Lisa Irwin #4 10/21/11 - 10/27/11

[higherhopes]

OK...IM  gonna ask this question again and seen  if anyone can help me with the answer to it,......Its something that has been bugging me for a few days!!!!!!!!

   Now in  one of the interviews  JI says that when he left to go to work on his side job that night he told DB that he would be home around 10 or so.......The job was tricky and it took him longer then he thought, but he couldnt call her to tell her he was gonna be late because the phones had been deactivated due to non payment.....ok.........then he arrived home and when he found out baby Lisa was missing  he called 911 and reported the break in and the baby missing..............Now.......how did he call 911 since when he arrived home the phones were already stolen and if they had a house phone he would have been able to call home from his job at starbucks to tell DB he was gonna be working late.....???????

[labubske]

Starshadow = gone as in banned.  Attitude is everything.

  I swear you are FAST!!!! I should have known you were on it before wasting my time on a rebuttal.

That was the fastest slam dunk/drop kick I've seen.
Go going Klaass.....

Thank you Klaas. 

[stayhomemommy]

Starshadow = gone as in banned.  Attitude is everything.

Thank you!

[MuffyBee]

OK...IM  gonna ask this question again and seen  if anyone can help me with the answer to it,......Its something that has been bugging me for a few days!!!!!!!!

   Now in  one of the interviews  JI says that when he left to go to work on his side job that night he told DB that he would be home around 10 or so.......The job was tricky and it took him longer then he thought, but he couldnt call her to tell her he was gonna be late because the phones had been deactivated due to non payment.....ok.........then he arrived home and when he found out baby Lisa was missing  he called 911 and reported the break in and the baby missing..............Now.......how did he call 911 since when he arrived home the phones were already stolen and if they had a house phone he would have been able to call home from his job at starbucks to tell DB he was gonna be working late.....???????

HH - he used his work cell phone that was in his pocket. 

[labubske]

OK...IM  gonna ask this question again and seen  if anyone can help me with the answer to it,......Its something that has been bugging me for a few days!!!!!!!!

   Now in  one of the interviews  JI says that when he left to go to work on his side job that night he told DB that he would be home around 10 or so.......The job was tricky and it took him longer then he thought, but he couldnt call her to tell her he was gonna be late because the phones had been deactivated due to non payment.....ok.........then he arrived home and when he found out baby Lisa was missing  he called 911 and reported the break in and the baby missing..............Now.......how did he call 911 since when he arrived home the phones were already stolen and if they had a house phone he would have been able to call home from his job at starbucks to tell DB he was gonna be working late.....???????

I have to go and find the actual quote...but he said that he realized that he had his work phone in his pocket when he felt in it.

[Catbert]

OK...IM  gonna ask this question again and seen  if anyone can help me with the answer to it,......Its something that has been bugging me for a few days!!!!!!!!

   Now in  one of the interviews  JI says that when he left to go to work on his side job that night he told DB that he would be home around 10 or so.......The job was tricky and it took him longer then he thought, but he couldnt call her to tell her he was gonna be late because the phones had been deactivated due to non payment.....ok.........then he arrived home and when he found out baby Lisa was missing  he called 911 and reported the break in and the baby missing..............Now.......how did he call 911 since when he arrived home the phones were already stolen and if they had a house phone he would have been able to call home from his job at starbucks to tell DB he was gonna be working late.....???????

HH - he used his work cell phone that was in his pocket. 

I read he used a barrowed phone - I have wondered this too.  If he had a work phone he could have called home  it just gets more spooky each peel of the onion

[cookie]

Starshadow = gone as in banned.  Attitude is everything.

Thank you!

 

[fatcatlurker]

Hi
DB keeps saying she put Lisa to bed because she was fussy...never known a fussy baby to go to bed and rest..she may have overdosed Lisa on something to calm her jmo

She did say somewhere...in some interview that she went back in Lisa's bedroom once more shortly after putting her down and she was standing up in the bed.  She said she laid her back down and went out.  Also there was some stuff about giving her a bottle.

[Gypsy DD]

Hi
DB keeps saying she put Lisa to bed because she was fussy...never known a fussy baby to go to bed and rest..she may have overdosed Lisa on something to calm her jmo

ITA..a fussy two, three or four year old needs a nap or bedtime..after a calming bath and snack and story..a fussy infant..and in my mind an 11 month old is an infant..needs to be held, walked the floors with, fed, changed, you name it until they calm enough to sleep..but that was just my experience with infants.

[higherhopes]

OK...IM  gonna ask this question again and seen  if anyone can help me with the answer to it,......Its something that has been bugging me for a few days!!!!!!!!

   Now in  one of the interviews  JI says that when he left to go to work on his side job that night he told DB that he would be home around 10 or so.......The job was tricky and it took him longer then he thought, but he couldnt call her to tell her he was gonna be late because the phones had been deactivated due to non payment.....ok.........then he arrived home and when he found out baby Lisa was missing  he called 911 and reported the break in and the baby missing..............Now.......how did he call 911 since when he arrived home the phones were already stolen and if they had a house phone he would have been able to call home from his job at starbucks to tell DB he was gonna be working late.....???????

HH - he used his work cell phone that was in his pocket. 

ohhh...ok......I hadnt heard that part and was just wondering what the heck........and now that brings me to another question that cant be answered and that is........IF I was the one with a working phone and the Mother of my children didnt drive and was home alone with a sick baby late at night without a phone and I knew I was gonna be somewhere where there was a phone would I leave the one phone that was working at home with her????  hmmm.....I understand that it was a work phone but still......just in case of an emergency, I think I would have left it with her........this job he was on was only a side job, not the job that he carried his work phone for and I would think I would leave it there just in case!!

[Tamikosmom]

When both the 12:15 AM and 04:00 AM sightings of a man carrying a baby are considered as well as when the aligning descriptions are considered ... I speculate that Jeremy may have been contacted at work by Debbie after baby Lisa met her demise.  He returned home immediately and ... a distraught Jeremy walked the streets with his baby daughter attempting to figure out what to do.  Meanwhile ... Debbie disappeared the cell phones in an attempt keep that contact with Jeremy from being revealed.

Considering the fuzzy image of a male in the 02:30 AM gas station security video appears to be wearing white pants and no baby is revealed ... could it be that this sighting may not be case relevant?

Janet

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12:15 AM

NANCY GRACE
Aired October 24, 2011 - 20:00   ET

<snipped>

VELEZ-MITCHELL:  ... Lisa, you claim you saw a man with the baby that night. Are you sure it was a man?

LISA, WITNESS WHO CLAIMS SHE SAW MAN WITH INFANT RESEMBLING BABY LISA: Yes, I am positive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is correct. You have no doubts that it was a man? How can you be so sure?

LISA: Yes. Correct. Based on the lighting. When it reflected off of the gentleman`s head, there was no long hair. To us it appeared as if the gentleman had a bald head.

<snipped>

LISA: The cops did offer to make a sketch for us. However, we didn`t have clear facial features to give them. We were able to describe the man, he was very slender. He was a tall gentleman. He was probably six-foot tall, maybe 5`8" to six-feet tall. So he was a really tall gentleman and he was very, very slender. He was wearing a white T-shirt and some sweat pants.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/24/ng.01.html


2:30 AM

Missing Baby Lisa Irwin: New Surveillance Footage Shows Man Leaving Woods [VIDEO]
October 24, 2011 4:42 PM EDT

<snipped>

Surveillance footage of a mystery man leaving a wooded area on the night of baby Lisa Irwin's alleged disappearance nearly three weeks ago was located at a gas station in Kansas City near Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin's home. The security camera shows a man dressed in white leaving the woods at 2:30 a.m. just two miles from baby Lisa's home.

<snipped>

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/236715/20111024/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-deborah-bradley-jeremy-mystery-man-kansas-city-missouri-cadaver-dog-surveill.htm


04:00 AM

Witnesses Claim They Saw Man Carrying Missing Baby Lisa
Updated: Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 10:27 AM CDT
Published : Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 10:25 AM CDT

(NewsCore) - Three Kansas City residents said Friday that they saw a suspicious man walking the streets with an infant on the night that 11-month-old Lisa Irwin disappeared.

Mike Thompson told ABC's "Good Morning America" that he was heading home on his motorcycle around 4:00am when he noticed the man, who was dressed in a T-shirt, on a street near Baby Lisa's home.

"[It was] 4 o'clock in the morning, 45 degrees, the baby don't have a blanket or coat or nothin', and this guy's walking down the street," Thompson said. "I thought it was kind of weird."

Thompson claimed the infant -- who was only wearing a diaper -- resembled Baby Lisa and said that he would recognize the man if he saw him again.

He said he waited about a week to report the sighting to police because he did not immediately make the connection to Baby Lisa's disappearance.

<snipped>

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpps/news/baby-lisa-witnesses-speak-dpgonc-20111021-fc_15585422

But Janet..don't LE say that they did not need him to do a lie detector test because they have videao of him being at Starbucks working at the times he said he was there working?  That means the timeline he gave them checks out with the video footage of when he says he arrived at the job and left the job.

If so that would mean that he was accounted for during those hours of her going missing  and the the timeframe when people saw a man walking holding a baby.

I do not think that was him..and I do not think he had anything to do with this.

I do still suspect the Mom..and I wonder about the phone call she made..I guess LE know who received that call at 2:30 am.

Not that I have read Gypsy.  However ... I could have missed it.

I would appreciate if someone could provide me with a link to an online article or direct quote from investigators/Debbie/Jeremy  which states that Jeremy was captured on workplace security video on the night baby Lisa went missing.

Janet

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Mom of missing tot says she took lie detector test
updated 10/7/2011 12:20:45 PM ET 2011-10-07T16:20:45
 
<snipped>

Kansas City police spokesman Steve Young has declined to comment on any polygraph tests, citing the ongoing investigation.

Lisa's father, Jeremy Irwin, says he has offered to take a lie detector test, but that police say that's not necessary.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44811370/ns/local_news-wichita_ks/t/mom-missing-tot-says-she-took-lie-detector-test/
 

[pharlap]

Ok, since there home phones they couldn't use because of nonpayment.
However Deb had enough money to buy wine.  What 10-12 dollars?

With kids in the home, why wouldn't they just buy like a throw away one, 20.00 with I think 100 minutes and just use it for emergencies? And/or buy cards for the cells they have....
 

[klaasend]

Starshadow = gone as in banned.  Attitude is everything.

  I swear you are FAST!!!! I should have known you were on it before wasting my time on a rebuttal.

That was the fastest slam dunk/drop kick I've seen.
Go going Klaass.....

Muffy lets me know when someone is "out of line".  Muffy is quick to let me know and I'm quick on the trigger.   

[KittyMom]

Has anyone seen Lisa's car seat?  She's under a year old so she'd still be required to be in a backward facing seat.  I know with my kids, it was easier to take the seat into the house with me than to try to get the baby into the seat while it was snapped into its base in the back of the car.  So, did LE find the seat in the car or was the seat in the house?

[KittyMom]

Starshadow = gone as in banned.  Attitude is everything.

  I swear you are FAST!!!! I should have known you were on it before wasting my time on a rebuttal.

That was the fastest slam dunk/drop kick I've seen.
Go going Klaass.....

Muffy lets me know when someone is "out of line".  Muffy is quick to let me know and I'm quick on the trigger.   

When that poster first appeared and was so pro DB I wondered if it was one of her brothers or her dad.

[Tamikosmom]

It appears that Mike Thompson identified Jeremy as the person he observed at 04:00 AM in the morning carrying a baby.

Janet

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Baby Lisa Witness Re-Interviewed Witness claims he saw a man walking with a baby the night Lisa Irwin vanished.
02:47 | 10/25/2011

Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisa-police-interview-key-witness-14808369

[Tamikosmom]

It appears that neighbour "Lisa" may be describing Jeremy Irwin as the person she and husband observed at 2:15 AM walking down the street with a baby.

Janet

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NANCY GRACE
Aired October 24, 2011 - 20:00   ET

<snipped>

VELEZ-MITCHELL:  ... Lisa, you claim you saw a man with the baby that night. Are you sure it was a man?

LISA, WITNESS WHO CLAIMS SHE SAW MAN WITH INFANT RESEMBLING BABY LISA: Yes, I am positive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is correct. You have no doubts that it was a man? How can you be so sure?

LISA: Yes. Correct. Based on the lighting. When it reflected off of the gentleman`s head, there was no long hair. To us it appeared as if the gentleman had a bald head.

<snipped>

LISA: The cops did offer to make a sketch for us. However, we didn`t have clear facial features to give them. We were able to describe the man, he was very slender. He was a tall gentleman. He was probably six-foot tall, maybe 5`8" to six-feet tall. So he was a really tall gentleman and he was very, very slender. He was wearing a white T-shirt and some sweat pants.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/24/ng.01.html

[Tamikosmom]

 

[pharlap]

Has anyone seen Lisa's car seat?  She's under a year old so she'd still be required to be in a backward facing seat.  I know with my kids, it was easier to take the seat into the house with me than to try to get the baby into the seat while it was snapped into its base in the back of the car.  So, did LE find the seat in the car or was the seat in the house?

The car seat was in one of the past pictures on here I believe.
 

[fatcatlurker]

It appears that Mike Thompson identified Jeremy as the person he observed at 04:00 AM in the morning carrying a baby.

Janet

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Baby Lisa Witness Re-Interviewed Witness claims he saw a man walking with a baby the night Lisa Irwin vanished.
02:47 | 10/25/2011

Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisa-police-interview-key-witness-14808369

This witness is saying Jersey...the couple three houses down describes tall, slender and bald(JI).
Mike Thompson is riding a motorcycle when he saw the guy with the baby.  Jersey is known to One-eyed Jacks the local biker bar(which is located behind the gas station btw), waited a week to tell LE about what he saw and states the one he picked was the one that LE was showing pictures of....  not sure I believe this witness.