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« Reply #440 on: November 20, 2011, 01:16:59 PM »

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20111117-712784.html

NOVEMBER 17, 2011, 3:15 P.M. ET.S&P
Raises Aruba Outlook To Stable On Growth Prospect, Reforms
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

Standard & Poor's Ratings Services removed the prospect of any downgrades for the Caribbean island of Aruba any time soon, citing an improved view for economic growth and pension and health-care reforms.

In raising its outlook on Aruba to stable from negative, S&P said recent reforms to address shortfalls in Aruba's pension system and health-care agency should strengthen public finances over the long term.

Though the government's debt burden has risen recently, S&P predicted the growth would be contained thanks to Valero Energy Corp.'s (VLO) decision to reopen its refinery in Aruba after an 18-month shutdown, as well as favorable growth prospects in the coming year and various fiscal measures.

Oil refining and storage had largely ceased to be a mainstay of Aruba's economy--which largely relies on tourism--in the last couple of years until Valero's move.

S&P currently rates Aruba at A-, which is four notches above junk territory.

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« Reply #441 on: November 20, 2011, 09:34:54 PM »

Could it be that in time the truth regarding the happenings of the morning of May 30, 2005 as well as the truth encompassing the Persistence betrayal will be exposed?

Could it be that one who participated or one who has knowledge will have a life-changing experience ... a conscience will prevail and ... the family of Natalee Holloway will be afforded a measure of closure?

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AT ANY GIVE MOMENT SOMEBODY COULD TALK

Beth Holloway's Story
The Oprah Winfrey Show  |  March 14, 2008


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Despite what authorities have said, Beth says the case of her daughter's disappearance remains open for her family. "We've never really relied on an investigative approach to finding an answer," she says. "I think what we've relied on more heavily is at any given moment something unexpected could happen, and we really feel like someone could talk at any moment."

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http://www.oprah.com/world/Beth-Holloways-Story/3


WHEN SOMBODY TALKS

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


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ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT:  The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee's disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they're going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/
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« Reply #442 on: November 20, 2011, 09:54:24 PM »

The 18 month deadline is looming ... the 18 month deadline that could ... according to Peruvian law "potentially" afford Joran van der Sloot ... a flight risk ... his freedom.

Why has the "higher" prosecutor not presented the case again Joran van der Sloot to the judge for consideration?  What is the delay?

It is my prayer on behalf of the members of Stephany's family that the utter despair felt by Natalee's family in regards to the corrupt Aruban justice system is not repeated in Peru.

Also ... justice for Stephany Flores will provide of a measure of closure for Natalee's family.  There will be the assurance that Joran van der Sloot is in a place that implies other Natalees and Stephanys are not at risk.

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We Never had a Chance

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

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   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.


I Have a Perpetrator in Prison

Medical mystery tour brings (Beth) Holloway to Okoboji
Saturday, June 11, 2011


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"For me, I have a perpetrator in prison, so I can't ask for anything more right now," Beth Holloway said. "That's where he belongs and now I'm able to focus and move onward in the help that I can do for others who have missing loved ones -- maybe they don't have recovery of their loved one's remains or they don't have a perpetrator in prison, so my hope is to shed enough light and to help them."

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http://www.spencerdailyreporter.com/story/1735599.html


A Midnight Express Prison

Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'
Wednesday, November 19, 2008


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BETH HOLLOWAY: And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html

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« Reply #443 on: November 20, 2011, 10:04:56 PM »

Parable of the Lamp

Mark 4:21-23


Then Jesus asked them, “Would anyone light a lamp and then put it under a basket or under a bed? Of course not! A lamp is placed on a stand, where its light will shine.  For everything that is hidden will eventually be brought into the open, and every secret will be brought to light.  Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand.”
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« Reply #444 on: November 20, 2011, 11:06:57 PM »

"Ave Maria" sung by Andrea Bocelli.   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5BpOrO-Ufk

Youtube:  "IN MEMORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND STEPHANY FLORES"
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LIMA, Peru -- He was the last person to see two young women alive — one in Aruba, one in Peru exactly five years later, police say. Joran van der Sloot was caught in a taxi Thursday, several days drive and a country away from the Lima hotel room where the second woman was found face down with a broken neck.

A fixture on TV true-crime shows after Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba, the 22-year-old Dutchman did not speak or even turn his head when photographers shouted his name as Chilean police escorted him, without handcuffs, into a Santiago office for questioning.

Aruban authorities didn't prosecute van der Sloot even after he was caught on video saying he had asked a friend to dump Holloway's body. The Alabama woman's family was outraged by how Aruban authorities handled the case, and now the family of another young woman wants justice.

"This isn't a coincidence, this murder," Stephany Flores' anguished father, Lima entertainment impresario Ricardo Flores, told reporters after van der Sloot's arrest.

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« Reply #445 on: November 21, 2011, 01:13:49 AM »

Renfro now facebook friends with Steve Croes (birds of a feather.......)



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ARUBA: It's all about Natalee...we won't give up!


« Reply #446 on: November 21, 2011, 03:27:53 AM »



Justice for Natalee!

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"We won't give up on you, Natalee.  You didn't give up on us, and we will continue with the investigation until we have all of the answers to your disappearance.  God be with you my Natalee!" Dave Holloway ARUBA
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« Reply #447 on: November 21, 2011, 08:40:29 AM »

Renfro now facebook friends with Steve Croes (birds of a feather.......)



http://www.facebook.com/julliarenfro?sk=wall

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« Reply #448 on: November 21, 2011, 11:39:10 AM »

Renfro now facebook friends with Steve Croes (birds of a feather.......)



http://www.facebook.com/julliarenfro?sk=wall

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"We won't give up on you, Natalee.  You didn't give up on us, and we will continue with the investigation until we have all of the answers to your disappearance.  God be with you my Natalee!" Dave Holloway ARUBA
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« Reply #449 on: November 21, 2011, 12:16:32 PM »

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1336970/noticia-fiscal-ratifico-acusacion-van-der-sloot-homicidio-calificado-hurto-simple

Attorney confirmed Van der Sloot indictment for murder and robbery simple
He was dismissed the request for the confessed murderer of the young Stephany Flores is charged with aggravated robbery followed by death

Monday November 21, 2011 - 10:55 am

The Supreme Prosecutor Pablo Sánchez Velarde upheld the indictment of the Ninth Criminal Lima Senior Prosecutor posed 30 years in prison for Joran Van der Sloot on charges of murder and simple theft offense of young Stephany Flores, which killed at Miraflores hotel May 30, 2010.

Thus, the representative of the Public Prosecutor dismissed the request of the Third Criminal Chamber and Jail Inmates in defense of the family of Flores to the Dutch citizen is liable for aggravated robbery followed by death.

However, the judge held that any party may raise in the process changing the legal status different from that given by the prosecution, which would be discussed when you start the trial of the case.

As recalled, formerly the lawyer for the relatives of Sthefany found that the prosecutor has aquation of the European pros prisoner in the prison Miguel Castro Castro.

Speaking to elcomercio.pe, said the report of the Public Prosecutor should be for aggravated robbery followed by death, the penalty is life imprisonment, because "the goal was Van der Sloot Stephany seize the money, she resisted and he killed her. If not, that the prosecutor Riveros Castellares say what was the motive for the murder (...) there is not. "

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« Reply #450 on: November 21, 2011, 12:44:14 PM »

JULIA RENFRO

Private Eye comprehends Julia Renfro perfectly.  However ... the upholding of this woman by Natalee's stepmother does not make sense.

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JUNE, 2007

As missing-teen case cools, Aruba turns against family
Originally published June 9, 2007 at 12:00 AM
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Renfro, a mother of four, spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another, but she became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.

"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."

Renfro has concluded that the body would have turned up by now if she died on the island proper. She -- and many Arubans -- doubts the three suspects, all good students without criminal records, could have pulled off a perfect crime, never caving in to intense interrogations.

"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."

Heavily intoxicated, according to accounts given by her classmates to the FBI, Holloway could have staggered into the sea and drowned after the local men left her, Renfro speculated.

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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003741183_aruba09.html


DECEMBER, 2007

Robin Holloway - December, 2007

... As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317


MARCH, 2008

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Julia is one of the hardest working members of the coverup and misinformation task force. Her primary mission is to ensure that Beth is sentenced to a living hell for the rest of her life.

Why Julia? What's in it for you? Why do you think you can act so reprehensibly, so brazenly, so callously?

I hope one day, that I find a photo of you, hung up by the neck, with your hand in your pocket. I'll say I knew who that bitch. She finally did the right thing. And I won't lose one minutes sleep over it.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.msg362311;topicseen#msg362311

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« Reply #451 on: November 21, 2011, 12:48:50 PM »

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1336970/noticia-fiscal-ratifico-acusacion-van-der-sloot-homicidio-calificado-hurto-simple

Attorney confirmed Van der Sloot indictment for murder and robbery simple
He was dismissed the request for the confessed murderer of the young Stephany Flores is charged with aggravated robbery followed by death

Monday November 21, 2011 - 10:55 am

The Supreme Prosecutor Pablo Sánchez Velarde upheld the indictment of the Ninth Criminal Lima Senior Prosecutor posed 30 years in prison for Joran Van der Sloot on charges of murder and simple theft offense of young Stephany Flores, which killed at Miraflores hotel May 30, 2010.

Thus, the representative of the Public Prosecutor dismissed the request of the Third Criminal Chamber and Jail Inmates in defense of the family of Flores to the Dutch citizen is liable for aggravated robbery followed by death.

However, the judge held that any party may raise in the process changing the legal status different from that given by the prosecution, which would be discussed when you start the trial of the case.

As recalled, formerly the lawyer for the relatives of Sthefany found that the prosecutor has aquation of the European pros prisoner in the prison Miguel Castro Castro.

Speaking to elcomercio.pe, said the report of the Public Prosecutor should be for aggravated robbery followed by death, the penalty is life imprisonment, because "the goal was Van der Sloot Stephany seize the money, she resisted and he killed her. If not, that the prosecutor Riveros Castellares say what was the motive for the murder (...) there is not. "

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« Reply #452 on: November 21, 2011, 12:57:59 PM »

From my notes of September 12, 2011 -- Charges against Joran

Prosecution

Qualified Murder; Simple Robbery (28 years for murder; 2 years for robbery) and $73,000 restitution.  Total sentence = 30 years

Family

Aggravated Murder; Robbery (increase restitution)  Total sentence = maximum sentence of life

Defense

Simple Murder (robbery ?; restitution ?)   Total sentence = maximum sentence of 20 years

I'll continue to check for articles in Dutch and English today.
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« Reply #453 on: November 21, 2011, 01:04:05 PM »


Grace

I just received an email from my DIL.  She is not as thrilled as me.  She and her contacts were praying for the higher charges but ... I am thankful that the trial will begin prior to the the deadline.  The deadline ... if not met ... implies that "potentially" Joran could walk.

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« Reply #454 on: November 21, 2011, 01:13:16 PM »

Van der Sloot facing beefed up charges
Published: 9/18 8:52 am
Updated: 5:39 am


Birmingham, Ala (WIAT)  The judge in Joran van der Sloot's murder case in Peru has told the prosecutor to beef up the charges against the Dutchman.

Basically, that means the judge agrees with arguments by the family of victim Stephany Flores that the crime should carry a life sentence.

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At a preliminary hearing Monday the prosecution asked for a charge of murder followed by robbery. That would mean a maximum sentence of 30 years.

The Flores family has argued for a charge of robbery followed by murder which would carry a maximum life sentence.

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Any delay in the case poses a potential risk that van der Sloot could get out of jail.

By December, he will have been held on remand for the maximum 18 months allowed under Peruvian law. This could mean he will be released and await the remainder of his trial as a free person. Given van der Sloot's history of international flight, that's a risk.

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« Reply #455 on: November 21, 2011, 01:15:29 PM »

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2011-11-21-fiscal-supremo-respaldo-acusacion-a-van-der-sloot-noticia_424307.html

Supported Supreme Prosecutor Van der Sloot indictment
Monday, November 21, 2011 | 11:43 a.m.

Pablo Sánchez Velarde held that the indictment against the Dutch citizen 'is clear and consistent', RPP News reported.

The Supreme Prosecutor Pablo Sánchez Velarde supported the indictment of 30 years imprisonment was sought against the Dutch citizen Joran Van der Sloot for the crime of simple murder and robbery after the killing of the young Peruvian Stephany Flores, occurred in May of the year past.

The judge took this action in dismissing the request for the 3rd Criminal Court and Jail Inmates at the legal defense of the family of the victim, so that the citizen is charged with the crime of aggravated robbery with subsequent death from this fact .

For Sánchez Velarde, the indictment "is clear and consistent", as it details the elements that sustain the charges against the Dutch citizen as a result of this case.

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« Reply #456 on: November 21, 2011, 01:15:50 PM »

http://www.nu.nl/binnenland/2643990/aanklacht-van-sloot-weer-teruggestuurd.html

Van der Sloot indictment sent back
Last update: October 17, 2011 9:08 p.m.

AMSTERDAM - The Peruvian court that the case against Joran van der Sloot deal, the charges against him for the second time sent back to justice.

The court was not satisfied with the way it was reformulated. The charge is sent to a higher prosecutor, attorney Edward Alvarez said Monday.

Counsel for the family of the murdered Stephany Flores expects the revised indictment within one week is back in court.

If the court accepts the complaint, the actual process against Van der Sloot planned. "That will be in November," said Alvarez.

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« Reply #457 on: November 21, 2011, 01:22:13 PM »


Grace

I just received an email from my DIL.  She is not as thrilled as me.  She and her contacts were praying for the higher charges but ... I am thankful that the trial will begin prior to the the deadline.  The deadline ... if not met ... implies that "potentially" Joran could walk.

Janet


I was disappointed with the charges, but Joran is not leaving Peru any time soon! 

Also, It's not over yet --

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« Reply #458 on: November 21, 2011, 01:28:05 PM »


Grace

I just received an email from my DIL.  She is not as thrilled as me.  She and her contacts were praying for the higher charges but ... I am thankful that the trial will begin prior to the the deadline.  The deadline ... if not met ... implies that "potentially" Joran could walk.

Janet


I was disappointed with the charges, but Joran is not leaving Peru any time soon! 

Also, It's not over yet --

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However, the judge held that any party may raise in the process changing the legal status different from that given by the prosecution, which would be discussed when you start the trial of the case.


 
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« Reply #459 on: November 21, 2011, 01:30:03 PM »

http://feeds.univision.com/feeds/article/2011-11-21/ratifican-en-peru-acusacion-de

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Peru ratified in murder charge against Van der Sloot
EFE | Date: 11/21/2011

Lima, Nov 21 (EFE) .- The prosecutor Pablo Sánchez confirmed the indictment for murder and robbery against the Dutch simple Joran Van der Sloot, charged with the murder of Stephany Flores last year, as confirmed by the Public Ministry of Peru.

Sanchez refused to incriminate Van der Sloot for aggravated robbery followed by death, as suggested by the Third Criminal Chamber of Inmates in Jail and the attorney for the family of Flores, the 21-year-old was killed, with the intention that his conviction can come to life imprisonment.

With the indictment confirmed by Sanchez, the Dutch 24 years can be sentenced up to 30 years in prison.

However, the prosecutor stated that either party may change the legal classification of the Attorney, which will discuss when to start the trial of the case.

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