Lively Case Discussion #639 6/13 - 6/15/2007

[Rob]

*******- the only people I know that died around the time of Natalee are Juni Tromp who was stabbed by the Rasta on the same night Natalee had her ill fated encounter with the pimps and the other young woman Jailitza* who died around the 5th.

no young kid that I know of.

Rob do you remember hearing about a young girl found on the beach there dead?...it was ruled a suicide by overdose. Was that the death on the 5th you are refering to?

Sorry BB- I don't know her cause of death. I see that she actually died on 6-2-2007.

Some many people hanging themselves, drinking poison, jumping off roof tops.. it's hard to keep them all straight.

[Observer]

Joran was right -  there is a true comparison to OJ here. He wasn't making that up at all.

At first I thought that was just some melodramatics....boy was I wrong.

I see alot of diffrences. At least the Brown family had the satisfaction of seeing him guilty in the civil trial. Also just a few days ago I read that they were freezing the acct of the dummy corporation set up by simpsons children. Of course the company went bankrupt and most of the funds were spent by the time they did this. As of right now Joran gets to reap the rewards of every dollar that he earns from that book.

[bleachedblack]

*******- the only people I know that died around the time of Natalee are Juni Tromp who was stabbed by the Rasta on the same night Natalee had her ill fated encounter with the pimps and the other young woman Jailitza* who died around the 5th.

no young kid that I know of.

Rob do you remember hearing about a young girl found on the beach there dead?...it was ruled a suicide by overdose. Was that the death on the 5th you are refering to?

Sorry BB- I don't know her cause of death. I see that she actually died on 6-2-2007.

Some many people hanging themselves, drinking poison, jumping off roof tops.. it's hard to keep them all straight.

Just wondering. I remember reading  about this around the time Natalee went missing, but never able to find more. It stuck in my head I remember
how strange it  sounded that soemone would commit suicide on the beach.....didn't believe it. Now I am sure it was not the case.

[crazybabyborg]

Hey Guys! Just skimming the last couple of pages, but there's a flavor of new information...................Something in Joran's book?

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is there any monkey radio tonight?  anyone?

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has TES given a date yet?

[Destiny]

so how do the nutjobs that defend him account for this?
If this was told to a jury they would say throw away the key.

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I agree Anna. He convicts himself in his own book and the information was available to law enforcement and the prosecutor and the judges in the first 10 days. Van der Straten even tries to plea bargain with Paulus, which isn't even supposed to happen in the Dutch system. Why has this taken over two years? If this isn't corruption on all levels of the Aruban and Dutch systems then there's no such thing. And we haven't seen it all yet.

JMOHO.... *gut feeling* is that Joran is a very unhappy camper in Holland...as he stated IS much stricter than Aruba, which was HIS PRIVATE PLAYGROUND WITH NO RULES*.

I THINK JORAN DOES FEEL *UNTOUCHABE* And is doing a little blackmail temper tantrum with his book, his version.  He's also putting some heat on some ppl in his book.  Some veiled threats between the lines.  I also think he is major pissed at Pappa...but as we know Mama runs the show.

Putting on kevlar undies...remember just my *gut* feelings

Destiny

[Rob]

BB if you look at the amount of young people who died over about an 6-8 month period, I think the only thing that could have killed all those young people would be Ecstasy. They must have had some people overdose and they just call it suicide to deflate their drug overdose numbers.

If there were 15 young people out of a population that died under the age of thirty (most of these were all around 25 or younger) I would think that some UN body or Caribbean Health Organization would want to look into what is exactly happening as to why their numbers are out of skew with the rest of the region.

If your total population is (who knows what the number really is) 90,ooo and 25,ooo of those people are young adults and you have 15 of them dead, that has to be above and beyond the normal

[klaasend]

is there any monkey radio tonight?  anyone?

Nope, but I believe tomorrow night there will be a great show.  I'll ask Red if I can give info on it as soon as I see him online  

[Rob]

BB if you look at the amount of young people who died over about an 6-8 month period, I think the only thing that could have killed all those young people would be Ecstasy. They must have had some people overdose and they just call it suicide to deflate their drug overdose numbers.

If there were 15 young people out of a population that died under the age of thirty (most of these were all around 25 or younger) I would think that some UN body or Caribbean Health Organization would want to look into what is exactly happening as to why their numbers are out of skew with the rest of the region.

If your total population is (who knows what the number really is) 90,ooo and 25,ooo of those people are young adults and you have 15 of them dead, that has to be above and beyond the normal rate for young people in the same age group for the region.

I hit enter by accident before finishing the post.

[blah]

Hey Guys! Just skimming the last couple of pages, but there's a flavor of new information...................Something in Joran's book?

he admits telling Freddy the story before Natalee was missing

There is an interesting conversation with Van Der Sraten where Van Der Straten is pretty much cutting a deal for Joran saying he will see to it that Joran doesnt have to go to jail but he will have to tell the truth and do a little time in a mental institution in holland

[blah]

Hey Guys! Just skimming the last couple of pages, but there's a flavor of new information...................Something in Joran's book?

he admits telling Freddy the story before Natalee was missing
There is an interesting conversation with Van Der Sraten where Van Der Straten is pretty much cutting a deal for Joran saying he will see to it that Joran doesnt have to go to jail but he will have to tell the truth and do a little time in a mental institution in holland

woops I screwed that up

What I meant to say is that he told Freddy the story on the 30th rather than the 31st which means he told Freddy Natalee was missing before he was supposed to even know it

[bleachedblack]

Rob wrote;

BB if you look at the amount of young people who died over about an 6-8 month period, I think the only thing that could have killed all those young people would be Ecstasy. They must have had some people overdose and they just call it suicide to deflate their drug overdose numbers.

I wonder if there are "bad batches" of Ecstasy same as with heroin and other drugs? Seems highly probable to me.

[Rob]

just thought of something.

maybe Joran TOOK the deal and the Aruban Authorities reneged? Joran is left in limbo?
He's guilty but can't ever be arrested. Deepak say on the Skeeters tape, he's not going back to jail, he knows too much. Could this be what he is referring to?

Maybe Joran CONFESSED and the Aruban Authorities RETRACTED IT

[blah]

my communication skills suck and it is because I am braindead

 

[Rob]

Rob wrote;

BB if you look at the amount of young people who died over about an 6-8 month period, I think the only thing that could have killed all those young people would be Ecstasy. They must have had some people overdose and they just call it suicide to deflate their drug overdose numbers.

I wonder if there are "bad batches" of Ecstasy same as with heroin and other drugs? Seems highly probable to me.

put just the right amount of chemicals together and everything is ok. A little too much of this or that all mixed in a bathtub and people die.

[klaasend]

just thought of something.

maybe Joran TOOK the deal and the Aruban Authorities reneged? Joran is left in limbo?
He's guilty but can't ever be arrested. Deepak say on the Skeeters tape, he's not going back to jail, he knows too much. Could this be what he is referring to?

Maybe Joran CONFESSED and the Aruban Authorities RETRACTED IT

Of course he confessed and they retracted it.  

[Anna]

just thought of something.

maybe Joran TOOK the deal and the Aruban Authorities reneged? Joran is left in limbo?
He's guilty but can't ever be arrested. Deepak say on the Skeeters tape, he's not going back to jail, he knows too much. Could this be what he is referring to?

Maybe Joran CONFESSED and the Aruban Authorities RETRACTED IT

Of course he confessed and they retracted it.  

Yep, Uncle Ben and Uncle Jan could never allow the Sporter to make a straight up confession.  They were there to prevent that from happening.  Not all ALE got the word, however, like Dompig, and mistakenly leaked the confession originally.  They they had to retract it from the media.

Ever see a confession retracted like this before?  He is even telling them where the body is buried, etc. when suddenly he didn't say a word.

The original excuse was that it was taken after the allowed hours for questioning a minor.  Next thing we knew, it never happened.  

[truthseeker2]

just thought of something.

maybe Joran TOOK the deal and the Aruban Authorities reneged? Joran is left in limbo?
He's guilty but can't ever be arrested. Deepak say on the Skeeters tape, he's not going back to jail, he knows too much. Could this be what he is referring to?

Maybe Joran CONFESSED and the Aruban Authorities RETRACTED IT

Now that could very well have been how it happened.  Some under the table deal and the only people that could mess that up are the Dutch investigators.  Let's hope they have the guts to do it.

[Rob]

just thought of something.

maybe Joran TOOK the deal and the Aruban Authorities reneged? Joran is left in limbo?
He's guilty but can't ever be arrested. Deepak say on the Skeeters tape, he's not going back to jail, he knows too much. Could this be what he is referring to?

Maybe Joran CONFESSED and the Aruban Authorities RETRACTED IT

Of course he confessed and they retracted it.  

Right Klaas, but are you following me here? Maybe this is even more diabolical than we thought. Could it be Joran came clean and told it all, and they decide Natalee was better off a missing person and that would be better in the long run.

Once they made their decision they were stuck. Is it possible that the suspect did tell all and the authorities once they knew what the needed to know took over and cleaned the mess up and then took the onus on themselves??? Follow me here? I know I'm confusing.