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« Reply #520 on: November 22, 2011, 09:11:30 PM »

I am crying. In following this case for so many years, I truly feel like it would have been an absolute pleasure to have known Natalee. I believe there were huge accomplishments in store for her, what a brilliant person. I'm at a loss of words. Think I'll take a short break.

We're onto something, though. I just know it. I can feel it in my bones. Justice is coming for Natalee. Wait & see.

 

I agree with you Titch, it would have been an absolute pleasure...

And it's an injustice that can never be forgotten.

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #521 on: November 22, 2011, 09:28:11 PM »

I think that may be a different judge Janet?

iirc, the 3 stooges were Smid, Smit and Wit - or something similarly confusing.

Sadly, I've forgotten so much Sad  6+ years Sad


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I stand correctly Sharon.

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« Reply #522 on: November 22, 2011, 09:38:10 PM »

I have this entire document (6 pages) in PDF -- I don't know how to upload it. I've pasted the first 1 1/2 pages.

Judge Smid, sat on this task force.

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Caribbean Financial Action Task Force
CFATF Typology Exercise II: Casino Regulatory Conference
Aruba - July 16-17, 1997


Introduction

This typologies exercise focused on the money laundering risks associated with the Casino industry.
The objectives of this conference/typology were 1) to consider the inherent money laundering
risks of the casino industry 2) identify or discuss alternative regulatory approaches to
these risks 3) identify minimum legal standards necessary to avoid or control these risks. An additional
objective of this exercise was to begin to formulate an appropriate regulatory response to
this risk. It was therefore termed a Casino Regulatory Conference. This conference was cosponsored
with the United States Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) and
included participants from CFATF members, CFATF COSUNs, and others.
Casinos are an important part of many jurisdictions’ development of the tourist sector yet they
also hold a particular attraction to money launderers. In this respect the
experience of those investigating money laundering in casinos should be used to help determine
the appropriate regulatory response (Castro)
As banks and other financial institutions have adopted regulations and other measures to prevent
and detect money laundering, money launderers have shifted to the use of other entities which
either offer similar services and/or operate in a cash intensive environment. to control the risks of
money laundering
Casino provide the venues for large flows of cash, which launderers can utilise to disguise the
true origins of their criminal proceeds.
Particularly pertinent to the CFATF as a number of CFATF members have active Casino industries,
including Aruba, Bahamas, Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic, Netherlands Antilles and
Panama. In addition, a number of COSUNs, including Canada, the Kingdom of the Netherlands,
the United Kingdom and the United States have adopted Casino regulations designed to control
money laundering in their jurisdictions. (Vos)

Overview of Money Laundering in Casinos

Mr. Stan Morris, director of FinCEN provided an overview of money laundering and in particular
noted the U.S. experiences with respect tot the money laundering and the Casino Industry.
Mr. Morris, explained that in the 1940s and 50s, a money manager for the U.S. Mafia, Myer
Lansky, together with his associate "Bugsy" Segal, decided to construct casinos in Las Vegas
Nevada to facilitate the laundering of the proceeds of organised crime. Thus the stimulus, in part,
for the creation of Las Vegas was result of a major money laundering effort. The United States
pointed out upon the corrosive effect that money laundering had in Las Vegas, both throughout
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the casino industry and other commercial activities. Mr. Morris noted that the money laundering
threat faced by the Casino industry was similar in many respects to the money laundering threat
faced by other non-financial businesses and institutions. Goal is to on how to catch criminal s
operating in Casinos, but rather to keep them out of Casinos, and to make them unattractive to
criminal elements, "keep little crooks from becoming big organised crimes".
Casinos are clearly involved in currency and other financial services, because their job is to
make it convenient and easy to gamble, because the amount of gambling is directly related to
revenue.
Whole range of service have slots and gaming, but also do deposit and credit accounts, exchange
currency, wire money in/out, satellite offices to help customers transact, want to make it easy as
possible for the gambler to have a comfortable on going gambling experience, its also fast pace,
chips and currency exchange, equipped to handle large transactions, no large lines at the booths.
Because of all of the this the U.S. not so much innocent.
Casinos being abused but rather corrupt Casino official looking the other way. Casino can be
fertile opportunity for both placement and layering. Casinos are big Business, in the U.S. Casinos
last year generated ½ Trillion dollars, larger than all but a hand full of economies in the
world, and Casinos are continuing to grow. American Indian have the ability to open Casino in
areas where gamin is normally prohibited. Indeed the largest Casino in the world is not in Monaco,
or Las Vegas, but in Legerd Connecticut on an Indian Reservation. (Morris)

The Nature and Extent of Money Laundering in the Casino and Gaming Industry

Hon. Tennyson R.G. Wells, AG and Minister of Justice-The Bahamas
Mr. Rick Smid, National Public Prosecutor-Netherlands
(Wells) one is Mr. William Patton various initiatives to combat money laundering in Casinos, I
will give general overview of laws and regulations on Bahamas and how they effect the Casino
industry and Tourist industry in general in commonwealth of Bahamas. Noted the increasing attractiveness
of Casinos for tourist industry, Bahamas banking and financial sector is also increasingly
important, tourist, casino and financial sector. Prudent steps must be taken to foster
growth in these areas. Practical anti-money laundering measures are crucial to the development
of these sectors.

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg110680#msg110680

Found this link, there are several reports available by clicking on the choices below "HOME"

http://web.archive.org/web/20100427162651/http://www.cfatf-gafic.org/index.php
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #523 on: November 22, 2011, 10:30:27 PM »

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/22/joran-van-der-sloot-indicted-on-murder-and-robbery/

November 22, 2011
Joran van der Sloot indicted on murder and robbery
Posted: 01:40 PM ET

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Lima Prosecutor Pablo Sanchez released an indictment charging Van der Sloot with qualified murder and simple robbery, which carry 28-year and 2-year sentences respectively.

In September, the victim's family asked a three-judge panel for a more stringent charge akin to aggravated murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison, but the panel of judges ruled on the prosecution's side.

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro tells In Session this was a big win for his client. If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

The Flores family remains hopeful this will not be the case. An attorney for the family tells In Session under the Peruvian justice system the charges could change once the trial begins.

"We can ask the Prosecutor to modify the indictment as new facts come out during the trial, but on the first day of trial we expect Van der Sloot to plead guilty to both charges. It seems this will be in his best interest,“ the attorney said.

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In Session obtained a copy of the indictment. It details what the Prosecution believe happened on the night Flores died.

According to the indictment, on May 30, 2010 Flores arrived at the table where Van der Sloot was playing poker. They talked and played poker until 5:15am, when they left the casino and went to Van der Sloot's room at Hotel Tac. Once in the room, they played online poker ("Full Tilt Poker" and "Poker Starts") until 6:14am. After the game Van der Sloot told Flores about the Natalie Holloway case, which caused Flores to hit him on the head. Van der Sloot reacted by hitting her in the face with his elbow, strangling her with his hands and suffocating her with a shirt. After he killed her he stole 860 Peruvian New Soles (about $318 USD) and various credit cards with the intent to flee. At 7:15am he left the room and returned at 8:24 with two coffee cups. He left the hotel at 8:45am.

On December 4th, Joran van der Sloot will have spent 18 months in a Peruvian prison. On this day his defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro is preparing to file an habeas corpus with the court requesting that he be set free.

Jimenez will argue that under Peruvian law it is considered excessive imprisonment when a person has been jailed for more than 18 months without having their day in court. No court date has been set yet on this case.

"The delay is not his fault. We have been acting in good faith. He has been cooperating with the authorities. And they still don’t have a translator," said Jimenez.

It will be up to the court to decide if Van der Sloot is set free. A judge could rule to keep him jailed due to the complexity of the case. Once Jimenez presents his habeas corpus, a judge panel will meet in the jail's courtroom to interview Van der Sloot and make a determination.

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Looks like his new attorney left out that van der sloot did appear before the court and said he needed more time to find another attorney - his second attorney quit just like his first attorney.

 
 

You're right, Kermit.  And now the defense attorney is complaining about an official interpreter for the trial.      That issue was settled.

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Stein gave the interview last week after it became known that the court refuse to Van der Sloot's lawyer and the interpreter who were present at the first hearings to disqualify rejected. Joran claimed his rights were violated.

Thus his confession under duress and have made, Van der Sloot that no official interpreter at the hearings in June last year. Earlier, a judge rejected the request of the hand and now it was also rejected on appeal.

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/2973364/2011/10/18/Joran-braakte-na-ruiken-bebloed-shirt.dhtml
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« Reply #524 on: November 22, 2011, 10:56:41 PM »

Thanks for all your updates Grace.

 

Janet


YW, Janet.  And let me say that all of the information that you post, from the past to the present time, help me tremendously! 

I think that the trial will begin before December 4, because the judge realizes that there have been too many delays during this case and the 18 month deadline is approaching. We'll see.
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« Reply #525 on: November 22, 2011, 11:03:18 PM »

http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n264846

AFP: Peru establishes crime of femicide
23 November 2011 | 00:03 | FOCUS News Agency
Home / World

Lima. Following a wave of crime against women, Peru on Tuesday introduced the crime of femicide -- the killing of women by men --into its penal code, AFP reports.

Women's Affairs Minister Aida Garcia Naranjo said at least 73 women were murdered by their male partners in 2011, and 123 in 2010.
Femicide covers murders committed by lovers, boyfriends, live-in partners, fiances and former partners. It is considered an aggravating circumstance in a homicide and is punished with a minimum of 15 years prison, she said.

According to prosecutors, the main motives for femicide are jealousy and the victim's refusal to begin a romance. Victims are most commonly knifed, suffocated, beaten or shot dead.
Peru is the sixth country in Latin America to include femicide in its penal code. The other countries include Mexico, Guatemala, Chile and Colombia.

The highest profile current case of femicide in Peru is that of Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot, accused of murdering a 21 year-old Peruvian woman in May 2010.

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« Reply #526 on: November 23, 2011, 12:20:53 AM »

Thanks for all your updates Grace.

 

Janet


YW, Janet.  And let me say that all of the information that you post, from the past to the present time, help me tremendously!  

I think that the trial will begin before December 4, because the judge realizes that there have been too many delays during this case and the 18 month deadline is approaching. We'll see.


Grace

With all my heart ... I hope you are right.

Yesterday when you posted the article that revealed that the prosecutor had submitted the case to the judge ... I assumed that it was a given that the trial would be scheduled within the next two weeks implying that the 18 month deadline would be met.

I was disappointed that the charges were not raised by the "higher" prosecutor but somehow I was not surprised.  However ... I was thrilled by what I perceived as NO chance that Joran van der sloot ... a flight risk ... would  not be released.

Today's words coming from Joran's attorney indicates that a trial may not happen until March was such a letdown.  Then when the attorney stated that he was submitting a motion to the judge to allow Joran to go free until the trial ... my heart broke for Stephany's family.  Indirectly ... it is also a roller coaster for the Holloways.

Ricardo Flores had seen the writing on the wall regarding this motion back in August when he expressed concern that the prosecutor did not seem to be considering the importance of the timeframe ... the importance of the deadline ... the deadline which may or may not be extended.

Anyways ... hubby retrieved Christmas bins from our storage area today.  What would I do without him?  Decorating will begin tomorrow and ... my Christmas shopping (mostly gift cards) will follow.  Then I will be all set to concentrate on the trial if it should take place prior to the December 4th deadline.

Thanks for hearing me out.

Good Night Grace.

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« Reply #527 on: November 23, 2011, 12:33:40 AM »

SELF-EDIT - MY LAST POST

a flight risk ... would be released. s/b a flight risk ... would not be released.

Fixed.  MB
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« Reply #528 on: November 23, 2011, 01:21:16 AM »

WOW!  The Aruba Daily reprinted the entire article from Birmingham, AL.  I'm surprised.   

http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=7934

Prosecutor rejects beefed up charges against van der Sloot
Posted by Aruba Daily on November 21st, 2011

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http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Prosecutor-rejects-beefed-up-charges-against-van/c9Vb7NMzVUmAStCTOujEEw.cspx

Prosecutor rejects beefed up charges against van der Sloot
Published: 11/21 4:36 pm  Updated: 11/21 5:19 pm
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« Reply #529 on: November 23, 2011, 02:36:02 AM »

It really irritates me that they keep saying Stephany's body was found five years to the day...that's not how it was.

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http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Prosecutor-rejects-beefed-up-charges-against-van/c9Vb7NMzVUmAStCTOujEEw.cspx
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Her corpse was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day of Natalee Holloway's disappearance on a graduation trip to Aruba.

But if they keep repeating that untruth, that's the way a lot of people will remember it.

She was murdered five years to the day, and he left her there to be found three days later in an advanced state of decomposition.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003646-2.html?tag=page

Peruvian officials says that Stephany Flores was murdered on May 30, 2010, exactly five years after the disappearance of American student Natalee Holloway. The hotel room where Flores' body was found was registered under Joran van der Sloot's name, says Peruvian newspaper El Comercio.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003646.html#ixzz1eVjDvUTF

On June 2, 2010, 21-year-old Stephany Flores was found dead in a hotel room in Lima, Peru.
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=11854.msg1453316#msg1453316
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6. The autopsy report established that Stephany’s body, in an advanced state of decomposition — presented signs of cranial, encephalic, and cervical trauma; the cause of death being a blunt instrument, namely, Joran’s fists.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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Please light a candle remembering Natalee and her family's quest for answers.  Since two were created, you may use one or both.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

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« Reply #533 on: November 23, 2011, 06:51:12 AM »

I have this entire document (6 pages) in PDF -- I don't know how to upload it. I've pasted the first 1 1/2 pages.

Judge Smid, sat on this task force.

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Caribbean Financial Action Task Force
CFATF Typology Exercise II: Casino Regulatory Conference
Aruba - July 16-17, 1997


Introduction

This typologies exercise focused on the money laundering risks associated with the Casino industry.
The objectives of this conference/typology were 1) to consider the inherent money laundering
risks of the casino industry 2) identify or discuss alternative regulatory approaches to
these risks 3) identify minimum legal standards necessary to avoid or control these risks. An additional
objective of this exercise was to begin to formulate an appropriate regulatory response to
this risk. It was therefore termed a Casino Regulatory Conference. This conference was cosponsored
with the United States Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) and
included participants from CFATF members, CFATF COSUNs, and others.
Casinos are an important part of many jurisdictions’ development of the tourist sector yet they
also hold a particular attraction to money launderers. In this respect the
experience of those investigating money laundering in casinos should be used to help determine
the appropriate regulatory response (Castro)
As banks and other financial institutions have adopted regulations and other measures to prevent
and detect money laundering, money launderers have shifted to the use of other entities which
either offer similar services and/or operate in a cash intensive environment. to control the risks of
money laundering
Casino provide the venues for large flows of cash, which launderers can utilise to disguise the
true origins of their criminal proceeds.
Particularly pertinent to the CFATF as a number of CFATF members have active Casino industries,
including Aruba, Bahamas, Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic, Netherlands Antilles and
Panama. In addition, a number of COSUNs, including Canada, the Kingdom of the Netherlands,
the United Kingdom and the United States have adopted Casino regulations designed to control
money laundering in their jurisdictions. (Vos)

Overview of Money Laundering in Casinos

Mr. Stan Morris, director of FinCEN provided an overview of money laundering and in particular
noted the U.S. experiences with respect tot the money laundering and the Casino Industry.
Mr. Morris, explained that in the 1940s and 50s, a money manager for the U.S. Mafia, Myer
Lansky, together with his associate "Bugsy" Segal, decided to construct casinos in Las Vegas
Nevada to facilitate the laundering of the proceeds of organised crime. Thus the stimulus, in part,
for the creation of Las Vegas was result of a major money laundering effort. The United States
pointed out upon the corrosive effect that money laundering had in Las Vegas, both throughout
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the casino industry and other commercial activities. Mr. Morris noted that the money laundering
threat faced by the Casino industry was similar in many respects to the money laundering threat
faced by other non-financial businesses and institutions. Goal is to on how to catch criminal s
operating in Casinos, but rather to keep them out of Casinos, and to make them unattractive to
criminal elements, "keep little crooks from becoming big organised crimes".
Casinos are clearly involved in currency and other financial services, because their job is to
make it convenient and easy to gamble, because the amount of gambling is directly related to
revenue.
Whole range of service have slots and gaming, but also do deposit and credit accounts, exchange
currency, wire money in/out, satellite offices to help customers transact, want to make it easy as
possible for the gambler to have a comfortable on going gambling experience, its also fast pace,
chips and currency exchange, equipped to handle large transactions, no large lines at the booths.
Because of all of the this the U.S. not so much innocent.
Casinos being abused but rather corrupt Casino official looking the other way. Casino can be
fertile opportunity for both placement and layering. Casinos are big Business, in the U.S. Casinos
last year generated ½ Trillion dollars, larger than all but a hand full of economies in the
world, and Casinos are continuing to grow. American Indian have the ability to open Casino in
areas where gamin is normally prohibited. Indeed the largest Casino in the world is not in Monaco,
or Las Vegas, but in Legerd Connecticut on an Indian Reservation. (Morris)

The Nature and Extent of Money Laundering in the Casino and Gaming Industry

Hon. Tennyson R.G. Wells, AG and Minister of Justice-The Bahamas
Mr. Rick Smid, National Public Prosecutor-Netherlands
(Wells) one is Mr. William Patton various initiatives to combat money laundering in Casinos, I
will give general overview of laws and regulations on Bahamas and how they effect the Casino
industry and Tourist industry in general in commonwealth of Bahamas. Noted the increasing attractiveness
of Casinos for tourist industry, Bahamas banking and financial sector is also increasingly
important, tourist, casino and financial sector. Prudent steps must be taken to foster
growth in these areas. Practical anti-money laundering measures are crucial to the development
of these sectors.

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg110680#msg110680

Found this link, there are several reports available by clicking on the choices below "HOME"

http://web.archive.org/web/20100427162651/http://www.cfatf-gafic.org/index.php

Thanks TM  an angelic monkey  I forgot to mention that we probably had the document in archives somewhere Embarassed

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« Reply #534 on: November 23, 2011, 12:35:41 PM »

If there are any lawyers or medical board members on or in contact with Scared Monkeys, could you please advise if Dr Mary Hamer is breaking ethics in support of Joran van derSloot but publicly diagnosing a mental health condition? From what I can see, she's a licensed radiologist, not a psychiatrist or psychologist. She's not a neurologist or neurological surgeon either. Can she publicly diagnose as fact to the masses a PTSD on a criminal she's never met in person? What are the legalities that could ensue?

She has met him in person, in prison.  She goes to see him (about) every six months.

If you haven't seen this, you need to watch it. 

Buckle up and hang on!   

http://www.rnw.nl/english/video/joran-van-der-sloots-guardian-angel

OMG somebody needs to smack her right between her eyes. What's this whackjob all about? Did you see all the high profile cases she inserts herself into? I can't believe I never even latched onto what she was doing. I just let it slip on by without a thought again. Wow.

She needs to lose her license. At the very least the board needs to investigate her stupid ethics. She has to be breaking some kind of code, wouldn't ya think?
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« Reply #535 on: November 23, 2011, 12:36:12 PM »

Sharon, Thank you. 
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Tex, thank you as well!  an angelic monkey
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« Reply #537 on: November 23, 2011, 12:58:09 PM »

Janet, I haven't read Beth's book, only excerpts, so it looks like I need to go get it. I should have bought it when it first came out but I was so frustrated with the US not being involved enough.

Ask yourself why our government will make deals to release jailed Americans in Iran & Iraq that were over there trying to spread the word of Christ, but an innocent teen goes missing during a class trip her senior year of hs and our country does NOTHING about it! Why is that? Why? Where was brokenzipperopenfly Bill during the initial time Natalee went missing? Why is it more important that he work out a trade deal to free Americans backpacking in the Middle East that went into the noentry zone? Why can't these people do the same for Natalee?

I'll tell you why...

It's bc there's bigger fish to fry & if they jump on it right away, instead of biding their time to obtain more info, then it'll all fall through the cracks. There's a network, not a doubt in my mind. This isn't just Joran. No way.

Joran knows stuff. Important stuff.

I wouldn't be surprised if he walks away. Some kind of deal is probably being worked out behind the scenes. That boy ain;t doing life by no means. We'll be lucky if he serves 10.

Aruba will take him back. You think they care if America boycotts them when they have the rest of the world filtering their money through them? Shux, they get their palms greased just by being a jumping point for heroin manufacturers & cocaine smugglers. Then you pair that with foreign arms trade & you got yourself a huge worldwide firepit where there's no winners.

So in that case, for the betterment of America and our allies, it's in the USA's best interest to not get too involved "on the record" until more lucrative info is obtained about the more important stuff that can affect our world as we know it.

Which brings me back to why our govt would get involved with bringing home hikers from the Middle East that crossed govt lines, jailed, etc?

Greed. That's why. Greed for power over the freaking oil industry.

Follow the money. I'm so sick of this crap.

Hikers playing with government fire are more worthy of being found than an innocent intelligent beautiful never done anything wrong in her life prospective doctor? Puhleeease.

I could vomit just thinking of the comparison.
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« Reply #538 on: November 23, 2011, 01:15:38 PM »

I think that may be a different judge Janet?

iirc, the 3 stooges were Smid, Smit and Wit - or something similarly confusing.

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Yes, you are correct Janet -- I went back and double checked a few things. I think that was part of the confusion (for me) -- Beth's transcripts refer to him as 'Smit' -- but his name is Smid?

For anyone who needs to catch up on Aruba's dirtiest judge...........(with honorary mention to Jacob 'Bob' Wit)

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/12/rick-smid-arubas-dirtiest-judge.html


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Many of the judicial rulings by the Dutch judges in the Natalee Holloway case have been highly questionable, some so openly biased in favor of the van der Sloot family they smack of corruption. For instance, when a search warrant was being executed on the van der Sloot home on June 15, 2005 investigators were surprised to find Curacao Judge Bob Wit open the door and inform them their search would not include the main van der Sloot residence or the surrounding property.

Eight days later when Joran’s father Paulus van der Sloot was arrested for "reasonable suspicion" in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, Judge Bob Wit intervened again, disallowing a search of the van der Sloot home. Ironically, no such limitations were ever placed on the search of the homes of two black security guards who were arrested on June 5, 2005. In fact, Aruban police ransacked their homes and perp walked them in front of the media, only later having to release them because there was no evidence that, unlike Joran van der Sloot and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, they had ever been in contact with Natalee Holloway.

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“Aruba’s Dirtiest Judge” honor, however, goes to Dutch Judge Rick Smid for his extremely questionable rulings in the Natalee Holloway case. This one judge has caused as much damage to the Holloway case being solved as is humanly possible. IT WAS RICK SMID WHO SET THE STAGE FOR JORAN VAN DER SLOOT TO FLEE THE ISLAND OF ARUBA.
 
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I know most of Natalee's Freebirds docs are also posted at Scared Monkeys at the link below -- although I did not find the one referenced (but it may be there - I looked quickly)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.0


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« Reply #539 on: November 23, 2011, 01:27:00 PM »

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