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« Reply #500 on: January 11, 2012, 03:15:13 PM »

Video: Joran Van der Sloot smiles after accepting his guilt

 Lima. After Joran Van der Sloot pleaded guilty for the crime of Stephany Flores, the Dutch went to his lawyer Jose Luis Jimnez and started smiling.

http://peru.com/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-sonrie-aceptar-su-culpa-noticia-37531
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« Reply #501 on: January 11, 2012, 03:23:26 PM »



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I could be wrong but ... I suspect that Joran van der Sloot's utter lack of respect to the court on so many level on January 6th and today implies that his guilty plea was a given and Friday's outcome is a given ... a given arrived at prior to the prosecution handing down the charges two months ago that implied a maximum 30 year sentence ... a maximum 30 year sentence that in actuality translates into a much lighter sentence rather than charges that would have demanded a life sentence.

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  that ... tran in all probability ... translates through "reduction credits" into
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« Reply #502 on: January 11, 2012, 03:29:19 PM »

Judged by 3 women. 
Priceless.

I hope he gets the maximum time in that hell hole and survives to come to America and die in an Alabama prison.  Then I will be satisfied.
What a POS. 


Justice for Natalee. 
Justice for Stephany.

Carry on and come across

 
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« Reply #503 on: January 11, 2012, 03:44:07 PM »

Just got home.  Thanks for the links, pictures, comments, and articles! 

I hope that his luck runs out on Friday, January 13!   ::boxingjoran::
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« Reply #504 on: January 11, 2012, 04:03:37 PM »

VIDEO Family Lawyer Stephany Flores explained that qualify for early termination, Van der Sloot eliminated the possibility of a trial and it can be demonstrated that there was premeditation in the death due to robbery.

Edward Alvarez, a lawyer for the family of Stephany Flores said the Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot to benefit from the legal figure of the early termination eliminated the possibility that trial could prove that there was premeditation in the death due to robbery, which would have merited a life sentence and not just 30 years in prison.

Questioned on that line from the investigation stage of the process, the prosecution has shown "weakness" for having accused of simple homicide and theft when, as he said the police investigation and court of first instance showing that the purpose of Van der Sloot was to take the money from the young Peruvian, but she resisted and killed her. "That in Peruvian law is robbery followed by death, and if she (the prosecutor) had been accused by these facts, we are talking 30 years but not life imprisonment," he told RPP Noticias.

He criticized the attorney holder of the Ninth Criminal Prosecutor's Office, Miriam Zully Castellares Riveros, has dismissed a report establishing that the Dutch police sent to Peru via the mechanism of international judicial assistance, and regretted not be made public because there will be no trial or presentation of witnesses.

He said that this material was referred to wiretapping by court-phones-to two friends of the Dutch, whose talks with Van der Sloot, say explicitly that the latter had no money and Stephany Flores killed because she did not give money.


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http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-11-van-der-sloot-anulo-toda-posibilidad-de-una-condena-a-cadena-perpetua-noticia_439770.html
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« Reply #505 on: January 11, 2012, 04:15:59 PM »

http://www.gadsdentimes.com/article/20120111/APN/1201111228

Judge asked to declare Natalee Holloway dead
By PHILLIP RAWLS
Associated Press
Published: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.
Last Modified: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.

A judge holds a hearing Thursday on whether to sign a court order declaring Natalee Holloway dead more than six years after she disappeared in Aruba. The hearing comes one day after a suspect questioned in her disappearance, Joran van der Sloot, pleaded guilty to killing a woman in Peru.
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Attorneys say both parents plan to attend.
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« Reply #506 on: January 11, 2012, 04:21:21 PM »

VIDEO Family Lawyer Stephany Flores explained that qualify for early termination, Van der Sloot eliminated the possibility of a trial and it can be demonstrated that there was premeditation in the death due to robbery.

Edward Alvarez, a lawyer for the family of Stephany Flores said the Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot to benefit from the legal figure of the early termination eliminated the possibility that trial could prove that there was premeditation in the death due to robbery, which would have merited a life sentence and not just 30 years in prison.

Questioned on that line from the investigation stage of the process, the prosecution has shown "weakness" for having accused of simple homicide and theft when, as he said the police investigation and court of first instance showing that the purpose of Van der Sloot was to take the money from the young Peruvian, but she resisted and killed her. "That in Peruvian law is robbery followed by death, and if she (the prosecutor) had been accused by these facts, we are talking 30 years but not life imprisonment," he told RPP Noticias.

He criticized the attorney holder of the Ninth Criminal Prosecutor's Office, Miriam Zully Castellares Riveros, has dismissed a report establishing that the Dutch police sent to Peru via the mechanism of international judicial assistance, and regretted not be made public because there will be no trial or presentation of witnesses.

He said that this material was referred to wiretapping by court-phones-to two friends of the Dutch, whose talks with Van der Sloot, say explicitly that the latter had no money and Stephany Flores killed because she did not give money.


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http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-11-van-der-sloot-anulo-toda-posibilidad-de-una-condena-a-cadena-perpetua-noticia_439770.html

Thanks Northern Rose

I suspect the Pervian Justice System attempted a balancing act ... a balancing act that would appease a weary Flores' family and ... the court of public attention.  Edward Alvarez' words imply it didn't work.

What prevented the Peruvian prosecutor from handing down the greater charges ... the greater charge that dictated a life sentence?

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« Reply #507 on: January 11, 2012, 04:28:55 PM »

http://www.gadsdentimes.com/article/20120111/APN/1201111228

Judge asked to declare Natalee Holloway dead
By PHILLIP RAWLS
Associated Press
Published: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.
Last Modified: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.

A judge holds a hearing Thursday on whether to sign a court order declaring Natalee Holloway dead more than six years after she disappeared in Aruba. The hearing comes one day after a suspect questioned in her disappearance, Joran van der Sloot, pleaded guilty to killing a woman in Peru.
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Attorneys say both parents plan to attend.


Thanks Grace

Both my DIL and I have been watching for a media report regarding Thursdays hearing.

Janet
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« Reply #508 on: January 11, 2012, 04:34:17 PM »

VIDEO
'Van der Sloot is a person dissocial and should be treated'
 Wednesday January 11, 2012 | 4:13
 Attorney murderer of Stephany Flores referred to a person who kills another is not clinically well. He said that qualify for the early conclusion was what most suited his client.

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http://peru21.pe/2012/01/11/actualidad/van-der-sloot-persona-disocial-y-tratado-2007061
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« Reply #509 on: January 11, 2012, 04:38:34 PM »

Van der Sloot Lawyer: "It has to be treated"

 Discuss Jose Luis Jimenez, counsel for the Dutch Joran Van der Sloot, the young offender Stephany Ramirez Flores, said his client is not a psychopath, as we pointed out the defense of the victim, Edward Alvarez.

 "They should analyze the file, it says it is a psychopath. He is a dissocial person has a disease, much of this is related to the persecution suffered for six years by the Holloway case, "he added.

 However, counsel conceded that "obviously" the Dutchman "has to be treated," because a person "who takes the life of another is not clinically well." Jimenez added that Van der Sloot expected to receive a lesser sentence to 30 years requested by prosecutors.

http://noticias.terra.com.pe/nacional/abogado-de-van-der-sloot-tiene-que-recibir-tratamiento,3f23fb45d5ec4310VgnVCM3000009af154d0RCRD.html

    
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« Reply #510 on: January 11, 2012, 04:42:53 PM »

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In consultation with his lawyer, Joran has now chosen to agree with the accusation of the prosecutor. Not because he wants to provide clarity to the family of Stephany Flores, and not because he is really sorry, but for the simple reason that the punishment likely will turn out better for him. Maybe he gets just a little less than the required 30 years. And if he ensures that he keeps a low profile during his detention, he was less the case for a reduced sentence and sometimes past midnight on the streets. Well, on the street ...

 Because then begins almost certainly the next chapter in the criminal career of Joran van der Sloot: extradition to the U.S. for extortion of the Holloway family ...

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/volledige-bekentenis-joran-van-der-sloot/
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« Reply #511 on: January 11, 2012, 05:07:11 PM »

It looks like the courtroom drama is going to continue.  It seems that the defense will appeal to the Supreme Court if the sentence is more than 20 years; the family's lawyer will appeal the sentence if it is less than 28 years.   ::boxingjoran::

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gXnuMb0qT5pZ2tJp4E8ObRMVNdgA?docId=CNG.0fe739f1f49df34b937ed993417cb269.ab1

Dutchman pleads guilty in Peru murder trial
(AFP) 5 hours ago

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Van der Sloot's lawyer said Wednesday that, had the trial lasted longer, he would have argued that the murder was the result of "an emotional reaction to an extreme psychological shock" linked to numerous articles slandering the Dutchman on the fifth anniversary of Holloway's disappearance, in May 2010.

The accelerated trial means no further mention will likely be made of the Holloway case.

Van der Sloot's rapid admission of guilt will allow him to qualify for an "early termination" of his case, which comes with benefits under Peruvian law such as a reduced sentence and authorized leave from prison.

Had he denied the charges, he would have faced a legal process that could have potentially led to life imprisonment.

The sentence reduction is at the discretion of the court. The Dutchman's lawyer, Jose Luis Jimenez, said the sentence could be lowered from 30 to 20 or even 15 years.

The lawyer for the victim's family, Edwar Alvarez, aimed for a minimal reduction, to 28 or 29 years.

"We'd refuse a sentence of 20 years," Alvarez told journalists.

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« Reply #512 on: January 11, 2012, 05:09:25 PM »



GUILTY OF MURDER

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« Reply #513 on: January 11, 2012, 05:14:53 PM »

MAY 25, 2010 Joran contacted John Q. Kelly for the last time.

MAY 25, 2010 JORAN RESPONDS TO  POSTS ON HIS FACEBOOK

Jaime Carrasquilla 
Awo cu Mourinho ta bai join Real Madrid e worst nightmare di Barca Ta bai cuminsa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AYO Barca!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Yesterday at 9:21am 

Joran Van Der Sloot 
pfff you wish 
Yesterday at 3:06pm


Romy Hoeksma 
Hey Joran, 
How are you doing? long time no speak..woon je nog in thailand?Yesterday at 11:40am 

Joran Van Der Sloot 
Hey Romy, 
Ja zoizo lang geleden. Nee zit niet meer in thailand ben nu in een ander land. Hoe gaat alles met jou? 
Yesterday at 11:45am 

Romy Hoeksma 
ja top:) 
Binnekort weer lekker naar de caribean:) daarna ga ik door naar seoel voor me study..wat doe je nu allemaal? 
Yesterday at 11:47am 

Joran Van Der Sloot 
Doe je goed welk eiland ga je naartoe? Ik ben bezig met werk heb me bedrijf in thailand verhuurd en heb nu gewoon een betaalde baan dus ben daar ook druk mee bezig. Hoop dat alles goed met jou is en veel geluk gewenst in seoel ik ben er een keer geweest met wat thaise vrienden en was super leuk uiteraad well een cultuur shock maar daar doe je het voor tog . Groetjes. 
Yesterday at 11:52am 

Translated: 

Romy Hoeksma 
Hey Joran, 
How are you doing? long time no speak...yet you live in thailand? 

Joran: 
Yes zoizo long ago. No is no longer in Thailand am in another country. How's everything with you? 

Romy: 
yes top:) 
Soon again went to the Caribbean:) then I go on to Seoul to study me .. what do you all now? 

Joran: 
Do you look what island are you going? I'm doing work, I let my business in Thailand and have now just a paid job so am too busy working. Hope all is well with you and good luck in Seoul, I been here once with some Thai friends and was super nice uiteraad a culture shock but well done for the tog:). Greetings.

JORAN EMAIL TO JOHN LUDWIG:
May 26:

Hey,
Just so you know I will be coming back to Aruba on Sunday."

May 29:
"Happy birthday man I hope you had a good day & remember how imortant family & friends are.  I won't bother you today but send me some money through Western Union tomorrow.  The only information of mine you is my name Joran van der Sloot, the country Peru & the city Lima.  I need this man for my ticket back so di it for me.  Take care & enjoy your b-day."

05/29/2010
Stephany Flores meets Joran van der Sloot in the Atlantic City Casino in Lima, Peru

May 30/31, 2010 Joran leaves Casino with Stephany and returns to his hotel R 5:16 and 8:45 am Joran leaves his hotel room.http://www.diariolaprimeraperu.com/online/policial/holandes-es-principal-sospechoso_63588.html
Approx. 5:16am:     Joran van der Sloot and Stephany Flores leave the Atlantic City Casino
Approx. 5:40am:     Joran van der Sloot and Stephany Flores arrive at TAC hotel and enter Joran's room
Approx. 8:10-8:30am:     Joran leaves the hotel room, crosses the street, purchases two cups of coffee & breakfast bread, returns to the hotel room
Approx. 9:45am:     Joran leaves the hotel room a second time carrying a duffel bag and backpack.

05/31/2010
Natalee Holloway, Missing in Aruba 5 Years Later Beth Holloway Fights on for Missing Persons

Joran Has Fled to Chile
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« Reply #514 on: January 11, 2012, 05:21:01 PM »

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/11/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot/?hpt=hp_t2

Van der Sloot pleads guilty to Peruvian woman's murderBy the CNN Wire Staff
January 11, 2012 -- Updated 2007 GMT (0407 HKT)

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The Peruvian murder case garnered global attention in part because of the circumstances of the killing, but also because van der Sloot was arrested twice but never charged in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

"I was just happy to see that the Flores family finally got justice," Dave Holloway, Natalee Holloway's father, told HLN's Nancy Grace. "I just hope that on Friday that he gets the proper sentence that he deserves."
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Dave Holloway said he was "kind of surprised" that van der Sloot's defense attorney used the Holloway case and the death of van der Sloot's father in an attempt to reduce his sentence, saying they created stress for him.

"He created all this -- if he has any stress -- created all this stress himself," Holloway said. "I just don't buy it."
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Dave Holloway said Wednesday he doesn't believe Aruban authorities will ever be able to prosecute van der Sloot in his daughter's disappearance.

"To some extent, you try to hold in your mind that this sentencing coming up Friday will help out, and just knowing he's behind bars will help out," he said. "... You've just got to, you know, take a step back and say, 'He's behind bars and that's probably as good as we're going to get.'"
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« Reply #515 on: January 11, 2012, 05:43:26 PM »



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I could be wrong but ... I suspect that Joran van der Sloot's utter lack of respect to the court on so many level on January 6th and today implies that his guilty plea was a given and Friday's outcome is a given ... two givens that were arrived at prior to the prosecution handing down the charges two months ago that implied a maximum 30 year sentence ... a maximum 30 year sentence that in actuality translates into a much lighter sentence .... rather than charges that would have demanded a life sentence.

Janet

In other words ... Joran van der Sloot was not on a mission to impress the judges ... the judges who held his fate in their hands.

Janet
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« Reply #516 on: January 11, 2012, 05:46:33 PM »

Janet  I'm sorry to hear about Brandi.
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« Reply #517 on: January 11, 2012, 05:50:34 PM »



Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom


I could be wrong but ... I suspect that Joran van der Sloot's utter lack of respect to the court on so many level on January 6th and today implies that his guilty plea was a given and Friday's outcome is a given ... two givens that were arrived at prior to the prosecution handing down the charges two months ago that implied a maximum 30 year sentence ... a maximum 30 year sentence that in actuality translates into a much lighter sentence .... rather than charges that would have demanded a life sentence.

Janet

In other words ... Joran van der Sloot was not on a mission to impress the judges ... the judges who held his fate in their hands.

Janet

reduced sentence or not he's a walking tick tock.

Kalpoe's are next.

Jan. 24th is the date Skeeters died.





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« Reply #518 on: January 11, 2012, 05:51:14 PM »

Janet  I'm sorry to hear about Brandi.

what happened to Brandi?
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« Reply #519 on: January 11, 2012, 05:53:12 PM »

Janet  I'm sorry to hear about Brandi.

Thanks snoopy.  I am told the sting will lessen with time.  However ... right now I have such guilt that I betrayed the one who never failed to give unconditional love.

Janet
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