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« Reply #560 on: January 12, 2012, 12:10:27 AM »

I wanted to thank everyone for their pictures and links today.  I don't have much time to read and reading your comments helps.

Magnolia, I find it very ironic that Natalee's hearing to be declared dead is the day before the monster gets sentenced.


I do too, San.   The hearing is at 9:30AM, CST in the Jefferson County Courthouse, in Birmingham.
I think it is a sad day to declare Natalee dead for $2,000.

I do too.  Hopefully there is something behind all of this.

I think it's a legal move. If Natalee is declared dead, then it opens the possibility to go after Joran for her murder whereas no body no crime.


I've wondered about that too.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #561 on: January 12, 2012, 12:40:44 AM »

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2012/0112/Van-der-Sloot-plea-may-lead-Judge-to-declare-Natalee-Holloway-dead

Van der Sloot plea may lead Judge to declare Natalee Holloway dead
Van der Sloot accepted the Peruvian murder charges against him, Wednesday, which may allow a Judge in Alabama to declare Natalee Holloway dead based on the adjudication of Van der Sloot, the only suspect in her killing.
By PHILLIP RAWLS, Associated Press / January 12, 2012

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Jefferson County Probate Judge Alan King is hearing a request by Natalee Holloway's father to have her declared dead. Her mother originally objected, but will not contest a ruling Thursday, her attorney said.
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The father's attorney, Mark White, said no new evidence has emerged, and he will ask the judge to rule her dead.

"We intend to point out the fact that the person who we believe is responsible for this tragedy is now an adjudicated killer," White said Wednesday.
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Attorneys for the Holloway family said both of Natalee Holloway's parents plan to be in the Birmingham courtroom on Thursday.

Beth Holloway's attorney, John Q. Kelly, said, "Our thoughts and prayers are with the Flores family during these extraordinarily painful and public proceedings. We hope they find some measure of privacy, inner strength and peace as time goes by."

Kelly said that once van der Sloot is sentenced on Friday, he expect U.S. authorities to try to bring him to Alabama to face pending federal charges accusing him of extorting $25,000 from Beth Holloway to reveal the location of her body daughter's body in Aruba. Kelly went to Aruba for the revelation, but van der Sloot did not deliver.
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At a court hearing in September, Beth Holloway sent a lawyer to oppose her husband's efforts to have their daughter declared dead.

The attorney, Charlie DeBardelaben, said Wednesday evening she no longer objects and she understands the reasons her ex-husband wants a ruling. "She is ready to put an end to this chapter," he said.

At that court hearing, Dave Holloway's attorney said a court order declaring her dead would allow her father to use her $2,000 college fund for her younger brother and allow the father to stop paying hospital insurance for her.
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« Reply #562 on: January 12, 2012, 12:52:47 AM »

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2012/0112/Van-der-Sloot-plea-may-lead-Judge-to-declare-Natalee-Holloway-dead

Van der Sloot plea may lead Judge to declare Natalee Holloway dead
Van der Sloot accepted the Peruvian murder charges against him, Wednesday, which may allow a Judge in Alabama to declare Natalee Holloway dead based on the adjudication of Van der Sloot, the only suspect in her killing.
By PHILLIP RAWLS
, Associated Press / January 12, 2012

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Jefferson County Probate Judge Alan King is hearing a request by Natalee Holloway's father to have her declared dead. Her mother originally objected, but will not contest a ruling Thursday, her attorney said.
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The father's attorney, Mark White, said no new evidence has emerged, and he will ask the judge to rule her dead.

"We intend to point out the fact that the person who we believe is responsible for this tragedy is now an adjudicated killer," White said Wednesday.
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Attorneys for the Holloway family said both of Natalee Holloway's parents plan to be in the Birmingham courtroom on Thursday.

Beth Holloway's attorney, John Q. Kelly, said, "Our thoughts and prayers are with the Flores family during these extraordinarily painful and public proceedings. We hope they find some measure of privacy, inner strength and peace as time goes by."

Kelly said that once van der Sloot is sentenced on Friday, he expect U.S. authorities to try to bring him to Alabama to face pending federal charges accusing him of extorting $25,000 from Beth Holloway to reveal the location of her body daughter's body in Aruba. Kelly went to Aruba for the revelation, but van der Sloot did not deliver.
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At a court hearing in September, Beth Holloway sent a lawyer to oppose her husband's efforts to have their daughter declared dead.

The attorney, Charlie DeBardelaben, said Wednesday evening she no longer objects and she understands the reasons her ex-husband wants a ruling. "She is ready to put an end to this chapter," he said.

At that court hearing, Dave Holloway's attorney said a court order declaring her dead would allow her father to use her $2,000 college fund for her younger brother and allow the father to stop paying hospital insurance for her.

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« Reply #563 on: January 12, 2012, 12:54:10 AM »

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2012/0112/Van-der-Sloot-plea-may-lead-Judge-to-declare-Natalee-Holloway-dead

Van der Sloot plea may lead Judge to declare Natalee Holloway dead
Van der Sloot accepted the Peruvian murder charges against him, Wednesday, which may allow a Judge in Alabama to declare Natalee Holloway dead based on the adjudication of Van der Sloot, the only suspect in her killing.
By PHILLIP RAWLS
, Associated Press / January 12, 2012

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Jefferson County Probate Judge Alan King is hearing a request by Natalee Holloway's father to have her declared dead. Her mother originally objected, but will not contest a ruling Thursday, her attorney said.
 ::snipping2::
The father's attorney, Mark White, said no new evidence has emerged, and he will ask the judge to rule her dead.

"We intend to point out the fact that the person who we believe is responsible for this tragedy is now an adjudicated killer," White said Wednesday.
 ::snipping2::
Attorneys for the Holloway family said both of Natalee Holloway's parents plan to be in the Birmingham courtroom on Thursday.

Beth Holloway's attorney, John Q. Kelly, said, "Our thoughts and prayers are with the Flores family during these extraordinarily painful and public proceedings. We hope they find some measure of privacy, inner strength and peace as time goes by."

Kelly said that once van der Sloot is sentenced on Friday, he expect U.S. authorities to try to bring him to Alabama to face pending federal charges accusing him of extorting $25,000 from Beth Holloway to reveal the location of her body daughter's body in Aruba. Kelly went to Aruba for the revelation, but van der Sloot did not deliver.
 ::snipping2::
At a court hearing in September, Beth Holloway sent a lawyer to oppose her husband's efforts to have their daughter declared dead.

The attorney, Charlie DeBardelaben, said Wednesday evening she no longer objects and she understands the reasons her ex-husband wants a ruling. "She is ready to put an end to this chapter," he said.


At that court hearing, Dave Holloway's attorney said a court order declaring her dead would allow her father to use her $2,000 college fund for her younger brother and allow the father to stop paying hospital insurance for her.

Good to hear!!
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« Reply #564 on: January 12, 2012, 01:27:26 AM »

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/natalee-holloway-mother-takes-comfort-joran-van-der-sloot-courtroom-admission-killed-stephany-flores-article-1.1004922

Natalee Holloway’s mother takes little comfort in Joran van der Sloot’s courtroom admission that he killed Stephany Flores
Claim of post-traumatic stress 'outrageous and unfathomable,' Beth Holloway's lawyer says
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 By Nancy Dillon / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Thursday, January 12 2012, 12:19 AM

Natalee Holloway’s mom found little comfort Wednesday in Joran van der Sloot’s courtroom admission that he killed a Peruvian gal pal in 2010, her lawyer told the Daily News.

“It doesn’t bring her any closer to any resolution of Natalee’s disappearance,” lawyer John Q. Kelly said, calling the mother’s ongoing pain “immeasurable.”

Kelly said his still-grieving client, Beth Holloway, scoffed at Van der Sloot’s so-called “sincere confession.”

Particularly offensive to the mother was the 24-year-old Dutchman’s claim he suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder due to accusations that he killed Natalee Holloway during the teen’s 2005 graduation trip to Aruba, Kelly said.

“It’s just outrageous and unfathomable that he’s using his torment of the Holloway family, his refusal to cooperate and his extortion and fraudulent behavior as a reason why he deserves sympathy,” Kelly told The News.
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“Obviously, she’d like to see him as miserable and suffering as much as possible in a jail somewhere for the immeasurable pain and misery he’s inflicted on her and her family,” Kelly said.

“She has not one iota of sympathy or forgiveness.”
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Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/natalee-holloway-mother-takes-comfort-joran-van-der-sloot-courtroom-admission-killed-stephany-flores-article-1.1004922#ixzz1jDpkyA31
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« Reply #565 on: January 12, 2012, 01:47:17 AM »

http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=10764

Joran van der Sloot pleads guilty to killing Peru woman

Posted by Aruba Daily on January 11th, 2012

Joran van der Sloot pleaded guilty on Wednesday to the 2010 murder of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman he met at a Lima casino who was killed five years to the day of the unsolved disappearance in Aruba of an American teen in which he remains the main suspect.

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Van der Sloot entered the plea in hopes of a reduced sentence. The panel of three judges has 48 hours to render a sentence.

Prosecutors sought 30 years in prison on first-degree murder and theft charges. The defense claimed the killing was manslaughter, whose minimum sentence is 5 years.

Van der Sloot claimed in a confession shortly after the May 30, 2010, murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores that he killed her in a fit of rage after she discovered on his laptop his connection to the disappearance of Holloway.

But prosecutors say Van der Sloot killed Flores, a business student from a prominent family, in order to rob her after learning she had won money at the casino where the two met. They say he killed her with “ferocity” and “cruelty,” beating then strangling her in his Lima hotel room.

Holloway, an Alabama teen, disappeared a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island of Aruba where Van der Sloot grew up.



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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #566 on: January 12, 2012, 01:49:20 AM »

I'm glad to hear that Beth has no sympathy or forgiveness............ neither do I.

Joran hasn't sought forgiveness, repented, repaired all he could, changed his ways, or even so much as said or felt sorry! He's got some uncomfortable feelings right now, but that's still all about him....... he's scared of consequences. He's had so few in his life, thanks to Anita, Paulus and Aruba and I do add to that list, his own choices.

He's already dead in every way that counts, IMO. The problem is that he keeps taking vibrant, beautiful, innocent and unsuspecting girls with him!

I know this sounds weird, but I have more sympathy for Joran if what's in front of him isn't hard and cruel enough to make him look up for help. I can't see any indication at all that will ever happen. He's soul is dead. What faces him will just put things in better sync.

The love and empathy required for sympathy and forgiveness is extended, by me, to those who can receive it. Beth and Natalee's family and Stephany's family have all of mine, along with my prayers for comfort.

Good riddance to Joran
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« Reply #567 on: January 12, 2012, 02:11:41 AM »

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

January 12, 2012 Awe Mainta (Aruba)
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #568 on: January 12, 2012, 02:33:12 AM »

http://www.diario.aw/

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January 12, 2012 Front Page

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http://www.diario.aw/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-a-declara-su-mes-culpable-di-mata-stephany-flores/

Papiamentu translation:

joran van der sloot owing to declara his self culpable of kill stephany flores

publication: thursday, 12 january 2012.

categoria: general

peru: joran van der sloot owing to declara his self culpable diaranzon, for asesinato of stephany flores of 21 year of peru. the asesinato at peru did take lugar at 2010, exactly 5 year after of desaparicion of natalee holloway for of aruba, for cual van der sloot also was the sospechoso principal. “si my wanted declara my self culpable”. “for of first instant my wanted owing to confesa sinceramente”, past owing to tell corte. “di berdad i am lamenta thing owing to sosode y i am feel my self much malo”.

this according the dutch fast of one panel of 3 huez, kendenan owing to tell cu sentencia will is diabierna end.

van der sloot can achieve till cu 30 year of castigo for asesinato of the young peruvian, but the motibo for declara his self culpable is for look at if the can achieve one castigo less high.

van der sloot his advocate in corte owing to tell cu joran owing to kill stephany door of one trauma psicologico extremo.

the will owing to abide of all the circunstancia y hechonan relaciona cu the caso of desaparicion of natalee holloway for of aruba at 2005.

fiscalnan owing to exigi one castigo of 30 year for asesinato of first categoria, while cu defence of joran is boga but homicidio, of cual the castigo minimo is 5 year.

joran just after cu past owing to worde deteni owing to tell cu past owing to kill stephany door cu past owing to angry hour cu the child muher in laptop of joran owing to descubri the conexion of joran in desaparicion of natalee holoway. fiscalnan sinembargo owing to acusa the dutch of asesina stephany for can steal his coin for of dje.

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #569 on: January 12, 2012, 02:38:28 AM »

Let us keep in mind that none of us know who, or what exactly took Paulus out of the game of life.... ...Coincidence? I think not! Urines life is ticking and tocking on a clock he has no control over. From reading a bit about history, politics, international relations, treaties, human rights, and many other things this past year or two, the one thing I've learned is that JUSTICE in cases such as Urines, take time................. It will come when we least expect it......


JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED FOR ALL INVOLVED

URINE AND THE LEPRECHAUNS WILL MEET THEIR MAKER

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« Reply #570 on: January 12, 2012, 02:39:02 AM »

http://www.diario.aw/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-a-declara-su-mes-culpable-di-mata-stephany-flores/

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #571 on: January 12, 2012, 02:41:58 AM »

I wanted to thank everyone for their pictures and links today.  I don't have much time to read and reading your comments helps.

Magnolia, I find it very ironic that Natalee's hearing to be declared dead is the day before the monster gets sentenced.


I do too, San.   The hearing is at 9:30AM, CST in the Jefferson County Courthouse, in Birmingham.
I think it is a sad day to declare Natalee dead for $2,000.

I do too.  Hopefully there is something behind all of this.

I think it's a legal move. If Natalee is declared dead, then it opens the possibility to go after Joran for her murder whereas no body no crime.


I really hope that is the case.   According to CBS 42 in Birmingham, Dave said that he is ready to put Natalee's
death behind him and move on with his life.  He also said that he wants to give Matt a $2000 college fund that he had for Natalee and he wanted to be able to quit paying her health insurance.
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« Reply #572 on: January 12, 2012, 02:46:36 AM »

I'm glad Beth will never forgive him, too - same as you CBB.  It would be fruitless.

Joran is incapable of accepting any 'gift'. Gift of forgiveness, sympathy, common sense, 3 Musketeer candy bars, etc.

He is a big dumb animal.

However, isn't interesting that even animals have more common sense than Joran?

Walking my chihuahua yesterday... after she finished her business, she did what she always does. She, in typical chihuahua ladylike fashion, kicked the dirt about 4-6 times to cover up the mess.

She never had to go to school for the knowledge. I never hired a doggie guru to come and teach her how. She just knows, it's a good idea. It's what you do. Being tidy makes sense to her.

Joran creates a mess everywhere he goes - with everything he touches. He is clueless. He couldn't clean up after himself, even if he tried.

He's been to school. He's been to prison, with endless chances handed to him for rehabilitation. Still nothing.

It will never change. He's an empty pit.

Rarely do I say another human being is worthless, I always try to find something to like, but with Joran, the effort is futile. Joran actually is devoid of all value.

My chihuahua has a brain about the size of my thumb. Joran has a brain roughly the size of a milk jug - as you can see, it is encased in his thick cro-magnon man sized head.

I guess it's true what they say; 'size is not important'
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« Reply #573 on: January 12, 2012, 02:59:16 AM »

I'm sure Natalee would have been an awesome college student, IF she'd made it home from her HS graduation trip to Aruba...

And I don't see Joran getting "authorized leave" from prison either...they don't offer that for psychopaths.  They are considered a danger to their citizens.

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #574 on: January 12, 2012, 03:05:52 AM »

http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/joran-por-fabor-basha-abao-pa-caba/



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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #575 on: January 12, 2012, 03:09:04 AM »

Good night all!   

Justice for Natalee and Stephany!   ::justice2NJ::

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #576 on: January 12, 2012, 03:11:30 AM »

Good night all!   

Justice for Natalee and Stephany!   ::justice2NJ::




good night texasmom.... and thanks for all the cool pictures! I always enjoy them.
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« Reply #577 on: January 12, 2012, 03:40:11 AM »

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« Reply #578 on: January 12, 2012, 05:49:55 AM »

Woke in the middle of the night and could not quit reflecting back over the last 6 years! So where do I go for comfort? To my dear Scared Monkey friends! Been a long monks! Thanks for always being here and standing for Natalee and Stephany! Kind of fitting Joran is facing all of this alone...nobody to bail him out this time! Hoping for a at least a 20 year sentence!  Nite and love you guys!
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« Reply #579 on: January 12, 2012, 07:20:36 AM »

Good morning Cuz!  We never left the case.  Dude will never be free.  Look at him - he looks like crap.  Skin is awful - he looks like a much older man.  He smirks like the devil he is.  Those 3 women can't help but see it.  Bama justice standing by.  He will never have a life.  And he has earned this.  We are with you always Cuz.  Hugs, Bean
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