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« Reply #320 on: June 14, 2007, 11:26:46 AM »

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I know its been posted many times, but does C&C's close the same time every night?  Have been looking over PVs.


Never mind....the website says 3am on weekends, so I guess that means Friday & Saturday night....1am all other nights.
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« Reply #321 on: June 14, 2007, 11:27:49 AM »

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Hey BT!  Check it out!

The Colgate-Palmolive Company said Thursday that 5-ounce tubes of counterfeit toothpaste sold in discount stores in four states under a Colgate label are being recalled because they may contain a poisonous chemical.


Say it ain't so!!!!!!   Shocked   Shocked  Shocked
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« Reply #322 on: June 14, 2007, 11:36:46 AM »

According to information that DIARIO is receiving, when Joran van der Sloot was detained he started crying during interrogation and he even told officers that they buried Natalee in the neighborhood of Fishermen huts.  http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1260

I think this was a true statement but probably not at the fisherman huts area.  I think dompig was correct when he said she was moved several times. The Deep Sea would give the sloots that confidence of never being found. It seemed like the Aruban Authorities hampered all searches whether it was at the Landfill or at Sea.
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« Reply #323 on: June 14, 2007, 11:42:33 AM »

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According to information that DIARIO is receiving, when Joran van der Sloot was detained he started crying during interrogation and he even told officers that they buried Natalee in the neighborhood of Fishermen huts.  http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1260

I think this was a true statement but probably not at the fisherman huts area.  I think dompig was correct when he said she was moved several times. The Deep Sea would give the sloots that confidence of never being found. It seemed like the Aruban Authorities hampered all searches whether it was at the Landfill or at Sea.


I think there might have been evidence of some sort in the landfill, but I think that Natalee was probably taken out to sea. My main reason for saying that is that I think Tim must have some sort of compelling reason to invest that much in the ocean search.
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« Reply #324 on: June 14, 2007, 12:03:59 PM »

O/T Scary stuff!  Shocked

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,282234,00.html

Report: Internet-Addicted Boy Kills Mother Over Cyber Cafe Money

A 16-year-old boy who was apparently addicted to the Internet stabbed his mother to death in China after she refused to give him money to go to a cyber café, China's state media reported Thursday.

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« Reply #325 on: June 14, 2007, 12:06:17 PM »

O/T - Computer crisis in space

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,282132,00.html

Russians Get Space-Station Computers Partly Back Up


HOUSTON  —  Russian computers that control the international space station's orientation and oxygen and water supplies were partly working again Thursday after failing the day before.

(snipped)

Wonder if they have Windows Vista?  LOL  Laughing  Laughing
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« Reply #326 on: June 14, 2007, 12:12:50 PM »

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O/T - Computer crisis in space

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,282132,00.html

Russians Get Space-Station Computers Partly Back Up


HOUSTON  —  Russian computers that control the international space station's orientation and oxygen and water supplies were partly working again Thursday after failing the day before.

(snipped)

Wonder if they have Windows Vista?  LOL  Laughing  Laughing


 Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

The computer guys here at work have been telling me all day how great Vista is gonna be when they get it installed.  Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #327 on: June 14, 2007, 12:17:01 PM »

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O/T - Computer crisis in space

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,282132,00.html

Russians Get Space-Station Computers Partly Back Up


HOUSTON  —  Russian computers that control the international space station's orientation and oxygen and water supplies were partly working again Thursday after failing the day before.

(snipped)

Wonder if they have Windows Vista?  LOL  Laughing  Laughing


 Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

The computer guys here at work have been telling me all day how great Vista is gonna be when they get it installed.  Rolling Eyes


IF, the computer guys where you work update each software program too it may not be a problem.  

The biggest problem I've heard about Vista is that it's a memory hog.  Memory needs to be expanded or everything will seem sluggish.
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« Reply #328 on: June 14, 2007, 12:17:46 PM »

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O/T Scary stuff!  Shocked

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,282234,00.html

Report: Internet-Addicted Boy Kills Mother Over Cyber Cafe Money

A 16-year-old boy who was apparently addicted to the Internet stabbed his mother to death in China after she refused to give him money to go to a cyber café, China's state media reported Thursday.

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Indeed, .......a very sick' world we live in, but nothing ever surprises or shocks me anymore.
Hey Klaasss...on a lighter note, could you put this link someplace where people will actually see it to check out the MONKEY PILLOWCASES I found online.......LOL!!!!
http://www.thejunglestore.com/Monkey-Pillowcase-Design-?sc=2&category=14050

The price is for 1 case each (pricy, I know...but CUTE!)
Thanks. thumright
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« Reply #329 on: June 14, 2007, 12:20:53 PM »

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I created a thread for the pillow cases in the Monkey Lounge.  They're cute! Laughing
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« Reply #330 on: June 14, 2007, 12:23:41 PM »

No wonder GM is in the dumper....
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« Reply #331 on: June 14, 2007, 12:24:25 PM »

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Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T - Computer crisis in space

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,282132,00.html

Russians Get Space-Station Computers Partly Back Up


HOUSTON  —  Russian computers that control the international space station's orientation and oxygen and water supplies were partly working again Thursday after failing the day before.

(snipped)

Wonder if they have Windows Vista?  LOL  Laughing  Laughing


 Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

The computer guys here at work have been telling me all day how great Vista is gonna be when they get it installed.  Rolling Eyes


IF, the computer guys where you work update each software program too it may not be a problem.  

The biggest problem I've heard about Vista is that it's a memory hog.  Memory needs to be expanded or everything will seem sluggish.


Well, they know what they're in for if it doesn't work. Whenever I have a computer problem that they don't hop right on, I go down to their suite of offices and sit there and talk to them until they decide that fixing my problem is the better of the two options.  Laughing  Laughing
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« Reply #332 on: June 14, 2007, 12:27:47 PM »

It just goes to show how stupid they think we really are.  A speach by Clinton or anyone else is not worth $200K

But the favor they receive in return is probably worth 10 fold.

Just pisses me off
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« Reply #333 on: June 14, 2007, 12:28:23 PM »

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No wonder GM is in the dumper....

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all I had to do was see the headline to know that I wanted to barf.... Laughing
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« Reply #334 on: June 14, 2007, 12:32:49 PM »

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No wonder GM is in the dumper....

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all I had to do was see the headline to know that I wanted to barf.... Laughing

 Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

maybe they just wanted him to tell them the Monica story again
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« Reply #335 on: June 14, 2007, 12:33:01 PM »

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According to information that DIARIO is receiving, when Joran van der Sloot was detained he started crying during interrogation and he even told officers that they buried Natalee in the neighborhood of Fishermen huts.  http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1260

I think this was a true statement but probably not at the fisherman huts area.  I think dompig was correct when he said she was moved several times. The Deep Sea would give the sloots that confidence of never being found. It seemed like the Aruban Authorities hampered all searches whether it was at the Landfill or at Sea.


I think there might have been evidence of some sort in the landfill, but I think that Natalee was probably taken out to sea. My main reason for saying that is that I think Tim must have some sort of compelling reason to invest that much in the ocean search.


One thing I cant totally dismiss BT is the initial report that the small white pick up that was spotted was the ALE vehicle that was assigned to van der Straaten.

In the beginning there was the reports of an ALE license plate spotted on that vehicle and when the plate was ran it came back to va der Straaten. Also along with that report was the fact that some sort of bloody towel was also found in the vehicle.
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« Reply #336 on: June 14, 2007, 12:33:35 PM »

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It just goes to show how stupid they think we really are.  A speach by Clinton or anyone else is not worth $200K

But the favor they receive in return is probably worth 10 fold.

Just pisses me off



and it stays in each other's pockets.... it's just a game between "friends" to keep "friends" in business

notice they aren't paying you or me $200K and I can think of a lot to talk about.... Laughing
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« Reply #337 on: June 14, 2007, 12:34:43 PM »

good to see u mrs. red...nice dress.....

i have been internet celibate for a few weeks...don't wanna beat up people at the library to get on ya know???
actually...have pneumonia....sucks.....

got a hot tub tho......came w/ a cute hot tub guy...lol...is 23 too young for me???
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« Reply #338 on: June 14, 2007, 12:34:45 PM »

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No wonder GM is in the dumper....

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all I had to do was see the headline to know that I wanted to barf.... Laughing

 Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

maybe they just wanted him to tell them the Monica story again

don't even get me started on that...
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« Reply #339 on: June 14, 2007, 12:35:07 PM »

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Hello. I am new here, having come to help out Ramm who has been very busy. He has told me that many of you are anxious to read the statements from Joran's book.
They will follow in three parts. I am not very familiar with this so if they need to be transferred, please do so. Thank you.

 Page 124 statement Jamie:
I have known Joran since August through Freddy. Mostly Joran, Freddy,
Koen, Sander and I go out together. Joran is a good friend. I have never
had problems with him. I do not know him as an aggressive person. When
Joran is drunk he is very cheerful. On a certain day, I do not remember
what day I was called by Joran on my cellphone. He asked me if I could
remember that on a day he had asked me to go out with American girls.
Joran told me that the American girl that went out with him was now
missing. Deepak, Satish and Joran had dropped the girl off at the Holiday
Inn. Joran told me that he would talk about it later. A few days later,
on Friday June 3 or Saturday June 4 I had bought a pizza at Domino's.
After that I went to Joran's apartment. Koen, Sander and Joran were
playing poker there. I told them I had brought them pizza and cola. I asked
Joran if the missing girl was found. Joran said no. Then Joran told me
that Deepak, Satish and he had driven to Carlos and Charlies wi
th the grey Honda Civic from Deepak. and that later that they had
driven around, the three of them and the girl.
According to Joran the girl was strange because she had said that her
mother was the sister of Hitler. Joran said that the girl wanted to see
sharks and that they had dropped her of at the Holiday Inn. When Joran
was telling me this Joran's father entered the room and after that the
event was no longer discussed. Around 11 pm I left to go pick up my
father from work.

Page 125 Deepak's June 13 statement (about Joran's father) :
Joran's father believed the story we had told him. He was always polite
to me and my parents. When the case of the girl became serious towards
the end of the week, he had asked me if my father had a lawyer. I said
to him that he didn't. He asked me if I knew a good lawyer. I told him
that I did not have much experience with lawyers. He told me not to
worry; he himself would find a lawyer for me and my brother. Paul told me
that he had arranged lawyer Anthony Carlo for Joran.
Around 4:30 am I had went with my brother (Friday June 3) Satish to the
house of Joran, my mother was there also. She came during her break
from work.
Our parents met for the first time and we went to sit on the porch. My
mother first wanted to hear Joran's story before she could believe our
story. Joran had told the HI story. Joran's father said the situation
could go better or worse. He asked my mother whether we had a lawyer and
she said no we never had problems.
Joran's father said: Wait let me look for one for you. He went to get
his bag. He opened his bag and took out a note with some names on it.
Then Joran asked if I wanted something to drink, I said yes. Joran and
Satish went to get drinks. Paul said that Rudy Oomen is a good lawyer and
called him straight away. He gave the phone to my mother and she spoke
a little with Oomen. We had a meeting together on Saturday at 11 am.


Page 126, Deepak's June 14 (?) statement.
On Friday June 3 I went to work again from 9 am till 4 pm.
Joran called me in the morning. He was at school. He asked me how I
felt and I said, ok, I am fighting with it.
He said he did not feel good. He said he was stressed. I asked why. He
said he did not feel good about the whole situation and if I could stop
by since his mother would not let him go out to any place.
In the mean time Steve Croes had come to my place of work. Steve had
told me that he had seen us at the Holiday In, I had told this to Joran
in one of our conversations.
My mother had called me to say that she would go talk to Joran's
father. Around 4 pm my brother picked me up. We went to Joran's house. I told
Joran's father that my mother would come soon as she had her break from
work.
He told me he had learned from Joran that I had good news.
I told him about Steve. Joran's father said:" That indeed can be good
news".
My mother pushed the horn in front of the house, Joran's father went
out to meet her. My mother, Joran's father, Joran, Satish and me went
sitting outside.
Joran's father said: we all know about the situation in which the boys
find themselves. They are in trouble, The situation can go better or
worse. He informed Oomen that he had Carlo as a lawyer for his son, and
asked Oomen if he would represent us. Oomen agreed. After that Joran's
father called Anthony Carlo and said that he had called Oomen for us and
if Carlo could also come the next day for the appointment.
He also had asked the mobile phone number of Oomen and gave that to my
mother.
My mother left, her break was over.
After that we went to sit in Joran's room, 3 girlfriends of ours were
there also but after a while Sander, Flor, Amanda and Guylaila left.
Joran's father was also in the room. At a certain moment Joran asked
his father what would be the worse thing that could happen to us. Joran's
father said that we could be arrested and that we had to wait a little
so he could show us the entire schedule.
After a while he came back with the law book and an overview, he told
us precisely what would happen; that we first would be arrested, we
would be handcuffed and someone would read us our rights. So why we would
be arrested and then they would take us to the police bureau.
After that he showed us the schedule, and that we would stay there for
the first two days. That after two days we would go to the
Rechtercommisaris, and that after that we would get eight days.
He said we would be interrogated. He told that people would point out
our rights to us. So that we would have a right to remain silent, and
have a right to an attorney.
He said we should use our right to remain silent until we had spoken to
a lawyer. We stayed there the entire afternoon.
A while later Freddy came with Joran's friend Carmen, her sis Celine
and a friend.
We stayed there till around 10 pm. When Satish and me went to the car
Joran and Freddy walked with us. We stayed and talked briefly. In this
conversation we had spoken again about the sport shoes of Joran, how we
would arrange that. Freddy had already proposed to buy Joran new ones.
He had asked Joran if he had arranged that. Joran then said: Imagine
someone has murdered and buried her, then they will never find her and
they will always be after us. After that we went home.

Page 128, Deepak's June 10 statement.
(Deepak about how it was possible that he and Satish had a lawyer so
soon) :
After the witness statement Joran's father said we had a chance to get
arrested and that we should prepare for that.
That " preparing" was looking for a lawyer. Both our families had an
appointment at the same time with the lawyers at their office.
Our lawyer asked us if our witness statements were true and said we
should stick with that story.

Page 128, Deepak statement about the appointment with Rudy Oomen.
At around 10:30 am (Saturday June 4) I got up. After that the entire
family except for my sister went to the office of Oomen. When we arrived
there Joran, his parents and lawyer were already there. We took place
at the table and Rudy Oomen introduced himself. After that he said that
we had to tell the story again.We had told him the made up story, so
the Holiday Inn story. The lawyer said this was a serious matter. He also
said we had a chance to get arrested, but that he did not know how much
evidence the police had.
He further said if that would happen, that we had his phone number and
could call him.
On a certain moment the mobile phone of Joran's mother ringed. She
stood up and went outside.
After a while she came back and said that she had heard from a friend
that they had found the girl.
She asked Joran's father to call Van Der Straaten and verify this.
Joran's father called Van Der Straaten, but he did not answer his phone.
Joran's father said he would continue trying and if something was up we
would hear about it.
I have to tell you that I heard the name Van Der Straaten mentioned
very often. I did not know who he was until I started following the case.
After the meeting I went to my work. Joran went home. I did not see
Joran again that day, but I did call him.
I called him around 8 pm. I had told him I would come to him to stay
the night, but my mother did not agree with that, so I cancelled Joran.

Page 130, Deepak statement about June 5.
On Sunday June 5 I got up around 2:30 pm. My mother had woken me up
with the message that two people were arrested in the case of the girl.
Joran had called me twice. He asked me if I had seen the news. I
answered that I had seen the news and asked him if he thought that these guys
had done it. With that I meant kidnapped or something.
Around 7:30 pm my brother and I went to Joran's house. When we arrived
there we started to talk that that day things were better.
I thought the two guards were the perpetrators and that we would be
free now.
After that Joran's parents came. The father said: Boys, I think you are
not under pressure anymore now.
The mother was sort of bothersome that day. She said we had to go home
because Joran had exams the next day. After that we went to watch tv
for a while in Joran's room.
After a while we got hungry, we walked to Freddy's home. Then the four
of us went to a restaurant close by to buy food.
After this we went back to Joran's house, watched tv, ate and talked a
little. After a while Joran's father came and said we had to go home
because Joran had exams the next day. We went home.


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Page 133, Deepak statement about June 6.
On Monday June 6 I went to work. That day I did not see Joran. That day
"Operation Natalee" was on tv.
I thought that I would not go on the street that day. I thought if
people would see my grey car they would ruin it and beat me up. I just was
afraid to go on the streets.
After my work I went home. Around 6 pm Joran called me. He asked how I
was doing and what I was doing.
I told him that I was just home and asked him what he was doing.
He answered he was not doing ok because many people from the press were
in front of his house.
He further said that he was in his room and that his parents were
talking to the people from the press.
I told him to remain calm and that I would call him later. I send him
an sms after that: 'If the people from the press don't leave you have to
call the police'.


Page 133, Deepak statement about June 7.
Tuesday around 7 pm Joran called. He told me he was on his way home and
if there was no press I could come.
Around 8 pm I was there. Joran gave me an invitation to his graduation.
He also said that he had to see a psychiatrist the next day.
He said that his mother had placed him under the treatment of a
psychiatrist because it all was to much to handle anymore.

Page 133, Deepak statement about June 8.
That Wednesday Satish and I stayed until 01:45 at Joran's watching tv.
My mother called angry and said that we had to come home. When I walked
outside Joran asked Satish if he would come the next day to cut Joran's
hair.
On the way to the car Joran said to me: Do you remember the way back
from the Holiday Inn? I said yes, we have dropped off the girl and we
have brought you to your home. He said: Come to my room for a while, I
will explain to you on a piece of paper, it is very important.
He told me that I should remember (what we had done) after we had
dropped the girl off, I had to say that we drove off from the hotel and had
driven into a North-East direction and not in a South-West direction,
this to prevent that police would go and check camera's of the other
hotels and would see that we had not driven to the HI.
After that I told him ok and we went home.
At home I went online. Joran reminded me again that Satish had to come
to cut his hair the next day.
I went to sleep.
Why I did not tell this the first time? If I knew I had the devil as a
friend then I would not have let this happen. I have put my entire
family under stress. I can give you a list of the problems that Joran has.
He himself has said he had stolen money from his mother. He also says
that if his brothers go into his room he beats them. Joran has
completely beaten up a guy at Bahia, because according to him the guy had told
something about him to the headmaster that was not true.
Joran has destroyed more car front windows then any drug dealer on the
island. Sometimes when we are out he says: Lets go! If we ask him what
is going on he says he has smashed in a front window of a car. He also
has admitted that he has stolen property from tourists several times.
He goes to the casino's since he was 16. Everywhere where he sees a fire
alarm he has to put it on. He has performed a lot of vandalism in
several hotels. That is what I know about Joran since I know him. By now I
also know he is a super liar.

Page 135, Koen June 17 statement about June 8.
At 4:30 pm I was with Sander at Joran's house. Flor, Amanda and
Guylaila were there also. We were sitting in Joran's apartment.
The Natalee case was discussed. At a certain moment Joran asked us if
we could leave his room, so that he could talk to Flor alone. Sander,
Amanda, Guylaila and me went outside. After about 45 minutes Joran called
us back in. We saw every day that the media were talking about the
Natalee case. We asked what the consequences would be when he would be
arrested.
Joran said that if he would be arrested for a few days we should stand
behind him (back him up).

Page 138, PV from Joran's arrest.
On June 9 the man named Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot, born on
August 6 1987 in Holland, student in Aruba was arrested.
Also a search in the apartment of J.A.P. van der Sloot was performed.
During interrogations from the suspect Van der Sloot and his fellow
suspects they gave contradicting statements amongst other things about the
dropping off of the girl, which had led to a suspicion that the missing
girl very possibly could have stayed in the apartment of Joran van der
Sloot. Because of this there are grounds to start an investigation in
the apartment and to perform a technical investigation in the cars of
the parents.

Page 142, Joran's June 9 statement (partial).
We had driven around with Natalee, I had kissed her in the backseat. I
did not know how much she had drank because I only was there for an
hour. In the car she fell half asleep several times. We drove back to the
Holiday Inn, and parked on the left driveway, not the driveway that is
exactly in front of the lobby. Natalee got out and fell on the ground.
I got out of the car by the same door and helped her get up. After I
had done that Natalee told me not to touch her and she walked in the
direction of the lobby.
I saw she touched a pilar. We did not kiss eachother and I got back
into the car. After that we went home. Later when it became known that
Natalee was missing Deepak and Satish told me that they had seen a guard
in black when they drove away.
According to them he had a walkie talkie in his hands. Deepak and
Satish said that the guard walked into the direction of Natalee. After that
Deepak brought me to my house.

Page 148, Joran's June 10 statement (partial).
When Anthony came I told him that I had lied, that Deepak had dropped
me off at home and that he then had driven away with Natalee. I could
see Anthony was shocked. He said: "Then you have to tell that to the
police". So I went and gave a statement.
I told Jacobs that Deepak first had brought me home and that he by
himself had dropped off Natalee at the Holiday Inn. That Deepak had later
told me that it was better to say that the three of us had dropped the
girl off. And that it would be more credible if we said that the girl
upon arrival at the Holiday Inn had fallen on the ground. That Deepak
also had told me to say that the girl had fallen half asleep in the car
during the ride.

Page 154, Freddy after his June 12 statement:
(Joran) That night Freddy, per request of my mother, visited, to tell
everything.
Freddy's parents are coming along, because they do not find it a good
idea that Freddy goes alone. Besides my father Paul and my mother Anita
my lawyer Anthony Carlo is also present at our home per request of my
mother.
My mother asks Freddy to tell everything again.
Freddy: I could see on Anita's face that she did not know Joran had
left the girl on the beach and that he has lost his shoes. I also told
that Joran, Deepak, Satish and me had talked about it that I would buy new
shoes for Joran. Anita could not believe everything I was telling. (as
in amazed).
Carlo asks several times why Freddy thinks that Joran left his shoes
behind.
Freddy answers: Joran did not want to walk with his shoes on the beach
and probably left them behind because of that.
Freddy tells the beachstory again that I would have told him on Monday
May 30.
Carlo in between asks questions all the time.
Freddy: I felt he asked me those things because he thought that me as a
good friend of Joran could understand why he had done these things. I
do not believe he asked those questions because he thought Joran would
have told me, because he repeated every time: Why do you think that?
My father does not ask Freddy anything, but he does react on Freddy's
answers to my mother. He says: why does Joran lie, and why did he not
tell us that?
My mother had promised the conversation would last 10 minutes max, but
after half an hour Freddy's father gets up.
My parents did not agree with Joran's parents having invited me, Freddy
says.
After Carlo had called the head officer for permission to visit me, he
confronts me with what Freddy had said. I immediately admitted I had
lied and that Freddy was telling the truth.
To be honest at that moment I did not care anymore. I was sick of lying
and I was sick of myself.
I never forget how I, after I had spoken to Carlo, looked through a
small window and saw my mother with her best friend standing and crying.
Only on such a moment you realise everything you have done, and
especially what huge impact it can have on other people.


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Re: Remaining suspects statements (from book)
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Page 156, June 13 informal talk with Jan van der Straaten.
Jan van der Straaten, head commissar of the police, talked to me after
lunch around 1 pm, informally at the police station in Oranjestad. He
said: Joran, I have known your father for years. I only want to help
you. I am going to see to it that you can go to Holland. That you will not
have to go to jail, but that you will be committed in a mental
institution. You only will have to tell the truth.
In the PV from Jan van der Straaten of June 13 he writes about this:
On my question to Joran if he can tell what happened after the girl had
fallen asleep at the Fisherman's huts, he answers: I called Deepak and
he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and done something to
her.
On my question where the girl then is buried, he answers: I think she
is buried next to the Fisherman's Huts, other then that I would not
know.
I propose to Joran to answer the following question with just yes or
no. I ask Joran if the girl was thrown into the sea?
He answers: No, I mean, I don't know.
During the conversation Joran shows his emotions, they differed.
Sometimes he cries, sometimes he is very direct in his answers. Joran also
indicated he felt very sorry for his family, and that he is having the
best contact with his father.
I ask him why he then has lied to his father about the Holiday Inn.
Joran answers on that that he has disappointed his father by doing so.

Page 157 Joran June 13 statement.
At 2:40 pm I take back my earlier statement that Deepak has dropped off
Natalee by himself at the Holiday Inn.
I finally admit to the police that my earlier statements were lies.
My third statement is not entirely the truth. I am now willing to tell
the full truth.
That Deepak, Satish and Natalee early morning have driven to my house
is true.
Deepak drives, Satish sits besides him, and Natalee and I are on the
backseat. At around 1:40 pm we stop in front of my house. I ask her if
she want to come with me to my apartment, because I want to sleep with
her. I would after that call a cab for her that would bring her to the
hotel. Natalee does not want to enter, but she all of a sudden wants to
see sharks at North coast.
She speaks normal and her eyes are normal also, but she was a little
drunk and often fell half asleep.
Then we pass her hotel, but she does not want to go there. I tell
Deepak to drop us off at the Fisherman's huts. It is my intention to walk
back from there to the Holiday Inn and have sex on the way.
She leans on me after we got out of the car and while kissing we walk
into the direction of the Holiday Inn, but Natalee wants to walk into
the other direction. When we arrive at the Fisherman's huts we kiss. She
wants to stay sleeping on the beach, I want to go home, I have
try-exams the next day. I tell her I have to go home and that I am walking with
her into the direction of the hotel.
Natalee does not want to go back to her hotel, she wants me to to stay
with her looking at the stars and tells me again that she does not want
to go home. I lift her up and walk a while, but she wants me to put her
down. Around 3 am I call Deepak and ask him to pick me up. He asks
where the girl is. I say that she is sleeping on the beach and does not
want to listen to me. He would come immediately. I wake her up and tell
her that I am going to bring her to her hotel. She refuses and continues
to sleep. I think if it is not better to lift her up and take her with
me. I am lying next to Natalee thinking for 10 minutes, while she
sleeps.
I do not say anything to her because her eyes are closed.
When I hear Deepak's car arrive I wake her up again, and again she does
not want to come to with me to her hotel.
I get up and walk to the car. I tell Satish that Natalee is sleeping on
the beach. Satish answers: Don't f*** with that bitch, someone will
find her tomorrow.
Around 3:30 am Satish drops me off at my house. I have left my shoes on
the beach. Satish tells me he will go get them the next day. (note, on
page 171 Joran says that in his June 19 statement he first admitted it
was Satish who picked him up instead of Deepak).

Page 163, Paulus talks to Van der Straaten.
Van der Straaten: I pointed out that I was amazed about Joran's
different reactions. One moment crying, the other moment he is more cautious,
as if there are two Joran's.
Paul: It is true that Joran can lie. He has amongst other things been
in therapy for that by a psychiatrist. It was the intention he would
have his final appointment there today. We as parents have been there. We
thought it was going well with Joran, because the exit-meeting would
take place, but also the psychiatrist speaks her worries about that.
Van der Straaten: I ask Paul if he thinks it is respectful to leave a
girl of 18 years old alone on the beach after his son was satisfied.
Paul responds to this: No, for sure not. We as parents cannot agree with
that.
I confront Paul with the proposition that he knows exactly what
happened that night.
Paulus reacts non-verbal surprised and says: It surprises me that you
think that. If I would know I for sure would have informed you. I am
shocked that that is what you think.
I tell Paulus that he must not react that way, since by the first lie
he was also active in calling together a meeting with the other
suspects. Paulus says: It is true that I fully trusted the story of the boys,
and I have been disappointed in that.
(Paulus is asked about the fact that he gave an explanation about the
juridical procedures)
It is true indeed that I explained to them how the procedures of the
Wetboek van Strafvordering is.
On your question if I have said that if there is no body there is no
case I can declare that I might have said something meaning that it is
difficult to suspect someone of a crime when no body is found.
Joran is under treatment of a psychiatrist because he stole money from
us and has lied about that.
If Joran had told me he had killed the girl I would have gone to
justice with him.

Page 166, Joran statement June 16.
June 16, at 8:50 pm I am asked to further clarify a remark I made to
the Judge-Commissaris. I had said earlier that I had done something wrong
and that I was willing to give a statement about that:
What I meant when I spoke with the Judge-Commissaris, is that I made a
mistake by leaving Natalee alone on the beach.
About what I spoke for 8 minutes with Deepak on May 30 2005 at 2:26 am
while using my mobile phone I tell you that I cannot remember.

Page 170, Joran statement.
(when confronted with Deepak's 2:46 sms)
I do not recall which message Deepak sent to me. I don't know why
Deepak has sent me a message. I don't know what Deepak means with that he
will wait till I get home. I don't think I gave Deepak a missed call,
because on May 30 2005 around 3:15 he picked me up at the Fisherman's
Huts. I don't know what Deepak means with that I had to give him a missed
call.

Page 170, Joran statement.
(when confronted with the sms to Deepak at 3:13: Hey, thanks Swa, sleep
tight. I am home. Are you online?)
I do not recall if I send Deepak a message. I don't know why I had to
thank Deepak.

Page 171, Joran statement.
(recherche wants to know when first "no body no case" was discussed).
I do not recall the date when Deepak, Satish my father and me have
spoken about this.
-"Did you tell your father what happened to the missing girl Natalee
Holloway? When did you tell him the second story?"
I did not tell my father what happened to the girl. I told my father
only the first story.
I have never told my father that I left the girl at the Fisherman's
Huts.

Page 171 Joran June 19 statement.
At 5:30 pm, in my 9th statement I state that not Deepak but Satish has
picked me up at the Fisherman's huts.
That explains according to me the sms's to Deepak. Deepak wanted to
keep Satish out of everything, and I did not want to change my statement.

Page 197 Joran July 3 statement (after he was taken to the beach).
I just went with you to the spot where Natalee and me were dropped off
in the night of May 29-May 30 by Deepak and Satish, with Deepak's car.
On your question how late that was on or about, I can tell you the
following, I think it was at 1:50 am. I have been picked up by Satish prior
to 2:50 am.
I just walked the route with you just like Natalee and me have walked
that night. Natalee and me have walked over the beach in the direction
of the Holiday Inn, and finally right in front of the Marriott have lied
down on the beach.
After that we walked in the direction of North, in the direction of the
Fisherman's Huts.
I had left my shoes at the Marriott beach. After that we walked into
the direction of the Fisherman's huts. I had left my shoes at the
Marriott. We laid down at the first from cement made hut. On your question if
we made out there I can state the following, yes masturbation and
fingering. After that I called Deepak from behind the hut. So I could call
out of the wind because Deepak could not hear me well. Natalee remained
lying on the beach, I could see her. It was 2:26 at that time, I know
that because I have been confronted with that. The call lasted for 8
minutes. After this phone call Satish picked me up. He came with Deepak's
car, I heard the car coming and walked to the asphalt road. At the car
it turned out to be Satish and not Deepak. In front of the Marriott
there were several couples. I am informed by you that 3 witnesses were
there, where I pointed out where Natalee and me were lying down, fishing
at the exact same time. I can state the following. Then you are lyi
ng again to me trying to trick me. I know better, from now on I am
going to take my right to remain silent.
-There are 3 statements from fisherman who claim to have been at the
Fisherman's huts at the exact same period that I was there with Natalee.
But they say they did not see us. That is impossible, they must be
mistaken.
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"My client, Joran van der Sloot, played a MAJOR ROLE in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway."       
Antonio Carlo
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