Lively Case Discussion #638 6/10 - 6/13/2007

[sb]

Hi everyone,

Back from my trip and finally caught up. None, if you are still here, I was about 100 miles from y'all and I really enjoyed it up there!

I guess things have been quiet... ? I see discussion about Madeleine McCann today.

I hope I didn't miss much... I did NOT get a chance to go online at all while I was gone (which may actually be a GOOD thing at times   )

[klaasend]

Anyone ever had a deep fried twinkie?  Just curious......  

NO, but I've always wanted to try one just to say I did  

[Easywriter]

Anyone ever had a deep fried twinkie?  Just curious......  

NO, but I've always wanted to try one just to say I did  

I was reading about the banana twinkie making a comeback and it got me to thinking about the fried ones.  I saw them on TV, but have never had one.  I did find a recipe and it don't sound half bad! lol

[Observer]

http://www.telegraaf.nl/

Vrouwen deze zomer niet topless

I wont post the pic so I can stay on Klaas good side Reminds me of my teenage years at club med..Those europeans sure love to go topless

[Easywriter]

The divergence of thinking in regard to Maddy McCann’s disappearance really strikes a chord with its similarity to the Natalee Holloway case.  Is it the instant notoriety that these families receive, or is it something deeper and more disturbing lingering in people’s minds?  

Through life experience, I have learned that the most suspicious, jealous natured people are so, because they react to situations based upon what they might do in a given situation.  Has very little to do with the object of their emotional manifestations.

[klaasend]

http://www.telegraaf.nl/

Vrouwen deze zomer niet topless

I wont post the pic so I can stay on Klaas good side Reminds me of my teenage years at club med..Those europeans sure love to go topless

Thank you for not posting the photo.  I was unaware there was a photographer on the beach when I went for a dip    

[Observer]

http://www.telegraaf.nl/

Vrouwen deze zomer niet topless

I wont post the pic so I can stay on Klaas good side Reminds me of my teenage years at club med..Those europeans sure love to go topless

Thank you for not posting the photo.  I was unaware there was a photographer on the beach when I went for a dip    

ROFL!! That was more for easy and rob

[Easywriter]

http://www.telegraaf.nl/

Vrouwen deze zomer niet topless

I wont post the pic so I can stay on Klaas good side Reminds me of my teenage years at club med..Those europeans sure love to go topless

Thank you for not posting the photo.  I was unaware there was a photographer on the beach when I went for a dip    

ROFL!! That was more for easy and rob

I've learned better than to open those NL links while at work. lol  I made the mistake of trying to find that Joran interview in Panorama and had to do a major history clean-up afterward!  

[Observer]

KInd of reminds me a bit of that lil girl from san diego 10 yrs ago or so. The creepy lawyer defending David Westerfield was attacking the parents because they went out for a drink and had smoked the occasional MJ..He was also garnering support and creeps were coming out of the woodwork attacking these poor parents. Internet wasnt big back then but I am sure all sorts of false rumors would have been spread just like with NH and Madeline.

He knew his client was guilty and was going for a plea bargain to tell the prosecution the location of the body. Problem was they found it before a deal was made. Went to trial and he attacked the parents all the way through. He lost and Westerfield is on death row.

[Rob]

The divergence of thinking in regard to Maddy McCann’s disappearance really strikes a chord with its similarity to the Natalee Holloway case.  Is it the instant notoriety that these families receive, or is it something deeper and more disturbing lingering in people’s minds?  

Through life experience, I have learned that the most suspicious, jealous natured people are so, because they react to situations based upon what they might do in a given situation.  Has very little to do with the object of their emotional manifestations.

Easy- I worte this last nite to respond to some that seem to have the McCann's in their cross hairs.

LogicMan- are you familiar with the Natalee Holloway case? In this case was a propaganda machine to protect tourism on Aruba. If you know about what happened here, I would just caution you to not take the words of 'Vacation Town Portugal' as the Gospel.. They small town cops, and especially ones that totally rely on tourism do things you would not believe to protect it. If I told you all the lies told by the Aruban Authorities, I would be typing well into my next lifetime.

If you think that you are going to be in Portugal for two years something is not right. Why not 5 years?

Now that know some of the more intimate details it does raise a lot of questions in my mind. But I still have to say that small town cops in vacation towns cover up so much crime to artificially deflate their crime stats and to use said skewed stats to lure unsuspecting tourist to their resorts or areas where they are some times assaulted and left to deal with the local authorities in a land away from home and in a legal system built on favoritism and influence.

I see some of the same type of propaganda that I have seen before.. and it looks like it might come from a New York Lawfirm I recognize.

just be careful what you believe...and always wonder where it might come from and why.

-for the record, I don't want anyone thinking I have in it for the McCann's. I only care that Madeleine is found one way or the other.

The McCann's raise few flags in comparison to the Van Der Sloots.

When we attempt to tell people not familiar with the small details of Natalee's case they often wonder we where learned that and if it is true. It is sometimes in conflict with what the think they know or heard someone like Taco say.

I don't know all of the small details in Madeleine's case and I do not know all of the peripheral people involved.

[klaasend]

KInd of reminds me a bit of that lil girl from san diego 10 yrs ago or so. The creepy lawyer defending David Westerfield was attacking the parents because they went out for a drink and had smoked the occasional MJ..He was also garnering support and creeps were coming out of the woodwork attacking these poor parents. Internet wasnt big back then but I am sure all sorts of false rumors would have been spread just like with NH and Madeline.

He knew his client was guilty and was going for a plea bargain to tell the prosecution the location of the body. Problem was they found it before a deal was made. Went to trial and he attacked the parents all the way through. He lost and Westerfield is on death row.

5 years ago.  Here's some information.  I followed that case as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Westerfield

[Observer]

I see similarities as well..You guys see the Web Campaign against the Mccanns? Perfect timing to attack this family dont ya think?

A petition demanding social services investigate Gerry and Kate McCann for neglect has already attracted thousands of signatures.
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=922552007

[Rob]

I don't agree with the petition, but understand why it got started. There is no evidence in the past that the McCann's have done anything but raise their children in an appropriate manner.

Most of the signatories to the petition are signing because they think it is an unthinkable act to leave their kids alone on multiple occasions. It didn't just happen on the nite in question.

Maybe the McCann's were totally oblivious to the world we live in... I don't know.

[sb]

From what little I have seen of it, it looks like Portugal is handling the case OK (just OK, not outstanding) but that the opposition to the parents is coming mostly from England.

Just like in Natalee's case, do not discount the fine hand of domestic politics as having a negative effect on that family.  

[Easywriter]

KInd of reminds me a bit of that lil girl from san diego 10 yrs ago or so. The creepy lawyer defending David Westerfield was attacking the parents because they went out for a drink and had smoked the occasional MJ..He was also garnering support and creeps were coming out of the woodwork attacking these poor parents. Internet wasnt big back then but I am sure all sorts of false rumors would have been spread just like with NH and Madeline.

He knew his client was guilty and was going for a plea bargain to tell the prosecution the location of the body. Problem was they found it before a deal was made. Went to trial and he attacked the parents all the way through. He lost and Westerfield is on death row.

5 years ago.  Here's some information.  I followed that case as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Westerfield

I followed that one too.  What a monster!!!!!!!

[Easywriter]

Some stories just make ya say damn!  

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19207050/

[Observer]

KInd of reminds me a bit of that lil girl from san diego 10 yrs ago or so. The creepy lawyer defending David Westerfield was attacking the parents because they went out for a drink and had smoked the occasional MJ..He was also garnering support and creeps were coming out of the woodwork attacking these poor parents. Internet wasnt big back then but I am sure all sorts of false rumors would have been spread just like with NH and Madeline.

He knew his client was guilty and was going for a plea bargain to tell the prosecution the location of the body. Problem was they found it before a deal was made. Went to trial and he attacked the parents all the way through. He lost and Westerfield is on death row.

5 years ago.  Here's some information.  I followed that case as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Westerfield

Thx for the link..He attacked the parents in court rather than what we are seeing now..But I will never forget how upset I was at that lawyer!!I am glad to see those parents won that settlement..

[Rob]

From what little I have seen of it, it looks like Portugal is handling the case OK (just OK, not outstanding) but that the opposition to the parents is coming mostly from England.

Just like in Natalee's case, do not discount the fine hand of domestic politics as having a negative effect on that family.  

SB- I agree. A pedophile ring will make it very hard to pinpoint exactly who did what. I believe people in the network call in sightings from all over to confuse the police and make it virtually impossible to locate a child.

Now if you do not know. There is mystery DNA that has been found and it does not match anyone including the only formal suspect - Robert Murat. So if that DNA is from the abductor and not from a former resident of the flat that they were staying in... it looks like they have some evidence.

I'm personally not real impressed with the Chief of Police. He was slow to act and left alot of avenues unchecked in the earlier days.

Cases like these are hard to unravel.

[Easywriter]

Checkout this little monkey doing hard time!  

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6020616/displaymode/1107/s/2/framenumber/8/

[nonesuche]

Klaas you are too too funny, so that was you taking a dip?    

I thought I recognized that flowing long hair  

SB-

You should have come farther north, I had this waiting for you. Metro's supposed to be up this way too, sent him email and phone contacts but I haven't heard back