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Topic: Lisa Irwin #4 10/21/11 - 10/27/11 (Read 425777 times)
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Re: Lisa Irwin #4 10/21/11 -
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-family-attorney-questions-massive/story?id=14802367
Missing Baby Lisa: Family Attorney Questions 'Massive, Public' Search
By CHRISTINA NG
Oct. 24, 2011
An attorney for the family of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin questioned the motivations behind what she called the "enormous, massive, public" search of the family's Missouri home.
"It almost seemed as if that was more for the public's benefit than for the benefit of doing a thorough search of this house," attorney Cyndy Short told "Good Morning America."
"It was interesting to watch the activity outside of this house when they were conducting the search. There were so many crime scene people that were seen outside, and seen coming in and out of this house…carrying a rolled up rug," Short said. "It really gave the impression that there was a lot going to be removed from this house."
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The six items removed from the home were a multicolored comforter, purple shorts, a Disney character shirt, a glow worm toy, a Cars-themed blanket, rolls of tape and a tape dispenser.
"The search itself lasted 17 hours. That's a very long time, and would suggest a very thorough search. But now having been in the house and seen how many items they took out of the house, it's frankly surprising," Short said.
Though suspicions have surrounded Lisa's parents, surveillance video footage obtained by ABC News over the weekend also fueled speculation that the toddler was snatched from her crib by a stranger.
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Re: Lisa Irwin #4 10/21/11 -
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FRAACIA WINE IN A BOX
"Deborah also said Monday that she’d had between five and 10 glasses of wine and that she was drunk the night Baby Lisa vanished"
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/baby-lisa-irwin-missing-developments-case-have-people-jumping-to-conclusions
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Re: Lisa Irwin #4 10/21/11 -
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http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-eyewitnesses-speak-14785603
Missing Baby Lisa Irwin: Eyewitnesses Speak Out
Two people claim that they saw a man carrying a baby in the middle of the night.
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BonyenKCTV5 Bonyen Lee
As Deborah Bradley walks into house I asked her why she hasn't done local interviews. She said "because we're grieving". #LisaIrwin
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http://twitter.com/#!/BonyenKCTV5
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Re: Lisa Irwin #4 10/21/11 -
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http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/24/video-megyn-kelly-reveals-copy-of-police-search-warrant-for-irwins-home-in-case-of-missing-baby-lisa/
1:26 pm ET October 24, 2011
VIDEO: Megyn Kelly Reveals Copy of Police Search Warrant for Irwins’ Home in Case of Missing Baby Lisa
by America Live Posted in: America Live, Deborah Bradley, Jeremy Irwin, Lisa Irwin, Megyn Kelly, Missing Missouri Baby
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Quote from: flutter1 on October 24, 2011, 11:35:48 AM
Quote from: KittyMom on October 24, 2011, 08:56:29 AM
I vaguely remember a case with a missing child where the mom had a makeover afterward. It seemed extremely inappropriate then. It's the same now. Who would be thinking of doing her hair at a time like this. Frankly, I don't think I'd be taking the time to bathe much less sit and let someone do my hair.
I am thinking of Misty Croslin Cummins and her "granny." I don't know how long Misty's lasted after she quit getting the networks to pay for her interview "look". She has definitely lost it now after being in jail for a year, but look what she has gained!
Now all we need is a report that DB and JI are going get married in the front yard because it is what "Lisa" would want.......
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Re: Lisa Irwin #4 10/21/11 -
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Quote from: Kermit on October 24, 2011, 01:18:46 PM
FRAACIA WINE IN A BOX
"Deborah also said Monday that she’d had between five and 10 glasses of wine and that she was drunk the night Baby Lisa vanished"
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/baby-lisa-irwin-missing-developments-case-have-people-jumping-to-conclusions
For those who haven't done the math - one liter equals 34 ounces, so a box is around 100 ounces. A glass of wine can vary by the type of vessel used to drink, but the standard is between 4 and 6 ounces. If we take the middle of that, say 5 ounces per glass, and she drank 10 glasses, that is 50 ounces consumed, or half the box.
Even in my younger days when I drank regularly and robustly, five glasses of wine would have me past the point of functional impairment.
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Re: Lisa Irwin #4 10/21/11 -
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Quote from: KittyMom on October 24, 2011, 08:56:29 AM
I vaguely remember a case with a missing child where the mom had a makeover afterward. It seemed extremely inappropriate then. It's the same now. Who would be thinking of doing her hair at a time like this. Frankly, I don't think I'd be taking the time to bathe much less sit and let someone do my hair.
I am thinking of Misty Croslin Cummins and her "granny." I don't know how long Misty's lasted after she quit getting the networks to pay for her interview "look". She has definitely lost it now after being in jail for a year, but look what she has gained!
cartfly you crack me up !
Now all we need is a report that DB and JI are going get married in the front yard because it is what "Lisa" would want.......
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Re: Lisa Irwin #4 10/21/11 -
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Quote from: cartfly on October 24, 2011, 02:17:11 PM
Quote from: flutter1 on October 24, 2011, 11:35:48 AM
Quote from: KittyMom on October 24, 2011, 08:56:29 AM
I vaguely remember a case with a missing child where the mom had a makeover afterward. It seemed extremely inappropriate then. It's the same now. Who would be thinking of doing her hair at a time like this. Frankly, I don't think I'd be taking the time to bathe much less sit and let someone do my hair.
I am thinking of Misty Croslin Cummins and her "granny." I don't know how long Misty's lasted after she quit getting the networks to pay for her interview "look". She has definitely lost it now after being in jail for a year, but look what she has gained!
cartfly you crack me up !
Now all we need is a report that DB and JI are going get married in the front yard because it is what "Lisa" would want.......
oops got in your box !....cartfly you crack me up!
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Quote from: trimmonthelake on October 24, 2011, 01:34:42 PM
BonyenKCTV5 Bonyen Lee
As Deborah Bradley walks into house I asked her why she hasn't done local interviews. She said "because we're grieving". #LisaIrwin
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Following the Megyn Kelly interview ... Joe Tacopina stated that there would be no more interviews for the time being.
Considering Tacopina revealed that he had been in contact with Debbie and Jeremy in the past week ... it can be assumed that he was aware that the drinking binge was going to be revealed in that interview.
Was Debbie's admission all a strategy to establish a defence.
Janet
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Debbie Blacked Out?
FULL INTERVIEW: Megyn Kelly Presses Parents of Baby Lisa Irwin on Disappearance, Asks If They ‘Sold or Killed’ Their Daughter
October 17, 2011
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In part one of Megyn Kelly’s incredibly revealing interview, Deborah Bradley admitted to being drunk after consuming “several” glasses of wine on the night that Lisa disappeared. Bradley acknowledged that she drinks a couple of nights a week after putting her children to bed, saying, “I don’t see the problem with me having grown up time.”
While she conceded that it was a possibility that she blacked out, Bradley doesn’t believe she did anything to harm her baby
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http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/17/full-interview-megyn-kelly-presses-parents-of-baby-lisa-irwin-on-disappearance-asks-if-they-sold-or-killed-their-daughter/
One Week Contact
Holloway Suspect's Ex-Attorney Agress to Represent Missing Missouri Baby's Parents
By Marla Cichowski
Published October 17, 2011
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Tacopina said he's been in contact with Lisa's parents over the phone since last week.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/17/holloway-suspect-former-attorney-takes-case-missing-missouri-babys-parents/#ixzz1b67Ha4t8
No More Interviews
Baby Lisa's Parents Get Top Defense Lawyer Joe Tacopina
Oct. 17, 2011
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Tacopina said that the couple will not be doing any more television or radio interviews for the time being. He expressed his belief that the focus needs to stay on finding Lisa.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-top-defense-attorney-representing-parents/story?id=14752818
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http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lawyer-gas-station-video-could-be-key-to-baby-lisa-case-20111024,0,1376988.story
Lawyer: Gas Station Video Could be Key to Baby Lisa Case
Kathy Quinn, edited by Jason Vaughn
1:17 p.m. CDT, October 24, 2011
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"I think the BP video by itself doesn't mean a lot, but it means something when you look at the context of the sighting of the man with the baby, the location of those sighting and the dumpster fire - apparently a resident of that complex saw a man standing by the dumpster," said Short.
Short says while stranger abductions are rare, that's what she thinks has taken place in this case.
"That video is important and possibly relevant when you put all of those things together. By itself not so much, but together it may mean something big," said Short.
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Quote from: flutter1 on October 24, 2011, 11:35:48 AM
Quote from: KittyMom on October 24, 2011, 08:56:29 AM
I vaguely remember a case with a missing child where the mom had a makeover afterward. It seemed extremely inappropriate then. It's the same now. Who would be thinking of doing her hair at a time like this. Frankly, I don't think I'd be taking the time to bathe much less sit and let someone do my hair.
I am thinking of Misty Croslin Cummins and her "granny." I don't know how long Misty's lasted after she quit getting the networks to pay for her interview "look". She has definitely lost it now after being in jail for a year, but look what she has gained!
Now all we need is a report that DB and JI are going get married in the front yard because it is what "Lisa" would want.......
OMG!
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DR. DREW
Aired October 19, 2011 - 21:00:00 ET
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PINSKY: ... I actually spoke with a member of Deborah`s family this week, and he - again, there`s all kinds of things circulating around out there. But just to report what I had been told by a family member, was that Lisa`s family has a long, long history of multiple generations of severe abuse, abandonment, neglect, and guess what alcoholism and drug addiction.
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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/19/ddhln.01.html
Babybear
I agree. Each of us ... not matter what our upbringing ... knows right from wrong and ... must take personal responsibility both spiritually and legally for our "choices" to do wrong.
However ... I also believe that children raised in an environment that respects the legal and moral boundaries established for the well-being of all are fortunate to be have been blessed with a foundation to derive wise lifestyle choices in later years.
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Quote from: Babybear on October 24, 2011, 11:53:39 AM
(Deuteronomy 24:16) - "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin."
(Ezekiel 18:20) - "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."
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I vaguely remember a case with a missing child where the mom had a makeover afterward. It seemed extremely inappropriate then. It's the same now. Who would be thinking of doing her hair at a time like this. Frankly, I don't think I'd be taking the time to bathe much less sit and let someone do my hair.
I am thinking of Misty Croslin Cummins and her "granny." I don't know how long Misty's lasted after she quit getting the networks to pay for her interview "look". She has definitely lost it now after being in jail for a year, but look what she has gained!
Now all we need is a report that DB and JI are going get married in the front yard because it is what "Lisa" would want.......
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Kansas City police are not commenting on surveillance video that shows a man walking out of the woods near the Irwin home. Read more:
www.kmbc.com
by Karen Yancey/Staff 2:04 PM
Read more:
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1bjDRRcoK
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Quote from: cartfly on October 24, 2011, 02:17:11 PM
Quote from: flutter1 on October 24, 2011, 11:35:48 AM
Quote from: KittyMom on October 24, 2011, 08:56:29 AM
I vaguely remember a case with a missing child where the mom had a makeover afterward. It seemed extremely inappropriate then. It's the same now. Who would be thinking of doing her hair at a time like this. Frankly, I don't think I'd be taking the time to bathe much less sit and let someone do my hair.
I am thinking of Misty Croslin Cummings and her "granny." I don't know how long Misty's lasted after she quit getting the networks to pay for her interview "look". She has definitely lost it now after being in jail for a year, but look what she has gained!
Now all we need is a report that DB and JI are going get married in the front yard because it is what "Lisa" would want.......
I also remember when Haleigh's mother, Crystal, got herself all dolled up with her hair done in ringlets. Crystal as I recall had her trailer decorated with marijuana plant hangings, whether real or artificial, I don't know. I did and do think it strange that Misty would be criticized for her makeover, but for some reason Crystal was untouchable by Misty's critics. They were all on drugs and one was no better than the other, IMO. But I guess it depends on your point of view and what one considers an acceptable lifestyle.
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Quote from: my2cents on October 24, 2011, 12:18:47 PM
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Quote from: my2cents on October 24, 2011, 11:50:11 AM
I have been following this case and I just wanted to ask is there anyone anywhere that saw Lisa alive after the father went to work ? Anyone that is not family? I have been thinking that if dad leaves for work around 5 ish each day that he must work the 2nd shift so that should mean that he is home during the day and the two boys would be at school leaving Jeremy and Deborah home with Lisa ...what if something happened to Lisa late Sunday night or even Monday during the day but they didn't report it immediatly. What if they just told the boys that Lisa was sick to be quiet and they had already gotten rid of her before the boys even came home from school? I would be very interested in knowing the whereabouts of both of them on monday during the day . Also a lot of electricians carry those large black canvas bags or if they are going to work a long shifrt they might take a large igloo cooler with lots of drinks and several meals. I would like to know if he was ever seen with anything like that ...Perhaps they bagged the baby and put her in one of those and he walked right out of the house with her then disposed of her on the way or even put her in the dumpster at the starbucks if he knew that the trash pick up would be by early that morning. I think I read that they did search the landfill but she is just so small seems that unless they used dogs there it owuld be hard to find her especially if she were concealed in something. So sad, just wished that we were privy to all of the info that PD has. God bless baby Lisa !
Apparently he doesn't "Leave at 5ish each day." He is a contract electrician and this was his first night time job. He worked during the period of time that Starbuck's was closed. The job took him longer than he thought it would. There is video of his working there during the time he said he did. God bless baby Lisa, indeed.
I gues a contract electrician would have hours that vary so his shift could be different every day and perhaps periods of time in between jobs with a few days off. I do not think that Starbucks closes at 5 o'clock at least ours does not so if he had to work there after they closed where was he until then? Maybe it was a new starbucks that had not opened for bussiness yet? Never the less it is my understanding that this was the first time that he worked into the early morning hours. Since he was on video the whole night that he was working I wonder did the video ever show him answering his cell phone or leaving in and/or out of the back door at anytime that night? Anyone coming up there to see him? So many questions .
Since LE said there was no need to polygraph Mr. Irwin since they had video of his being at work, one can reasonably assume that had there been any suspicious activity shown on his part, they would have given him a polygraph since he volunteered to take one.
Not necessarily. If LE has any hint JI is covering for his wife, they might not want that 'proven' so quickly and put him on the defensive. Their play would more likely be to wait and hope he tells what he knows.
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Quote from: trimmonthelake on October 24, 2011, 11:58:09 AM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15788106/local-attorney-we-might-not-get-the-happy-ending-that-we-want#.TqWI9bppw9U.twitter
Baby Lisa’s parents’ attorney losing hope
Posted: Oct 23, 2011 10:10 AM CDT Updated: Oct 24, 2011 9:29 AM CDT
Video at link.
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Short said that when she went into the house where baby Lisa went missing, she was stunned to find not much was actually taken or disturbed during the 17-hour search police conducted on Wednesday.
"There are no walls torn out. So whatever x-ray they did, did not confirm whatever it was that some dog thought it sniffed," said Short.
"My fear is that we have missed this critical time to find this baby," said Short. "It really breaks your heart that we have been looking in the wrong direction, and as a result of that we might not get the happy ending that we want. That is what I'm sad about."
Items listed in the search warrant return indicated police took a comforter, two pieces of baby clothing, a toy, a "Cars" themed blanket, rolls of tape, a tape dispenser and a large roll of carpet which Short said didn't even come from inside the house like everyone presumed.
"The carpet that was paraded in and out that we were allowed to see actually came from the shed at the back of the house, and it was not inside the house at all. There is no carpeting that was removed from any portion of the house," said Short.
Police said in the search warrant that an FBI cadaver dog hit on the scent of a deceased human in Deborah's bedroom on Monday, and that is why a more intrusive search of the house was needed.
But Short was surprised the floor in that room was not removed to isolate and further test that evidence.
Short said one of the unfortunate things about the investigation is that the family has been deprived of information.
"I went into the bedroom fully expecting that I would see certain portions of the carpet cut out, because if your scent is evidence, just like any other kind of evidence. So if you have that evidence, you cut it out, you collect it and you preserve it and you list it on your search warrant return. And you all have gotten a copy of that search warrant return so you know it's not there," said Short.
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The warrant says there was a hit in the bedroom near the bed ...it never says it was the carpet. It could have been something else like one of the articles removed from the house that was near the bed on the floor.
It does,however say "Floor." When one says floor, one usually means floor and not something on the floor, in which case it would say "Blanket (Or whatever) on floor near bed." It is an extremely salient point that a portion of the carpet was not cut out and taken. After all, whatever might have been on the floor (If not the carpet) was on the carpet and might have contaminated the carpet. I think it means what it says. "Floor."
I also think that LE is purposely attempting to turn the public against Deborah Bradley and doing an efficient job of it
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Re: Lisa Irwin #4 10/21/11 -
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BonyenKCTV5 Bonyen Lee
As Deborah Bradley walks into house I asked her why she hasn't done local interviews. She said "because we're grieving". #LisaIrwin
5 minutes ago
http://twitter.com/#!/BonyenKCTV5
That's pretty brazen. A man is seen with their baby by three witnesses after she is taken and they are 'grieving'?
They have no hope that she's still alive? Why not?
That said I do want to say with regards to hair and make up, there are many innocent mothers of missing children who still take care of their physical selves. Desiree Young, mother of Kyron Horman, comes to mind, but there are many others.
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BonyenKCTV5 Bonyen Lee
As Deborah Bradley walks into house I asked her why she hasn't done local interviews. She said "because we're grieving". #LisaIrwin
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http://twitter.com/#!/BonyenKCTV5
That's pretty brazen. A man is seen with their baby by three witnesses after she is taken and they are 'grieving'?
They have no hope that she's still alive? Why not?
That said I do want to say with regards to hair and make up, there are many innocent mothers of missing children who still take care of their physical selves. Desiree Young, mother of Kyron Horman, comes to mind, but there are many others.
IF
this is true, ya right why would you be
grieving
??
Keep on talking, here's a
Logged
CA = Albatross Oh no "the fog"
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