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Easywriter
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Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
please click:
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Why in the world would Joran want to put that stuff in a book? Has the woman that wrote the book done any interviews?
Easy,
What is the site you linked to? The computers at work have it blocked.
I don't know. It just pops up there each time I post.
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I hope that Natalee's family is getting copies of the translations from Joran's book. These leave no doubt about the criminal past that VDS apologists have tried so hard to discount. He was a thug... she did not have a chance.
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Quote from: "the big hammer"
ISA: 5/30/05
Klaas -- a question
...
Do you have access to the student comment, or headmaster comment from International SChool of Aruba indicating jvds said Natalee hit her head on a rock and drowned? This supposedly happened on May 30, 2005.
Do we still have that comment w/ attribution and sourcing?
If yes, please post here --
Many Thanks.
It was probably a post at RWV. I'll see if I can find it, maybe Janet has it somewhere?
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EASYWRITER - RUN A VIRUS SCAN NOW
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In a Dutch interview Aruban Police Superintendent Jan van der Straten told the reporter that he doesn’t believe that Natalee is still alive.
With regard to Natalee’s status,
van der Straaten
gave the following statement to a Dutch reporter:
Translation:
Rep: Any hopes for a positive outcome?
Jan: You always have to be hopeful, but I don’t believe anymore that we will find Natalee alive.
Rep: Why not?
Jan: Because I know the details of the investigation and you don't !
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/07/reports_of_thre.php
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Reply #425 on:
June 14, 2007, 04:42:17 PM »
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "the big hammer"
ISA: 5/30/05
Klaas -- a question
...
Do you have access to the student comment, or headmaster comment from International SChool of Aruba indicating jvds said Natalee hit her head on a rock and drowned? This supposedly happened on May 30, 2005.
Do we still have that comment w/ attribution and sourcing?
If yes, please post here --
Many Thanks.
It was probably a post at RWV. I'll see if I can find it, maybe Janet has it somewhere?
From the archived World Journier timeline:
6:40 AM = Prime Suspect J. SLOOT was driven to school by his father, Current Suspect P. SLOOT, where the school�s headmaster, ROBERT WERNER, sees the 2 SLOOT�s. Reportedly the headmaster looks at Prime Suspect J. SLOOT and says aloud words to the effect, �You look terrible.� Several witnesses have claimed that Prime Suspect J. SLOOT had a noticeable bruise apparent on his facial cheek on 5-30. (another report claims that Prime Suspect J. SLOOT, supposedly, rode on his school bus--according to RENFRO: (the transplanted AMERICAN who has lived in ARUBA for 16+ years and has several business interests there), who said she �confirmed� that herself)
On 7-15 LACLE reported that a colleague reporter had gone to Prime Suspect J. SLOOT�s school on 6-9 to ask about Prime Suspect J. SLOOT. When LACLE�s colleague asked about Prime Suspect J. SLOOT to a person at the school he was told, �Oh, you mean that boy with the bruise.�
__:__ AM (?) = Prime Suspect J. SLOOT arrives at school, attends classes, and takes some final exams. (the whole week Prime Suspect J. SLOOT is taking final exams)
Supposedly, from a DUTCH newspaper�. The next day at school, Joran said to several of his school buddies who had been at the �Excelsior Casino� (and some who were at �Carlos �n Charlie's�) and had seen Natalie with him, words to this effect, �Hey, I banged that girl last night.� He was telling the story several times (as he would see guys who had seen him the night before ((guys ask things like... �Did you score with that chick?�)) and he would give them his report.
But, then the school master called him in and told him to not be talking that way, because it is �on the news that she never made it back to the hotel.� So, Joran (shocked by that news) quit telling of his conquest immediately�.but that claim goes against what Prime Suspect J. SLOOT�s mommy said on 6-22, which was AFTER 6-1, when she returned back in ARUBA, she was notified by a school official that he was still talking about NATALEE so much that the school official suggested to ANITA that he stop it. ANITA called Current Suspect P. SLOOT and told him, then he called Prime Suspect J. SLOOT who was on the school bus returning home after school on SOME DAY after 6-1 and told him to quit talking about NATALEE.
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June 14, 2007, 04:48:32 PM »
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "the big hammer"
ISA: 5/30/05
Klaas -- a question
...
Do you have access to the student comment, or headmaster comment from International SChool of Aruba indicating jvds said Natalee hit her head on a rock and drowned? This supposedly happened on May 30, 2005.
Do we still have that comment w/ attribution and sourcing?
If yes, please post here --
Many Thanks.
It was probably a post at RWV. I'll see if I can find it, maybe Janet has it somewhere?
From the archived World Journier timeline:
6:40 AM = Prime Suspect J. SLOOT was driven to school by his father, Current Suspect P. SLOOT, where the school�s headmaster, ROBERT WERNER, sees the 2 SLOOT�s. Reportedly the headmaster looks at Prime Suspect J. SLOOT and says aloud words to the effect, �You look terrible.� Several witnesses have claimed that Prime Suspect J. SLOOT had a noticeable bruise apparent on his facial cheek on 5-30. (another report claims that Prime Suspect J. SLOOT, supposedly, rode on his school bus--according to RENFRO: (the transplanted AMERICAN who has lived in ARUBA for 16+ years and has several business interests there), who said she �confirmed� that herself)
On 7-15 LACLE reported that a colleague reporter had gone to Prime Suspect J. SLOOT�s school on 6-9 to ask about Prime Suspect J. SLOOT. When LACLE�s colleague asked about Prime Suspect J. SLOOT to a person at the school he was told, �Oh, you mean that boy with the bruise.�
__:__ AM (?) = Prime Suspect J. SLOOT arrives at school, attends classes, and takes some final exams. (the whole week Prime Suspect J. SLOOT is taking final exams)
Supposedly, from a DUTCH newspaper�. The next day at school, Joran said to several of his school buddies who had been at the �Excelsior Casino� (and some who were at �Carlos �n Charlie's�) and had seen Natalie with him, words to this effect, �Hey, I banged that girl last night.� He was telling the story several times (as he would see guys who had seen him the night before ((guys ask things like... �Did you score with that chick?�)) and he would give them his report.
But, then the school master called him in and told him to not be talking that way, because it is �on the news that she never made it back to the hotel.� So, Joran (shocked by that news) quit telling of his conquest immediately�.but that claim goes against what Prime Suspect J. SLOOT�s mommy said on 6-22, which was AFTER 6-1, when she returned back in ARUBA, she was notified by a school official that he was still talking about NATALEE so much that the school official suggested to ANITA that he stop it. ANITA called Current Suspect P. SLOOT and told him, then he called Prime Suspect J. SLOOT who was on the school bus returning home after school on SOME DAY after 6-1 and told him to quit talking about NATALEE.
More from the WJ archives:
On 8-1 JUG said that
on 6-1 several of JUG�s friends took some of the �KIDNAPPED� posters to Prime Suspect J. SLOOT�s �International School.� The friends had written on the NATALEE �missing� posters something like �ask Joran van der Sloot about Natalee�s whereabouts.� While the friends were still at the school, the school�s headmaster, ROBERT WERNER, came out and asked them what they were doing, and if JUG�s friends were with the F.B.I. The friends told WERNER, who invited the friends into his school office. WERNER told JUG�s friends that the day before (5-31), the headmaster had spoken directly to Prime Suspect J. SLOOT and Current Suspect P. SLOOT in the headmaster�s office and that the headmaster told Prime Suspect J. SLOOT, �Joran, you need to come clean on what happened.� JUG said that
WERNER told his friends that Prime Suspect J. SLOOT said that he and NATALEE engaged in some form of sex, and, he also said that NATALEE may have hit her head while swimming that night.
The headmaster also told the friends that Prime Suspect J. SLOOT and Current Suspect P. SLOOT told WERNER that the reason that Current Suspect D. KALPOE�s car could not be seen in the �Holiday Inn� security camera video tapes around 2:00 AM on 5-30 is that �there was a break in the tape.�
((obviously, yet another lie conspiratorially concocted by the Suspects SLOOT�s and KALPOE�s before the early morning of 5-31 because the Suspects never viewed the �Holiday Inn� security cameras recorded video)) JUG also said that the headmaster has been interviewed by the ARUBA police.
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Lively Case Discussion #639 6/13 - 6/15/2007
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Reply #427 on:
June 14, 2007, 04:54:35 PM »
Quote from: "the big hammer"
ISA: 5/30/05
Klaas -- a question
...
Do you have access to the student comment, or headmaster comment from International SChool of Aruba indicating jvds said Natalee hit her head on a rock and drowned? This supposedly happened on May 30, 2005.
Do we still have that comment w/ attribution and sourcing?
If yes, please post here --
Many Thanks.
I only found this from NE
This week's National Enquirer advances the theory that Van Der Sloot confessed to his father that he dumped Holloway's body in shark-infested waters after she accidentally hit her head and drowned in an Ecstasy-induced stupor on an Aruban beach.
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/07/evidence_chat_b.php
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Reply #428 on:
June 14, 2007, 04:55:36 PM »
Quote from: "Blonde"
In a Dutch interview Aruban Police Superintendent Jan van der Straten told the reporter that he doesn’t believe that Natalee is still alive.
With regard to Natalee’s status,
van der Straaten
gave the following statement to a Dutch reporter:
Translation:
Rep: Any hopes for a positive outcome?
Jan: You always have to be hopeful, but I don’t believe anymore that we will find Natalee alive.
Rep: Why not?
Jan: Because I know the details of the investigation and you don't !
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/07/reports_of_thre.php
From the FP of Scared Monkeys 6/13/2005
Dutch newswire this morning (CET) reports that the dutch government sent two ‘experts’ to Aruba. The JD refused to elaborate on the field of expertise.
Policechief Jan van der Straten: ‘’Because we don’t want people to guess where this investigation is heading'’
. According to Van der Straaten they will do very detailled work and
didn’t bring search and
rescue
dogs.
Comment by Pays Bas | June 13, 2005, 2:42 am
VanderStraaten was surely trying to tell us SOMETHING
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June 14, 2007, 05:02:00 PM »
Quote from: "klaasend"
More from the WJ archives:
On 8-1 JUG said that
on 6-1 several of JUG�s friends took some of the �KIDNAPPED� posters to Prime Suspect J. SLOOT�s �International School.� The friends had written on the NATALEE �missing� posters something like �ask Joran van der Sloot about Natalee�s whereabouts.� While the friends were still at the school, the school�s headmaster, ROBERT WERNER, came out and asked them what they were doing, and if JUG�s friends were with the F.B.I. The friends told WERNER, who invited the friends into his school office. WERNER told JUG�s friends that the day before (5-31), the headmaster had spoken directly to Prime Suspect J. SLOOT and Current Suspect P. SLOOT in the headmaster�s office and that the headmaster told Prime Suspect J. SLOOT, �Joran, you need to come clean on what happened.� JUG said that
WERNER told his friends that Prime Suspect J. SLOOT said that he and NATALEE engaged in some form of sex, and, he also said that NATALEE may have hit her head while swimming that night.
The headmaster also told the friends that Prime Suspect J. SLOOT and Current Suspect P. SLOOT told WERNER that the reason that Current Suspect D. KALPOE�s car could not be seen in the �Holiday Inn� security camera video tapes around 2:00 AM on 5-30 is that �there was a break in the tape.�
((obviously, yet another lie conspiratorially concocted by the Suspects SLOOT�s and KALPOE�s before the early morning of 5-31 because the Suspects never viewed the �Holiday Inn� security cameras recorded video))
JUG also said that the headmaster has been interviewed by the ARUBA police
.
Klaas I looked in Grande's spread sheet and I don't see the head masters name as giving a statement.
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That Might Be It Klass -- Thanks
To reiterate:
More from the WJ archives:
On 8-1 JUG said that on 6-1 several of JUG�s friends took some of the �KIDNAPPED� posters to Prime Suspect J. SLOOT�s �International School.� The friends had written on the NATALEE �missing� posters something like �ask Joran van der Sloot about Natalee�s whereabouts.� While the friends were still at the school, the school�s headmaster, ROBERT WERNER, came out and asked them what they were doing, and if JUG�s friends were with the F.B.I. The friends told WERNER, who invited the friends into his school office. WERNER told JUG�s friends that the day before (5-31), the headmaster had spoken directly to Prime Suspect J. SLOOT and Current Suspect P. SLOOT in the headmaster�s office and that the headmaster told Prime Suspect J. SLOOT, �Joran, you need to come clean on what happened.�
JUG said that WERNER told his friends that Prime Suspect J. SLOOT said that he and NATALEE engaged in some form of sex, and, he also said that NATALEE may have hit her head while swimming that night.
The headmaster also told the friends that Prime Suspect J. SLOOT and Current Suspect P. SLOOT told WERNER that the reason that Current Suspect D. KALPOE�s car could not be seen in the �Holiday Inn� security camera video tapes around 2:00 AM on 5-30 is that �there was a break in the tape.� ((obviously, yet another lie conspiratorially concocted by the Suspects SLOOT�s and KALPOE�s before the early morning of 5-31 because the Suspects never viewed the �Holiday Inn� security cameras recorded video)) JUG also said that the headmaster has been interviewed by the ARUBA police.
Old Post 7/31/06 9:50am. Shizaru responding to Hammer
the big hammer wrote:
Get Inside Spin Cycle
Shizaru writes: "... Natalee is totally disoriented and may not even realize where they are. She stumbles and falls when she gets out of the car, as 2K described in their original story..."
The "original" story is dished up at ISA on May 30, 2005. We have heard numerous tales of goon demeanor at school this day: he sleeps on floor, he aces tests, he is incoherent and bumbles thru day, etc.
BUT -- ISA headmaster reports that jvds has told stories at school, evidently corroborated by classmates that Natalee "fell and hit her head and then drowned while swimming."
THIS IS CRITICAL. For two reasons -- and two reasons ONLY. These reasons do not revolve around core veracity of story: ie, she hits head and drowns (as these two events could be independently linked to a sequential event -- because they can't...).
The two reasons are:
1. This story as told by jvds at school PRECEDES any poolside strategy session. These few hours are the only hours in which goon operates outside the purview of handlers and managers -- he is on his own, And true to form, he is babbling. pvds poolsode strategy w/ k2 had to happen at earliest AFTER SCHOOL on 5/30. This is the ONLY opportunity we have to see goon tell tale unvarnished (though likely untruthful).
2. Regardless of all the tales spun regarding events of the evening in question, jvds relays story to classmates that Natalee Ann Holloway is DEAD. For my analytic purposes, all the rest sits second. Within 7-8 hours of meeting and leaving w/ Natalee from C&C's -- Joran Van Der Sloot is relaying a story at school that natalee is DEAD.
______________________________________
We know from book that on 5/31 ISA headmaster called jvds and pvds to school meeting and asked for accounting of evening in question. It was at this meeting that paulus offered up take of broken HI tape missing the drop off his son previously described the nite before to HT family.
Further, we have unconfirmed reports that headmaster phoned Anita in Holland to tell her son to "STFU" on 5/30, prompting Anita to engage her deviant son via phone and to catch next available flight from Holland to Aruba arriving June 1. Which she did.
Further, and most importantly, after babbling at ISA on 5/30 about the drowning death of Natalee Holloway, jvds was ready with a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT story when HT family arrived in his father's driveway only 11 hours later (assuming school release is 3:00pm 5/30 and HT arrive in driveway at 2:00am on 5/31).
Getting inside the spin cycle and observing goon BEFORE he could be managed is KEY. Left to his own devices, and while any other perp would have been organizing an uneventful and routine daily procedure, jvds was saying all the wrong things at the wrong time.
Gimme a break -- they had him "dead to rights."
I think the hit her head and drowned talk at school was on 5/31, not 5/30. Jug said the headmaster told him Joran presented it as speculation: MAYBE she hit her head and drowned. It is interesting tho that Joran was talking about drowning, at a time when everyone else in Aruba including the polis seemed to think she had just run off. Even if it was 5/31 and not 5/30, still suspicious that his "theory" involved her being being dead, that early. Also suggests that she was disposed of in the water.
From Blonde -- THANKS
I only found this from NE
This week's National Enquirer advances the theory that Van Der Sloot confessed to his father that he dumped Holloway's body in shark-infested waters after she accidentally hit her head and drowned in an Ecstasy-induced stupor on an Aruban beach.
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When Satish and me went to the car Joran and Freddy walked with us. We stayed and talked briefly.
In this conversation we had spoken again about the sport shoes of Joran, how we would arrange that. Freddy had already proposed to buy Joran new ones.
He had asked Joran if he had arranged that. Joran then said:
Imagine
someone has murdered and buried her, then they will never find her and
they will always be after us.
After that we went home.
The sneakers are a BIG issue here obviously. Why? And why is Freddy, who supposedly wasn't involved in this, rushing out to buy Joran some new sneakers???
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June 14, 2007, 05:14:27 PM »
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by Lazlo at RU:
Joran's book not to be published in the US.
FYI
Lazlo was asked if he knew WHY Joran's book would not be published in the US and this was his response:
I was told 2 reasons (there might be more).
1- The assumption of US publishers is that the public in the US is not interested to read the story of the prime suspect in the case.
2- Publishers fear them publishing the book will result in commotion/negative publicity for them, media, public etc.
they left out another reason IMO
3- Limit liability of potential lawsuits by others written about in the book. In other words Joran is a loose cannon with a propensity to lie and use his sick imagination.
4 - they have lost their ass on the book in Holland because no ones buying it
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Quote from: "the big hammer"
Sounds Like "A Deal"?
From JusticeforNatalee's post: Johanna at BFN
Page 156, June 13 informal talk with Jan van der Straaten.
Jan van der Straaten, head commissar of the police, talked to me after lunch around 1 pm, informally at the police station in Oranjestad. He said: Joran, I have known your father for years. I only want to help you.
I am going to see to it that you can go to Holland. That you will not have to go to jail, but that you will be committed in a mental institution.
You only will have to tell the truth.
_______________________________________________
You mean, as per jvds book, there is a PV or statement indicating this?
What does this sound like to you?
Van der Straaten seems to know that joran killed Natalee, and he's trying to cut a deal. Probably would use the goon's psychiatric treatments as support for such a defense and finding.
Now that's a "
WOW
".
.
I thought the same thing when I read that.
Add to the fact that Paulus was reading the "schedule" to the boys over at van der sloot dump and it really makes you go HMMMMMMM
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Someone should post "The Deal" and what it implies over at FOB.
Seawolf? Facil?
(Hey, I'm not registered there. LOL)
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Quote from: "klaasend"
EASYWRITER - RUN A VIRUS SCAN NOW
Think I got it! The only thing a scan turned up was "VirtualBouncer" which is a memory resident spyware thing. Earlier I was searching for nautical maps of the waters around Aruba. That led me to a NL site that caused a warning and locked up my computer.
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Quote from: "AnnieMW1"
When Satish and me went to the car Joran and Freddy walked with us. We stayed and talked briefly.
In this conversation we had spoken again about the sport shoes of Joran, how we would arrange that. Freddy had already proposed to buy Joran new ones.
He had asked Joran if he had arranged that. Joran then said:
Imagine
someone has murdered and buried her, then they will never find her and
they will always be after us.
After that we went home.
The sneakers are a BIG issue here obviously. Why? And why is Freddy, who supposedly wasn't involved in this, rushing out to buy Joran some new sneakers???
Because Freddy is involved up to his eyeballs. Paulus arranged for a lawyer for Freddy that first week. The only one Paulus didn't arrange for a lawyer for was Guido. Guido's father was smart enough to hire the top lawyer in the Netherlands.
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Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "the big hammer"
Sounds Like "A Deal"?
From JusticeforNatalee's post: Johanna at BFN
Page 156, June 13 informal talk with Jan van der Straaten.
Jan van der Straaten, head commissar of the police, talked to me after lunch around 1 pm, informally at the police station in Oranjestad. He said: Joran, I have known your father for years. I only want to help you.
I am going to see to it that you can go to Holland. That you will not have to go to jail, but that you will be committed in a mental institution.
You only will have to tell the truth.
_______________________________________________
You mean, as per jvds book, there is a PV or statement indicating this?
What does this sound like to you?
Van der Straaten seems to know that joran killed Natalee, and he's trying to cut a deal. Probably would use the goon's psychiatric treatments as support for such a defense and finding.
Now that's a "
WOW
".
.
HAMMER
- yes big WOW. This is the full translation of that section of JORAN'S BOOK:
Page 156, June 13 informal talk with Jan van der Straaten.
Jan van der Straaten, head commissar of the police, talked to me after
lunch around 1 pm, informally at the police station in Oranjestad. He
said: Joran, I have known your father for years. I only want to help
you. I am going to see to it that you can go to Holland. That you will not
have to go to jail, but that you will be committed in a mental
institution. You only will have to tell the truth.
In the PV from Jan van der Straaten of June 13 he writes about this:
On my question to Joran if he can tell what happened after the girl had
fallen asleep at the Fisherman's huts, he answers: I called Deepak and
he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and done something to
her.
On my question where the girl then is buried, he answers: I think she
is buried next to the Fisherman's Huts, other then that I would not
know.
I propose to Joran to answer the following question with just yes or
no. I ask Joran if the girl was thrown into the sea?
He answers: No, I mean, I don't know.
During the conversation Joran shows his emotions, they differed.
Sometimes he cries, sometimes he is very direct in his answers. Joran also
indicated he felt very sorry for his family, and that he is having the
best contact with his father.
I ask him why he then has lied to his father about the Holiday Inn.
Joran answers on that that he has disappointed his father by doing so.
Informal talk with Jan van der Straaten June 13th
This is all happening in same time frame as "one of the suspects has confessed and is leading us to the body"
Did Joran tell Jan van der Straaten the truth and at the last minute they retracted the confession? Did they come up with a plan B that did not involve doing time in a rubber room?
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Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "the big hammer"
Sounds Like "A Deal"?
From JusticeforNatalee's post: Johanna at BFN
Page 156, June 13 informal talk with Jan van der Straaten.
Jan van der Straaten, head commissar of the police, talked to me after lunch around 1 pm, informally at the police station in Oranjestad. He said: Joran, I have known your father for years. I only want to help you.
I am going to see to it that you can go to Holland. That you will not have to go to jail, but that you will be committed in a mental institution.
You only will have to tell the truth.
_______________________________________________
You mean, as per jvds book, there is a PV or statement indicating this?
What does this sound like to you?
Van der Straaten seems to know that joran killed Natalee, and he's trying to cut a deal. Probably would use the goon's psychiatric treatments as support for such a defense and finding.
Now that's a "
WOW
".
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HAMMER
- yes big WOW. This is the full translation of that section of JORAN'S BOOK:
Page 156, June 13 informal talk with Jan van der Straaten.
Jan van der Straaten, head commissar of the police, talked to me after
lunch around 1 pm, informally at the police station in Oranjestad. He
said: Joran, I have known your father for years. I only want to help
you. I am going to see to it that you can go to Holland. That you will not
have to go to jail, but that you will be committed in a mental
institution. You only will have to tell the truth.
In the PV from Jan van der Straaten of June 13 he writes about this:
On my question to Joran if he can tell what happened after the girl had
fallen asleep at the Fisherman's huts, he answers: I called Deepak and
he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and done something to
her.
On my question where the girl then is buried, he answers: I think she
is buried next to the Fisherman's Huts, other then that I would not
know.
I propose to Joran to answer the following question with just yes or
no. I ask Joran if the girl was thrown into the sea?
He answers: No, I mean, I don't know.
During the conversation Joran shows his emotions, they differed.
Sometimes he cries, sometimes he is very direct in his answers. Joran also
indicated he felt very sorry for his family, and that he is having the
best contact with his father.
I ask him why he then has lied to his father about the Holiday Inn.
Joran answers on that that he has disappointed his father by doing so.
Informal talk with Jan van der Straaten June 13th
This is all happening in same time frame as "one of the suspects has confessed and is leading us to the body"
Did Joran tell Jan van der Straaten the truth and at the last minute they retracted the confession? Did they come up with a plan B that did not involve doing time in a rubber room?
We have that PV in the important case document forum but it doesn't go into as much detain as what is said in Joran's book:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=175
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June 14, 2007, 05:33:52 PM »
Quote from: "klaasend"
We have that PV in the important case document forum but it doesn't go into as much detain as what is said in Joran's book:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=175
I'm wondering what was edited out.
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