Lively Case Discussion #639 6/13 - 6/15/2007

[oldfart]

My Vista upgrade came last week and it's been sitting bin the yellow envelope it came in since it got here. I never even opened it after all that I have heard.

I haven't had one error message since I got this Gateway. I'm not tempting F4TE.

Run Rob run... or Burn IT..

[Kermit]

Jan van der Straaten - From LARRY KING LIVE transcript:

TIM MILLER: I've spent a lot of time with the Police Commissioner van der Straaten, and he told me that he has got enough stuff without a body for prosecution BUT Judge Smit let the suspects free because of not enough evidence even though EVERY OTHER JUDGE kept Joran in the KIA.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/12/lkl.01.html

[Kat_Gram]

msmarple
What type of sound    ??  
Most noise comes from the Fan Motors..
IndyDan
Did you see the link for Desitny's(?) site for MotorCycle fans/trips last night?

Patti
HI... Looks like CBB has helped you get dressed for the Cage. :wink

Mr. O. Fart
I don't know where you got your avatar picture from, but someone at my work has one at their desk. When I saw it, I started laffin'.

Kat
 I do not think any of my kids have my Picture on their desk
Not sure about any OldFlames (FEMALE only) that may have one sitting around though
And I'm not good with Names..      

Another guy at my work is married to a lady from Transylvania and he has a framed picture of the Munsters as the Required Family " Portrait ". LOL

[Rob]

When you translated this - Omdat ik het onderzoek ken en u niet

you will get - Because I examine do not know and you

which is only an online translator, but in no way indicates that someone has seen the evidence. All it says is he examines / investigates. And of course- you do not.

Do I believe he has seen the evidence? Yes. I do. I think his words were intended to skate around the obvious. He wants to appear serious all the while hiding what he really knows. It's a balancing act on his part.

[Elaine]

As we all do, I read and see the stories about selective concern over missing persons.  At times I even question myself about such things.  However, I do not think that is what it is about.  I tend to be a one-track mind kind of person and I find it difficult to let go of the Natalee Holloway case before it is solved.  That does not mean I do not care about others that might be missing, abused, or in harm’s way.  It just means that my focus is hard and true.

Hell, I don’t know what any of that means….  

And, I don't think you are alone....for surely, I am aware and read about & have interest in others, but this one just pulled my heart strings from the start...and I have sons...as do you....

The thing that is bouncing around in my head right now is a big question.  Could we collectivliy make a difference in the Stepha Henry case?

This young woman was celebrating her recent graduation from John Jay College of Criminal Justice and was on familiar ground.  Yet, she disappeared and no one is answering questions.  Could we take this case apart minute by minute and make a difference?  I don’t know.  

I have been following this case. Very sad. I really   have to wonder about the guy who picked her up and took her to a club. Said he left before she did, BUT, when investigaters wanted to search the car he drove that night...he claims he borrowed it and doesn't know where it is?

[Easywriter]

My timing must be off tonight.  When I feel silly, nothing.  When I feel serious, nothing.  

Guess I will just have to go FOB myself! lol

[Rob]

My Vista upgrade came last week and it's been sitting bin the yellow envelope it came in since it got here. I never even opened it after all that I have heard.

I haven't had one error message since I got this Gateway. I'm not tempting F4TE.

Run Rob run... or Burn IT..

LMAO.... I will I will LOL

[Kermit]

Patti,

I think you'll enjoy this read - hope it makes you laugh and lifts your spirit to the wonderful mom that you must be because you are doing this for your kids!

This is the next Survivor show:


Six married men will be dropped on an island with one car and 3 kids
each for six weeks.

Each kid will play two sports and either take music or dance classes.

There is no fast food.

Each man must take care of his 3 kids; keep his assigned house clean,
correct all homework, complete science projects, cook, do laundry, and pay a list of 'pretend' bills with not enough money.

In addition, each man will have to budget in money for groceries each
week.

Each man must remember the birthdays of all their friends and relatives,
and send cards out on time.

Each man must also take each child to a doctor's appointment, a dentist
appointment and a haircut appointment . He must make one unscheduled and inconvenient visit per & gt;child to the Urgent Care
(weekend, evening, on a holiday or right when they're about to leave for
vacation).
He must also make cookies or cupcakes for a social function.
Each man will be responsible for decorating his own assigned house,
planting flowers outside and keeping it presentable at all times.
The men will only have access to television when the kids are asleep and
all chores are done.

Each father will be required to know all of the words to every stupid
song that comes on TV and the nameof each and every character on cartoons.

Each man will have to make an Indian hut model with six toothpicks, a
tortilla and one marker; and get a4 year old to eat a serving of peas.

Each man must adorn himself with jewelry, wear uncomfortable yet stylish
shoes, keep their nails polished and eyebrows groomed. The men must t ry to get through each day without snot, spit-up or barf on
their clothing.

During one of the six weeks, the men will have to endure severe
abdominal cramps, back aches, and have extreme, unexplained mood swings but never once complain or slow down from other duties. They must try to explain what a tampon is for when the 6-yr old boy finds it in
the purse.

They must attend weekly school meetings, church, and find time at least
once to spend the afternoon at the park or a similar setting.

He will need to read a book to the children each night without falling
asleep, and then feed them, dressthem, brush their teeth and comb their hair each morning by 7:00. They must leave the home with no
food on their face or clothes.

A test will be given at the end of the six weeks, and each father will
be required to know all of the following information: each child's birthday, height, weight, shoe size, clothes size and doct or's name.

Also the child's weight at birth, length, time of birth, and length of
labor, each child's favorite colour, middle name, favorite snack, favorite song, favorite drink, favorite toy, biggest fear and what
they want to be when they grow up.

They must clean up after their sick children at 2:00 a.m. And then spend
the remainder of the day tending to that child and waiting on them hand and foot until they are better.

They must have a loving, age appropriate reply to, "You're not the boss
of me."

The kids vote them off the island based on performance. The last man
wins only if...he still has enough energy to be intimate with his spouse at a moment's notice.

[oldfart]

msmarple
What type of sound    ??  
Most noise comes from the Fan Motors..
IndyDan
Did you see the link for Desitny's(?) site for MotorCycle fans/trips last night?

Patti
HI... Looks like CBB has helped you get dressed for the Cage. :wink

Mr. O. Fart
I don't know where you got your avatar picture from, but someone at my work has one at their desk. When I saw it, I started laffin'.

Kat
 I do not think any of my kids have my Picture on their desk
Not sure about any OldFlames (FEMALE only) that may have one sitting around though
And I'm not good with Names..      

Another guy at my work is married to a lady from Transylvania and he has a framed picture of the Munsters as the Required Family " Portrait ". LOL

Kat
If you would like some of my "Dressed Up" avatars.. (gifts from CBB & Klaasend)  X-mas.. Valentines Day,St.Pat's, MariGra(sp?), Memorial Day..etc to print out for the person at work... Let me or maybe CBB or Klaasend Know..  
Just in case you want to leave a pic at that desk when they are not there    

[Kermit]

I see Miss Piggy in the yard rolling in mud - attracting flies for ol kermmie

off I hop.

[Patti]

Old Fart:  HI!!!!  Yes, CBB did a great job, as usual and Klaas helped.
It's good to see your happy face.   Like I said before, you always
put a smile on my face.  

Rob:  Thanks...  With a seven year divorce, I am all out of fight so
from here on out, I'm doing it for my kids.  I can't tell you how
exhausted I am of the whole thing and with the state of Texas.

Patti ~ We'll help you get thru this ~ you know the monkeys always give lots of positive thoughts, prayers, and hugs  

Mom always said
"God does not hand you more than you can handle.. for he is always at you side"
Dad ended saying ..
"There is alwasy two sides of a story BUT Dead Beat/ Non carring  Dads should be forced to date/live with Ms. Bobbit for a bit.."
AND ..I always thought  they were both  

He's worse than "Dead Beat"

Our kids were both adopted at birth.  The youngest was 12 when we
seperated.  If I ask him for something, he say's, "they should ask
their birth parents"

He's turned into a monster since I left him.  I don't even know him any
more and we were together for 22 years.   The reason the divorce
took so long is because he lives in Mexico... he thinks he's a king
cause he lives like one.

He bought off a judge and fraudulantly sold our home in Washington
state.  I got a new trial and now he's going to pay, dearly, for his
crimes.

He's started off with a bang of lies and I don't think this new judge is
going to be impressed with his shenanagans....  She's a ball-buster.

[BTgirl]

My timing must be off tonight.  When I feel silly, nothing.  When I feel serious, nothing.  

Guess I will just have to go FOB myself! lol

I was silly when you were serious and told you to eat lots of fattening food? Does that earn me any points?  

[BTgirl]

I see Miss Piggy in the yard rolling in mud - attracting flies for ol kermmie

off I hop.

Night Kermie - have fun with Miss Piggy and mums the word.  

[Rob]

I see Miss Piggy in the yard rolling in mud - attracting flies for ol kermmie

off I hop.

Good Nite Kerm.

[oldfart]

My timing must be off tonight.  When I feel silly, nothing.  When I feel serious, nothing.  

Guess I will just have to go FOB myself! lol

I was silly when you were serious and told you to eat lots of fattening food? Does that earn me any points?  

ONLY if fattening food... PORK FAT is included someway  

[Patti]

Patti,

I think you'll enjoy this read - hope it makes you laugh and lifts your spirit to the wonderful mom that you must be because you are doing this for your kids!

This is the next Survivor show:


Six married men will be dropped on an island with one car and 3 kids
each for six weeks.

Each kid will play two sports and either take music or dance classes.

There is no fast food.

Each man must take care of his 3 kids; keep his assigned house clean,
correct all homework, complete science projects, cook, do laundry, and pay a list of 'pretend' bills with not enough money.

In addition, each man will have to budget in money for groceries each
week.

Each man must remember the birthdays of all their friends and relatives,
and send cards out on time.

Each man must also take each child to a doctor's appointment, a dentist
appointment and a haircut appointment . He must make one unscheduled and inconvenient visit per & gt;child to the Urgent Care
(weekend, evening, on a holiday or right when they're about to leave for
vacation).
He must also make cookies or cupcakes for a social function.
Each man will be responsible for decorating his own assigned house,
planting flowers outside and keeping it presentable at all times.
The men will only have access to television when the kids are asleep and
all chores are done.

Each father will be required to know all of the words to every stupid
song that comes on TV and the nameof each and every character on cartoons.

Each man will have to make an Indian hut model with six toothpicks, a
tortilla and one marker; and get a4 year old to eat a serving of peas.

Each man must adorn himself with jewelry, wear uncomfortable yet stylish
shoes, keep their nails polished and eyebrows groomed. The men must t ry to get through each day without snot, spit-up or barf on
their clothing.

During one of the six weeks, the men will have to endure severe
abdominal cramps, back aches, and have extreme, unexplained mood swings but never once complain or slow down from other duties. They must try to explain what a tampon is for when the 6-yr old boy finds it in
the purse.

They must attend weekly school meetings, church, and find time at least
once to spend the afternoon at the park or a similar setting.

He will need to read a book to the children each night without falling
asleep, and then feed them, dressthem, brush their teeth and comb their hair each morning by 7:00. They must leave the home with no
food on their face or clothes.

A test will be given at the end of the six weeks, and each father will
be required to know all of the following information: each child's birthday, height, weight, shoe size, clothes size and doct or's name.

Also the child's weight at birth, length, time of birth, and length of
labor, each child's favorite colour, middle name, favorite snack, favorite song, favorite drink, favorite toy, biggest fear and what
they want to be when they grow up.

They must clean up after their sick children at 2:00 a.m. And then spend
the remainder of the day tending to that child and waiting on them hand and foot until they are better.

They must have a loving, age appropriate reply to, "You're not the boss
of me."

The kids vote them off the island based on performance. The last man
wins only if...he still has enough energy to be intimate with his spouse at a moment's notice.

I LOVE IT!

Thanks....

[Tamikosmom]

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TIM MILLER:  I've spent a lot of time with the Police Commissioner van der Straaten, and he told me that he has got enough stuff without a body for prosecution.http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/12/lkl.01.html

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PROSECUTION WITHOUT A BODY

Associated Press
July 1, 2005

Aruban officials have said previously a murder conviction is possible without a body, but the case requires strong evidence such as a confession, reliable statements and forensic evidence of wrongdoing. Aruba is a Dutch protectorate and as such operates under Dutch law.


STEVE COHEN -  OFFICIAL SPOKESPERSON FOR THE INVESTIGATION

Steve Cohen
DR. PHIL SHOW
January 29, 2006

"Dr. Phil asks him, “From your opinion, based on what
you know, do you believe that these boys are guilty of wrongdoing here?” Steve says that he does. “Do the prosecutors believe they are guilty of wrongdoing?” Steve says that they do. “Do you believe that [the boys] have available, intimate knowledge of what happened to her that night?” Again, Steve confirms that he does.

Steve explains, “Forensic materials continue to be collected. I think we’ve got our hands on some forensic material now that may actually open up the doors to the final results of this case.”

[Patti]

Well.....  One thing that I've changed since I've been busy with
my case is my bedtime.  It's early to bed, early to rise for me
so I'm going to say good-night.

I continue to pray for justice for Natalee and for all the people
who's lives are cut short or go missing.  And, as always, I shall
close with a phrase that I firmly believe in:

Boycott Aruba!

Nite All...

 

God Bless

[klaasend]

Nite Patti

[oldfart]

Patti

Long story made short..
Divoce is the norm now..  for what ever reason.
Most divorce law is way-way outdated.

When No children are involved (natural or adopted) should be one set of laws.
When children are involved another set (more laws) should apply.
But that is JMO
Like when a contractor offered to do a job for a little less if I paid cash so that income would not be reported towards his earning that determined his Child Support payments.
I made sure I had his Insurance coverage info... and then called him to let him know he did not get the job.. & his verbal offer & insurance info was being passed on to the Ins. company & certain county & state agencies.
He was quit unplesant on the phone  after that

I do wish you the best in your efforts