Lively Case Discussion #639 6/13 - 6/15/2007

[Dihannah1]

Did everyone see the video of the punk killing the homeless guy with a baseball bat?  I tell ya, this world is going to hell in a hand-basket!  

Yes, and the 2 girls in FL fighting?  One was using brass knuckles before her boyfriend took a bat to the victim.  Thank God she only had a concussion and some staples in her head.  This world is Scary!

It was on Youtube and the news keeps replaying it. It makes me sick to my stomach.  Kids are getting becoming immune to brutality, they see it all the time on t.v., internet, etc..   It's only going to get worse.  I fear for our nation and mankind.

I saw that and it made me sick!  I have a theory about the change in youth, but I will spare everyone tonight. lol

I understand, we could probably start a whole new thread to go into that!  

[BTgirl]

In life we cross paths with people that just seem to radiate goodness, a kindness that set them apart.  Those people become a part of our memories, because of their selfless acts and seemingly unaware demeanor about their importance.  I think Ruth Graham was one of those people.

Then we have the likes of OJ, Scott and Joran at the other end of the spectrum!  

What a person sends out in life is what they get back. Ruth Graham will get back goodness, and the other people you mentioned certainly won't.

[Dihannah1]

In life we cross paths with people that just seem to radiate goodness, a kindness that set them apart.  Those people become a part of our memories, because of their selfless acts and seemingly unaware demeanor about their importance.  I think Ruth Graham was one of those people.

Then we have the likes of OJ, Scott and Joran at the other end of the spectrum!  

What a person sends out in life is what they get back. Ruth Graham will get back goodness, and the other people you mentioned certainly won't.

Oh they WILL answer to what they've done!   Just not on this earth!

And those special kind people will be greatly rewarded!

[Kat_Gram]

Just finished the first browse thru of the new Joran's book stuff.
So, VD Stratten figured he could get Joran off on the " crazy" clause ?
There must be way more in J's background that we know about if Jan was even thinking of going in that direction.
This is all so very sad... that a person was so troubled and they just let him do what he wanted to...and the parents seemed quite proud of him to boot .. everyone was " protecting " Joran ...  but they forgot that a
big angry person like that would be a danger to others. They all slept in different quarters.. but what about the rest of Aruba ?

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Evening..

Dianahha  Did you see the thread in the lounge that Elain started about ho far birds fly??  Take a peek if you haven't.  I sent you an email earlier.. Hope all goes well with this surgery as well.  

Hi, Ang.

 Evening to yah BT.. just catching up..
Sick to read more of Jorans bullshit.. How apparent is it all?    And to be put in a menatl hospital yet? WTF?  Guess that wont ever happen either.    Brt if he went to one,, his Psych dr would need a dr after hearing him spew constant lies.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Just finished the first browse thru of the new Joran's book stuff.
So, VD Stratten figured he could get Joran off on the " crazy" clause ?
There must be way more in J's background that we know about if Jan was even thinking of going in that direction.
This is all so very sad... that a person was so troubled and they just let him do what he wanted to...and the parents seemed quite proud of him to boot .. everyone was " protecting " Joran ...  but they forgot that a
big angry person like that would be a danger to others. They all slept in different quarters.. but what about the rest of Aruba ?

 Exactly kat!

[BTgirl]

Just finished the first browse thru of the new Joran's book stuff.
So, VD Stratten figured he could get Joran off on the " crazy" clause ?
There must be way more in J's background that we know about if Jan was even thinking of going in that direction.
This is all so very sad... that a person was so troubled and they just let him do what he wanted to...and the parents seemed quite proud of him to boot .. everyone was " protecting " Joran ...  but they forgot that a
big angry person like that would be a danger to others. They all slept in different quarters.. but what about the rest of Aruba ?

 Exactly kat!

I hope Joran's parents don't end up like the ones of a local man. This story was from 2005:

"Abstract: A mental evaluation will be performed on a Hixson man accused of killing his parents and cutting up their bodies with a chain saw, officials said Friday."

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Just finished the first browse thru of the new Joran's book stuff.
So, VD Stratten figured he could get Joran off on the " crazy" clause ?
There must be way more in J's background that we know about if Jan was even thinking of going in that direction.
This is all so very sad... that a person was so troubled and they just let him do what he wanted to...and the parents seemed quite proud of him to boot .. everyone was " protecting " Joran ...  but they forgot that a
big angry person like that would be a danger to others. They all slept in different quarters.. but what about the rest of Aruba ?

 Exactly kat!

I hope Joran's parents don't end up like the ones of a local man. This story was from 2005:

"Abstract: A mental evaluation will be performed on a Hixson man accused of killing his parents and cutting up their bodies with a chain saw, officials said Friday."

 

[IndyDan]

I think it is bigger even than the tourism issue.

Joran is representative of the European elites who have ruled Aruba for a long time. We have been connecting dots for 2 years now and we have clearly seen a nexus between the ruling elites and the drug-pornography-organized crime interests that are running rampant all over the world. The Netherlands is at the forefront of all this.  Sure, American tourist $$$ helps fuel that empire, but it is not the MONEY they are afraid of losing.

It is the EXPOSURE of the fact that Aruba is essentially the only state in the entire world whose government is controlled by the worldwide corruption empire.  The ones in charge cannot stand the thought that they will be brought to light.

The sad fact is, Aruba will get its $$$ from somewhere. They are shaking down the Chinese right now. They have O-I-L.

This coverup is not just about Joran or tourism... it is about the risk of exposure of the extent of corruption on Aruba. They do not even want the rest of the world to SUSPECT what they are doing down there.

     

[BTgirl]

 

Angie - He was a 22 year old man who got into an argument with his parents over money and killed them both.  

[Lala'sMom]

Hi guys.  Do we have any news yet?  I finally found my new pencils...I think SunnyinTx hid them in Snoopy's dog house.  

[Tamikosmom]

Just finished the first browse thru of the new Joran's book stuff.

So, VD Stratten figured he could get Joran off on the " crazy" clause ?
There must be way more in J's background that we know about if Jan was even thinking of going in that direction.
This is all so very sad... that a person was so troubled and they just let him do what he wanted to...and the parents seemed quite proud of him to boot .. everyone was " protecting " Joran ...  but they forgot that a
big angry person like that would be a danger to others. They all slept in different quarters.. but what about the rest of Aruba ?

Kat ... do you have a link where I can access all this "new Joran's book stuff?

I have been in and out today ... I do believe that I missed something.

Thank you.

Janet

[Dihannah1]

While we are talking about current events.  Can you believe that damn judge suing for $54 mil for a freakin' pair of pants?  A judge of all people, tying up the court system and wasting tax $$$..   Unbelievable!  I can't believe it wasn't thrown out at the get go!

[Dihannah1]

Hi guys.  Do we have any news yet?  I finally found my new pencils...I think SunnyinTx hid them in Snoopy's dog house.  

Uh oh....  everybody straighten up!   Lala's has new sharpened pencils.  Be on your best behavior...

[BTgirl]

Hi guys.  Do we have any news yet?  I finally found my new pencils...I think SunnyinTx hid them in Snoopy's dog house.  

Lala's! I'm psychic! I was just wondering where you were!  

   

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Hi guys.  Do we have any news yet?  I finally found my new pencils...I think SunnyinTx hid them in Snoopy's dog house.  

 No news Lalas.. but have you seen the new translations of more of Jorans book?      It gets more and more disgusting..

[Angiex911dsptchr]

 

Angie - He was a 22 year old man who got into an argument with his parents over money and killed them both.  

    sicko.. he needs chainsawed apart.. needs done to him what he did to his parents.

[Dihannah1]

 

Angie - He was a 22 year old man who got into an argument with his parents over money and killed them both.  

    sicko.. he needs chainsawed apart.. needs done to him what he did to his parents.

  My daughter and I argue over money sometimes!  Like,  she needs to get a job and quit mooching off of us!

[klaasend]

Just finished the first browse thru of the new Joran's book stuff.

So, VD Stratten figured he could get Joran off on the " crazy" clause ?
There must be way more in J's background that we know about if Jan was even thinking of going in that direction.
This is all so very sad... that a person was so troubled and they just let him do what he wanted to...and the parents seemed quite proud of him to boot .. everyone was " protecting " Joran ...  but they forgot that a
big angry person like that would be a danger to others. They all slept in different quarters.. but what about the rest of Aruba ?

Kat ... do you have a link where I can access all this "new Joran's book stuff?

I have been in and out today ... I do believe that I missed something.

Thank you.

Janet

Right here Janet - a translation by someone at BFN (not Ramm)

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=180300#180300

[Kat_Gram]

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1097
The last post...new from a friend of Ramm's
Important Case Documents
Joran's Book Translations, about 1/2 way down