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« Reply #740 on: November 13, 2011, 12:41:54 AM »

Interesting analysis, Spodie, thanks for posting it.  Makes a lot of sense.  I have tried to do something similar.  I tried taking all the characters out of the picture and just imagine being DB and tried to figure how how something so horrific as a baby dying could happen and what could have been her thought process, etc.  I just couldn't figure it out, and had a hard time trying to think that way. A few things have puzzled me - the camper, the garage and the size of the computer room area.  Has anyone ever said what the camper was there for?
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« Reply #741 on: November 13, 2011, 01:13:17 AM »

Something I find extremely interesting is the fact that it's SUCH a big deal for Jeremy & Debbie to be questioned alone. I mean, why? Jeremy already has a verified alibi, so he's covered bc others saw Lisa after Jeremy left for work. So why would it be a big deal for Jeremy to be questioned alone? It shouldn't, he's not a suspect...unless he knows something was up with Debbie or their company before he left for work. So the questions must be aimed toward Debbie. Right?

Occam.

What kind of grown man visits his parents that live 2 doors down from baby Lisa's house but ends up at baby Lisa's house for 1.5 hours smokin' it up...I mean, wasn't he there to see his parents? What made him go over & introduce himself, then not leave? The timing is crazy if ya ask me.

Then there's Megan that can't seem to pinpoint her thoughts & just spit out the flipping truth. Seems odd to me that she casts stones all around her. I don't know but she trashed Jersey & I'm thinking he's probably the only one that has nothing to do with Lisa's disappearance.

Dane appears like bad news, yet people welcomed him into their home for how long? 1-2 weeks?

This is some straight up Alfred Hitchcock shiznit. It's happening on a daily basis. Why is that you may wonder... Well maybe it's thanks to the news turning into reality tv and teaching all these losers how to disappear babies without a flipping trace.
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« Reply #742 on: November 13, 2011, 01:17:32 AM »

I’m so puzzled by the phones, and the Jersey connection, and well, everything. Trying to resolve these peoples actions and words is difficult because their actions are so foreign from mine. In an attempt to get inside their heads, I called a relative who has experienced a troubled life and I’m sorry to say, experienced homelessness and the depravity of drugs. His lifestyle involved living moment to moment, hustling for the next bit of change for more drugs. He was not familiar with this case and so what I asked him was; could a person (like Jersey) homeless, alcoholic, probable drug user (meth, oxycodone connections), with a rap sheet of burglary, ever break into a home where there were persons sleeping? To my surprise he said “yes, and, I have..”. He said what the person would be looking for is items like cameras, vcrs, flat screen tvs, jewelry, cash, and PHONES. I asked him about actually looking at the people to see if they are sleeping and he said “yes, sometimes to just make sure they are asleep or if they are a perv”. I then asked what if they looked into a room and there was a baby who was awake, what might they do. His reply was that “they would want to silence the baby, so it didn’t wake up its parent’s. They might choke the baby or cover its mouth, especially if they were on drugs, they may kill the baby thinking that if they got caught, its only 1 death, and it wouldn’t be premeditated so probably only manslaughter, and one death is better than the whole family. He added that the person would have to be seriously out of his gourd, but that meth will make you do things beyond crazy.
I then went back to the phones and asked him what if you took phones (and maybe a GPS? Hmmmm?), and then you tried to use the phone to call an ex-girlfriend, who could/would help you sell the phones and the GPS (after all, the people she lives with could use some phones) and you discover the phone has no service... what would you do? He said that depends on what type of phone it is and how savvy the person is. He explained that all you have to do is get on the internet!!!. He could go where there is a free internet signal, like some Mcdonalds (or nearby, just close enough to pick up a signal, most of us know we can access another person’s signal if they did not set it to private) and then he could make phone calls from the internet, skype is just one of many ways, send texts…., watch movies, play music, play games, surf porn….
So while you and I couldn’t begin to imagine any of this, it could happen.

Interesting Spodie...
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« Reply #743 on: November 13, 2011, 06:31:56 AM »

Posting a detailed timeline for the day/night/morning of Lisa's disappearance, based on information known to date.  Might not be 100% perfect, but I did my best for little Lisa.  Please, anyone, feel free to make any necessary or helpful corrections or post updates as the case progresses.

Timeline for October 3/4, 2011

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12352.0

  Praying for this little angel to be found.

Great job on the timeline, Desi! With the ever changing stories, I'm sure it was quite a task to decipher it all. I know my head has been spinning.

I have a question, which I'll try to find the answer myself, but about the cadaver dog......I'm of the understanding that a dog was at the Irwin home fairly early on in the case, there were no indications from the dog at that time. Then the dog came back at a later date and hit on the floor next to DB's bed. Which is odd, if true.  Do you know anything about this off the top of your head?  Don't dig, I will, you have already done enough work. lol   I don't even know if we know this as fact, or just from a reporter.  Sure wish LE would talk to the public a little more, but understand why they don't.  What I do know for sure is that Lisa is gone and everyone seems to change their story.



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« Reply #744 on: November 13, 2011, 07:24:45 AM »

Posting a detailed timeline for the day/night/morning of Lisa's disappearance, based on information known to date.  Might not be 100% perfect, but I did my best for little Lisa.  Please, anyone, feel free to make any necessary or helpful corrections or post updates as the case progresses.

Timeline for October 3/4, 2011

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12352.0

  Praying for this little angel to be found.

Great job on the timeline, Desi! With the ever changing stories, I'm sure it was quite a task to decipher it all. I know my head has been spinning.

I have a question, which I'll try to find the answer myself, but about the cadaver dog......I'm of the understanding that a dog was at the Irwin home fairly early on in the case, there were no indications from the dog at that time. Then the dog came back at a later date and hit on the floor next to DB's bed. Which is odd, if true.  Do you know anything about this off the top of your head?  Don't dig, I will, you have already done enough work. lol   I don't even know if we know this as fact, or just from a reporter.  Sure wish LE would talk to the public a little more, but understand why they don't.  What I do know for sure is that Lisa is gone and everyone seems to change their story.

Search warrant affidavit


http://www.kmbc.com/download/2011/1021/29552734.pdf


 Lisa is reported missing on Oct. 4th....13 days later is the first time a cadaver dog was used? Oh my!  The second search was Oct. 20, with a court ordered search warrant.  No mention of a cadaver dog during this search, that I can find.     (I saw a video of some woman reporter who seemed to be making a big deal over the fact that the cadaver dog didn't hit on anything during the first search, and then did hit on the second search.  I guess she is misinformed.  I can't seem to find that video now tho, either.)




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« Reply #745 on: November 13, 2011, 08:09:12 AM »

Video tour of Baby Lisa Irwin case locations
Uploaded by Kansascitypi on Nov 12, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q2g4vFXnOo&feature=youtu.be
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« Reply #746 on: November 13, 2011, 08:44:56 AM »

I’m so puzzled by the phones, and the Jersey connection, and well, everything. Trying to resolve these peoples actions and words is difficult because their actions are so foreign from mine. In an attempt to get inside their heads, I called a relative who has experienced a troubled life and I’m sorry to say, experienced homelessness and the depravity of drugs. His lifestyle involved living moment to moment, hustling for the next bit of change for more drugs. He was not familiar with this case and so what I asked him was; could a person (like Jersey) homeless, alcoholic, probable drug user (meth, oxycodone connections), with a rap sheet of burglary, ever break into a home where there were persons sleeping? To my surprise he said “yes, and, I have..”. He said what the person would be looking for is items like cameras, vcrs, flat screen tvs, jewelry, cash, and PHONES. I asked him about actually looking at the people to see if they are sleeping and he said “yes, sometimes to just make sure they are asleep or if they are a perv”. I then asked what if they looked into a room and there was a baby who was awake, what might they do. His reply was that “they would want to silence the baby, so it didn’t wake up its parent’s. They might choke the baby or cover its mouth, especially if they were on drugs, they may kill the baby thinking that if they got caught, its only 1 death, and it wouldn’t be premeditated so probably only manslaughter, and one death is better than the whole family. He added that the person would have to be seriously out of his gourd, but that meth will make you do things beyond crazy.
I then went back to the phones and asked him what if you took phones (and maybe a GPS? Hmmmm?), and then you tried to use the phone to call an ex-girlfriend, who could/would help you sell the phones and the GPS (after all, the people she lives with could use some phones) and you discover the phone has no service... what would you do? He said that depends on what type of phone it is and how savvy the person is. He explained that all you have to do is get on the internet!!!. He could go where there is a free internet signal, like some Mcdonalds (or nearby, just close enough to pick up a signal, most of us know we can access another person’s signal if they did not set it to private) and then he could make phone calls from the internet, skype is just one of many ways, send texts…., watch movies, play music, play games, surf porn….
So while you and I couldn’t begin to imagine any of this, it could happen.

Interesting Spodie...


Good morning,

Spodie that is a mind opener, TY. 

Monkey's, thank-you for great questions, time lines and updates.

LE has everything he needs,(IMO), LE needs to make connections. 

 
 
Has DB been seen since the kids were placed at a relatives home?

Has the ever available MW been seen since she has moved?

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« Reply #747 on: November 13, 2011, 09:09:49 AM »

From the 10:00 news, they spoke again to Rasleen Raim's family and they say they miss Blake and want to reestablish a relationship with him.  They hope Rasleen will get at least partial custody but they stopped short of saying she was seeking it.  The family lives in SE KC and they won't talk on camera and Fox 4 couldn't get in touch with Rasleen.  Basically it's a whole bunch of nothing and highly disappointing.  I can't wait for sweeps month to end so some in the local press will stop making mountains out of molehills and do some legitimate reporting.

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« Reply #748 on: November 13, 2011, 09:26:27 AM »

TY desi,for the timeline,you did a great job,in fact i trashed my timeline
notes,its really nice to be able,to go to 1 loc. to check it
timeline link
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12352.0

spoodie interesting,on the free connect idea,i have a game system setup on wi-fi,and the
kids laptop,i did an experiment yesterday,a friend with a smart phone,checked to see if
he could find my connect outside of the house,well he could,1 house away,in 2 directions,
but not in the other 2 dirs,my connect for the game system is the one he connected to, as
you said it was not set to private,among some other stuff,the boosters have some security
features too,im secure now no one driving by,looking at their phone,going hey i got a wi-fi
connect,and to think i paid to have it setup
O/T
FYI for wi-fi users,this will get you started for security
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2369262,00.asp#fbid=K3wbSOsJc7M
http://www.firewallguide.com/wireless.htm
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« Reply #749 on: November 13, 2011, 09:48:29 AM »


Jason's fb
Photo of his tat's and wonder how he got that black eye.
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1805616488&sk=wall

in Older Posts he posted the following U-Tube link.

Ryan and Jason    KCWB's
Mr. Moran
Transcription of rap:  "If the the police don't get him this white man will."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE2dMaPtYPY&feature=related

Regarding death of Robie Moran:

http://www.pitch.com/plog/archives/2009/08/24/killa-city-kcmo-homicide-no-79-robert-moran-fatally-shot-in-the-3000-block-of-ne-37th-street
 ::snipping2::the man shot was my friend robbie moran. supposively from what his closer friends ( i havent seen robbie in a year or so) tell me, he was robbed and killed over an oz of bud. a (bleeping) ounce of weed! ridiculous. ::snipping2::
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« Reply #750 on: November 13, 2011, 09:56:39 AM »

TY desi,for the timeline,you did a great job,in fact i trashed my timeline
notes,its really nice to be able,to go to 1 loc. to check it
timeline link
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12352.0

spoodie interesting,on the free connect idea,i have a game system setup on wi-fi,and the
kids laptop,i did an experiment yesterday,a friend with a smart phone,checked to see if
he could find my connect outside of the house,well he could,1 house away,in 2 directions,
but not in the other 2 dirs,my connect for the game system is the one he connected to, as
you said it was not set to private,among some other stuff,the boosters have some security
features too,im secure now no one driving by,looking at their phone,going hey i got a wi-fi
connect,and to think i paid to have it setup
O/T
FYI for wi-fi users,this will get you started for security
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2369262,00.asp#fbid=K3wbSOsJc7M
http://www.firewallguide.com/wireless.htm

That's why you put firewalls up...wink.
Anything that connects to the net.....
 
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« Reply #751 on: November 13, 2011, 12:25:01 PM »

http://fox4kc.com/2011/11/13/custody-battle-brewing-over-baby-lisas-brother/
Custody Battle Brewing Over Baby Lisa’s Brother
10:10 am, November 13, 2011, by Dave Dunn


Video at link.
It’s been almost six weeks since the baby Lisa Irwin was last seen. Family members celebrated the baby’s first birthday on November 11. Now, FOX 4 has learned the baby’s father, Jeremy Irwin is in a custody battle over one of Lisa’s brothers.

FOX 4′s Dave Dunn talked to the boy’s family about the battle.
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« Reply #752 on: November 13, 2011, 12:31:28 PM »

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45277244/ns/today-today_people/#.Tr_9GPJU2uJ
Lawyer: Phone call clears Baby Lisa's parents
Claims someone used cell phone stolen night little girl vanished from her home

 11/13/2011updated 2 hours 56 minutes ago

Video at link.
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — A call from a cell phone reportedly stolen the night Kansas City infant Lisa Irwin vanished from her home points to the innocence of the parents in her disappearance, their lawyer said Saturday night.
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« Reply #753 on: November 13, 2011, 12:42:21 PM »

What I don't understand is how there is no trace of this child! Where is she? If she were not alive, wouldn't they have found something by now? Unless someone drove the body somewhere far enough away, right?

I don't believe Lisa is alive, but it certainly makes me wonder if she indeed was handed-off alive. I just think it's harder to hide a dead body than a live one. A child that young could have easily been disguised as the opposite sex and pretty much hiding in plain sight.

So, did DB sell the child to sex/child porn people? Did she otherwise hand off the child to pay off a drug debt or such?

I know it seems most likely the child was dead before she left that house, but with seemingly nothing turning up a trace of her, I am beginning to wonder.

Just putting my thoughts out there.
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« Reply #754 on: November 13, 2011, 01:59:22 PM »

Posting a detailed timeline for the day/night/morning of Lisa's disappearance, based on information known to date.  Might not be 100% perfect, but I did my best for little Lisa.  Please, anyone, feel free to make any necessary or helpful corrections or post updates as the case progresses.

Timeline for October 3/4, 2011

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12352.0

  Praying for this little angel to be found.

Thank you, it's a fabulous resource!
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« Reply #755 on: November 13, 2011, 02:43:54 PM »

Posting a detailed timeline for the day/night/morning of Lisa's disappearance, based on information known to date.  Might not be 100% perfect, but I did my best for little Lisa.  Please, anyone, feel free to make any necessary or helpful corrections or post updates as the case progresses.

Timeline for October 3/4, 2011

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12352.0

  Praying for this little angel to be found.

Great job on the timeline, Desi! With the ever changing stories, I'm sure it was quite a task to decipher it all. I know my head has been spinning.

I have a question, which I'll try to find the answer myself, but about the cadaver dog......I'm of the understanding that a dog was at the Irwin home fairly early on in the case, there were no indications from the dog at that time. Then the dog came back at a later date and hit on the floor next to DB's bed. Which is odd, if true.  Do you know anything about this off the top of your head?  Don't dig, I will, you have already done enough work. lol   I don't even know if we know this as fact, or just from a reporter.  Sure wish LE would talk to the public a little more, but understand why they don't.  What I do know for sure is that Lisa is gone and everyone seems to change their story.

Search warrant affidavit

http://www.kmbc.com/download/2011/1021/29552734.pdf

Lisa is reported missing on Oct. 4th....13 days later is the first time a cadaver dog was used? Oh my!  The second search was Oct. 20, with a court ordered search warrant.  No mention of a cadaver dog during this search, that I can find.     (I saw a video of some woman reporter who seemed to be making a big deal over the fact that the cadaver dog didn't hit on anything during the first search, and then did hit on the second search.  I guess she is misinformed.  I can't seem to find that video now tho, either.)
Wow.  How confusing. (Like this whole case.)  Thanks for checking.
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« Reply #756 on: November 13, 2011, 02:47:32 PM »

TY desi,for the timeline,you did a great job,in fact i trashed my timeline
notes,its really nice to be able,to go to 1 loc. to check it
timeline link
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12352.0

spoodie interesting,on the free connect idea,i have a game system setup on wi-fi,and the
kids laptop,i did an experiment yesterday,a friend with a smart phone,checked to see if
he could find my connect outside of the house,well he could,1 house away,in 2 directions,
but not in the other 2 dirs,my connect for the game system is the one he connected to, as
you said it was not set to private,among some other stuff,the boosters have some security
features too,im secure now no one driving by,looking at their phone,going hey i got a wi-fi
connect,and to think i paid to have it setup
O/T
FYI for wi-fi users,this will get you started for security
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2369262,00.asp#fbid=K3wbSOsJc7M
http://www.firewallguide.com/wireless.htm

That's why you put firewalls up...wink.
Anything that connects to the net.....
 

I forgot to add that the reason the other 2 phones may not have been used is that they were not "smartphones" the person would have no ability to connect to the internet so naturally the other 2 wouldn't have even been tried. The phone from Debbies dad was not a smartphone, thats why she was manually adding numbers and maybe Jeremy's was a basic model also. There has been alot made about the other phones not being  used but,,,it could be as simple as this. Criminals are stupid, but they tend to be savvy about things that will make them money.
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« Reply #757 on: November 13, 2011, 02:51:12 PM »

TY desi,for the timeline,you did a great job,in fact i trashed my timeline
notes
,its really nice to be able,to go to 1 loc. to check it
timeline link
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12352.0

<respectfully snipped by Desi>

Hey, cw, thanks, and happy to contribute.

However, just a note:  The timeline I posted, though lengthy, only covers the /night/morning of Lisa's disappearance, October 3-4.

So, I hope you didn't toss ALL your notes!   
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« Reply #758 on: November 13, 2011, 02:54:14 PM »

What I don't understand is how there is no trace of this child! Where is she? If she were not alive, wouldn't they have found something by now? Unless someone drove the body somewhere far enough away, right?

I don't believe Lisa is alive, but it certainly makes me wonder if she indeed was handed-off alive. I just think it's harder to hide a dead body than a live one. A child that young could have easily been disguised as the opposite sex and pretty much hiding in plain sight.

So, did DB sell the child to sex/child porn people? Did she otherwise hand off the child to pay off a drug debt or such?

I know it seems most likely the child was dead before she left that house, but with seemingly nothing turning up a trace of her, I am beginning to wonder.

Just putting my thoughts out there.

Personally, I dont think she is alive. I also don't think she was hid or buried. I feel that she was probably put in the river and there is no trace.... ::
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« Reply #759 on: November 13, 2011, 02:58:19 PM »

<snip>
The timeline I posted, though lengthy, only covers the /night/morning of Lisa's disappearance, October 3-4.
[ oops, should have read:  "day/night/morning" ]
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