Lively Case Discussion #639 6/13 - 6/15/2007

[blah]

*******- the only people I know that died around the time of Natalee are Juni Tromp who was stabbed by the Rasta on the same night Natalee had her ill fated encounter with the pimps and the other young woman Jailitza* who died around the 5th.

no young kid that I know of.

Rob do you remember hearing about a young girl found on the beach there dead?...it was ruled a suicide by overdose. Was that the death on the 5th you are refering to?

Sorry BB- I don't know her cause of death. I see that she actually died on 6-2-2007.

Some many people hanging themselves, drinking poison, jumping off roof tops.. it's hard to keep them all straight.

Just wondering. I remember reading  about this around the time Natalee went missing, but never able to find more. It stuck in my head I remember
how strange it  sounded that soemone would commit suicide on the beach.....didn't believe it. Now I am sure it was not the case.

OMG

Hmm let me see, we have a man with his head cut off.

  A Dead 7 year old boy that Aruba said they found in the rock area when Natalee was first missing.

A guy was found dead he had a bottle of poision by his side.

This was all in the first few weeks of Natalee disappearing.

dont forget about the miscellaneous body parts washing up all over the friggen place

[Easywriter]

Who called Anita with the news that Natalee had been found and when did that happen?  She immediately asks Paulus to call Van Der Stratten in order to get the inside scoop.  Later VDS interviews Joran and tells him he is a whack job and should be put in a mental hospital.  He also confronts Paulus and insults him with questions about PVDS’ involvement.  Then things really start to get crazy.  Did PVDS leave his meeting with VDS and make a few calls?  Did he remind someone about something in their past?

We need to get back to the basic who, what, when and where!

[Observer]

It was never just about Joran.

TOURISM is what they have been protecting or rather trying to do.

.

yep

I cant help but think of the closed door meeting in the judges chamber before Joran was released. Maybee he did do time in a mental institution in holland??He was MIA for a bit in Holland and we know he was not in school at the time.

[truthseeker2]

Who called Anita with the news that Natalee had been found and when did that happen?  She immediately asks Paulus to call Van Der Stratten in order to get the inside scoop.  Later VDS interviews Joran and tells him he is a whack job and should be put in a mental hospital.  He also confronts Paulus and insults him with questions about PVDS’ involvement.  Then things really start to get crazy.  Did PVDS leave his meeting with VDS and make a few calls?  Did he remind someone about something in their past?

We need to get back to the basic who, what, when and where!

My guess...Julia/Glenda/Bondia

[blah]

Who called Anita with the news that Natalee had been found and when did that happen?  She immediately asks Paulus to call Van Der Stratten in order to get the inside scoop.  Later VDS interviews Joran and tells him he is a whack job and should be put in a mental hospital.  He also confronts Paulus and insults him with questions about PVDS’ involvement.  Then things really start to get crazy.  Did PVDS leave his meeting with VDS and make a few calls?  Did he remind someone about something in their past?

We need to get back to the basic who, what, when and where!

Joran, in the back of Deepak's car with his belt/leash

[Rob]

San all good points, I agree on some of them.

They only thing I would concluded possibly differently would be Joran gets the sweetheart deal and the Kalpoes get testified against by Joran and they go to jail for 15 years.

[wreck]

just thought of something.

maybe Joran TOOK the deal and the Aruban Authorities reneged? Joran is left in limbo?
He's guilty but can't ever be arrested. Deepak say on the Skeeters tape, he's not going back to jail, he knows too much. Could this be what he is referring to?

Maybe Joran CONFESSED and the Aruban Authorities RETRACTED IT

Of course he confessed and they retracted it.  

Right Klaas, but are you following me here? Maybe this is even more diabolical than we thought. Could it be Joran came clean and told it all, and they decide Natalee was better off a missing person and that would be better in the long run.

Once they made their decision they were stuck. Is it possible that the suspect did tell all and the authorities once they knew what the needed to know took over and cleaned the mess up and then took the onus on themselves??? Follow me here? I know I'm confusing.

Well, that's been my theory for a long time now!! The case was SOLVED no later than June 10th when they "had a confession" and were "being led to the body."

The COVER-UP was MANDATED by ODUBER/AHATA because a "missing person" was much more palitabe than the ugly tTRUTH of a grisley murder committed by LOCALS!!!!!

[sb]

I think it is bigger even than the tourism issue.

Joran is representative of the European elites who have ruled Aruba for a long time. We have been connecting dots for 2 years now and we have clearly seen a nexus between the ruling elites and the drug-pornography-organized crime interests that are running rampant all over the world. The Netherlands is at the forefront of all this.  Sure, American tourist $$$ helps fuel that empire, but it is not the MONEY they are afraid of losing.

It is the EXPOSURE of the fact that Aruba is essentially the only state in the entire world whose government is controlled by the worldwide corruption empire.  The ones in charge cannot stand the thought that they will be brought to light.

The sad fact is, Aruba will get its $$$ from somewhere. They are shaking down the Chinese right now. They have O-I-L.

This coverup is not just about Joran or tourism... it is about the risk of exposure of the extent of corruption on Aruba. They do not even want the rest of the world to SUSPECT what they are doing down there.

[AZSunny]

Rob,

Your theory might give us the reason for Van Der Straaten's departure.  If everyone on that island was not in agreement with the plan, he needed to skeedaddle out of there.  Now, everyone is just leaving things alone sotospeak.   Not trying Joran and not admitting to his confession.  Van Der Straaten is out of the limelight...no more questions about his methods.  

This is starting to make some sense.

But doesn't Van Der Straaten have a similar role on Bonaire?  That is pretty close if one wants to disappear.  He really isn't out of the limelight in his new role.  Just different island (adjoining)  and still  under the Dutch.

[San]

San all good points, I agree on some of them.

They only thing I would concluded possibly differently would be Joran gets the sweetheart deal and the Kalpoes get testified against by Joran and they go to jail for 15 years.

No they won't go to jail because that means Paulus goes to jail also.  At this point they are trying to keep Paulus out of it.  The Kalpoes know who, what, when and where.  A lot of people are going to jail and the Kalpoes say if you try and screw me I have nothing to lose and everyone else is going down with us.  JMO.

[Easywriter]

The story about the family in CHANNAHON, IL makes me think about why some stories grip people more than others.  I don’t really think it has to do with the fact that this was a physically beautiful family, living the American dream by all appearances.  I think it has to do with the unexpected.  These were not people scratching out an existence with a homemade meth lab.

Oh, I don’t know what I am trying to say.  It is just so heart-breaking to see pictures of those kids and wonder who could be so cold as to shoot them to death that way.

[BTgirl]

The story about the family in CHANNAHON, IL makes me think about why some stories grip people more than others.  I don’t really think it has to do with the fact that this was a physically beautiful family, living the American dream by all appearances.  I think it has to do with the unexpected.  These were not people scratching out an existence with a homemade meth lab.

Oh, I don’t know what I am trying to say.  It is just so heart-breaking to see pictures of those kids and wonder who could be so cold as to shoot them to death that way.

I haven't heard about that, Easy. What happened?  

[Blonde]

just thought of something.

maybe Joran TOOK the deal and the Aruban Authorities reneged? Joran is left in limbo?
He's guilty but can't ever be arrested. Deepak say on the Skeeters tape, he's not going back to jail, he knows too much. Could this be what he is referring to?

Maybe Joran CONFESSED and the Aruban Authorities RETRACTED IT

    ROB
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- One of three young suspects arrested Thursday in the investigation into the disappearance of an Alabama teenager has confessed to her murder, a senior police official said late Friday.

The suspect has agreed to lead police to the body of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, the police official said.

Police did not say which of the three confessed.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420748/posts

[crazybabyborg]

Hey Guys! Just skimming the last couple of pages, but there's a flavor of new information...................Something in Joran's book?

he admits telling Freddy the story before Natalee was missing

There is an interesting conversation with Van Der Sraten where Van Der Straten is pretty much cutting a deal for Joran saying he will see to it that Joran doesnt have to go to jail but he will have to tell the truth and do a little time in a mental institution in holland

      WTF

Blah.............thanks for responding. What story did Joran tell Freddy before Natalee was missing?

If Joran was innocent, why would he need to spend time in a Mental Insitution, and if this is published in Joran's own book, WHY is a Dutch investigation team willing to dig up a yard for a chance of discovering 2 year old forensic evidence and IGNORE blatent conflicts and increminating statements by the prime suspects? Bring them in and put the analytical questions to them, and they will have a very compelling criminal case!

[Easywriter]

Who called Anita with the news that Natalee had been found and when did that happen?  She immediately asks Paulus to call Van Der Stratten in order to get the inside scoop.  Later VDS interviews Joran and tells him he is a whack job and should be put in a mental hospital.  He also confronts Paulus and insults him with questions about PVDS’ involvement.  Then things really start to get crazy.  Did PVDS leave his meeting with VDS and make a few calls?  Did he remind someone about something in their past?

We need to get back to the basic who, what, when and where!

My guess...Julia/Glenda/Bondia

That would be my guess as well.  First Anita gets a call about a search, then she gets a call about Natalee being found.  Maybe it was Anita calling in favors!

I think we need to re-visit the timeline and determine when things began to shift and who was involved.

[Rob]

San all good points, I agree on some of them.

They only thing I would concluded possibly differently would be Joran gets the sweetheart deal and the Kalpoes get testified against by Joran and they go to jail for 15 years.

No they won't go to jail because that means Paulus goes to jail also.  At this point they are trying to keep Paulus out of it.  The Kalpoes know who, what, when and where.  A lot of people are going to jail and the Kalpoes say if you try and screw me I have nothing to lose and everyone else is going down with us.  JMO.

That's part of the reason I can't understand why they are still alive. And their lawsuit just draws more attention to the whole issue. Not a good move on their part.

[Observer]

Where the hell is the PV'S from Mr Heavy Battery Guido Wever? Where is his Alibi? He is right beside Joran and Deepak in all of this.IMO

[wreck]

just thought of something.

maybe Joran TOOK the deal and the Aruban Authorities reneged? Joran is left in limbo?
He's guilty but can't ever be arrested. Deepak say on the Skeeters tape, he's not going back to jail, he knows too much. Could this be what he is referring to?

Maybe Joran CONFESSED and the Aruban Authorities RETRACTED IT

    ROB
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- One of three young suspects arrested Thursday in the investigation into the disappearance of an Alabama teenager has confessed to her murder, a senior police official said late Friday.

The suspect has agreed to lead police to the body of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, the police official said.

Police did not say which of the three confessed.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420748/posts

AMEN!!!!

Well, that's been my theory for a long time now!! The case was SOLVED no later than June 10th when they "had a confession" and were "being led to the body."

The COVER-UP was MANDATED by ODUBER/AHATA because a "missing person" was much more palitable than the ugly TRUTH of a grisley murder committed by LOCALS!!!!!
_________________

[Easywriter]

The story about the family in CHANNAHON, IL makes me think about why some stories grip people more than others.  I don’t really think it has to do with the fact that this was a physically beautiful family, living the American dream by all appearances.  I think it has to do with the unexpected.  These were not people scratching out an existence with a homemade meth lab.

Oh, I don’t know what I am trying to say.  It is just so heart-breaking to see pictures of those kids and wonder who could be so cold as to shoot them to death that way.

I haven't heard about that, Easy. What happened?  

An SUV was found on a side-road this morning.  The mother and three children were found dead.  The father had flagged down a passing motorist about 5:30 this morning.  The mother had one shot to the head, the three beautiful kids had multiple gunshot wounds and the dad had one wound to the thight that was non life threatening.  He is not a suspect at this time, but....

[BTgirl]

The story about the family in CHANNAHON, IL makes me think about why some stories grip people more than others.  I don’t really think it has to do with the fact that this was a physically beautiful family, living the American dream by all appearances.  I think it has to do with the unexpected.  These were not people scratching out an existence with a homemade meth lab.

Oh, I don’t know what I am trying to say.  It is just so heart-breaking to see pictures of those kids and wonder who could be so cold as to shoot them to death that way.

I haven't heard about that, Easy. What happened?  

An SUV was found on a side-road this morning.  The mother and three children were found dead.  The father had flagged down a passing motorist about 5:30 this morning.  The mother had one shot to the head, the three beautiful kids had multiple gunshot wounds and the dad had one wound to the thight that was non life threatening.  He is not a suspect at this time, but....

That's terrible! And very strange.