Lisa Irwin #3 10/17/11 - 10/21/11

[KittyMom]

I'm waiting for the day that the likes of Taco Joe, Bozo, or Mumbles is standing beside their client waiting for an arrest and LE comes in and slaps the cuffs on the atty.

    

[Tamikosmom]

Out of the blue ... a witness (neighbor) has emerged that can provide an alibi for Debbie from 6:30 PM - 10:30 PM ... 10:30 when he/she observed lights in the Irwin residence were turned off.  The neighbor can also attest to the truth of Debbie's admission of being drunk at 10:30 PM.

Considering Joe Tacopina has been in touch with Debbie and Jeremy for a week ... could yesterday's TODAY show interview have been all about establishng a defence?

Think about it.  A short time following the TODAY show broadcast  ... Tacopina emerges in a press conference and announces there will be no more interviews.

Think about it.

1.  Starbucks security cameras provide an alibi for Jeremy who worked night shift for the first time and arrived home prior to the end of his shift.

2.  A neighbour provides an alibi for Debbie ... Debbie who was not in any condition at 10:30 PM to have the mindset to disappear her daughter and the cellphones.

Inquiring minds want to know ... when was the last time that ANYBODY saw baby Lisa?  Inquiring minds want to know ... did the neighbor see 10 month old baby Lisa who was put to bed at 6:40 PM?

In other words ... did something bad happen to baby Lisa prior to prior to Debbie's drinking buddy arriving?  Did something bad happen to baby Lisa prior to her father's departure to work?

Janet

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Holloway Suspect's Ex-Attorney Agress to Represent Missing Missouri Baby's Parents
By Marla Cichowski
Published October 17, 2011

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Tacopina said he's been in contact with Lisa's parents over the phone since last week.

"They have nothing to hide. They are looking for answers. I believe these people, I really do," he said.

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/17/holloway-suspect-former-attorney-takes-case-missing-missouri-babys-parents/#ixzz1b67Ha4t8

[Tamikosmom]

Their daughter is missing.  Why would Jeremy and Debbie not allow Lisa's older siblings to be questioned by investigators.

Janet

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Mother: I was drunk when Missouri infant disappeared
By the CNN Wire Staff
October 17, 2011 -- Updated 1735 GMT (0135 HKT)

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Irwin and Bradley told NBC they have refused to let authorities re-interview Lisa's older brothers.

"They said they heard noises (the night Lisa disappeared)," Bradley said. "I don't know if that was before we went to sleep or after." She said she has not talked to her sons about it because she is reluctant to put them through "anything else."

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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/17/justice/missouri-missing-girl/

[Yoder1]

Welcome Tulip.
My husband and I have masters degrees in Administration of Justice and my husband taught CJ to police, highway patrolmen, probation/parole officers, correctional officers, M Squad officers, CSI, etc., in Kansas City. He was across the street from the River front when it was blown up.

The "nervousness" you mention during DB's confrontation at the third woods search is really a classic textbook scenario. My mind had been going in a different direction, probably a red herring, and I completely missed what you pointed out. Thanks.

My head is still wrapped around the Anthony case...having difficulty with that one. When profiling, one looks for similarities among cases and there are many between Anthony and Irwin cases.

Again, welcome and thanks for your help.

[Yoder1]

If DB were black-out drunk, why did the neighbor leave 3 children alone in her care?  Why not contact a family member and tell them they need to come see about the kids?  Even if she were still up and just stumbling around, wouldn't this be a reason to call family?

neighbor male or female? just curious ...

Female, named Samantha.

[Fanta]

Is there any information at all out there concerning the parents use of the computer?

The first thing I thought of when the police asked for the new evidence not to be photographer was they were removing computer parts/laptop from the home.

What might that tell us? 

Pedophilia porn.

What if - and this would give another iron clad reason those phones were 'stolen' (or gotten rid of) - what is Jeremy or Deborah was filming Lisa.  Sending photos and vids via cell phone and computer. 

That leaves the door open for someone to steal the baby and the phones.  Plus a whole lot of other possibilities I can't even bring myself to think of.

God I hope and pray I'm wrong.

~ fanta

[trimmonthelake]

KCPD says officers will be out searching again today.
by Karen Yancey 10:35 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1b9FQDyqK

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/17/3213686/lawyer-for-baby-lisas-family-makes.html
Posted on Mon, Oct. 17, 2011 11:08 PM
COMMENTARY
Lawyer for Baby Lisa’s family makes a weak case for himself
By MARY SANCHEZ
The Kansas City Star
“Wild” Bill Stanton’s better-dressed sidekick just rolled into town.

Will someone please offer this family more appropriate guidance?

Their 11-month-old daughter, Lisa Irwin, has been missing for two weeks. And they seem to be adding characters as the mystery — and most certainly their trauma — grows.

Last week, New York private eye Stanton, known mostly for chasing the spotlight, showed up to aid parents Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin.

Now, their legal counsel is here.

New York lawyer Joe Tacopina greeted a People magazine reporter enthusiastically after a news conference Monday. Apparently, they had worked together after Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005 in Aruba.

Lisa’s parents stood sullen and silent behind Tacopina and Stanton as they held court for a slew of media. It was Tacopino’s introductory performance in Kansas City.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/17/3213686/lawyer-for-baby-lisas-family-makes.html#ixzz1b9GStehC

[Yoder1]

 ::snipping2::


[/quote]Interestingly and coincidentally, Kansas City actually has quite a mob past.  Here is a pretty good synopsis of it http://americanmafia.com/Cities/Kansas_City.html.  I can't see that it would have anything to do with this case, although they do live in some of the old traditional mob stomping grounds.
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 ::snipping2::

This is a good, condensed version of Kansas City's involvement in the underworld. Believe it or not, all those millions, skimmed from the Las Vegas casinos, changed hands at a fruit stand in Kansas City.

Perhaps things have not changed that much, the Irwin's live in an old crime family neighborhood. The only difference now is that they are importing the cronies from New York instead of paying off LE, judges and anyone needed to protect the evil doers. Oh, IMO, of course.

[beth1970]

Their daughter is missing.  Why would Jeremy and Debbie not allow Lisa's older siblings to be questioned by investigators.

Janet

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Mother: I was drunk when Missouri infant disappeared
By the CNN Wire Staff
October 17, 2011 -- Updated 1735 GMT (0135 HKT)

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Irwin and Bradley told NBC they have refused to let authorities re-interview Lisa's older brothers.

"They said they heard noises (the night Lisa disappeared)," Bradley said. "I don't know if that was before we went to sleep or after." She said she has not talked to her sons about it because she is reluctant to put them through "anything else."

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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/17/justice/missouri-missing-girl/

let's see her brothers may have information that could help police but her parents won't allow LE to talk to them. Yeah these people are innocent 

[trimmonthelake]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/17/ddhln.01.html
DR. DREW
Latest Update on Search for Baby Lisa
Aired October 17, 2011 - 21:00   ET

[Tamikosmom]

Lawyer of missing baby Lisa Irwin's parents says on 'Today's Show' that they have 'nothing to hide'
Posted: 10:04 AM
Last Updated: 38 minutes ago

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On Monday, Tacopina said Bradley may not be casting herself in the best light by telling national media that she drank heavily the night her daughter disappeared and other unflattering details, but her honesty shows that she and her family "have nothing to hide.”

Bradley told television audiences Monday that she may have blacked out in the hours before she and Jeremy Irwin reported that Lisa was missing early Oct. 4. Bradley also now says she last saw her daughter hours earlier than she originally told police.

Bradley had said in previous days that she checked on Lisa at 10:30 p.m. on Oct. 3, but on Monday told NBC's "Today" show that she actually last saw Lisa when she put her to bed at 6:40 p.m.

Tacopina said Tuesday her story hasn’t changed, but instead upon further questioning, her recollection of the night has.

"I don't recall in recent history anyone under this umbrella of suspicion be so open and forthright, warts and all, regarding the events. Because they have nothing to hide," Tacopina said during a news conference Monday to announce he had been hired to represent the couple.

The parents reported their daughter missing after Irwin returned home from working a night shift and found the front door unlocked, the house lights on, a window tampered with and the baby gone. Bradley and their two sons were asleep elsewhere in the house.

Bradley told Fox News that she got drunk after she put her daughter to bed that night and may have blacked out. She said she "probably" drank more than five glasses of wine, and said she frequently drank at home after her children were safely in bed. She also said she had taken a dose of anti-anxiety medication that day.

In Monday’s “Today” show interview, Bradley told NBC that police accused her of killing Lisa, but she insisted again that she had not harmed her daughter.

"No, no. ... I don't think alcohol changes a person enough to do something like that," she said.

On Monday, Tacopina, who also defended Joran Van der Sloot, the Dutch man suspected in the 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba, said Bradley detailing her drinking the night Lisa went missing "goes to her credibility."

"That's something she was willing to tell the truth about even if it didn't make her look good because she's got nothing to hide," said Tacopina, who refused to say who was paying him and would only say that he had been hired to counsel the parents through the investigation.

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Read More:
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/national/lawyer-of-missing-baby-lisa-irwin's-parents-says-on-'today's-show'-that-they-have-'nothing-to-hide'-

[trimmonthelake]

KMBC's Martin Augustine reports that police are searching a wooded area just east of 35th Street and North Brighton.
by Karen Yancey 11:22 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1b9RC9I00

[seahorse]

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jim Spellman, police according to some published reports have removed bags of evidence from the home of the neighbor who was allegedly drinking with the mother at the time that the child disappeared or around the time that night. What do you know?

SPELLMAN: Yes, this afternoon they did another search of the home here and the area. They had dogs out. And the dogs were in that area, police tell us that was in evidence, that what they were bringing out was materials related to the dog search. We understand that sometimes they take materials that have scents out of -- out of homes or something that they fear may be a crime scene so that the dogs can use that on later searches.

We`re not sure that that`s exactly what it was but police tells us it was something related to the dog search, not evidence, Jane.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/17/ng.01.html


 
ME:  I have no clue on why LE would not allow photographs for "scent" items, except, a few monkeys did have good ideas,
to keep the items secretive, for a possible trial?  I

[StarMonkey]

I wonder when DB when bat sh** crazy as LE was searching an area last week, "flailing her arms and speeding off", was because her daughter was in that area and she knew she was busted......

 

I've been reading a long time, Monkeys, but this is my first actual post.  My husband was a police investigator for many years and holds a phD in Criminal Justice and I am dispatcher.  I saw this comment and it piqued my interest.  I remember hubby took a class from Dr. Henry Lee on reading body language years ago.  I also remember him telling me about doing CSI, drug raids and car searches where they would be watching the suspect and as they got "warmer" to wherever the "goodies" were hidden, you could see the person get nervous.  He actually had one one time that started freaking and cussing as they got close to what they were looking for and then would relax if they'd move away.  I've seen this on tapes brought in to dispatch by other officers and in training myself.  He and I both would love to see video of DB's reaction if it's out there.  I haven't been able to find it.  My DH has said this was fishy from the moment he laid eyes on DB and JI.

Tulips, I found this from the first thread that Trimm and Itaryl had brought over. I hope it helps. This was right before (if I remember right) that LE came out and said the parents were not cooperating anymore and LE were dismantling the command center. There was an interview (which I will keep looking for) where Deborah answers questions about why she was upset that LE was searching a particular area. It may have been on the first Judge Jenine (sp?) interview. I will keep looking.
 Here is one of the links regarding the above story (video at link also):

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/06/parents-of-missing-missouri-baby-lisa-irwin-rush-to-police-command-center-is-there-a-new-lead-in-the-case/

Hi Tulips! I wish I was a Fly on the wall and heard what LE and Parents were discussing and why they were angry sped off!
I snapped a photo of the video that Cartfly Posted with the mom and a stuffed animal in her hand. Why do you think she had that in her hand?

[Pattianne]

Deborah has stated on t.v. that with police focusing on her they are taking the focus off finding Lisa.  I don't see how she can possibly claim that the police aren't searching non stop.  Also, I don't see Deborah or Jeremy out searching.  I see them doing t.v. interviews defending themselves, staying at a hotel to get some rest and retaining a lawyer.

There's one issue I'm confused about so maybe some of you monkeys know.  In this interview, Deborah claims that her boys were watching a movie with "Maria"'s daughter.  But it's also been said that she was drinking with "Samantha".  I'm searching trying to find out exacting who she was drinking with and if it was Samantha, was Maria also there?

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/judge-jeanine-interview-with-parents-of-missing-baby-lisa-irwin-transcribed

Deborah said in her interview with Megyn Kelly that she put Lisa to bed at 6:40 because she was "fussy".  Well sure, she was fussy because she was sick.  It makes me sick to think of a sick 10 month old baby just being put in her crib, probably crying, because she was fussy.  That's not a solution.

[KittyMom]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-steve-marlene-aisenberg-offer-support-lisa/story?id=14737456

Missing Babies: Steve and Marlene Aisenberg Offer Support to Lisa Irwin's Parents

[Tamikosmom]

If DB were black-out drunk, why did the neighbor leave 3 children alone in her care?  Why not contact a family member and tell them they need to come see about the kids?  Even if she were still up and just stumbling around, wouldn't this be a reason to call family?

neighbor male or female? just curious ...

Deborah Bradley Describes the Night Baby Lisa Went Missing
By Jeff Truesdell

Monday October 17, 2011 06:30 AM EDT

On the night her 10-month-old daughter disappeared, Lisa Irwin's mother drank enough wine at home while relaxing with a neighbor that she has no recollection of whether or not she checked on her daughter or turned off the house lights before she went to bed.

Did the alcohol cause her to black out? "It's a possibility," Deborah Bradley tells PEOPLE.

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With Irwin, an electrician, working late on the after-hours remodel of a Starbucks, Bradley settled down at home for dinner and drinking with a neighbor. She put Lisa down in her room around 6:40 p.m., she says. Only once more soon afterward did she check on Lisa, finding her standing in her crib before tucking her back in.

Then, as the other children of the two next-door-neighbor moms watched a movie inside, Bradley tapped the box of wine that she'd bought earlier that evening, and she and her friend spent much of the evening chatting outside on the front stoop.

"I had several glasses of wine," Bradley told PEOPLE. More than five? "Probably." Asked if she was concerned she might be drunk with her infant daughter inside, Bradley replied, "She was sleeping. I don't have a problem with me having adult time."

Her friend left for home about 10:30 p.m., and later told Bradley that she saw the lights in the house go dark. But Bradley herself can't say if she turned off those lights, or whether they may have been flipped on by an intruder whom she believes entered her home through the open front window and took her child.

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http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20537543,00.html

[StarMonkey]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44942594#44942594
Baby Lisa’s mom says she may have blacked out

MAY have either you do or you dont. I have blacked out before LONG ago I didnt remember a thing but I KNEW I blacked out.

I BET she did not black out and was not SO drunk she didnt know what was going on. With her attitude like Cartfly Said "the holier than thow" I wouldnt put it past her that she did something horrible pretending to herself and playing games with LE just to stay in her little crazy zone!

[MOMDET]

I am willing to concede that if I were in the parent's position and even if I had told the truth about everything, I would also hire an attorney.  I mean if she did black out and was drunk, she needs some kind of representation, as she has now confessed to child endangerment.  Also, if my baby were still missing and I was innocent and yet had made a mess of the investigation by lying to cover my own a** then yes, I would hire a lawyer too, probably even a PI, as these parents have.

However, the skill set would be much different.  Wouldn't you hire an attorney that had represented parents of missing children who were less then perfect, yet still innocent?  Why wouldn't you hire an attorney with a background in working with LE to find missing children, not freeing offenders.  I don't believe hiring an attorney at this point is the suspicious part, it is who they hired that mystifies me.  I would be furious, if my child were missing and someone who believed in my innocence spent that much time defending me instead of trying to vindicate me.  I mean where was the plea for help in finding Lisa, where was the plan?  I only heard a defense.  If anyone believes that TACO didn't have everything to do with the "last interview" the parents gave, they are kidding themselves.  I am appalled that the "press time" was an opening statement for a defense instead of a plea for help or a well devised investigative plan.  They should have recognized the parent's mistakes and moved on to what needs done next, instead it was defensive move.   Poor Baby Lisa, she will be lost in all of this just as Caylee was.   I am just grateful Baez was busy having dinner with Barbara Walters, or he surely would have jumped at the chance to be in the spotlight, afterall freeing killers is what he does best!