Lisa Irwin #3 10/17/11 - 10/21/11

[Yoder1]

The girl next door that was drinking wine with mom had her 5 yr old there and was playing with the boys. Did they ever question this little girl. Did they ever ask her if she saw Lisa?
Maybe they have ask her many things and maybe the little girl never saw Lisa that day at all.
I think mommy dearest got all the refills for mom and friend and friend never saw Lisa at all.
I think Dad will cave before Mom, she is a accomplished liar and took lessons from KC.

Sippy neighbor's daughter born 4-24-07. She would have been 4 years 3 mo old. Depending on her maturity, she might remember something relevant.

[MuffyBee]

[pharlap]

The girl next door that was drinking wine with mom had her 5 yr old there and was playing with the boys. Did they ever question this little girl. Did they ever ask her if she saw Lisa?
Maybe they have ask her many things and maybe the little girl never saw Lisa that day at all.
I think mommy dearest got all the refills for mom and friend and friend never saw Lisa at all.
I think Dad will cave before Mom, she is a accomplished liar and took lessons from KC.

Sippy neighbor's daughter born 4-24-07. She would have been 4 years 3 mo old. Depending on her maturity, she might remember something relevant.

Your right, at that age they say everything they see/hear....
 
Edit-fixed quote.  MB

[StarMonkey]

is it possible that the man who lived across the street had been watching the two women drinking on the porch and waited for his opp and took Lisa? Has this "Jersey" man been found yet?

He's been in jail and not a suspect

[Itaryl Moosee]

Somehow I doubt the new Lisa "sighting" at Randolph Road.

Mr. Thompson said he was traveling South on 435, turned on 48th, and saw the man with the baby walking up (meaning North?) on Randolph.

First, the place he describes is about four miles from the Irwin residence.

Who kidnaps a kid and goes parading outside with the baby all over town? Remember this baby weighed 30 pounds.

The first account of a Lisa "sighting" was described by the wife of the gentleman. He claimed to have seen a man carrying a child wearing only a diaper.

This was disregarded by police within a couple of days.

As someone said above, the times didn't match much either. One was at 12:00midnight, the other around 2:00am, the other now at 4:00am.

If any of these are for real, I hope they are really checked by LE and hopefully they help find Lisa. I put much doubt if there isn't a picture, recording, or more than one sighter at a time.



 

[goodnmad]

is it possible that the man who lived across the street had been watching the two women drinking on the porch and waited for his opp and took Lisa? Has this "Jersey" man been found yet?

He's been in jail and not a suspect

did not know that. Thanks StarMonkey

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/21/witnesses-report-seeing-man-carry-baby-resembling-missing-10-month-old-lisa/
Witnesses Report Seeing Man Carry Baby Resembling Missing 10-Month-Old Lisa Irwin
Published October 21, 2011
| NewsCore

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/21/witnesses-report-seeing-man-carry-baby-resembling-missing-10-month-old-lisa/#ixzz1bQthXjq8

[Yoder1]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/20/deborah-bradley-baby-lisa-irwin-missing_n_1022905.html?ncid=webmail5

Shirley Pfaff describes her relationship with Deborah Bradley while being her neighbor at Fort Bragg.

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"She was my friend at one time and I loved to be around her, but when I [saw] the other side of her and got to know the true Debbie, I couldn't even believe I trusted her with anything," Pfaff told The Huffington Post.
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"When the story broke, it was a normal morning in my house," Pfaff added. "I got up, put on a pot of coffee and turned on 'Good Morning America' like usual and I ... heard 'Deborah Bradley.' I immediately thought, 'This can't be the Debbie I know.' It just seemed unreal until I walked back into the living room after hearing her voice. I just about collapsed. It just made me sick because I just wouldn't put this girl Debbie past anything crazy."
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BBM  She is beginning to describe what was posted on JQ.

[4 Donks]

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/

Man Who Saw Man and Baby Speaks

Second story on the page.

[Yoder1]

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/

Man Who Saw Man and Baby Speaks

Second story on the page.

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It's 4 o'clock in the morning, 45 degrees and the baby doesn't have a blanket, a coat, nothing," Mike Thompson told ABC. "And this guy is walking down the street. I thought it was kind of weird."
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I would have thought it weird, too!

[yuknomenot]

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/

Man Who Saw Man and Baby Speaks

Second story on the page.

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It's 4 o'clock in the morning, 45 degrees and the baby doesn't have a blanket, a coat, nothing," Mike Thompson told ABC. "And this guy is walking down the street. I thought it was kind of weird."
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I would have thought it weird, too!

Then why not call the police at the time?  IMO, his story is way too convenient.

[cartfly]

In the abc video trimm posted it said 3 sightings.
The articals say 12 am 2 am and 4am. I don't see location for 2am.
Seems only a homeless guy w no place to go would be walking around?
Witness's say the baby had no clothes on. Lisa was wearing clothes were thy found or in the house?
Were thy the burnt clothes?

GMA video says three witnesses and two locations.

No one said anything about the race of the man carrying the baby. Another smart Monkey brought over an article (the only article) where the description was an African American was carrying the ......Wouldn't the description of an African American man carrying a Caucasian baby with only a diaper at 12, 2 and 4 AM been a huge red flag? (I do not mean this as a racist comment...so no banana throwing please)
I would think if they saw the man really well the witness' could say whether or not it was Jeremy.
I really want to believe these people because it gives me hope that baby Lisa is alive but my guy says otherwise.

[trimmonthelake]

In the abc video trimm posted it said 3 sightings.
The articals say 12 am 2 am and 4am. I don't see location for 2am.
Seems only a homeless guy w no place to go would be walking around?
Witness's say the baby had no clothes on. Lisa was wearing clothes were thy found or in the house?
Were thy the burnt clothes?

GMA video says three witnesses and two locations.

No one said anything about the race of the man carrying the baby. Another smart Monkey brought over an article (the only article) where the description was an African American was carrying the ......Wouldn't the description of an African American man carrying a Caucasian baby with only a diaper at 12, 2 and 4 AM been a huge red flag? (I do not mean this as a racist comment...so no banana throwing please)
I would think if they saw the man really well the witness' could say whether or not it was Jeremy.
I really want to believe these people because it gives me hope that baby Lisa is alive but my guy says otherwise.

I feel the same as you Cartfly. 

[Kimmy53]

Somehow I doubt the new Lisa "sighting" at Randolph Road.

Mr. Thompson said he was traveling South on 435, turned on 48th, and saw the man with the baby walking up (meaning North?) on Randolph.

First, the place he describes is about four miles from the Irwin residence.

Who kidnaps a kid and goes parading outside with the baby all over town? Remember this baby weighed 30 pounds.

The first account of a Lisa "sighting" was described by the wife of the gentleman. He claimed to have seen a man carrying a child wearing only a diaper.

This was disregarded by police within a couple of days.

As someone said above, the times didn't match much either. One was at 12:00midnight, the other around 2:00am, the other now at 4:00am.

If any of these are for real, I hope they are really checked by LE and hopefully they help find Lisa. I put much doubt if there isn't a picture, recording, or more than one sighter at a time.



 

BBM.   This is the first thing I thought when  I saw the report on GMA.  (I didn't hear the 2:00 a.m. part)  From  12:00 to 4:00?

They say eye witness reports are typically the worst as far as evidence.  The man who saw the man carrying a baby at 4:00 said he waited a week to call the tip in.  Could he have the date mixed up?  Could he have thought he saw a baby when in truth it wasn't?  In the dark, middle of the night, shadows and lights do make things look different.   

I just can't help but think DB had something to do with this.  The story, her attitude, her actions since Lisa has been missing.....  MOO

[seahorse]

The girl next door that was drinking wine with mom had her 5 yr old there and was playing with the boys. Did they ever question this little girl. Did they ever ask her if she saw Lisa?
Maybe they have ask her many things and maybe the little girl never saw Lisa that day at all.
I think mommy dearest got all the refills for mom and friend and friend never saw Lisa at all.
I think Dad will cave before Mom, she is a accomplished liar and took lessons from KC.

Sippy neighbor's daughter born 4-24-07. She would have been 4 years 3 mo old. Depending on her maturity, she might remember something relevant.

Yoder 

How do you know the exact age of Sippy's daughter, if you can tell me, please?  I have not found any confirmation.
Was sippy married before (not revelant) just curious. TIA.

Still thinking what "sense" items, were ceased from the neighbors, this last week?  How big where the two bags?
The media was asked not to take photos of the items, not a peep, on what that items could be...

[trimmonthelake]

http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/if-lisa-irwins-parents-are-suspects-they-still-must-cooperate-police/
If Lisa Irwin's parents are suspects, they still must cooperate with police
53 minutes ago
Read more: http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/if-lisa-irwins-parents-are-suspects-they-still-must-cooperate-police/#ixzz1bR69cfkx

[labubske]

is it possible that the man who lived across the street had been watching the two women drinking on the porch and waited for his opp and took Lisa? Has this "Jersey" man been found yet?

He's been in jail and not a suspect

did not know that. Thanks StarMonkey

I believe that he was arrested on October 13, 2011 on unrelated charges.  I have to go and find that link.

[StarMonkey]

In the abc video trimm posted it said 3 sightings.
The articals say 12 am 2 am and 4am. I don't see location for 2am.
Seems only a homeless guy w no place to go would be walking around?
Witness's say the baby had no clothes on. Lisa was wearing clothes were thy found or in the house?
Were thy the burnt clothes?

GMA video says three witnesses and two locations.

No one said anything about the race of the man carrying the baby. Another smart Monkey brought over an article (the only article) where the description was an African American was carrying the ......Wouldn't the description of an African American man carrying a Caucasian baby with only a diaper at 12, 2 and 4 AM been a huge red flag? (I do not mean this as a racist comment...so no banana throwing please)
I would think if they saw the man really well the witness' could say whether or not it was Jeremy.
I really want to believe these people because it gives me hope that baby Lisa is alive but my guy says otherwise.

I feel the same as you Cartfly. 

Thanks cartfly I forgot that one artical described the man as African American ...
Doesn't make sense .. ppl make up stuff all the time

[Itaryl Moosee]

Check the distance of the Randolph and 48th intersection from the Irwins' address. Just too far for someone to steal a 30 pound baby and carry it for miles.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=209942082992863047244.0004ae79b21a5bcdbda87&msa=0&ll=39.180535,-94.491906&spn=0.006387,0.016179

Map borrowed from http://www.websleuths.com

[trimmonthelake]

There is a quiet scene Friday outside the home where Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley have been staying on North Walrond Avenue.
by Karen Yancey/Staff 12:10 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1bRBvH46u