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« Reply #400 on: February 11, 2012, 10:49:12 PM »

Powell also sent long emails detailing what to do with his money, house utilities, and other aspects of his life to cousins, his pastor, and friends just minutes before he ignited the explosion that killed himself and his children and left his house a charred ruin, Pierce County, Wash., Sheriff's Department Det. Ed Troyer said today.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/josh-powell-kill-sons-hatchet-fatal-explosion/story?id=15520394


Dispatcher: "Alina, I need you to calm down, okay? What else did the e-mails say?"

Sister: "Nothing. He just... He just... He sent several e-mails saying stuff about how to handle his properties and how to handle his utilities. I don't know. It was just an e-mail"

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/911-recording-released-from-Josh-Powells-worried/W9bZsNdV2E6AG7HpJxfE8Q.cspx

Alina tells the 911 operator propertie"S", which means there was more than one property.  The house in Utah was being rented out but Josh still owned it, Josh rented the house he blew up but was still supposedly living in Daddy's house.  What other properties?

Storage locker?
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« Reply #401 on: February 11, 2012, 10:50:20 PM »

Klaas - could you/ would you make a Whack-A-Mole game,  with heads of Joran, Josh, Drew and a few others being beat by the hammer?  Or a version where Joran is the mole, and Mary Hamer is whacking him back into his hole?  Or maybe both?   Monkey Devil! Monkey Devil!


 
I would if I had the time.  Maybe later tomorrow 
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« Reply #402 on: February 11, 2012, 11:27:29 PM »


According to Jennifer Graves on Dateline ... Josh and Steve were thisclose.  Susan apparently had issues with the amount of time the two spent communicating.

Could it be that Steve was involved "at the very least" in the coverup?  Has all storage companies been investigated between Utah and Washington for a rental unit in Steve or Atina's name?

Somehow I believe that there were some expectations in regards to the funds suspected of being transferred to Atina.

Janet

 

Properties?  Utilities?

911 audio: Powell’s sister reports disturbing emails

In this audio from a February 5, 2012 call to 911, Alina Powell reports that her brother, Josh Powell, has sent her disturbing emails and that she is worried about his safety.

http://today.seattletimes.com/2012/02/911-audio-from-josh-powells-sister-boys-caseworker/
http://video.seattletimes.com/1439543778001/911-audio-powells-sister-reports-disturbing-emails/
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« Reply #403 on: February 12, 2012, 12:12:23 AM »

I wanted to clear up some things that had been bugging me. So, I went over the search warrant again and some other things.

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*correct colors of comforter (per official WA State Search Warrant)


gray/pink/blue comforter with initial testing showing blood.

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2012/02/10/DocumentView.cfm.pdf

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KIRO TV

"Our test just shows that it has blood markers," Pierce County Sheriff's Detective Ed Troyer said. "It doesn't tell you sex, it doesn't tell you whose blood it is, or even if it's human or not."

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/comforter-found-powell-storage-unit-be-tested/nHZZJ/

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Excerpt from search warrant:

THROUGH A PRIOR INVESTIGATION - with the West Valley Police Dept. (UTAH), Det. Sanders

had knowledge about a storage unit rented by Powell at Western Self Storage in Sumner, WA

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2012/02/10/DocumentView.cfm.pdf

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More information about 'incestuous' images on Powell computer

 

Investigators said Friday that images found on Josh Powell's computer more than two years ago were initially in a file format difficult to open, but once that was accomplished, officials found realistic-looking animations that depicted incestuous scenarios and child pornography.

 

"It's of adults and kids, and it appears to be a family setting, but it becomes sexually involved with all the characters," Troyer said.

 

Those images came up during a custody hearing a week and a half ago, when the 29-year-old Powell was ordered to undergo a psychosexual evaluation and lie detector test.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/comforter-found-powell-storage-unit-be-tested/nHZZJ/

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Rough time line: (still fuzzy - order may not be right)


Bank of America in Puyallup at 11:20 a.m. on Saturday when Powell withdrew $7,000.  It is not yet clear what he did with the money.

* SEARCH WARRANT READS - $6,500

Detectives said that also on Saturday, Powell may have taken papers to the recycling center at a landfill.

Powell also visited a Goodwill store and donated his sons’ toys and other items

Western Self Storage, Sumner,WA

Fred Meyers store - purchases gas can(s) and a pack of sterno. (Dateline NBC)

Filled two gas cans at a local gas station.

 He then left voice messages and sent emails to several people, saying goodbye.


MULTIPLE SOURCES:

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/police-piecing-together-timeline-powells-movements/nHZKB/

SEARCH WARRANT

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2012/02/10/DocumentView.cfm.pdf

Dateline NBC
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« Reply #404 on: February 12, 2012, 12:59:27 AM »

Carpe, I tried to quote and highlight in your above post but alas I must be doing something wrong.  Anyway in the above post where you are talking about the timeline and you are showing

" Fred Meyers store - purchases gas can(s) and a pack of sterno. (Dateline NBC)"

Do you or any other monkeys have any idea what the pack of sterno was for.  Any spark would set the gas in the house on fire so it doesn't seem possible that he could even light the sterno, so what do you think it was for?  This is another thing that makes me go hmmmmmm. Anybody else???


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« Reply #405 on: February 12, 2012, 01:52:14 AM »

Carpe, I tried to quote and highlight in your above post but alas I must be doing something wrong.  Anyway in the above post where you are talking about the timeline and you are showing

" Fred Meyers store - purchases gas can(s) and a pack of sterno. (Dateline NBC)"

Do you or any other monkeys have any idea what the pack of sterno was for.  Any spark would set the gas in the house on fire so it doesn't seem possible that he could even light the sterno, so what do you think it was for?  This is another thing that makes me go hmmmmmm. Anybody else???




4getUnot -

I wondered that myself. The only thing I could come up with was that if anyone asked him what he was planning, he could simply say
a backyard cookout for the Superbowl... or something along those lines. To not raise any suspicion.

I still can't wrap my head around the fact that the social worker said he had a working doorbell. If that worked, he most likely had power
still on in the house. If she could smell gas from the door - then that means he had already distributed much of it through out the house.

Without cutting the power? Holy mackerel.

If that is the case - dude is a psycho from a whole different solar system. I wouldn't even THINK the word spark in that house.

I thought of lighting the sterno and throwing it... but... he'd never have to worry about the throwing it part.
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« Reply #406 on: February 12, 2012, 03:43:14 AM »

Carpe, I tried to quote and highlight in your above post but alas I must be doing something wrong.  Anyway in the above post where you are talking about the timeline and you are showing

" Fred Meyers store - purchases gas can(s) and a pack of sterno. (Dateline NBC)"

Do you or any other monkeys have any idea what the pack of sterno was for.  Any spark would set the gas in the house on fire so it doesn't seem possible that he could even light the sterno, so what do you think it was for?  This is another thing that makes me go hmmmmmm. Anybody else???




4getUnot -

I wondered that myself. The only thing I could come up with was that if anyone asked him what he was planning, he could simply say
a backyard cookout for the Superbowl... or something along those lines. To not raise any suspicion.

I still can't wrap my head around the fact that the social worker said he had a working doorbell. If that worked, he most likely had power
still on in the house. If she could smell gas from the door - then that means he had already distributed much of it through out the house.

Without cutting the power? Holy mackerel.

If that is the case - dude is a psycho from a whole different solar system. I wouldn't even THINK the word spark in that house.

I thought of lighting the sterno and throwing it... but... he'd never have to worry about the throwing it part.


IMO:

Gasoline was used to burn the house very quickly. 

Gasoline is a flammable liquid as defined by the Department of Transportation in 49 CFR.  A flammable liquid is a liquid having a flash point below 141 degrees Fahrenheit.  The flash point is the minimum temperature of a liquid where it will give off sufficient vapors to form an ignitable mixture in air.  The flash point of gasoline (depending on grade) is about -44 degrees F.  An explosive functions either by detonation (rate of decomposition faster than the speed of sound) or deflagration (very rapid burning). 

Sterno used to explode the house.
"UNUSUAL FIRE AND EXPLOSION HAZARD: Closed cans exposed to flame and heat may erupt, scattering"
http://www.sterno.com/retail/PDFs/Sterno%20Consumer%20MSDS-Gel%20Fuel.pdf


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I know a doorbell or flipped switch can explode a house filled with Natural gas.  But would they ignite a gasoline fire? Are there enough gas fumes present?
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« Reply #407 on: February 12, 2012, 04:09:29 AM »

Carpe, I tried to quote and highlight in your above post but alas I must be doing something wrong.  Anyway in the above post where you are talking about the timeline and you are showing

" Fred Meyers store - purchases gas can(s) and a pack of sterno. (Dateline NBC)"

Do you or any other monkeys have any idea what the pack of sterno was for.  Any spark would set the gas in the house on fire so it doesn't seem possible that he could even light the sterno, so what do you think it was for?  This is another thing that makes me go hmmmmmm. Anybody else???




One more thought - He may have wrapped it and presented it to Charlie as a gift... or handed it to him in a store bag... to give the boys something to focus on.

He was that sick.  

Jamcakes -

Static electricity can set off gas fumes.

You could be right though, seeing how she rang the doorbell repeatedly and lived to talk about it!  an angelic monkey
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« Reply #408 on: February 12, 2012, 07:01:20 AM »

http://www.nwherald.com/2012/02/12/family-teachers-remember-powell-boys-in-tacoma/a3m3d3m/
Family, teachers remember Powell boys in Tacoma
By RACHEL LA CORTE - The Associated Press Created: Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:30 a.m. CST
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« Reply #409 on: February 12, 2012, 11:28:48 AM »

since the doorbell worked,and the sparking didnt ignite the house,maybe thats
what the sterno was for a ready made Molotov cocktail

can the LE get a search warrant, to search dads house again,if josh was using
the house he blew up as a front,for the DHS,ill bet he still had what ever was
important to him stored at dads

i dont get the animation thing not being porn,in penthouse, playboy,and other
more hard core mags,the cartoons are considered porn,at least i think they are
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« Reply #410 on: February 12, 2012, 12:02:18 PM »

Jmo, the pack of sterno's were to guarantee(they would ignite) that nothing would be left after everything went up in flames.
 
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« Reply #411 on: February 12, 2012, 12:16:17 PM »

SternoBomb                                                                                                                                                                
 One of the simplest bombs to make is the converted sterno can. It will provide some bang and a widely dispersed spray of jellied fire. Remove the lid from a standard, commercially purchased can and punch a hold in the center big enough for the firecracker fuse. Take a large spoonful of jelly out of the center to make room for the firecracker. Insert the firecracker and pull the fuse up through the hole in the lid. When in place, cement around the hole with epoxy glue. Put some more glue around the rim of the can and reseal the lid. Wipe the can and wash off excess with rubbing alcohol. A cancerette [sic] fuse should be used. The can could also be taped around a bottle with Molotov mixture and ignited.

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« Reply #412 on: February 12, 2012, 12:23:56 PM »

Hazardous Classifications

U.N. CLASSES & DIVISIONS - Definitions & Examples

1.1 A detonating or otherwise maximum explosion hazard. Example: TNT.

1.2 An explosive charge with a projection hazard Example: Cannon shells. Bombs.

1.3 An explosive device described as a rapid combustion as opposed to a violent detonation.Examples: Rocket motors, special fireworks (a la Fourth of July), flash powders (used by rock groups in concerts.)

1.4 Certain manufactured articles that may contain component parts that are division 1.1 or 1.3 Explosives but in such limited quantities and packaged in such a way as to be considered a minor hazard. Examples: small arms ammunition, rivet gun charges, common fireworks, such as sparklers, toy torpedoes, etc.

1.5 Explosive material tested and found to so insensitive that there is very little probability of accidental initiation to explosion. Example: Construction and demolition explosives - NOTE: VERY RIGID TESTING AND APPROVAL PROCESS REQUIRED.

1.6 Extremely insensitive explosives that do not have a mass explosion hazard and Demonstrate a negligible probability of accidental initiation or propagation. These materials are designated by the National Competent Authority of the country of manufacture.

2.1 FLAMMABLE GAS - A compressed gas that ignites when subjected to a source of ignition in a mixture of 13% or less with air, or produces a flame projection from an open valve when exposed to an ignition source, or causes a flame propagation when exposed to open fire. Examples: Propane, Butane, and LPG.

2.2 NON-FLAMMABLE GAS - Any compressed gas other than a flammable gas (2.2) or a toxic gas (2.3). Examples: Helium, Nitrogen, Argon.

2.3 TOXIC GAS - A gas that can cause death due to very small exposure to the gas. Example: Phosgene (gas),


3 FLAMMABLE LIQUID - Any liquid with a flash point 140°F (60°C) Examples: Ethanol, Perfumes, Nail Polish.Gasoline

4.1 FLAMMABLE SOLID - Any solid material, other than an explosive, which is liable to cause fires through friction or which can be ignited readily and when ignited it burns so vigorously and persistently as to create a serious transportation risk. This division also includes self-reactive substances that can undergo strong exothermic reactions and desensitized explosives that may explode if not diluted sufficiently (wetted).Examples: Aluminum Powder (friction); Solidified Alcohol (STERNO) (easily ignitable); Benzene Sulpho-hydrazide (self-reactive) Zirconium Powder, wetted (desensitized explosive)

4.2 SUBSTANCES LIABLE TO SPONTANEOUS COMBUSTION - materials that are liable to heat up during transportation or in contact with air and liable to catch fire. Examples: Wet Rags or Wet Cotton or Activated Charcoal or PYROPHORIC LIQUIDS.


4.3 SUBSTANCES WHICH, IN CONTACT WITH WATER, EMIT FLAMMABLE GASES (DANGEROUS WHEN WET MATERIALS) - by interaction with water, the materials are liable to become spontaneously flammable or give off flammable gases. Examples: Sodium (explodes on contact with water); Lithium (gives off flammable gases upon contact with water)

5.1 OXIDIZERS - A substance such as chlorates or nitrates that yields oxygen in a fire causing more intense flame and heat. Examples: Food Additives and Food in Powder Form (grain mills and silos that explode); OXYGEN GENERATORS - ValuJet!. Pool chemicals - chlorine powder.

5.2 ORGANIC PEROXIDES - An organic compound containing bivalent -O-O- structure and which may be considered a derivative of hydrogen peroxide where one or more of the hydrogen atoms have been replaced by organic radicals. Example: Dibenzoyl Peroxide -
used for treating acne - in it's purest form it is an explosive!

6.1 TOXIC SUBSTANCES - Liquids or solids that are known or presumed to cause death by either by absorption through the skin or through ingestion or by inhalation of dusts or mists. Examples: Cyanide Solid and Cyanide Solutions.

6.2 INFECTIOUS SUBSTANCES - Viable micro-organisms or their toxins that may cause human or animal diseases; genetically engineered micro-organisms. Examples: Measles and Smallpox; HIV (aids).

7 RADIOACTIVE MATERIAL - Any material that spontaneously emits ionizing radiation and has a specific activity greater than 74 Bq. per gram (0.002 microcuries per gram). Note curies are no longer used to measure activity. The not-so-new International Standard is
"BECQUERELS (Bq)".

8 CORROSIVE MATERIAL - Any liquid or solid that causes destruction of skin or a liquid that has a severe corrosion rate on steel (quarter inch per year). Examples: Nitric Acid (liquid), Sodium Hydroxide Solid.

9 Miscellaneous Dangerous Goods - Materials that do not meet the definition of hazard classes 1 through 8 but may present a hazard during transportation; or, materials that have anesthetic, noxious or similar properties, that can cause extreme annoyance or discomfort to crewmembers so as to prevent the correct performance of their duties in the event of a spill on an aircraft; or, materials shipped at elevated temperatures; or, materials that are hazardous substances, or hazardous wastes, or marine pollutants that can adversely affect the environment over a period of time.

ORM-D* CONSUMER COMMODITIES - Small quantities of hazardous materials that meet the definition of CONSUMER COMMODITY and qualify as LIMITED QUANTITIES for the hazard class. Examples: most aerosols, cosmetics.

COMBUSTIBLE LIQUIDS* - Any liquid with a flash point at or above 100 degrees F. and below 200 degrees F. Examples: diesel fuel, home heating fuel, kerosene and other high flashpoint liquids that represent a minor flammable risk.

* THESE CLASSIFICATIONS ONLY EXIST IN THE U.S.A.

http://www.r-a-specialists.com/hazlibrary/haz.shtml
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« Reply #413 on: February 12, 2012, 03:54:09 PM »

Thank you Carpe and All Monkeys who jumped in to give your thoughts on the Sterno.  IMO the sterno goes over the top when the gasoline everywhere is probably enough.  Just like the hatchet when he knew they would all die from fire and smoke. 

I found this article that only increases my suspicions when I wonder why he seemingly went over the top on a few things and then concerned himself with other things like the utilities, WTH if he is dead why does that matter?
 
http://gonebutnotforgotten.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/police-calling-powell-house-explosion-crime-scene-ksl-com/
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(CNN) — Josh Powell and his two young sons — whose wife and mother, respectively, went missing more than two years ago — were killed early Sunday afternoon in an explosion at their home in Washington state, a sheriff’s spokesman said.

Pierce County Sheriff’s Department spokesman Ed Troyer said that a medical examiner has not definitively identified the bodies, but “we believe it is the three of them.”
::snipping2::

I would definitely make sure that is Josh and his sons and not some other poor souls that Josh used to cover his tracks.  Don't under estimate anyone or anything.

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« Reply #414 on: February 12, 2012, 03:57:33 PM »

oops I probably should have included this link as well
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/05/us/washington-powell-explosion/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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« Reply #415 on: February 12, 2012, 04:58:58 PM »

Some doorbells are battery powered and continue to work when the electricity is cut off or there is a power outage.
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« Reply #416 on: February 12, 2012, 05:25:52 PM »

Thank you Carpe and All Monkeys who jumped in to give your thoughts on the Sterno.  IMO the sterno goes over the top when the gasoline everywhere is probably enough.  Just like the hatchet when he knew they would all die from fire and smoke. 

I found this article that only increases my suspicions when I wonder why he seemingly went over the top on a few things and then concerned himself with other things like the utilities, WTH if he is dead why does that matter?
 
http://gonebutnotforgotten.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/police-calling-powell-house-explosion-crime-scene-ksl-com/
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(CNN) — Josh Powell and his two young sons — whose wife and mother, respectively, went missing more than two years ago — were killed early Sunday afternoon in an explosion at their home in Washington state, a sheriff’s spokesman said.

Pierce County Sheriff’s Department spokesman Ed Troyer said that a medical examiner has not definitively identified the bodies, but “we believe it is the three of them.”
::snipping2::

I would definitely make sure that is Josh and his sons and not some other poor souls that Josh used to cover his tracks.  Don't under estimate anyone or anything.



What a devious plan.....!

I hope the boys are/were positively ID'd before interment tomorrow.   
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« Reply #417 on: February 12, 2012, 05:57:59 PM »

Thank you Carpe and All Monkeys who jumped in to give your thoughts on the Sterno.  IMO the sterno goes over the top when the gasoline everywhere is probably enough.  Just like the hatchet when he knew they would all die from fire and smoke. 

I found this article that only increases my suspicions when I wonder why he seemingly went over the top on a few things and then concerned himself with other things like the utilities, WTH if he is dead why does that matter?
 
http://gonebutnotforgotten.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/police-calling-powell-house-explosion-crime-scene-ksl-com/
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(CNN) — Josh Powell and his two young sons — whose wife and mother, respectively, went missing more than two years ago — were killed early Sunday afternoon in an explosion at their home in Washington state, a sheriff’s spokesman said.

Pierce County Sheriff’s Department spokesman Ed Troyer said that a medical examiner has not definitively identified the bodies, but “we believe it is the three of them.”
::snipping2::

I would definitely make sure that is Josh and his sons and not some other poor souls that Josh used to cover his tracks.  Don't under estimate anyone or anything.


Thanks for catching that about the IDs, it was one of the concerns I posted a page or 2 back. 
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« Reply #418 on: February 12, 2012, 06:47:19 PM »

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/12/search-resumes-at-recycling-center-in-case-josh-powell/

Search resumes at recycling center in case of Josh Powell
Published February 12, 2012

PUYALLUP, Wash. –  The Pierce County sheriff's office says a search has resumed at a recycling center near Puyallup, Wash., for papers that Josh Powell is believed to have dumped before he killed himself and his two sons in a house fire last week.

Detective Ed Troyer says the search is expected to last all day Sunday.

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« Reply #419 on: February 12, 2012, 07:31:53 PM »

Did you get a chance to read THE POTENTATE'S CPS filing? (just endless rambling - reminds me of Blagojevich)

http://www.seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2012/02/josh-powell-affidavit-of-killer.html

Susan must have walked around with her eyeballs permanently crossed living with this. It is quite a shame she did not have
it in her to send Mr. Rocky Raccoon eyes out into the backyard hunting for some quartz rocks. Kablap'd him with a shotgun!

If I were on her jury... she would not only get a free walk pass... She would also receive expensive gift certificates at the town's
best steakhouse, beauty salon, and massage parlor. She definitely deserved "a break today!" Know what I mean?
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