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« Reply #640 on: November 11, 2011, 02:20:05 PM »

omg...they say the pings were 1.3 miles from the home and headed towards the river....I think thats what they said, waiting for the video of the news to come out on you tube but I think thats what they said....also something about there 3 calls made to MW phone......wth,, RIVER.....poor baby Lisa, they might wanna start checking that river if this is true.,,
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« Reply #641 on: November 11, 2011, 02:24:22 PM »

Higherhopes, this is news to us, but not news to the LE.
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« Reply #642 on: November 11, 2011, 02:27:07 PM »

This case gets stranger and stranger.  Family attorney states police have called DB and JI suspects but the police deny this:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/11/missouri-baby-lisa-irwin-still-missing-on-first-birthday/
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John Picerno, one of the attorneys representing Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, said during a news conference that police told the couple they are suspects in their daughter's disappearance.
"Oh, they've told them as much…sure," Picerno said when questioned by a reporter about the matter. "Debbie in particular."

The Kansas City Police Department, however, was quick to refute the claim, telling Fox News that the parents have not been told they are suspects.
"We have no suspects in the case," Kansas City police spokeswoman Stacey Graves said in an email to FoxNews.com.
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It's hard to know who to believe.  I pray that baby Lisa is still alive and will be found soon so she can celebrate many more birthdays.  Today is my son's birthday and I have this irrational feeling of guilt that while he is celebrating his, she may not be celebrating hers.  It's a silly thought, I know, but as a mother I can't stop thinking about her...especially today.

Happy Birthday precious little Lisa.  I hope you're out there somewhere getting your first taste of birthday cake.   an angelic monkey
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« Reply #643 on: November 11, 2011, 02:27:25 PM »

I didn't watch the whole Megyn Kelly/Pacerno interview.  Did she ask him where the boys are now and if they have been returned to the parents?  Do we know the answer to that. 
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« Reply #644 on: November 11, 2011, 02:29:35 PM »

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-police-deny-attorneys-claim/story?id=14931954#.Tr11cPJU2uI
Missing Baby Lisa Irwin: Police and Parents Spar on Tot's Birthday 11/11/2011

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The parents of missing Missouri tot Lisa Irwin marked the girl's first birthday today by holding a news conference in which their lawyer claimed that police have indicated that they are suspects in Lisa's disappearance.

The police denied indicating to the parents that they are suspects, marking the latest round of sparring between the parents and police.

Lisa disappeared from her Missouri home on the night of Oct. 3 and her parents have maintained since then that the little girl was abducted from her crib.

When asked if he thought police consider parents Deborah Bradley, 25, and Jeremy Irwin, 29, suspects, criminal defense attorney John Picerno replied, "Absolutely. They've told them as much, Debbie in particular."

Picerno said he was "not at liberty" to elaborate further on the issue.

The Kansas City Police Department denies the claim that Bradley and Irwin are suspects.

"We don't have any suspects," Police Capt. Steve Young told ABCNews.com today. "We still would like to speak to them again."
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Picerno said that Lisa's parents have participated in over 30 hours of interviewing and, "At this point, there's nothing more to be said." He said that if the police wish to ask specific questions, both he and Joe Tacopina are open to taking the questions and relaying them to the parents.

Young replied, "I don't think it works that way."
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The Irwin family has maintained a low profile for the past several weeks, with attorneys saying they would not be speaking with the media for the time being.

But after several weeks of postponement, Bradley and Irwin finally allowed Lisa's two step-brothers to be interviewed by an FBI child specialist on Thursday. The 5 and 8-year-old boys were interviewed for about two hours and the conversations were videotaped.

"[The FBI agent present at the interview] said that it went fine, the boys did fine and there were no new developments," Picerno said
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« Reply #645 on: November 11, 2011, 02:29:42 PM »

Personally,I would have taken the town apart by now,walked barefoot on glass and through fire if I thought it would bring my child home.

Agreed.  The parents don't appear to have done much searching thus far.  And there doesn't seem to be a huge community effort to search either.  I get the feeling that the parents are just waiting for the other shoe to drop.

 
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« Reply #646 on: November 11, 2011, 02:30:35 PM »

I don't understand Pacerno's motive in stating that the police say they are suspects, but he did cloud the issue.  When Megyn got him to clarify it, he was saying that in the past his clients have told him that the police said that to him, not that they are recently called suspects.  Somebody can probably figure out his motive in saying that.  It's probably because he wants to be able to say that LE never looked at anybody except his clients as suspects.  I thought it was a misleading, though accurate thing to say.
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« Reply #647 on: November 11, 2011, 02:32:29 PM »

This is the posting from the PI in Missouri that I posted last night. He hasn't posted his blog yet for today. I really do not know anything about him so take this with a grain of salt:

http://kansascitypi.blogspot.com/

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011

Megan Wright: In Her Own Words


From Megan Wright's Facebook Page
The  Lisa Irwin missing baby case gets even more confusing each day.  Now we find that there were three people on that front porch at the Irwin/Bradley house October 3, 2011.  We also hear that a man named Dane, who was living in the same house with Megan Wright, had her telephone at some point during that fateful evening.  Wright says her temporary roommates shared that information only recently. She, in turn, told the authorities.

Wright is the latest among the media interviewees in this Kansas City case gone national.  When I caught up with Wright today, she had just completed a visit by CNN’s Jim Spellman, as well as a phone interview with CNN.  Here is a transcript of our conversation to shed some light on a very confusing issue.

Wright:  (CNN reporter Jim Spellman) seems to be one of the few that has a pretty damn good understanding of everything that's going on; which is admirable, considering how confusing this whole case is.  It's easy to get wrapped up in a sea of interviews.
I've never been very fond of being in front of a camera, but I put my fear aside hoping that opening up to the public, and anyone with a question, that something I say might bring Lisa home safely.

Rugen:  If she's alive.

Wright:  I sincerely hope she is. I know if you look at how long she's been gone it would take a miracle for her to be alive and well, but I hope that's what happens here.

Rugen:  Do you think it's hard to believe she is alive with all of the different versions of the story the family has put out?

Wright:  I try not to speculate, just stick to what I know. It seems fishy to me that the story has changed. But at the same time I know that anything is possible. There are so many versions of what people think have happened. I know how hard it is to be on the wrong end of that, which is why I try not to jump to conclusions.

Rugen:  What time was that phone call made to your phone? I heard once 8:30 p.m. and then I heard 2:30 a.m.

Wright:  I'm not sure exactly. When I got my phone back, my call log was deleted along with my messages. At first the police said around 8:00 pm, but later I was told it was more like 2:30 on the morning of the 4th.

Rugen:  I saw your interview. Dane had the phone?

Wright:  From what I was told by everyone upstairs [where my phone was].

Rugen:  Your roomies?

Wright:  Yes.

Rugen:  Do you know why he took it with him?

Wright:  Well, now ex roomies.  Why he took it with him?

Rugen:  Oh he didnt take it with him he just used it?  It’s a bit confusing. Dane had the phone. Shane is the new person that was on the Bradley front porch?

Wright:  I'm not sure what Dane was doing that night. Shane I guess is a neighbor of Deborah Bradley; a few doors down.  From what I heard, I'm not sure if Dane left or if he was at the house all night. Like I have said before, I was downstairs for a majority of the evening.

Rugen:  Okay, was he living with you?

Wright:  He stayed there for a couple days the first time, and about a week the second time while he said he was waiting for an apartment with a friend.

Rugen:  So you are just kind of someone who is a giving person if friends need a place to stay?

Wright:  Everyone in the house was in a pretty bad position in life; job loss, loss of a home, etc. Everyone was understanding of needing a hand up, not a hand out.

Rugen:  How did you meet all of them?

Wright:  I was introduced by my friend after the last house I was living in was being put on the market for sale. I was given 12 hours to pack and move out. I had nowhere to go. So my buddy introduced me, and we hit it off immediately. They were all understanding to my situation and thought that we could help each other out.  They offered me a place to stay, and I helped with cooking, cleaning etc.

Rugen:  So you all have common friends and that's how they find out they can have a temp place to stay?  Was this your place?

Wright:  I wouldn't say it like that. It wasn't a flop house as it was said to be on Fox. We were all struggling and trying to pull resources to help everyone better their situations. Not just a place to couch surf.
No it was not my place, and I'm no longer living there.

Rugen:  Oh you moved since the baby's disappearance?  You're not there anymore?

Wright:  I was asked to move because the home owner has a family member who was going to move in and help with bills.

Rugen:  So this is not a “meth house” as the internet bloggers have speculated?  When did you move?

Wright:  It's very tough to see the house presented that way, because it's not the case. The people are wonderful and caring and considerate and as nice as could be. Just because they helped out friends doesnt make them drug users or anything else that was said in that report.
I moved on Sunday night, this week.  I'm staying with a friend for the moment. But it's only temporary. I'm afraid I have to move to Springfield for lack of other options. I'm hoping it's a blessing in disguise.

Rugen:  So some of the residents may have used drugs but not characteristic of the house as a whole?

Wright:  I never noticed any drug use. But I primarily stuck to myself.

Rugen:  What about “Jersey”?

Wright:  Where to start?! (laughing)  What about him?

Rugen:  Did I hear you say in an interview he was drug user and that you used to date at one time?

Wright:  I told an interviewer that I suspected that he was. I never witnessed it. But I had speculated that he had used before, if not at that time.

Rugen:  When did you guys date?

Wright:  I dated Jersey for 5 months. He was wonderful for the first 3, then he started acting "shady" is the way to say it, I guess. He started living life with a jailhouse mentality, and that's just not my lifestyle.

Rugen:  What time period?

Wright:  I met Jersey in late April/early May and we began dating shortly after. And we broke up about two weeks before Lisa went missing.

Rugen:  So did you or Jersey ever meet Deborah Bradley or Jeremy Irwin?

Wright:  I'm not sure. He never mentioned it, and while we were together I never witnessed them talking or anything like that. Jersey and I had walked through the neighborhood multiple times a week to get from the house we were living in to his friends’ house off of Chelsea, right down the road from where the family lived.

Rugen:  But you never met them yourself?

Wright:  No, I had never met them.

Rugen:  Now if Dane had the phone it really makes one wonder if he met Deborah and maybe they were fooling around? Because you don't butt dial or randomly dial a number of someone just down the street you never knew before.

Wright:  I hate to speculate. It could have been any of a number of things.

Rugen:  Like?

Wright:  Someone stole the phone and tried to reach me, wrong number, someone calling for someone who had used my phone as a contact number [which was pretty damn common]

Rugen:  So Deborah could have been trying to reach Dane or Jersey?

Wright:  It's possible, I suppose.

Rugen:  Do you think one of them was seeing Deborah romantically.

Wright:  Like I said, anything is possible.

Rugen:  What kind of work are you doing now?

Wright:  I've been so enthralled with the case I haven't had time or the opportunity to look for work.  I'm just barely scraping by.

Rugen:  Enthralled by your accidental involvement via the cell phone?

Wright:  Yes, trying to figure something, anything out. Doing the interviews.  It's been one hell of a time suck.  I had to quit school because my car died on me. Once I finally got the money and the part and someone to fix it, my car goes up in flames, magically, 3 days after I break up with Jersey

Rugen:  Do you think Jersey may have sabotaged it?

Wright:  It's possible.

Rugen:  Do you think if Jersey knows anything about Baby Lisa he will buckle?

Wright:  Maybe? Maybe not.

Rugen:  Do you think he knows anything or he was one of the people the alleged eyewitnesses think they saw?

Wright:  I honestly have no idea.  It's possible that it was him that was sighted.

Rugen:  Did he ever say anything to you about stuff he pulled on people?

Wright:  He never mentioned specifics. I did ask him to tell me about any and all criminal history, and I got a vague answer, but any time I would pry for details... he would shut down. So I stopped asking. I told him as long as the past stayed in the past, we would be fine. But it didn't stay in the past for long.

Rugen:   What did you see in him initially?  Why didnt it stay in the past long?

Wright:  He was a sweet guy, very funny and talkative. charming, as you can imagine. All the good things women look for-- he had it.  But after about three months, the jailhouse mentality kicked in again.

Rugen:  Did you ever see him do any drugs?

Wright:  I never witnessed it.  No.

Rugen:  What kind of things did he do that showed that mentality.

Wright:  Always thinking on his feet, trying to turn a dime into a dollar... just the way he acted and the way he spoke and treated me.  I wouldn't stand for it.

Rugen:  How did he treat you?

Wright:  Like less than an equal. Like I was supposed to be subserviant to him

Rugen:  So you were sharing your phone with others in the house?  Any specific examples of subserviant or disrespect?

Wright:  The statement from him that ended our relationship [my choice] was when he looked at me after looking for a lighter of his and said "Empty your mother fuckin pockets" [sorry for language, but it stung and I remember it vividly.]

Rugen:  So tell me about this phone.

Wright:  It was one of the things I could contribute to the house. The use of my phone, my food stamps toward groceries for everyone, cooking, cleaning, etc.  It was just an understanding in the house.  As long as I wasn't in the middle of a text conversation or using my phone at that second, sure. It was fair game.

Rugen:  Okay. It's confusing for people about all those in the home. Can you tell me their names and their relationship if any?

Wright:  I'd prefer to not give names of the people living in the home. My name was released to the public and it turned into a feeding frenzy. These people are wonderful and they have children and lives... I just couldn't do that to them.  I wouldn't want to break that trust that we've built. Just because I'm not staying there doesn't mean they aren't my friends. They haven't done anything wrong. They were questioned by police and cleared. So in my opinion, they have no involvement in the case and I'd prefer to keep their names out of everything.


Posted by Ron Rugen, Licensed Private Investigator at 11:51 AM

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« Reply #648 on: November 11, 2011, 02:33:43 PM »

Higherhopes, this is news to us, but not news to the LE.
Yea, I kinda figured that, thats why I posted it here and not on the police departments page.....lol....but seriously.....Im sure LE has alot of stuff we dont know, but, thats why when we hear about it we post it here so we can continue to follow this case!!
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« Reply #649 on: November 11, 2011, 02:36:46 PM »

omg...they say the pings were 1.3 miles from the home and headed towards the river....I think thats what they said, waiting for the video of the news to come out on you tube but I think thats what they said....also something about there 3 calls made to MW phone......wth,, RIVER.....poor baby Lisa, they might wanna start checking that river if this is true.,,

I've stated from the beginning...check the shorelines of the river also the bridge for evidence.

Bringing the map from sm's map thread.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=200693554474631393195.0004ae7f62440fdc78e07&hl=en&ie=UTF8&t=m&vpsrc=6&ll=39.157586,-94.527054&spn=0.011647,0.018239&z=15&source=embed
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/LookingForLisa-map

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« Reply #650 on: November 11, 2011, 02:36:57 PM »

Cartfly, that guy did update the blog with the posting he promised for today.  Then he took it DOWN!  And announced on fb that he took it down, so not sure what's up with that.  A few people captured it though, so maybe somebody will post it here.  I read it before it came down.
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« Reply #651 on: November 11, 2011, 02:39:10 PM »

There was something about the way Picerno said "toward the river" that stuck with me.  Like maybe he wanted people to think in that direction.  Did it hit anybody else that way?
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« Reply #652 on: November 11, 2011, 02:41:26 PM »

Klaas, I cannot follow this case.  Repeating to myself, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot.
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« Reply #653 on: November 11, 2011, 02:49:44 PM »

Cartfly, that guy did update the blog with the posting he promised for today.  Then he took it DOWN!  And announced on fb that he took it down, so not sure what's up with that.  A few people captured it though, so maybe somebody will post it here.  I read it before it came down.
Thanks Bluebob, I hadn't seen it.  an angelic monkey
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« Reply #654 on: November 11, 2011, 02:50:56 PM »

I swear that Casey Anthony gives e courses on how to lie and get away with murder, huh ?
Lisa Irwin's disappearance makes me think I am in the Twilight Zone......hear the music ?
Oh....you and me both....and then that Justice for Lisa page is right in there with the mix, making things even crazier, glad I finally realized who the admin was on that page.......I got outta there and reported it really fast.....man if you live with 300 miles of Kansas City they will post all ur stuff and pick you apart, its crazy, I will never figure out how someone sitting at home on the computor thinks they can investigate a missing child better then LE can, makes no sense.... I Pray Baby Lisa is found soon, I hope they got a little info from interviewing the boys, something just has to give for baby Lisa's sake....
Can you say who the Admin is on that page? If not, I completely understand.
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« Reply #655 on: November 11, 2011, 03:04:34 PM »

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/11/fox-exclusive-cell-phone-records-of-baby-lisa%E2%80%99s-parents-released-more-calls-were-attempted-from-deborah-bradley%E2%80%99s-phone-the-night-lisa-disappeared/
2:29 pm ET November 11, 2011
Fox Exclusive: Cell Phone Records of Baby Lisa’s Parents Released; More Calls Were Attempted From Deborah Bradley’s Phone the Night Lisa Disappeared
by America Live Posted in: Baby Lisa, Deborah Bradley, Jeremy Irwin, Lisa Irwin, Megan Wright, Missing Missouri Baby   


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« Reply #656 on: November 11, 2011, 03:06:12 PM »

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/11/fox-exclusive-cell-phone-records-of-baby-lisa%E2%80%99s-parents-released-more-calls-were-attempted-from-deborah-bradley%E2%80%99s-phone-the-night-lisa-disappeared/
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Picerno also reiterated that neither Bradley nor Irwin knows Wright and that “the only person who would dial the number of Megan Wright would be somebody who knew her phone number.” He added, “The only person that has been involved in the investigation thus far who knew that phone number was ‘Jersey.’”
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« Reply #657 on: November 11, 2011, 03:06:16 PM »

He re-posted it again.....


http://kansascitypi.blogspot.com/2011/11/baby-lisa-case-cell-phone-mystery.html
November 11, 2011

The Baby Lisa Case: The Cell Phone Mystery

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Ron Rugen, Kansas City Private Investigator


After spending a couple hours Wednesday with 20-year-old Megan Wright (the woman who owned the cell phone where a call reportedly came from Baby Lisa’s mom’s phone on that fateful night), I thought a follow up would be in order.  Yesterday, I spoke to another member of the household and that person confirmed everything Megan told me.

Many have questioned what they believe to be inconsistencies in Megan’s story of when that call from one of Deborah Bradley’s phones was received on a phone owned by Megan.  The reality is she does not know for sure.  In speaking with CNN’s Jim Spellman yesterday, he believes the different times she have mentioned have been the result of seeing media accounts or talking to reporters in interviewing her and suggesting specific times to her.  After all, how would she know if one of her roomies deleted her phone's call log?

Megan told me that when her phone was used that night, she got it back with the incoming/outgoing call logs deleted.  Because she was using a pay-as-you-go Virgin Mobile cell phone, there are no telephone company records and this phone has no SIMM card.  She says she believes that authorities were going to “ghost” her telephone to recover the information.  Megan says authorities still have her phone and a GPS she was advertising for sale on Craig’s List.

Now to my interview yesterday with another household member:  This person has not spoken to any member of the media yet.  They have asked that, on condition of speaking with me, that I not confirm their identity.  The reason:  they want to help but they do not desire a media spotlight.  It is that simple. They have, however, spoken to authorities.

In order to write about what I was told, I will refer to this household member as Kelly, a gender neutral name.  By the way, Megan has temporarily moved to Springfield to get on her feet.  She says it is to take a deep breath after the onslaught of interviews.  She is still accessible by a few of us to answer questions.  My interview two days ago was the last she did.

Now to my conversation with “Kelly”, the former housemate of Megan’s:  Kelly claims Dane, another house member, used Megan’s cell phone off and on that fateful evening from at least 8pm onward.  Oh, by the way, the media report that there were other working cell phones in the house.  It is true, yet Megan was not lying.  One husband and wife living there had their own working cell phone which they kept to themselves.  But the rest of the household did not have operating cell phones and Megan’s was available for their use.

How did Dane end up living there?  Kelly says Dane had met the head of the household through friends and needed a place to stay.

Now, how did the cell phone get the call logs deleted?  Kelly confirmed Megan’s story that she left her phone upstairs that evening while most of the household was downstairs.  Kelly says Dane went to get the phone throughout the evening, used it, then returning it upstairs.  Later in the evening, Megan went to get her phone and noticed someone had deleted the call logs.  Irritated, she cussed and threw her phone on the couch and went back downstairs.  Kelly says Dane again retrieved the phone and used it.

What about Jersey?  Kelly says he was not around the week preceding the incident and they only saw him once the few days following.  That was when Kelly claims Jersey drove into the yard in a stolen minivan and was seeking Megan.

Everyone’s next question is what these guys look like.  Kelly tells me Dane is 5’10” to 5’11” with short brown hair, but long enough to comb.  Jersey is bald and 5’7” to 5’8”.

Kelly tells me authorities came to their home once with cadaver dogs but because they got no “hit” on the front porch, they did not go inside.

Is this a drug home? Kelly tells me no, that is not an accurate characterization of the home.

Having been to the cell phone household as well as other locations, to get your bearings on location, here is clarification.  The house Megan Wright and others lived in that night is about 0.4 mile north of the BP gas station where video cameras captured someone walking down the street out of the woods.  It is unclear whether that “sighting” is related to this case.  The house is also approximately 0.9 of mile north of the infamous dumpster that had a fire in it that night, and it is about 1.1 miles from the Irwin/Bradley home.  That is, if you follow the road on North Brighton Avenue and do not cut through wooded areas.

For the record, authorities are aware of all of this information.

And the confusion continues…..
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« Reply #658 on: November 11, 2011, 03:08:57 PM »

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/11/fox-exclusive-cell-phone-records-of-baby-lisa%E2%80%99s-parents-released-more-calls-were-attempted-from-deborah-bradley%E2%80%99s-phone-the-night-lisa-disappeared/
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Fox Exclusive: Cell Phone Records of Baby Lisa’s Parents Released; More Calls Were Attempted From Deborah Bradley’s Phone the Night Lisa Disappeared
by America Live Posted in: Baby Lisa, Deborah Bradley, Jeremy Irwin, Lisa Irwin, Megan Wright, Missing Missouri Baby   


Video at link.
well, that blows her little theory out of the water, not only about her phone not working but also about the time.......I just dont know what to think about this woman, I hope and pray baby Lisa is found and found soon!!
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« Reply #659 on: November 11, 2011, 03:13:25 PM »

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/11/fox-exclusive-cell-phone-records-of-baby-lisa%E2%80%99s-parents-released-more-calls-were-attempted-from-deborah-bradley%E2%80%99s-phone-the-night-lisa-disappeared/
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Picerno also reiterated that neither Bradley nor Irwin knows Wright and that “the only person who would dial the number of Megan Wright would be somebody who knew her phone number.” He added, “The only person that has been involved in the investigation thus far who knew that phone number was ‘Jersey.’”

But,but,but we don't know that....
Think about it.  How many ppl know your phone number?
Picerno is trying to get the heat off his clients.
Picerno said deb was sleeping, how does he know that for sure.

Lets go back to the beginning.
How many times did deb change her story?
Why would she?

 
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