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Author Topic: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 - 1/13/12  (Read 246685 times)
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« Reply #480 on: January 11, 2012, 01:41:08 PM »

I suppose you could say three men judges might be unfair too...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45954171/ns/world_news-americas/
Natalee Holloway suspect Joran van der Sloot admits killing woman in Peru
January 11, 2012

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Under Peruvian law, a prison term for a "sincere confession" to a murder is normally much shorter than one for an outright guilty plea. Prosecutors have said van der Sloot robbed and killed Flores before fleeing the scene of a crime to Chile.

But on the first day of his trial in Lima on Friday, he told the court he should not be charged with aggravating circumstances of the murder that could lengthen his sentence.

The 24-year-old Dutch citizen had repeatedly shaken his head as the prosecutor described for the judges how van der Sloot allegedly "brutally" beat and strangled the victim in his Lima hotel room, intending to rob her.

A "sincere confession" to the judges means the trial would quickly enter a sentencing phase and he could spend less than a decade behind bars.

Women judges biased?
The defense has complained that the panel of three judges is made up exclusively of women and might be biased against him.

Peruvian prosecutors were initially expected to try for a sentence of life in prison against van der Sloot. But they had to scale back their plans and are expected to ask for a 30-year term because of sentencing guidelines for murders in which robbery could be the primary motive. The victim's family wants a life sentence.
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I contend that the women who are attracted to Joran van der Sloot while being aware of his history are women who have serious self-esteem issues.

If Joran receives a sentence substantially less than the maximum 30 years afforded by the prosecution charges ... the maximum 30 year sentence that could translate in substantially less with "reduction credits" ... I suspect that Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" are working behind the scenes with the judges ... the "Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" who have vested interest to assure that Joran does not retaliate and expose those behind the corrupt investigation that prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

Could it be that the Peruvian objective is to pacify the Flores' family and the court of public opinion while at the same time assuring that a minimum sentence implies that Joran will be transferred to Aruba/Holland to serve his sentence.

If this happens ... will Aruba/Holland cooperate in regards to Joran's extradition to the States to face extortion charges?  Is there a current extradition agreement in place?

A little research regarding the Peruvian justice system encompassing bribes that range  from the issuing of a traffic ticket all the way up to the judges residing over the outcome of criminal cases is very informative.

Janet

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Van Der Sloot Trial Postponed in Peru
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CASAREZ: You know, to Jane Velez-Mitchell, host of "ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL," I`ve been in the courtrooms in Lima, and I think you can see it, too, but he is facing the three-judge panel. So as they are believing and thinking that he`s going to offer a sincere confession for the murder of Stephany Flores, they`re watching him do all of this. Your thoughts, Jane?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think, on a conscious level, they`re angry with him. He was scolded and told to comport himself more properly. But on a subconscious level, I wonder, with fear and consternation, whether, as women, they might be swayed by his perverse, bad boy charm.

He is a notorious ladies` man. Women keep writing him in prison. He has a woman who in the past has been his guardian angel, some middle-aged woman. So I hope, unconsciously, these women judges do not get swayed by - - I don`t find him charming. He doesn`t rock my boat, that`s for sure. But apparently, he does have certain je ne sais quoi that works on women. And I hope it doesn`t work on these female judges!

CASAREZ: Oh, Jane, I hope you`re right. Do you know that I saw him look at his female translators and smile at both of them, and they smiled back.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/06/ng.01.html

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« Reply #481 on: January 11, 2012, 01:50:52 PM »

Ricardo Flores

November 10, 2010

FLORES FAMILY SAY JORAN LIVES LIKE KING


Stepahany Flores was murdered on 30 May in a hotel room, which hosts the Dutch Joran Van derSloot. Who is the prime suspect in the death of the young.

Everything indicates that the murderer would derSloot Van Stephany, because a video shows that he was the last to see her alive and enter the room where he was brutally murdered.

However, the family of the victim shows his great reproach to the Peruvian justice system, noting that Joran lives "like a king in jail."

"It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals," said Ricardo Flores outraged father of the girl killed.

He added that it's been six months since the detention of the Dutch and "until this day refuses to give his statement to the judge," he said to a local television station in Lima.

"Unfortunately it seems that there are laws in Congress to protect the criminal, not to try and sentence them." Flores said indignantly.

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8719.msg1259600;topicseen#msg1259600
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« Reply #482 on: January 11, 2012, 01:55:29 PM »

Joran van der Sloot - In His Own Words

Confession: Joran van der Sloot describes killing Stephany Flores
Published: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 2:51 PM
Updated: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 4:11 PM


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Asked for a detailed description of the killing:

"She was on the bed when I hit her hard with my right elbow and I think her head went back and hit the wall, then she begins to bleed, immediately I get on top of her and with both hands I begin to strangle her, keeping her that way for a minute. After that, I throw her to the floor but she keeps breathing. At that moment I take off my shirt and put it on her face, pressing on it. I don't remember for how long but she stops breathing, in this way I think I caused her death."

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http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/confession_joran_van_der_sloot.html


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« Reply #483 on: January 11, 2012, 02:16:14 PM »


the face of a cold-blooded conniving narcissistic killer!

It will be interesting to see how Aruba spins this confession too - of course liar island will work overtime to deflect.
Wonder how he got that cut above his eyebrow?

Joran is well known for banging his head against walls... especially when angry and frustrated.

It's a shame I can't be there to help him with his problem... he does a fair job, but I think I could really give him an assist by shoving his head from the back right as he knocks it against the wall. I like to help people.

The 13th (Friday) - 13, a terribly unlucky number. Roughly 85% of all buildings in the world lack a floor #13. Have you ever noticed that? I think 13 will be unlucky for Joran. Just a feeling.
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« Reply #484 on: January 11, 2012, 02:22:23 PM »

O/T

Hi Snoopy

 

I can now truly relate to your pain when you lost your beloved Snoopy.  Between Christmas and New Years our youngest son make the heartbreaking decision along with his father and I that the timing was right release 17 year old Brandi from her ongoing struggle to walk.  The hurt is more than I could ever have imagined.

Janet 
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« Reply #485 on: January 11, 2012, 02:36:14 PM »

 ::snipping2::

The Van der Sloot's lawyer, Jose Luis Jiménez, argued that his client suffered from "traumatic stress disorder" in committing the crime, because in the days before the murder, a wave of online publications and articles accused him responsible for the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

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While conducting the hearing, outside the prison about twenty people shouting "murderer, murderer" and on posters claimed the life sentence imposed.

http://noticias.terra.com.co/internacional/latinoamerica/holandes-se-declara-culpable-del-asesinato-de-peruana-ante-tribunal-en-lima,d67a281d82ec4310VgnVCM20000099f154d0RCRD.html
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« Reply #486 on: January 11, 2012, 02:37:58 PM »

BBQ grill, now that's funny!
Sabatian, IMO, is on steroids
I been ill for 4 mos. sinus, flu, lost ability to walk and in Dec, type 2 diabetes; am building strength; tomorrow is my "debut" for cleaning and gardening.

Good to know we are together again!  

If my name were Van der Sloot, I'd change it too, for survival!

Good to see you, IBE!

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« Reply #487 on: January 11, 2012, 02:40:27 PM »

Van der Sloot attorney: "Obviously it has to receive medical treatment"
 José Luis Jiménez said that "what is most suited" to his client was eligible for early termination of the process followed by the death of

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Speaking to the press, Jimenez reiterated his position and said that Van der Sloot confessed to having victimized Flores Ramirez to the National Police "when he thought he had all the guarantees."

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http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1359615/noticia-abogado-van-der-sloot-obvio-que-tiene-que-recibir-tratamiento-medico
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« Reply #488 on: January 11, 2012, 02:44:56 PM »

I know Magnolia's happy where ever she watched the game tonight!

 

Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer....give em hell Alabama.
I was pleased and pleasantly surprised.  Roll Tide!!

 

Hey Mags, Congrats!

 

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« Reply #489 on: January 11, 2012, 02:46:17 PM »

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The judge asked whether he agreed with all "the ends of the indictment," which stated that the Dutch had killed with "cruelty" and "ferocity" university student Stephany Flores, to which Van der Sloot said "yes" shaking his head.

In last Friday's hearing, the alien had expressed to the court to accept his guilt but disagreed with the prosecution stated aggravating. However, for a defendant is eligible for the so-called early termination of the process must accept all terms of the indictment.

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The audience did not attend Flores's father, businessman and former race car driver, Ricardo Flores, who told the AP that not even attend the sentencing hearing.

"To us it hurts this issue, we do not like right now," he said.

The Flores' lawyer, Edward Alvarez, told reporters that the plea was what suited the Dutch, and urged the court to issue a fair sentence.

"I think if they were 20 years do not accept," he said, but added that accept or challenge the hypothetical sentence will depend on the family.

In Peru you can get out of jail before their full sentence by the existence of a system of prison privileges, such as the exchange of days of a conviction for study or work in prison.

But Alvarez questioned whether it was applicable in the case of Van der Sloot.

"There comes a psychopath benefits because it is a danger to society," he said.

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Alvarez said there is some evidence that Van der Sloot killed Flores to steal and mentioned that the file existed in foreign communications with their friends in Holland in which he told them he had met a girl with money in the casino.

"It (the crime) was premeditated," said Alvarez.

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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/elsentinel/fl-es-peru0112012,0,6791477.story
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« Reply #490 on: January 11, 2012, 02:48:24 PM »

 ::snipping2::

Not only local media and made ​​Peruvian tweeters Sloot and Stephany Flores global Trending Topic, different international media also broadcast this information from your accounts on Twitter.

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http://peru21.pe/2012/01/11/reportuit/caso-van-der-sloot-se-convierte-tema-mundial-2007030
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« Reply #491 on: January 11, 2012, 02:49:34 PM »



Here is the perfect pic to use.... along with the perfect headline.

"I am truly very sorry for what I have done. I feel very bad." -Joran Van der sloot

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He needs finishing.
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« Reply #492 on: January 11, 2012, 02:51:24 PM »

Van der Sloot Lawyer: He is dissocial and has pathology

 Lima. Jose Luis Jimenez, Dutch lawyer Joran Van der Sloot, who claimed to be guilty for the murder of Stephany Flores, said his client, according to medical records, is a "person dissocial and is pathology."

 "He is a person dissocial. It pathology. I can tell you that much of this is related to the prosecution for five years at a young age. Do not expect it to be a normal person. He has to be treated (clinically), "he told reporters.

 He also argued that a person who kills another, "is definitely not someone who is clinically well. Obviously it has to be evaluated clinically. "

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On the other hand, said his client has had a "collaborationist attitude from the outset."

 "He, when he saw that it had guarantees of law, as it was pointed out at the police stage, working with the judiciary and has details how it happened," he said.

 He said that the minimum penalty Van der Sloot could receive is 15 years.

http://peru.com/actualidad/abogado-van-der-sloot-disocial-y-tiene-patologia-noticia-37542a
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« Reply #493 on: January 11, 2012, 02:54:33 PM »

Foreign media closely followed trial of Joran van der Sloot
 

 Lima, Jan.. 11 (ANDINA). A score of journalists from foreign media covered the incident in Lima today's trial against the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, charged with the murder of the young Stephany Flores, which occurred in May 2010.


 Among the Dutch media was observed at GPD news agency and RTL, whose reporters and cameramen followed minute by minute the process in which Van der Sloot pleaded guilty to the crime.

 John Albert Houlsen, GPD, and Alex Tielemam, RTL, agreed that the process is carried out in a fair and clean, and highlighted the professional work of the judges who make up the college.

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http://www.andina.com.pe/Espanol/noticia-prensa-extranjera-siguio-cerca-juicio-oral-joran-van-der-sloot-394724.aspx
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« Reply #494 on: January 11, 2012, 02:59:42 PM »

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Asked if he felt guilty for the death of Flores Ramirez and whether to accept the entire contents of the indictment by Judge Victoria Peraldo Montoya, head of the tribunal trying him, Van de Sloot said, "I welcome the early conclusion."

Attorney Miriam Castellares Riveros, head of the Ninth Criminal Lima Senior Prosecutor has requested a sentence of 30 years in prison for Van der Sloot on charges of murder and theft perpetrated against Flores simple Ramirez.

PENALTY ORDERED BENIGN
In their arguments before the court, the Dutch lawyer, Jose Luis Jiménez, recalled the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba U.S. in 2005. He justified that after this, his client was marked by a psychological stress on the day said Flores killed Ramirez.

Immediately, the family lawyer of the victim, Edward Alvarez, asked the room Jiménez urge to stick to the crime of the young Peruvian.

After the wake-up call, the defense of Van der Sloot said his "sponsored is deeply sorry for the facts against him." He even said that the poker player collaborated from the outset with the preliminary investigations.

"In the research stage at the front of the Fourth Judicial Court Jail Criminal Defendants had also confessed. However, it was silent because they violate his right not to provide an official translator accredited for this function (...) The court must assess the sincere confession of my client, "he said.

Finally, Jimenez said the court should evaluate the benefits foregone conclusion the day Van der Sloot. "They could reduce the penalty assessed to the minimum," he added.

DRIVERS pleads not guilty
The other defendants John William Aparcana Pisconte, John Oswald and Carlos Alberto Aparcana Euribe Pisconte Pretil-who drove the car in which the Dutch fled the country bound for Chile, where he was captured, pleaded not guilty to the charges against him. The public prosecutor had requested five years in prison for them.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1359533/noticia-van-der-sloot-se-declaro-culpable-crimen-stephany-flores

If this article is correct Urine never admitted anything, he only said he looks forward to the trial being over.  It was his lawyer that then put words out there that Urine was sorry. 
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« Reply #495 on: January 11, 2012, 03:00:45 PM »

I am home today by happenstance, turn on the TV just for some noise, and caught it.
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In his confession, he didn't admit to the robbery aspect did he ?
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I just knew that he " trauma" he suffered was going to be brought up.
Glad that he confessed and is waiting sentencing but no so glad that his lawyer tried to turn it into Joran's trauma. He got a freebie from Aruba, I just hope he doesn't get a reduced sentence because of his trauma. Or a transfer to elsewhere after a few years, like Holland or Aruba.
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« Reply #496 on: January 11, 2012, 03:02:11 PM »

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Consulted by the magistrates of Collegiate 'B' of the Third Criminal Court for Prison Inmates in on whether to accept all the terms of the indictment, Van der Sloot said only that "home to the early termination" without specifying if it rejects the aggravating , as pointed out by his defense last week.

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http://peru21.pe/2012/01/11/actualidad/van-der-sloot-se-declaro-culpable-2007025
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« Reply #497 on: January 11, 2012, 03:06:28 PM »

Van der Sloot took charge to avoid imprisonment "
 So said the Flores family's lawyer, Edward Alvarez, who said the Dutch defense fell into serious contradictions

 The lawyer for the family of Stephany Flores, Edward Alvarez said the Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot filed for early termination of the process by the young Peruvian crime to avoid a penalty of more than 30 years and a possible life sentence.

 "He has accepted this charge, knowing that the penalty could be higher, because I knew even when the penalties act could be the assumption that the charge be changed. We were going to show that this was not a homicide, but robbery followed by death and this is life imprisonment. There is a police report stating that Van der Sloot was intended to take the money of Stephany Flores, "he said at a news conference.

 Alvarez said that the early termination does not in any way a sincere confession by the Dutch. "He has only agreed to the terms of the charge, but has never told how they were given the fact how he killed Stephany, you can not accept that as a confession," he added.

Contradictions
 Moreover, the defense of the victim considered that Van der Sloot's lawyer, Jose Luis Jiménez, fell into serious contradictions in the allegations that led to the College 'B' of the Third Criminal Court for Inmates in Jail.

Considered as a "terrible mistake" to say that the Dutch collaborated with the research, because he tried to void the confession he gave to the police, did not testify at the stage instructive and even sought to break the process by means of a habeas corpus petition in the Constitutional Court.

 Finally, Alvarez said if the court ruling is 20 years old, he will appeal this decision to the Superior Court.


http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1359580/noticia-van-der-sloot-acepto-acusacion-evitar-cadena-perpetua
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« Reply #498 on: January 11, 2012, 03:08:53 PM »

Defense of the Flores family: Van der Sloot is not repentant VIDEO

 Lima - The lawyer for the family of the girl murdered by Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot, Edewar Alvarez said that the attitudes of the accused during the trial show that it is sorry but he accepted the charge because it knew that the penalty would not more.

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http://diariocorreo.pe/nota/62241/defensa-de-la-familia-flores-van-der-sloot-no-esta-arrepentido/
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« Reply #499 on: January 11, 2012, 03:10:54 PM »

Lawyer asks convict Joran van der Sloot with minimum penalty
 Speaking to RPP Noticias, Jose Luis Jimenez said the young Dutchman 25 years of age has always collaborated with the law to clarify the crime of Stephany Flores.

Jose Luis Jimenez's lawyer asked that his client, the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, is sentenced to the minimum sentence established by the Penal Code for the crime of murder, which is 15 years imprisonment.

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http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-11-abogado-pide-condenar-a-joran-van-der-sloot-con-la-minima-pena-noticia_439704.html

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