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« Reply #360 on: January 10, 2012, 02:33:05 AM »

IBE - take your time cleaning and gardening.  Just to a little at a time then take a break. 

OK thanks Klaas and everyone!

 

Love ya IBE... stay strong... but listen to klaas.... don't over-do it. Build that energy back up in manageable steps. So glad to hear you feel so much better!!! You're a true survivor,lady

We're lucky to still have you here on SM! an angelic monkey
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« Reply #361 on: January 10, 2012, 05:51:21 AM »

Sebastian's facebook ( he really scares me).

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=759158169






Me too, he's not normal.  Not even close imo.    

I agree.  Something is very wrong with him.
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« Reply #362 on: January 10, 2012, 09:20:34 AM »

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/10/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

Van der Sloot back in Peruvian court to face murder charge

By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 6:46 AM EST, Tue January 10, 2012

CNN) -- Joran van der Sloot returns to a Peruvian courtroom on Wednesday, five days after requesting more time to "reflect" on what plea he will make in his murder trial.

The 24-year-old Dutch national indicated on Friday that he was willing to make a "confession" in the 2010 killing of Stephany Flores, but that he did "not agree with the aggravating factors" as defined in the murder charge levied against him.

Given this statement, the panel of three judges decided to give van der Sloot until Wednesday to make a final decision. There is no jury.

This was the latest twist in a case that has made international headlines, in part because of the circumstances of the killing but also because van der Sloot was arrested twice, but never charged, in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway.
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On Wednesday, van der Sloot is expected to finally give his plea in the Lima courtroom. He is charged with "qualified murder" and simple robbery in the killing of 21-year-old Flores.

If it is not guilty, then the trial will resume before the all-female judicial panel. If he pleads guilty, the sentencing phase would begin.

On Friday, prosecutors went over all the evidence and witnesses they had and gave a summation of the case against van der Sloot.
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If found guilty on all counts, van der Sloot could face a sentence of up to 30 years in prison.

Besides the Flores murder trial, van der Sloot also faces possible extradition to the United States. In June 2010, a federal grand jury in Alabama indicted him on charges of wire fraud and extortion after allegations surfaced that he tried to extort $250,000 from Holloway's mother, Beth.
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« Reply #363 on: January 10, 2012, 12:23:37 PM »

http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2012/januari/10/-moeder-joran-boycot-zaak-om-media

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"Mother Joran thing to boycott media '
 
Anita van der Sloot, mother of Joran van der Sloot, was not present at the trial of her son in Peru because the media attention her too much. Joran's lawyer, Jose Navarro Jiménez, this has nothing to do with the relationship between mother and son, which the lawyer is excellent.

"A few weeks ago, Joran received a card from her," says Jimenez. Shortly after Van der Sloot was arrested in June 2010 for the death of Peruvian Stephany Flores, left his mother out to break contact with him if it turned out that he is guilty. Jimenez says now that both Joran and the good counsel and structural contact with Anita van der Sloot maintained.

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« Reply #364 on: January 10, 2012, 12:47:03 PM »


Exclusive: Joran van der Sloot's Mom: 'He Is Not a Murderer'
June 18, 2010


Joran van der Sloot's mother still believes her son is innocent, insisting in an email obtained exclusively by ABC News that "he is not a murderer."

Anita van der Sloot hasn't spoken publicly since her son's arrest in Peru, until now.

"I am not giving interviews to any American media station because I don't trust them. Stay safe and pray for Joran. He is not the monster they like the world to see. he is traumatized, depressed an has an addiction. He is not a murderer. It stinks and feels like a big trap set up for him."

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http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/article/exclusive-joran-van-der-sloots-mother-speaks-time/story?id=10935217


Joran van der Sloot - In His Own Words

Confession: Joran van der Sloot describes killing Stephany Flores
Published: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 2:51 PM
Updated: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 4:11 PM


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Asked for a detailed description of the killing:

"She was on the bed when I hit her hard with my right elbow and I think her head went back and hit the wall, then she begins to bleed, immediately I get on top of her and with both hands I begin to strangle her, keeping her that way for a minute. After that, I throw her to the floor but she keeps breathing. At that moment I take off my shirt and put it on her face, pressing on it. I don't remember for how long but she stops breathing, in this way I think I caused her death."

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http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/confession_joran_van_der_sloot.html


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« Reply #365 on: January 10, 2012, 12:58:56 PM »

Joran's down to 24 hours. Tick Tock, Tick Tock, Tick Tock.

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JORAN:   
                       


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« Reply #366 on: January 10, 2012, 01:04:55 PM »

Sebastian's facebook ( he really scares me).

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=759158169






Me too, he's not normal.  Not even close imo.    

I agree.  Something is very wrong with him.


Okay. New Natalee Thread rule:

This photo cannot be the first post on a page. I pulled it up and jumped so high, I fell outta my chair.       

He's skeeeeery!
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« Reply #367 on: January 10, 2012, 01:06:52 PM »

Anybody think Sebastian looks like John Candy's evil twin?   
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« Reply #368 on: January 10, 2012, 01:15:07 PM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/09/joran-van-der-sloot_n_1194547.html

Joran Van Der Sloot's Peru Murder Trial Delay 'Not Surprising,' Expert Says
First Posted: 1/10/12 08:48 AM ET Updated: 1/10/12 09:13 AM ET

Joran van der Sloot's recent request to postpone his murder trial in Peru isn't surprising and may not affect his reported plans to plead guilty, an international defense expert said.

"It is my feeling he is going to go through with the guilty plea," said Michael Griffith, senior partner at the International Legal Defense Counsel. "I don't think he is going to go to trial.

"The prosecutor presented some new information in court and I think van der Sloot felt he needed some time to put together a guilty speech to address the concerns of the prosecutor," Griffith told The Huffington Post.

"The atmosphere in court there was not conducive of a one-on-one situation like lawyers in the states are accustomed to," Griffith said. "His lawyer did not have his client next to him at a table where he could talk to him. The continuance allows them to meet privately to discuss the issues."
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Regardless of what happens in Peru, Griffith said van der Sloot will eventually be extradited to the U.S. for the alleged extortion plot.

According to Griffith, the passive personality principle of international law allows a country to prosecute someone who has killed or injured an American citizen in a foreign country. In essence, jurisdiction is based on the nationality of the victim and not the location of the crime. Griffith said one example of that would be the Leon Klinghoffer case.

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« Reply #369 on: January 10, 2012, 02:11:53 PM »

Anybody think Sebastian looks like John Candy's evil twin?   
I don't know but what are the chances that two out of three sons would be sociopathic monsters?  Looks like one to me!  Just plain scary.  Kid is a mess.
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« Reply #370 on: January 10, 2012, 04:05:58 PM »

Peruvian justice is not justice when the brutal murder of Stephany Flores is considered.

Even if Joran van der Sloot received the maximum sentence afforded by the prosecution's charges ... according to his attorney the implication is that with "reduction credits" the 30 year sentence translates into 10 years.  With double time "reduction credits" for time already served ... the 10 year sentence translates into 7 years.

Does a 7 year sentence imply that Joran is eligible for a transfer to the Netherlands/Aruba to serve out his sentence?  Will the Netherlands/Aruba extradict this monster to the States to face extortion charges when his sentence is complete?

Anyways ... IF Joran pleads guilty to the prosecution's charges tomorrow ... it is my understand that the world will be privy to the outcome within 48 hours.

Janet

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Joran van der Sloot back in court Wednesday
updated 3:15 PM EST, Tue January 10, 2012


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On Wednesday, the trial could pick up where it left off, with van der Sloot admitting to “qualified murder” and “simple robbery” as charged. Then he would go on to recount the night of May 29, 2010 and the early morning hours of May 30. A so-called “sincere” confession could potentially go a long way in helping him reduce the 30 years of incarceration asked for by prosecutors by half or even more.

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http://joybehar.blogs.cnn.com/article/2012/01/10/what-expect-joran-van-der-sloot-back-court-wednesday


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« Reply #371 on: January 10, 2012, 04:09:15 PM »

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« Reply #372 on: January 10, 2012, 05:40:34 PM »

http://noticias.univision.com/america-latina/peru/article/2012-01-10/van-der-sloot-holandes-aceptaria-declararse-culpable-asesinato?ftloc=channel1460:wcmWidgetUimStage&ftpos=channel1460:wcmWidgetUimStage:1#axzz1j5vI9o1B

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Dutch agree to plead guilty in Peru
AFP | Date: 01/10/2012

Peruvian youth crime

LIMA - Dutchman Joran van der Sloot will come on Wednesday to the Peruvian court trying him and is likely to accept killing in May 2010 a young woman, after last week asked for time to reflect, his lawyer said Tuesday.

"You can say that things are designed," said his lawyer, Jose Luis Jiménez.

The defender said van der Sloot would be willing to accept in full the prosecution who blame him for killing Stephany Flores (21 years) with cruelty and ferocity in a hotel in Lima on May 30, 2010 after the two met in a casino playing poker, so it asks to be sentenced to 30 years in prison.
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The plea would allow Van der Sloot (24 years) to benefit from the "early termination" of the process, which would authorize a reduction of sentence and also to enjoy benefits after leaving prison to prison, according to Peruvian law .
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For his part, Edward Alvarez, a lawyer for the family of the victim, told AFP that "at least to him (Van der Sloot) would be that (accept his guilt) because it could have a sentence reduction of 30 to 29 or 28 years ".

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Alvarez said that if Van der Sloot does not accept the charge would go to a process in which the defendant not only exposed to a sentence of 30 years. "If evidence emerges at trial that it was robbery with death row could be charged with robbery followed by death, which is punishable by life imprisonment."

Counsel disagreed with the lawyer Jimenez, who estimated days ago that the reduction of sentence for the defendant could be up to fifteen years. "That's absurd," said Alvarez, who said that the reduction of the sentence is "at the discretion of the court."

Counsel for the family of the victim also said the accused could hardly receive Dutch prison privileges because it is a "psychopath" according to the examinations he underwent, so that their freedom would be a danger to society.
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« Reply #373 on: January 10, 2012, 09:09:01 PM »

Dutchman ready to admit killing Peruvian woman: attorney
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LIMA — Dutchman Joran van der Sloot is scheduled for a hearing Wednesday before a Peruvian court where he is likely to admit having killed a young woman in May 2010, according to his attorney.

Last week, he told the court he needed more time to think about his plea.

"It can be said that things are on track," Jose Luis Jimenez, Van der Sloot's attorney, told AFP.

The defense attorney said Van der Sloot would be ready to fully admit the prosecution's charges that blame him for killing Stephany Flores, 21, "with cruelty and ferocity" in a Lima hotel on May 30, 2010 after they met playing poker in a casino.

She was found dead after being beaten and strangled.

The prosecution is asking that Van der Sloot be sentenced to 30 years in prison.

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So far, we are headed in that direction (of a guilty plea), nothing special has changed," said Jimenez, who said he would have a final meeting with the accused before the hearing Wednesday.

"You don't have to be very smart to know where it's going," he said.

Admitting guilt would allow Van der Sloot, 24, to qualify for an "early termination" of his case, which comes with benefits under Peruvian law such as a reduced sentence and authorized leave from prison.

If he pleads guilty, the court has jurisdiction to sentence him within 48 hours.

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5joumUsXsR68wrC8S3AdSaLE6iI7g?docId=CNG.4b7ab4b02d9b30a080640aed4f7b015d.591



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« Reply #374 on: January 10, 2012, 09:11:58 PM »

Dutchman ready to admit killing Peruvian woman: attorney
(AFP) – 4 hours ago


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Edward Alvarez, lawyer for the family of the victim, told AFP that a guilty plea by Van der Sloot would most likely result in "a reduction in penalty from 30 to 29 or 28 years."

If Van der Sloot denies the charges, he would be go through a legal process that could make him subject to potential life imprisonment.

"If during the trial evidence arises that it was a robbery with death consecutively, he could be charged with robbery followed by death, which is punishable by life imprisonment," Alvarez said.

He disagreed with Van der Sloot's attorney, who estimated days ago that his client could have his sentence reduced by 15 years with a guilty plea.

"That's absurd," said Alvarez, who said a reduced sentence is "at the discretion of the court."

He also said Van der Sloot was unlikely to receive the kinds of prison privileges granted in the Netherlands because examinations of him determined he was a "psychopath" who represented a danger to society if he was freed.

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5joumUsXsR68wrC8S3AdSaLE6iI7g?docId=CNG.4b7ab4b02d9b30a080640aed4f7b015d.591

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« Reply #375 on: January 10, 2012, 09:13:38 PM »

Van der Sloot likely to admit killing Peruvian woman, his attorney says
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Last Updated: 6:28 PM, January 10, 2012

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/says_der_sloot_likely_attorney_admit_EQd5Abmeq1sWAjKccBzN7K


Van der Sloot due to plea in murder case
Published: 6:46 pm
Updated: 6:58 pm

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-due-to-plea-in-murder-case/8_CFBUaR7UGKdv8L7BI6kQ.cspx
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« Reply #376 on: January 10, 2012, 09:16:11 PM »

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/06/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot-trial/?hpt=wo_c2
Van der Sloot postpones plea
January 6, 2012


Joran van der Sloot appears in court Friday in Lima, Peru, to face charges in the 2010 death of a Peruvian woman.




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Monkeys Media Reminder … Beth Holloway & Peter R. DeVries on Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio
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Beth Holloway:

47:50 - "I feel strongly that he (Joran) is a time bomb that is waiting to go off.  He will strike again.  It is not just for Natalee that I would like to see him behind bars.  I think he has shown us all he has no control over himself or his actions."

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« Reply #377 on: January 10, 2012, 09:17:26 PM »

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« Reply #378 on: January 11, 2012, 12:30:24 AM »

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/peruaanse-proces-tegen-joran-van-start/

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #379 on: January 11, 2012, 12:40:06 AM »

http://twitter.com/peterrdev

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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