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Author Topic: Lisa Irwin #4 10/21/11 - 10/27/11  (Read 281754 times)
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« Reply #120 on: October 21, 2011, 09:40:54 PM »

This reaffirms for me the travesty of justice in the Caylee Anthony case.  Now everyone thinks they can get a way with it.   

ITA..in the past three years we have seen more parents and so called caregivers try to hide/cover the fact they had abised and murdered their child..and they get more bizarre as we go along..each seems to gather momentum and tacitics from the last..

FTLOG..please people..if yoou do not want to parent anylonger take your child to a safe place/shelter and give them up..there are people who will take them in and care for them..there are families waiting to adopt children..why oh why when you can give birth doesn't it come with a heart.
I been saying the same thing lately if you have a child that you do not want to be a parent to then please please put it up for adoption I dont care if its a newborn to 18 yrs old. But stop killing them to get money from movie deals donations from organizations etc
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« Reply #121 on: October 21, 2011, 09:41:24 PM »

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Re: Lisa Irwin #4 10/21/11 -
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What is the brothers alibi from the time the neighbors saw a man carrying a baby and when the guy on the motorcycle saw what appeared to be the same guy with a baby. Seems to me if there were someone out there innocently walking with their baby at that same time that they would have already spoken up. It also seems to me that they would want to tell the world that he was just out walking his baby. Would made for a good news story.Very suspicious that the man has not spoken up.If the man on the cycle can recognize him then why don't police show him the brothers photo??

Does anyone else think it's strange that this man walking with a baby has not spoken up yet? If it was just an innocent walk then there would be no reason not to speak up.
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« Reply #122 on: October 21, 2011, 09:43:08 PM »

I would think that a baby in 45 degree temp without clothes on would be crying
I would think so too and a sick freezing cold baby

Let's not forget sick and with a stranger?
Yes or brother or lover ??
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« Reply #123 on: October 21, 2011, 09:46:36 PM »

I would think that a baby in 45 degree temp without clothes on would be crying
I would think so too and a sick freezing cold baby

Ok it is a possibility that it was Lisa and wouldnt be so far fetched of a thought, that all 3 w
itnesses claimed to seen a man walk with a baby only in a diaper. That man could of been the brother or bother's friend just walking so someone could get a look at the scene of a guy walking with a baby. I just dont believe if Lisa had been kidnapped that the kidnapper would walk in the middle of the night he might walk down the road get in a unmarked car but to walk a few miles is crazy
Unless he was going to the woods to bury her?
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« Reply #124 on: October 21, 2011, 09:49:10 PM »

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« Reply #125 on: October 21, 2011, 09:49:19 PM »

I would think that a baby in 45 degree temp without clothes on would be crying
I would think so too and a sick freezing cold baby

Ok it is a possibility that it was Lisa and wouldnt be so far fetched of a thought, that all 3 witnesses claimed to seen a man walk with a baby only in a diaper. That man could of been the brother or bother's friend just walking so someone could get a look at the scene of a guy walking with a baby. I just dont believe if Lisa had been kidnapped that the kidnapper would walk in the middle of the night he might walk down the road get in a unmarked car but to walk a few miles is crazy

Could this guy been actually walking to his car that was parked a few blocks away from Lisa's house?
Then he drove and parked and walked a ways away from his car??

That spot at 4:30am the cops should take dogs there..
 

How does that scenerio fir in with a cadaver dog hitting in the parent's bedroom..no one else in the family is dead..and unless someone from a previous owner died in that room..then we are left with one result.
they were already setting the kidnapping story up and to do that they needed someone to walk different streets carrying the baby and hopefully a person or 2 would see them but wouldnt be close enough to give a description of the guy.
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« Reply #126 on: October 21, 2011, 09:51:08 PM »

Wonder if they can get the time of death by dna evidence from the home? If so how it will fit with the timeline of the man walking w the baby w dangly arm leg. I think debbies older brother fits that description? Not saying he did it but if his phone txt hers maybe ..
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« Reply #127 on: October 21, 2011, 09:51:20 PM »



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« Reply #128 on: October 21, 2011, 09:51:30 PM »

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« Reply #98 on: October 22, 2011, 12:04:44 AM »
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What is the brothers alibi from the time the neighbors saw a man carrying a baby and when the guy on the motorcycle saw what appeared to be the same guy with a baby. Seems to me if there were someone out there innocently walking with their baby at that same time that they would have already spoken up. It also seems to me that they would want to tell the world that he was just out walking his baby. Would made for a good news story.Very suspicious that the man has not spoken up.If the man on the cycle can recognize him then why don't police show him the brothers photo??
Does anyone else think it's strange that this man walking with a baby has not spoken up yet? If it was just an innocent walk then there would be no reason not to speak up.
I agree - if it was innocent then say so; it is like a scene out of Raising Arizona
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« Reply #129 on: October 21, 2011, 09:51:31 PM »

Sounds possible.
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« Reply #130 on: October 21, 2011, 09:53:02 PM »

Reminds me of statements Tacopina has made in the past about the innocence of his client Joran van der Sloot.  Also reminds me of the statements by Baez and the Anthony's early on in the Caylee Anthony case before Caylee's body was found.

In other words, that statement by the attorneys for Lisa's parents is worth less than the paper it's written on, IMO.

 
It's almost a form letter for defense attys in a high profile case. Lay out how helpful the family has been, state that all the suspect(s) want is the safe return of the missing and lastly, blame the police for not being fair.
 
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« Reply #131 on: October 21, 2011, 09:58:29 PM »

ITA it is strange that the guy in question hasnt opened his mouth yet.
Thats why I say that it might of been the brother or friend carrying Lisa after Lisa was "killed",
Another thing that is strange is there was no pictures of baby Lisa after she turned around 8 months old, why bring out pictures of a 3 to 6 month old, babies change from day to day.













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« Reply #132 on: October 21, 2011, 10:00:05 PM »

Serenity - would you please just hit  quote or reply when you post?  Thanks!   
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« Reply #133 on: October 21, 2011, 10:05:18 PM »

Reminds me of statements Tacopina has made in the past about the innocence of his client Joran van der Sloot.  Also reminds me of the statements by Baez and the Anthony's early on in the Caylee Anthony case before Caylee's body was found.

In other words, that statement by the attorneys for Lisa's parents is worth less than the paper it's written on, IMO.

 
It's almost a form letter for defense attys in a high profile case. Lay out how helpful the family has been, state that all the suspect(s) want is the safe return of the missing and lastly, blame the police for not being fair.
 


Well, they were cooperative. Sort of. Look why LE needed the search warrant:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12213.msg1480448#msg1480448
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-cadaver-dogs-detect-smell-deceased/story?id=14786129
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The court document also indicated that Lisa's parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, restricted police access to the home.

"The only areas extensively processed for DNA and fingerprints during the consent were the baby's bedroom and possible points of entry," the document states.

"The extent of the search had been limited in nature with consent" of the parents, police stated in the request for the search warrant.

The cadaver dog that searched the home on Oct. 17 with the parents' agreement "indicated a positive 'hit' for the scent of a deceased human in an area of the floor of Bradley's bedroom near the bed," the affidavit stated. The consistency and accuracy of cadaver dogs has been challenged in past cases.

The police request for the warrant said, "A more extensive and intrusive search needs to be completed at the property where the baby was last accounted."  ::snipping2::
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« Reply #134 on: October 21, 2011, 10:08:01 PM »

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/how-significant-is-k9-hit-in-irwin-case#ixzz1bTIoTsfO
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KANSAS CITY, Mo. - What does a “positive hit” by an FBI cadaver dog inside the home of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin mean for investigators?

Monday, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s parents, allowed an FBI K-9 evidence response dog inside the family’s home. That dog found something significant . According to a search warrant request, the dog indicated a “positive hit for the scent of a deceased human in an area of the floor of Bradley’s bedroom near the bed.”

“The dogs are, in most cases, they’re very, very accurate at what they uncover, whether it’s a body, the scent of a decomposing body, whether it’s a live scent of a person,” said Jeff Lanza, a retired FBI agent. “(The dogs) are very accurate in uncovering those things.”

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/how-significant-is-k9-hit-in-irwin-case#ixzz1bTKvwxGh

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« Reply #135 on: October 21, 2011, 10:11:13 PM »

Exactly, Muffy! 

Thanks, Miss Bee!
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« Reply #136 on: October 21, 2011, 10:36:40 PM »

NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/10/21/disappearance-and-deception-turns-to-decomposition-dogs-smell-death-at-lisa-irwins-home/

Disappearance And Deception Turns To Decomposition: Dogs Smell Death at Lisa Irwin’s Home
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« Reply #137 on: October 21, 2011, 10:37:36 PM »

Wonder if they can get the time of death by dna evidence from the home? If so how it will fit with the timeline of the man walking w the baby w dangly arm leg. I think debbies older brother fits that description? Not saying he did it but if his phone txt hers maybe ..

I thought the baby might be dead (the one not crying at 4 am in the cold in a diaper) and when I heard the descritption it reminded me of when I was 14, the 10 mos old I baby sat was killed when a stroller hit his car, when we arrived at the seen the paramedics were picking him up and I knew he was dead, he was limp and his legs were dangling.....that story made my mind go back 27 yrs and the first thought in my head was, dead baby Sad Or, drugged BIG time...
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« Reply #138 on: October 21, 2011, 10:41:11 PM »

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Disappearance And Deception Turns To Decomposition: Dogs Smell Death at Lisa Irwin’s Home


Thanks Klaas - facinating and devistating; Poor baby Lisa
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« Reply #139 on: October 21, 2011, 10:43:11 PM »

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Re: Lisa Irwin #4 10/21/11 -
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What is the brothers alibi from the time the neighbors saw a man carrying a baby and when the guy on the motorcycle saw what appeared to be the same guy with a baby. Seems to me if there were someone out there innocently walking with their baby at that same time that they would have already spoken up. It also seems to me that they would want to tell the world that he was just out walking his baby. Would made for a good news story.Very suspicious that the man has not spoken up.If the man on the cycle can recognize him then why don't police show him the brothers photo??

Does anyone else think it's strange that this man walking with a baby has not spoken up yet? If it was just an innocent walk then there would be no reason not to speak up.
It can't be ruled out that this was a fake story.
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