Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #861 10/16/11 - 12/23/11

[Kermit]

Hi Sharon

 

 

Hi Janet   

Sharon! YAY miss u

[Tamikosmom]

Rachel Allison, Natalee's cousin

Others Might Learn

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 200:  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.



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Natalee Holloway Resouce Center
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

[Titch]

I am crying. In following this case for so many years, I truly feel like it would have been an absolute pleasure to have known Natalee. I believe there were huge accomplishments in store for her, what a brilliant person. I'm at a loss of words. Think I'll take a short break.

We're onto something, though. I just know it. I can feel it in my bones. Justice is coming for Natalee. Wait & see.

[Titch]

Rachel Allison, Natalee's cousin

Others Might Learn

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 200:  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.



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Natalee Holloway Resouce Center
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

Janet, thanks for having such a caring dedicated heart. You're a true blue good soul! You've followed this case since the beginning. Do you remember when Beth was trying to get this center formed & approved? Who did she lobby through & it there a way to search government votes in congress to see which politicians voted for the resource center vs who voted against it?

[Tamikosmom]

Janet, thanks for having such a caring dedicated heart. You're a true blue good soul! You've followed this case since the beginning. Do you remember when Beth was trying to get this center formed & approved? Who did she lobby through & it there a way to search government votes in congress to see which politicians voted for the resource center vs who voted against it?

Titch

Consider my niche is the archives ... I am honestly unaware of the logistics encompassing the establishment of the Center.  I can assume that lots went on behind the scenes but with ongoing loyal support and Beth's determination to make good on her pledge ... the implication is that any opposition would be overcome.

Janet

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The Goal of Education is Twofold

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 189:   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Page 208-209:  The goal of education is twofold: to bring a message about personal safety to high-school and college students and to educate travellers.

Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive ...
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Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

[Titch]

Janet, thank you and I agree with you. I'm asking about this so I can research any political connections to human trafficking. It's all connected: drug smuggling, prostitution including human & child trafficking, illegal online & unauthorized gambling - racketeering, illegal investments into shell companies & bogus corporations that fold before a year then hide under an umbrella of bankruptcy, money laundering in trade for foreign arms trade.

I swear I'm wondering if there's some pelican brief stuff going on here.....

For Beth's sake, I hope the people in our US government have been on the up & up with her & her family. I have a sneaky suspicion something's been hidden.

[Titch]

I seriously hope the TES board is reading here, as well as their members. This is a lot to think about, however is extremely plausible.

Peace to the Holloway & Twitty families, as well as all of Natalee's extended family, friends & loved ones. You're all in our thoughts & prayers.

[Tamikosmom]

Janet, thank you and I agree with you. I'm asking about this so I can research any political connections to human trafficking. It's all connected: drug smuggling, prostitution including human & child trafficking, illegal online & unauthorized gambling - racketeering, illegal investments into shell companies & bogus corporations that fold before a year then hide under an umbrella of bankruptcy, money laundering in trade for foreign arms trade.

I swear I'm wondering if there's some pelican brief stuff going on here.....

For Beth's sake, I hope the people in our US government have been on the up & up with her & her family. I have a sneaky suspicion something's been hidden.

Homeland Security?
   
Does Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez have his Eye on Aruba? Talk about bad for their Economy
Posted February 23, 2007 by Scared Monkeys
 
If anyone wants to wonder why the US government never got more involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and why they did not take Aruba to task, they need only to look to the unstable leader of Venezuela for their answer. Hugo’s actions directly affect American's homeland security decisions.

Red - Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/23/does-venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez-have-his-eye-on-aruba-talk-about-bad-for-their-economy/

[grace-land]

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/22/joran-van-der-sloot-indicted-on-murder-and-robbery/

November 22, 2011
Joran van der Sloot indicted on murder and robbery
Posted: 01:40 PM ET

 ::snipping2::

Lima Prosecutor Pablo Sanchez released an indictment charging Van der Sloot with qualified murder and simple robbery, which carry 28-year and 2-year sentences respectively.

In September, the victim's family asked a three-judge panel for a more stringent charge akin to aggravated murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison, but the panel of judges ruled on the prosecution's side.

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro tells In Session this was a big win for his client. If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

The Flores family remains hopeful this will not be the case. An attorney for the family tells In Session under the Peruvian justice system the charges could change once the trial begins.

"We can ask the Prosecutor to modify the indictment as new facts come out during the trial, but on the first day of trial we expect Van der Sloot to plead guilty to both charges. It seems this will be in his best interest,“ the attorney said.

 ::snipping2::

In Session obtained a copy of the indictment. It details what the Prosecution believe happened on the night Flores died.

According to the indictment, on May 30, 2010 Flores arrived at the table where Van der Sloot was playing poker. They talked and played poker until 5:15am, when they left the casino and went to Van der Sloot's room at Hotel Tac. Once in the room, they played online poker ("Full Tilt Poker" and "Poker Starts") until 6:14am. After the game Van der Sloot told Flores about the Natalie Holloway case, which caused Flores to hit him on the head. Van der Sloot reacted by hitting her in the face with his elbow, strangling her with his hands and suffocating her with a shirt. After he killed her he stole 860 Peruvian New Soles (about $318 USD) and various credit cards with the intent to flee. At 7:15am he left the room and returned at 8:24 with two coffee cups. He left the hotel at 8:45am.

On December 4th, Joran van der Sloot will have spent 18 months in a Peruvian prison. On this day his defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro is preparing to file an habeas corpus with the court requesting that he be set free.

Jimenez will argue that under Peruvian law it is considered excessive imprisonment when a person has been jailed for more than 18 months without having their day in court. No court date has been set yet on this case.

"The delay is not his fault. We have been acting in good faith. He has been cooperating with the authorities. And they still don’t have a translator," said Jimenez.

It will be up to the court to decide if Van der Sloot is set free. A judge could rule to keep him jailed due to the complexity of the case. Once Jimenez presents his habeas corpus, a judge panel will meet in the jail's courtroom to interview Van der Sloot and make a determination.

 ::snipping2::

[Tamikosmom]

Thanks for all your updates Grace.

 

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/22/joran-van-der-sloot-indicted-on-murder-and-robbery/

November 22, 2011
Joran van der Sloot indicted on murder and robbery
Posted: 01:40 PM ET

 ::snipping2::

Lima Prosecutor Pablo Sanchez released an indictment charging Van der Sloot with qualified murder and simple robbery, which carry 28-year and 2-year sentences respectively.

In September, the victim's family asked a three-judge panel for a more stringent charge akin to aggravated murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison, but the panel of judges ruled on the prosecution's side.

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro tells In Session this was a big win for his client. If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

The Flores family remains hopeful this will not be the case. An attorney for the family tells In Session under the Peruvian justice system the charges could change once the trial begins.

"We can ask the Prosecutor to modify the indictment as new facts come out during the trial, but on the first day of trial we expect Van der Sloot to plead guilty to both charges. It seems this will be in his best interest,“ the attorney said.

 ::snipping2::

In Session obtained a copy of the indictment. It details what the Prosecution believe happened on the night Flores died.

According to the indictment, on May 30, 2010 Flores arrived at the table where Van der Sloot was playing poker. They talked and played poker until 5:15am, when they left the casino and went to Van der Sloot's room at Hotel Tac. Once in the room, they played online poker ("Full Tilt Poker" and "Poker Starts") until 6:14am. After the game Van der Sloot told Flores about the Natalie Holloway case, which caused Flores to hit him on the head. Van der Sloot reacted by hitting her in the face with his elbow, strangling her with his hands and suffocating her with a shirt. After he killed her he stole 860 Peruvian New Soles (about $318 USD) and various credit cards with the intent to flee. At 7:15am he left the room and returned at 8:24 with two coffee cups. He left the hotel at 8:45am.

On December 4th, Joran van der Sloot will have spent 18 months in a Peruvian prison. On this day his defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro is preparing to file an habeas corpus with the court requesting that he be set free.

Jimenez will argue that under Peruvian law it is considered excessive imprisonment when a person has been jailed for more than 18 months without having their day in court. No court date has been set yet on this case.

"The delay is not his fault. We have been acting in good faith. He has been cooperating with the authorities. And they still don’t have a translator," said Jimenez.

It will be up to the court to decide if Van der Sloot is set free. A judge could rule to keep him jailed due to the complexity of the case. Once Jimenez presents his habeas corpus, a judge panel will meet in the jail's courtroom to interview Van der Sloot and make a determination.

 ::snipping2::

 

Why can the trial not begin prior to the December 4th deadline?

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

Titch

Have you read Beth Holloway's "Loving Natalee - A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith".  I have read it three ... four times from cover to cover and several topical portions over and over and over again.  My first ... most treasured copy ... was literally falling apart.  Hubby rebound it for me.  My DIL bought me another copy and mailed my original off to Heaven only knows where/who and it was returned with a coveted autograph of Beth Holloway.  DIL presented it to me in a plastic see-through case a year ago for my birthday.  I knew this gal was a keeper the first time youngest son brought her home to "meet the parents".

Anyways ... Beth's words in her book reveal a corrupt Aruban investigation that prevented justice from prevailing for her daughter ... a corrupt Aruban investigation that protected an underage Joran van der Sloot who has connections in high places from implication in the happening encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... an underage Joran van der Sloot who appears to be a participant in all aspects of Aruba's underground economy.

If Joran van der Sloot out of a conscience or retaliation were to expose all he knows regarding the corrupt investigation ... Aruba's underground economies ... the Aruban house of cards would collapse.  Aruba has his back.  IMO

Think about it.  Why did casino/club owners, Paulus van der Sloot as well as Aruban authorities turn a blind eye towards underage Joran illegal activities prior to Natalee Holloway's arrival on the Island?

Janet

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Excerpt

Loving Natalee - A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.

[Kermit]

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/22/joran-van-der-sloot-indicted-on-murder-and-robbery/

November 22, 2011
Joran van der Sloot indicted on murder and robbery
Posted: 01:40 PM ET

 ::snipping2::

Lima Prosecutor Pablo Sanchez released an indictment charging Van der Sloot with qualified murder and simple robbery, which carry 28-year and 2-year sentences respectively.

In September, the victim's family asked a three-judge panel for a more stringent charge akin to aggravated murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison, but the panel of judges ruled on the prosecution's side.

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro tells In Session this was a big win for his client. If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

The Flores family remains hopeful this will not be the case. An attorney for the family tells In Session under the Peruvian justice system the charges could change once the trial begins.

"We can ask the Prosecutor to modify the indictment as new facts come out during the trial, but on the first day of trial we expect Van der Sloot to plead guilty to both charges. It seems this will be in his best interest,“ the attorney said.

 ::snipping2::

In Session obtained a copy of the indictment. It details what the Prosecution believe happened on the night Flores died.

According to the indictment, on May 30, 2010 Flores arrived at the table where Van der Sloot was playing poker. They talked and played poker until 5:15am, when they left the casino and went to Van der Sloot's room at Hotel Tac. Once in the room, they played online poker ("Full Tilt Poker" and "Poker Starts") until 6:14am. After the game Van der Sloot told Flores about the Natalie Holloway case, which caused Flores to hit him on the head. Van der Sloot reacted by hitting her in the face with his elbow, strangling her with his hands and suffocating her with a shirt. After he killed her he stole 860 Peruvian New Soles (about $318 USD) and various credit cards with the intent to flee. At 7:15am he left the room and returned at 8:24 with two coffee cups. He left the hotel at 8:45am.

On December 4th, Joran van der Sloot will have spent 18 months in a Peruvian prison. On this day his defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro is preparing to file an habeas corpus with the court requesting that he be set free.

Jimenez will argue that under Peruvian law it is considered excessive imprisonment when a person has been jailed for more than 18 months without having their day in court. No court date has been set yet on this case.

"The delay is not his fault. We have been acting in good faith. He has been cooperating with the authorities. And they still don’t have a translator," said Jimenez.

It will be up to the court to decide if Van der Sloot is set free. A judge could rule to keep him jailed due to the complexity of the case. Once Jimenez presents his habeas corpus, a judge panel will meet in the jail's courtroom to interview Van der Sloot and make a determination.

 ::snipping2::

Looks like his new attorney left out that van der sloot did appear before the court and said he needed more time to find another attorney - his second attorney quit just like his first attorney.

 
 

[sharon]

I have this entire document (6 pages) in PDF -- I don't know how to upload it. I've pasted the first 1 1/2 pages.

Judge Smid, sat on this task force.

 ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::



Caribbean Financial Action Task Force
CFATF Typology Exercise II: Casino Regulatory Conference
Aruba - July 16-17, 1997

Introduction

This typologies exercise focused on the money laundering risks associated with the Casino industry.
The objectives of this conference/typology were 1) to consider the inherent money laundering
risks of the casino industry 2) identify or discuss alternative regulatory approaches to
these risks 3) identify minimum legal standards necessary to avoid or control these risks. An additional
objective of this exercise was to begin to formulate an appropriate regulatory response to
this risk. It was therefore termed a Casino Regulatory Conference. This conference was cosponsored
with the United States Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) and
included participants from CFATF members, CFATF COSUNs, and others.
Casinos are an important part of many jurisdictions’ development of the tourist sector yet they
also hold a particular attraction to money launderers. In this respect the
experience of those investigating money laundering in casinos should be used to help determine
the appropriate regulatory response (Castro)
As banks and other financial institutions have adopted regulations and other measures to prevent
and detect money laundering, money launderers have shifted to the use of other entities which
either offer similar services and/or operate in a cash intensive environment. to control the risks of
money laundering
Casino provide the venues for large flows of cash, which launderers can utilise to disguise the
true origins of their criminal proceeds.
Particularly pertinent to the CFATF as a number of CFATF members have active Casino industries,
including Aruba, Bahamas, Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic, Netherlands Antilles and
Panama. In addition, a number of COSUNs, including Canada, the Kingdom of the Netherlands,
the United Kingdom and the United States have adopted Casino regulations designed to control
money laundering in their jurisdictions. (Vos)

Overview of Money Laundering in Casinos

Mr. Stan Morris, director of FinCEN provided an overview of money laundering and in particular
noted the U.S. experiences with respect tot the money laundering and the Casino Industry.
Mr. Morris, explained that in the 1940s and 50s, a money manager for the U.S. Mafia, Myer
Lansky, together with his associate "Bugsy" Segal, decided to construct casinos in Las Vegas
Nevada to facilitate the laundering of the proceeds of organised crime. Thus the stimulus, in part,
for the creation of Las Vegas was result of a major money laundering effort. The United States
pointed out upon the corrosive effect that money laundering had in Las Vegas, both throughout
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the casino industry and other commercial activities. Mr. Morris noted that the money laundering
threat faced by the Casino industry was similar in many respects to the money laundering threat
faced by other non-financial businesses and institutions. Goal is to on how to catch criminal s
operating in Casinos, but rather to keep them out of Casinos, and to make them unattractive to
criminal elements, "keep little crooks from becoming big organised crimes".
Casinos are clearly involved in currency and other financial services, because their job is to
make it convenient and easy to gamble, because the amount of gambling is directly related to
revenue.
Whole range of service have slots and gaming, but also do deposit and credit accounts, exchange
currency, wire money in/out, satellite offices to help customers transact, want to make it easy as
possible for the gambler to have a comfortable on going gambling experience, its also fast pace,
chips and currency exchange, equipped to handle large transactions, no large lines at the booths.
Because of all of the this the U.S. not so much innocent.
Casinos being abused but rather corrupt Casino official looking the other way. Casino can be
fertile opportunity for both placement and layering. Casinos are big Business, in the U.S. Casinos
last year generated ½ Trillion dollars, larger than all but a hand full of economies in the
world, and Casinos are continuing to grow. American Indian have the ability to open Casino in
areas where gamin is normally prohibited. Indeed the largest Casino in the world is not in Monaco,
or Las Vegas, but in Legerd Connecticut on an Indian Reservation. (Morris)

The Nature and Extent of Money Laundering in the Casino and Gaming Industry

Hon. Tennyson R.G. Wells, AG and Minister of Justice-The Bahamas
Mr. Rick Smid, National Public Prosecutor-Netherlands
(Wells) one is Mr. William Patton various initiatives to combat money laundering in Casinos, I
will give general overview of laws and regulations on Bahamas and how they effect the Casino
industry and Tourist industry in general in commonwealth of Bahamas. Noted the increasing attractiveness
of Casinos for tourist industry, Bahamas banking and financial sector is also increasingly
important, tourist, casino and financial sector. Prudent steps must be taken to foster
growth in these areas. Practical anti-money laundering measures are crucial to the development
of these sectors.

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[Tamikosmom]

So much for a speedy trial.  Why could a trial date not have been set prior to December 4th's deadline in anticipation of the prosecutor submiting the case against Joran van der Sloot?  This would have avoided any possibility of Joran van der Sloot "walking".

Stephany Flores' family do not deserve this uncertainty.  The prosecution really blew it in regards to timing.

 

I hope the panel of judges take Joran's flight risk past into consideration and rule against the motion of Joran's attorney to set him free.  I hope the panel of judges consider other Stephanys and Natalees who would be at risk.

Janet

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Original murder charge against van der Sloot will stand
November 22, 2011

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Meanwhile, van der Sloot's lawyer said that he plans to file a motion with the court, requesting his client be set free.

As of early next month, van der Sloot will have spent 18 months in Peruvian prison. Jimenez will argue that under Peruvian law, it is considered excessive imprisonment when a person has been jailed for more than 18 months without having had his day in court.

No date has been set yet on the case.

"The delay is not his fault. We have been acting in good faith. He has been cooperating with the authorities. And they still don't have a translator," said Jimenez.

It will be up to the court to decide whether van der Sloot is freed. Because of the case's complexity, a judge could rule to keep him behind bars. Once Jimenez presents his habeas corpus motion, a panel of judges will meet to interview van der Sloot and make a determination.

Jimenez said he is not hopeful the case against his client will be heard any time soon, given the upcoming court calendar. In Peru, judges are switched out in January and the courts take vacation in February.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/22/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot/

[Tamikosmom]

Thanks Sharon.

Maybe the time is right for to post your "Avoid Aruba" slogan.

Janet

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Rick Smid

'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 10th
updated 10/11/2005 12:00:00 PM ET

<snipped>

SCARBOROUGH:  So, what you are basically telling me is, if you send a loved one down to Aruba or a loved one goes down into Aruba, they get raped or they get killed or something else very bad happens to them, then the victim has no rights in Aruba and the family members of the victims have no right in Aruba to find out what really happened to them.

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  I have not seen us or Natalee having her rights.  What I have seen, though, are the suspects‘ rights protected.  And I think that this was shown to everyone, the world, especially Judge Rick Smit, he released all three suspects.  He was also the judge that presided over the ruling where Paulus van der Sloot was released.

And, also, he was the one who was instrumental in denying the warrants to—for searching the van der Sloots‘ primary residence.  You know, that‘s where we talk about these political connections and protecting a political figure.  And how deep do they go?

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9662347/ns/msnbc_tv-morning_joe/t/scarborough-country-oct-th/


'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 21st
updated 10/23/2005 4:46:55 PM ET

<snipped>

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  You know, Joe, I think back to the judge.  I think back to Judge Rick Smit.  And I think that he chose the suspects‘ rights over the victim‘s rights in this case. 

And it is hard for me.  And I‘m sure it is hard for everyone that has stayed with us in this investigation.  And, you know, we see it so clearly, what they have done.  And you know, I just—I just can‘t imagine why he would feel—why this judge would feel the need that for Joran to continue, to begin his study in college.  He felt like it—he needed to get—he needed to move on with his life and he needed to begin and not miss his college days. 

I just can‘t imagine a judge placing a suspect‘s rights over a victim, just so he can begin college.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/ns/msnbc_tv-morning_joe/t/scarborough-country-oct-st/

[texasmom]

If there are any lawyers or medical board members on or in contact with Scared Monkeys, could you please advise if Dr Mary Hamer is breaking ethics in support of Joran van derSloot but publicly diagnosing a mental health condition? From what I can see, she's a licensed radiologist, not a psychiatrist or psychologist. She's not a neurologist or neurological surgeon either. Can she publicly diagnose as fact to the masses a PTSD on a criminal she's never met in person? What are the legalities that could ensue?

She has met him in person, in prison.  She goes to see him (about) every six months.

If you haven't seen this, you need to watch it. 

Buckle up and hang on!   

http://www.rnw.nl/english/video/joran-van-der-sloots-guardian-angel

[texasmom]

Rachel Allison, Natalee's cousin[/b]

I can't see the first picture, but I love the second one; thank you kermit!   

[sharon]

I think that may be a different judge Janet?

iirc, the 3 stooges were Smid, Smit and Wit - or something similarly confusing.

Sadly, I've forgotten so much   6+ years


AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES!!!
 ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::

[texasmom]

Has Mary Monica Hamer ever studied Joran van der Sloot's activities prior to May, 2005?

Those activities including stealing from his own family, the reportedly serious assault of his own brother, his repeated predatory assaults of not only tourist girls but local girls as well, and the killing of his own dog, are just some known examples that debunk her claim that Joran van der Sloot has "never had the intent to harm anyone".

Mary Monica Hamer never once mentions in her ramblings the rights of Natalee Ann Holloway.

Natalee had the right to safety & human dignity even while she celebrated her graduation with her classmates on Aruba, in May 2005.  She had the right not to be preyed upon by Joran van der Sloot and his predatory friends, with the premeditated and malicious intent to harm her for their enjoyment.  She had the right to pursue her life and her dreams when she returned home from that short celebratory trip to Aruba.  She also had the right to justice when she was indeed maliciously, and with premeditation, preyed upon and ultimately murdered on the island of Aruba; Natalee has the right to a proper burial as well.

Where is Mary Monica Hamer's concern for Natalee Holloway's rights?

She seemingly has no concern for that, but Natalee's mother, Beth has fought for over six years for justice for her.  And I'm standing with her.

If Beth were a vigilante, Stephany Flores would be alive today.

The blood of Stephany Flores is not only on Joran van der Sloot's hands, it's on the hands of ALL who covered up the assault and murder of Natalee Ann Holloway on Aruba in May of 2005.  They enabled a murderer to murder again, period.  We all knew it would happen, he was a ticking time bomb.

 

jmo

I was going to respond to that Blog rant by Mary cuckoo head, but I read your post Miss Texas and I said, BRAVO!!!!


*note: Anyone who wished may file complaints with the Medical Board in her state & use the backup links as proof.
The public is in danger of psycho Mary.

Thank you for the compliment kermit!   

And I agree about psycho Mary.