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« Reply #640 on: June 12, 2007, 03:48:26 PM »

What's so difficult with someone like Joran is that he lies even when there's no apparent reason.  He seems to enjoy conning people and lying for its own sake.   One thing we've seen, he's very self-centered and has a need to feel and show that he's better than others.  IMO a lot of his lies and behavior start right there.
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« Reply #641 on: June 12, 2007, 03:51:55 PM »

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watching porn with natalee in the car

watching porn at the house


they were NEVER on the beech


in my opinion


So why the beach story?  
Possibilities:  
1.  Because they knew there are unsavory characters and a recent report of an assault; point a finger at someone else.
2.  To divert attention and in investigation of where they really were.
3.  In the event a body or other evidence was found, perhaps in a shallow grave.
4.  In the event a body washed ashore.


Lilpuma - also consider - WHY the comments about her hitting her head?  AND the lighthouse?

I think the beach story was possibly #3&4, and the hitting her head comment was an explanation of an injury that would be seen.

At this point of their statements, I believe Natalee was findable.  They were already working at covering their arses.

It is tough trying to figure out a psycho's motives isn't it?

It would be an injury caused by Joran.  Blunt force trauma to the head.  Joran either beat her with his hands or hit her with something.
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« Reply #642 on: June 12, 2007, 03:57:27 PM »

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What's so difficult with someone like Joran is that he lies even when there's no apparent reason.  He seems to enjoy conning people and lying for its own sake.   One thing we've seen, he's very self-centered and has a need to feel and show that he's better than others.  IMO a lot of his lies and behavior start right there.

He has the need to do this because he knows he is not.  So he has to boost his ego.  Joran was always a loser.  Just look at him in all the pictures.

What was it in the Shango/Simian posts where they said the boy thinks he is something that he is not.
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« Reply #643 on: June 12, 2007, 04:01:04 PM »

Kermit wow, great stuff

Hammer and Chicago in one day? we're lucky thanks and great to see both of your thoughts !!  Very Happy

O/T OldFart check your email, I have a question?  Wink
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« Reply #644 on: June 12, 2007, 04:04:14 PM »

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watching porn with natalee in the car

watching porn at the house


they were NEVER on the beech


in my opinion


So why the beach story?  
Possibilities:  
1.  Because they knew there are unsavory characters and a recent report of an assault; point a finger at someone else.
2.  To divert attention and in investigation of where they really were.
3.  In the event a body or other evidence was found, perhaps in a shallow grave.
4.  In the event a body washed ashore.


Lilpuma - also consider - WHY the comments about her hitting her head?  AND the lighthouse?

I think the beach story was possibly #3&4, and the hitting her head comment was an explanation of an injury that would be seen.

At this point of their statements, I believe Natalee was findable.  They were already working at covering their arses.

It is tough trying to figure out a psycho's motives isn't it?

It would be an injury caused by Joran.  Blunt force trauma to the head.  Joran either beat her with his hands or hit her with something.


Yep - If she had died from OD, they would not have had the need to dispose of her body, to make up all the stories - Her body could NOT be found.
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« Reply #645 on: June 12, 2007, 04:17:41 PM »

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TJ Ward may know some of those answer's. He was looking into the sloots having another property by the Raquet club and he also stated that he thinks they may have grabbed the wrong car(Deepak's) He did blow apart a few oj Joran's Alibis like playing tennis the day after NH went missing. I hope to god the family knows more than we do and are not disclosing info because of the obvious.


after you see these addresses click back to the main owner#

It is PVDS house.

Posted by: Selena | Friday, August 05, 2005 at 03:12 AM
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About This Property

Category: Single Family Homes
Address: Salina Cerca 37-B
Noord

Aruba
For Sale By: Agent
Construction Year: 1989
Area: 15,069 Sq. Ft
Bedrooms: 4
Bathrooms: 3
Sleeps: n/a
Stories: 2
Parking Spaces: 3

this is one that is listed,..see the address?
It's on the original URL links to PVDS house
Posted by: Selena | Friday, August 05, 2005 at 03:42 AM


Does this mean anything? The pond they drained is near the Raquetball Club, Aruba Racquet Ball Club.
The pond is called a salina, a salt flat basically, that turned into a sinkhole. The area nearby is called Salina Cerca.

Aruba Racquet Club- Rooi Santo 21, Noord, Aruba

http://www.arc.tennist.nl/


Map- ARC Surfside villas
http://www.casbon.net/gp-surfside-villas.htm


ARS- Aruba Reservation Services
(ARS Property Management Services)
Salina Cerca 35-E, Bakval
Aruba

Salina Cerca area addresses.
Posted by: Selena | Friday, August 05, 2005 at 03:19 AM


Guess where all those addresses are?

right on the beach, in between the lighthouse and the Marriott.
Posted by: Selena | Friday, August 05, 2005 at 03:24 AM



That YRASQUIN property?
YRASQUIN is the man that took over the Vw dealership when Lorenzos' father died.

Posted by: Selena | Friday, August 05, 2005 at 03:44 AM


Alekia

Follow my posts,..the properties listed are RIGHT THERE.......the ones under MORE FOR THIS OWNER connected to the VAN der SLoot listing....

the Holloways need to know this
Posted by: Selena | Friday, August 05, 2005 at 03:58 AM


the WHOLE LIST OF PROPERTIES...is the ARS villas

the villas are right there.

the main listing for the VDS property is backlisted as more for this owner on the REAL ESTATE link.

Meaning,...somone owns all the properties listed under that number.

like 10 properties...

the one for sale is 37 B Salina Cerca..
it links to VAN der SLoot

Posted by: Selena | Friday, August 05, 2005 at 04:02 AM


I'm trying hard to convey what I think this means.

I think it means Joran was at that property.

The beach, right there. the raquetball club, right there
Marriot, right there

Hadicuri Cabanas,..which are windsurfing"huts'

right there
Steve Croes boat.....right there

Posted by: Selena | Friday, August 05, 2005 at 04:05 AM

my exhusband just retired from Chicago PD,...vice,. 30 years.
I'm credible baby!

Posted by: Selena | August 5, 2005 05:18 AM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/08/natalee_hollowa_11.html


Private property.  Need a search warrant.  Makes sense that Joran could have been there or gone there at some point once he saw that Natalee was not going to come around.  It would also make sense that he then claims he left Natalee near there, asleep on the beach, so if she was found..........
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« Reply #646 on: June 12, 2007, 04:31:04 PM »

Regarding Kermit's post and the so called VDS property at that rental site.  We've discussed this before and came to the conclusion the property was not the VDS.  When it says other properties by this owner the owner they are referring to is the REALTY company.
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« Reply #647 on: June 12, 2007, 04:31:30 PM »

Need to go back to working and lurking.  
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« Reply #648 on: June 12, 2007, 04:49:35 PM »

Howdy Monkeys, looks like there isn't a whole lot going on. Waiting is sure tuff. I ws reading here last night and saw an interesting post by someone though. Read something like , possible reason we are not hearing anything from the Dutch about the investigation is because they could be waiting until after Tim Miller does the deepa water search.......if he finds nothing-case closed. If he does find something Dutch info foward case ON.
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« Reply #649 on: June 12, 2007, 04:49:38 PM »

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« Reply #650 on: June 12, 2007, 04:51:30 PM »

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« Reply #651 on: June 12, 2007, 04:52:56 PM »

PREDICTION


the dutch are not going to JUST bring all of the KILLERS in....NOPE

they are bringing the whole HOUSE down

all the cover uppers....you all know who i mean

the PIGS that all helped in the cover up


this is going to take time...


i aint worried  Cool
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« Reply #652 on: June 12, 2007, 04:56:32 PM »

I sure hope you are right Robots . I would never question the metal mind of Mr Robots!

Happened to notice on the site meter countries viewing now 4% Netherlands
and 1% Macedonia Shocked  Wish they would comeon in and have a beer with us  Wink  Very Happy
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« Reply #653 on: June 12, 2007, 04:58:44 PM »

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I sure hope you are right Robots . I would never question the metal mind of Mr Robots!

Happened to notice on the site meter countries viewing now 4% Netherlands
and 1% Macedonia Shocked  Wish they would comeon in and have a beer with us  Wink  Very Happy


they could have SHUT this down weeks ago  Wink

but they have not

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...i bet PAULUS and his CRONIES are sweating up a storm
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« Reply #654 on: June 12, 2007, 05:16:52 PM »

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I sure hope you are right Robots . I would never question the metal mind of Mr Robots!

Happened to notice on the site meter countries viewing now 4% Netherlands
and 1% Macedonia Shocked  Wish they would comeon in and have a beer with us  Wink  Very Happy


they could have SHUT this down weeks ago  Wink

but they have not

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...i bet PAULUS and his CRONIES are sweating up a storm
 Twisted Evil


I bet Paulus is waterlogged. Actually I have a thought about Paulus and his profuse sweating. Did I ever share it? I am sure it isn't only my thought but anyway.  Personally I think Paulus was sweating due to more than nerves alone. I think his perfuse perspiration may have indeed been a
result of him possibly using (chronically/habitually) either what LVR is rumored to have sold, or coke or both. I think it might have been one of the reasons he didn't get the judgeship despite what we heard about "failing" the test( Question ). I think his substance abuse/use effected his actions on the night Natalee disappeared. It had to have effected his lack of parenting.  Profuse and uncontrolled sweating is a side of effect of amphetamine type drug use.
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« Reply #655 on: June 12, 2007, 05:21:01 PM »

{quote}
I think the beach story was possibly #3&4, and the hitting her head comment was an explanation of an injury that would be seen.

At this point of their statements, I believe Natalee was findable.  They were already working at covering their arses.

It is tough trying to figure out a psycho's motives isn't it?[/quote]

They may have hit Natalee with Deepak's car then he had it fixed
<Snip>Police car recordings of JK2 and Joran
Deepak: I'm going home.

Joran: Wait until I'm going to tell stuff about you two. Then we'll see if you two are going home.

Deepak: I guarantee you.

Joran: Don't you think that the police is interested in knowing that Satish touched a girl with the car?
[the word 'geraakt' is being used, translated here literally, but you can use the word 'hit' also in the context].
Satish: He heh one [?], you let me laugh boy, just laugh.

Deepak: (to Joran) You know dang well, you always try to put bullshit between us.

Joran: (to Deepak) Then you're going to tell shit about the ChoHer [choller]? I have helped you with that that shit of the choller friend.

Deepak: And, I also said that.

Joran: That I have not read. I have also read that statement.

Satish: That of the chollers was from me.

Deepak or Satish: I have already told that before. I have also said that in my first statement.

Satish: I said it in my own interest.

Joran: That is what the police tells me now. Police says now to me, like, if you two go against me, I'll go against you two.

Brothers: (laughing) Hehehehehehehe.

Satish: We don't put you in trouble. We just tell the truth.

Joran: That you two don't do. The half of what you two have said isn't the fxxking truth. It will come forward. Just like they check me, they check you two also.

Satish: With us, with us, can they get evidence, but with you not. [ a bit unclear: It's: bij ons, bij ons. Kunnen zij bewijzen krijgen, maar bij jou nief] With lies, you don't get evidence,

Joran: All that shit of "Karen," all of you two don't know of no shit. Fxxx you two.

Deepak: You think that the girl has nothing on, you will see who fxxked who (this sentence was not good to understand) [note of the police officer]

Joran: We will see. Hey, you know when I will laugh, if I've given you a slap in the face. I'll laugh when they find the girl alive, fxxx you.

Joran: I know very well that you are afraid. That is if you two have done something bad with that girl. En if they find the girl, then we shall see

Satish: I'm not afraid. Why must I be afraid?

Deepak: I want them to find the girl. You are going to tell shit about me that I have buried the girl at fishermans hut

Joran: Who has said about burying? I didn't say anything about burying.

Deepak: That's what you have stated. Stop with that bullshit.

Joran: I have said nothing about burying. The only thing what I can think of, is that you know people that it is the people of automotive enterprises.
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« Reply #656 on: June 12, 2007, 05:21:04 PM »

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I sure hope you are right Robots . I would never question the metal mind of Mr Robots!

Happened to notice on the site meter countries viewing now 4% Netherlands
and 1% Macedonia Shocked  Wish they would comeon in and have a beer with us  Wink  Very Happy


they could have SHUT this down weeks ago  Wink

but they have not

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...i bet PAULUS and his CRONIES are sweating up a storm
 Twisted Evil


I bet Paulus is waterlogged. Actually I have a thought about Paulus and his profuse sweating. Did I ever share it? I am sure it isn't only my thought but anyway.  Personally I think Paulus was sweating due to more than nerves alone. I think his perfuse perspiration may have indeed been a
result of him possibly using (chronically/habitually) either what LVR is rumored to have sold, or coke or both. I think it might have been one of the reasons he didn't get the judgeship despite what we heard about "failing" the test( Question ). I think his substance abuse/use effected his actions on the night Natalee disappeared. It had to have effected his lack of parenting.  Profuse and uncontrolled sweating is a side of effect of amphetamine type drug use.

Bleached I agree.  I have often wondered if Paulus was a drug user.  Like you said the signs were there.
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« Reply #657 on: June 12, 2007, 05:24:26 PM »

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Howdy Monkeys, looks like there isn't a whole lot going on. Waiting is sure tuff. I ws reading here last night and saw an interesting post by someone though. Read something like , possible reason we are not hearing anything from the Dutch about the investigation is because they could be waiting until after Tim Miller does the deepa water search.......if he finds nothing-case closed. If he does find something Dutch info foward case ON.


 Hi BB.. I was thinking about that earlier as I was reading.. and I agree with whomever posted that... I feel the only hope now is Tim and Tes.. and dpensing if something is found or not in the water.
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« Reply #658 on: June 12, 2007, 05:27:29 PM »

BT ~ any word from Terry?
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« Reply #659 on: June 12, 2007, 05:32:13 PM »

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Howdy Monkeys, looks like there isn't a whole lot going on. Waiting is sure tuff. I ws reading here last night and saw an interesting post by someone though. Read something like , possible reason we are not hearing anything from the Dutch about the investigation is because they could be waiting until after Tim Miller does the deepa water search.......if he finds nothing-case closed. If he does find something Dutch info foward case ON.


 Hi BB.. I was thinking about that earlier as I was reading.. and I agree with whomever posted that... I feel the only hope now is Tim and Tes.. and dpensing if something is found or not in the water.


 depending  Rolling Eyes
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