he had thought about this for so long that it slipped out in the explanation to the child.

And I`m actually surprised given that they were in marital therapy that the therapist did not pick up on this homicidal ideation and issue a terror soft warning to the victim. Because as therapists we are required to do that. If a patient has homicidal ideation and there`s a reasonable threat, we must contact the police and the victim and issue a warning.

GRACE: To Susan`s father joining us tonight, Chuck Cox. Were they having marital problems? What do we know now?

CHUCK COX, FATHER OF MISSING MOM SUSAN POWELL: What we know now is confirmed basically that yes, they were having marital problems, but to everyone that I talked to, the last few months or so, or last month or so, it appeared that things were going to get better.

GRACE: Why?


COX: Well, because apparently at -- Susan had been trying very hard. And what we had heard that all of a sudden Josh had made some motions towards reconciliation or towards, OK, I want to be the husband you want me to be.

He started coming back to church. He started interacting more with Susan, but a little bit but it wasn`t -- right now in the wake of everything, we`re not sure that was just -- it wasn`t just a show.

GRACE: What were their problems, Mr. Cox? What were they fighting over?

COX: Well, I know they had financial difficulties for a while. That was an issue. My daughter could work any job and take care of herself financially. She was basically providing the financial support for the family.


And Josh just wanted to do what he wanted to do, and then towards even raising the kids, you know, when do they go to bed? When -- how late can they stay up and taking care of them, because all I ever observed, my daughter was the only one that provided care for the children. And with absolutely no help from her husband.

So if he had made any motion toward, you know, helping, she would have welcomed that with open arms and considered that he was going to make a change in the way the relationship was.

GRACE: Mr. Cox, when you say Josh, you`re referring to Josh Powell.

COX: Yes.


GRACE: He has not been charged in this case as of now. When you said Josh did -- he would do what he wanted to do, what did he want to do all the time?

COX: Just working on his computer most of the time, or whatever his latest idea was. I mean, he would --

GRACE: What do you mean by that, his latest idea?

COX: Well, he would get involved in things. He would be interested in building a computer or maybe if he was going to -- when they were going to purchase a car, he would do a lot of research and work on that.


One time he wanted to be an accountant and he was on that. And he likes taking pictures, and all of a sudden he was into that. So whatever his current thing he was interested in, that`s what he would focus on.

GRACE: Mr. Cox, can I ask you something? Was he making any money at any of this?

COX: Well, the only thing I know of that was a possibility he was doing fairly well, I thought, coming along as a real estate agent for a while. And then recently he did get the job through a temporary agency working -- maintaining a Web site, and then evidently he got hired on by a trucking firm there in Utah full time, maintaining their Web site. So -- and then I understand he was actually -- had a potential of a stable job, an income.


GRACE: Yes, because all this being on the computer all day and night, unless you`re bringing home a paycheck, forget about it.

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As a matter of fact, I`ve got Susan`s father with me.

Mr. Cox, has he ever divulged exactly where he went camping?

COX: No, he hasn`t. Not at all.

GRACE: Well, see, right there, that doesn`t make any sense. And isn`t it true, Mr. Cox, that you have been back to the area and Boy Scouts have stated they tried to go camping in that area that very weekend they could not go because of the weather?

COX: Yes, we have -- I happened to be out there at the site where allegedly he went, the Pony Express trail site -- campsite. And while we were there, it so happened some Boy Scouts came along from another trip, and they said, yes, we were out there that night and it was so cold that you couldn`t -- they had to -- their milk and things, they had to sleep with them in their sleeping bags, and in the morning before they could pour the milk, it was frozen again inside.


It was the worst night they`d ever seen. And they just gave up and came home early. And so -- and they had not seen anybody out there, and they were out there supposedly the night before he -- on Saturday night. And --

GRACE: Tonight, where is Susan Powell? Her 4-year-old little boy announces mommy is in the mine looking for crystals. This touches off a new search for the 28-year-old stockbroker mother of two.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Utah authorities continue to investigate the disappearance of 28-year-old, mom of two, Susan Powell who alleged vanished from her own home. Susan`s husband Joshua Powell said he decided to take the couple`s two young sons on a late-night camping trip. Something he says they do frequently.

Powell`s sister not hearing from the family for almost two days calls to report the whole family missing.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1010/07/ng.01.html
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« Reply #712 on: February 29, 2012, 04:56:17 PM »

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/27/2044363/call-taker-in-josh-powell-case.html?storylink=mrc
Call-taker in Powell case praised, rebuked in the past
Stacia Glenn/Staff Writer
Posted February 28, 2012, Updated February 29, 2012

Everybody has their off days, and David Lovrak has had his.

The Pierce County Law Enforcement Support Agency call-taker recently was lambasted for not recognizing the severity of a 911 call he handled from a case worker standing outside Josh Powell’s house before the Puyallup man killed himself and his two young sons in a gasoline-fueled inferno Feb. 5.

LESA is still investigating how the call was handled and whether its procedures need to be changed.

On Monday, LESA released hundreds of pages in Lovrak’s personnel file in response to a public records request made by The News Tribune after the incident.

The documents include 32 glowing letters, commendations and awards that date to 1997. They describe a highly valued worker praised for his community involvement and quick thinking.

The file also includes a few reprimands for tardiness, trying to handle a call on his own rather than immediately passing it to dispatchers, and repeatedly sending sexually offensive comments through the agency’s computer-aided dispatch system.
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« Reply #713 on: March 01, 2012, 07:05:26 AM »

i lost the link to this info,i think i read it on a state
utah site about the abandoned mines,anyway they have been
closing the mines since 1983,and when more funds were
available in 93 they got aggressive,now its slow again since
2005

i think one of these roads leads to
old susan mine
http://g.co/maps/b6dw7
http://g.co/maps/q99hw

found A powell mine, its a pit mine,and near utah lake
prob is the same in the pdf reports
A.WV utah
B. old susan mine
C. powell mine
D.sandy utah,BKF sighting
http://tinyurl.com/7myn436

info on the powell mine
user/pass is same=ogmguest
http://linux1.ogm.utah.gov/WebStuff/wwwroot/minerals/mineralsfilesbypermit.php?M0490004
source
http://linux1.ogm.utah.gov/WebStuff/wwwroot/minerals/mineralsfilesbypermitinfo.php
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« Reply #714 on: March 02, 2012, 06:19:49 PM »

I started following micki during the height of the Michelle Parker case.

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This is disturbing. A drawing included in the #JoshPowell file. @fox13now #findsusan twitpic.com/8r51ei
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/02/documents-show-josh-powell-took-pictures-strangers-legs/
Documents show Josh Powell took pictures of strangers' legs
March 2, 2012

SEATTLE –  Josh Powell told social workers in Washington he liked to take pictures of strangers' legs in public places, documents released Friday show.

The admission came one day after his father was arrested on voyeurism charges as law enforcement officials put more pressure on Powell regarding the 2009 disappearance of his wife in Utah.

The Social Services files, released under state public records laws, say Powell seemed to understand the laws around taking voyeur pictures. Powell said that he didn't take pictures of people's faces.
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« Reply #716 on: March 02, 2012, 10:26:51 PM »

when i read this crap,i just cant believe it,its like a never ending
bad movie.do i hear the $ passing imgs & video,some docs too at link

More Josh Powell docs released
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SEATTLE — Child welfare authorities released nearly 1,700 pages of documents in the custody case involving Josh Powell and his children.

The documents, given to FOX 13 on Friday by Washington’s Department of Social and Health Services under a public records request, reveal the inner turmoil the children were under in the face of their mother’s disappearance and losing their father after their grandfather was arrested
He reported that to both CPS and West Valley City police in an e-mail included in the massive file.
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Josh Powell wrote his children almost daily, telling them that he loved them and could not wait to be together with them again. West Valley City police expressed deep concern about the children being in Powell’s custody.
 
But in notes, CPS caseworkers appeared to be pushing to reunite Josh with his sons. They noted that because of Susan’s disappearance, her parents would most certainly oppose it.

 
http://fox13now.com/2012/03/02/more-josh-powell-docs-to-be-released-today/
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« Reply #717 on: March 02, 2012, 10:44:55 PM »

I started following micki during the height of the Michelle Parker case.

https://twitter.com/#!/orlandomicki

Ben Winslow ‏ @BenWinslow  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
This is disturbing. A drawing included in the #JoshPowell file. @fox13now #findsusan twitpic.com/8r51ei
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Oh, wow.  Why were his children not in counseling?  The system really failed them.
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« Reply #718 on: March 02, 2012, 10:46:42 PM »

 sorry read some and got PeOd ,something good had better come from
the release of JPs docs,i just cant see 2 sweet boys dying,and it turns
into shuffle the $,and more paperwork

pervs do you  hear the gavel,life in a 2.5x3x7,im just so 

the docs link,
http://localtvkstu.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/new-powell-documents-2012-03-02.pdf
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« Reply #719 on: March 02, 2012, 10:50:34 PM »

when i read this crap,i just cant believe it,its like a never ending
bad movie.do i hear the $ passing imgs & video,some docs too at link

More Josh Powell docs released
 ::snipping2::
SEATTLE — Child welfare authorities released nearly 1,700 pages of documents in the custody case involving Josh Powell and his children.

The documents, given to FOX 13 on Friday by Washington’s Department of Social and Health Services under a public records request, reveal the inner turmoil the children were under in the face of their mother’s disappearance and losing their father after their grandfather was arrested
He reported that to both CPS and West Valley City police in an e-mail included in the massive file.
 ::snipping2::
Josh Powell wrote his children almost daily, telling them that he loved them and could not wait to be together with them again. West Valley City police expressed deep concern about the children being in Powell’s custody.
 
But in notes, CPS caseworkers appeared to be pushing to reunite Josh with his sons. They noted that because of Susan’s disappearance, her parents would most certainly oppose it.

 
http://fox13now.com/2012/03/02/more-josh-powell-docs-to-be-released-today/

I think the Coxes should sue and I think they would win.  Anyone with common sense can see that the guy was twisted and trying his best to manipulate those poor kids.  The social workers should have been looking out for the best interest of the children. 
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