Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006

[2NJSons_Mom]

sandy leiva, just catching up...thank you for the translation.  Not a fun read, though.  Sick, and sorry state.

[mrs. red]

yes, aruba is so much stricter... they allow a 16 - 17 yr old go into bars drink and gamble like he is older...

yes, the family that plays together... I would say kiss my XXX Sidalee, but I am way to much of a lady...

[the big hammer]

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[Easywriter]

Bringin' the Brass

klaas writes: "Because Diario is the only paper with the "balls" to print the truth."

Better late than never -- but better never late.

Why has it taken jossy over 14 months to get the mojo working on this case?  Meanwhile, 16 yr old girls continue to be raped and videoed.  What's up w/ that?  A least he's doing something?

My standards are higher than that.  So are yours.  So are all of ours.

NYTimes, LA Times should donate full page to Deetch's epic post requesting anonymous and confidential rape information from victims -- so should Diario.

Have you been raped while on a vacation trip to Aruba...?  Are you too afraid to discuss this with anyone?  We can help...

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Is your intention to alienate one of the few friends we have in Aruba that can make a difference?  To blame the one source that is willing to take risk in order to expose the debauchery they may exist in a society completely foreign to the majority of us?

Unless, you have been reading DIARIO far longer than most of us even new it existed, I do not see the relevance of your “mystical” critique of the paper, or its managing editor.

Remember, there was always the option to say nothing, yet a different course was taken in an effort to expose a problem.

[Sam]

Hi Monkeys,

Old Fart , thanks for thinking of me. earlier we had some lightning and thunder and light rain not as much as last night though. The W is still on the Tv station but they are not running the banner across telling the counties and what kind of Weather it is. And no thunder or lightning now.

Does anyone have a link to the Diario translation that Sandy Leiva did?
Thanks in advance

[Frijole]

Sandy, thanks for translating that article....

so - we now have confirmation in PRINT that young boys on the island of aruba are raping underage girls on film/camera phones...

That needs to get reported to MSM.  Think I read someone already sent it to JQK. Hope the Judge gets it.

[Lala'sMom]

What we have thought all along, is really true.  It happens all the time all 20 times or so for the good ole boys.  

[Kat_Gram]

Sandy...thanks for the translation.

Adults, youths, rape...and all caught with pictures. Sounds familiar.

so it's been proven over and over again.... the island is full of gangs of "boys" running wild and raping women.... and taking pictures.......


yes it does sound familiar... and I personally think that we are onto something...

Yes, and in light of the fact that the three amigoes pretty much got away with murder...

well what kind of message does that send to the other boys on the island...

Ya can pretty do much about anything around here....

and not pay for it.

The girl that was druged and then raped by Joran did go to the polis and they did nothing. That is why this is acceptable in Aruba. Because it is not treated as a crime, but some sort of boyish prank.

[mrs. red]

What we have thought all along, is really true.  It happens all the time all 20 times or so for the good ole boys.  :roll

I can't imagine that if this is how they treat their own girls  that they really give a rat's butt about tourists....

[Frijole]

What we have thought all along, is really true.  It happens all the time all 20 times or so for the good ole boys.  

Imagine that - the monkeys were right!   You know what they say, practice makes perfect... guess the pimps got cocky and slipped up huh?  Glad Jossy is getting it out in the news.

[Kat_Gram]

Bringin' the Brass

klaas writes: "Because Diario is the only paper with the "balls" to print the truth."

Better late than never -- but better never late.

Why has it taken jossy over 14 months to get the mojo working on this case?  Meanwhile, 16 yr old girls continue to be raped and videoed.  What's up w/ that?  A least he's doing something?

My standards are higher than that.  So are yours.  So are all of ours.

NYTimes, LA Times should donate full page to Deetch's epic post requesting anonymous and confidential rape information from victims -- so should Diario.

Have you been raped while on a vacation trip to Aruba...?  Are you too afraid to discuss this with anyone?  We can help...

.

Is your intention to alienate one of the few friends we have in Aruba that can make a difference?  To blame the one source that is willing to take risk in order to expose the debauchery they may exist in a society completely foreign to the majority of us?

Unless, you have been reading DIARIO far longer than most of us even new it existed, I do not see the relevance of your “mystical” critique of the paper, or its managing editor.

Remember, there was always the option to say nothing, yet a different course was taken in an effort to expose a problem.

I agree Easy.... Jossy is one of the few Aruban friends of Natalee. To the rest of them, this is accepted behaviour.

[Frijole]

What we have thought all along, is really true.  It happens all the time all 20 times or so for the good ole boys.  :roll

I can't imagine that if this is how they treat their own girls  that they really give a rat's butt about tourists....

Mrs.  I don't think they care about women period.  And they were taught that by their fathers.. who were taught by their fathers.... all the way over on the other side of the pond (Atlantic).

[Lala'sMom]

What kind of third world country is Aruba?  I know we have crime here, but to hear this you would think they live in a different age than we do.  I have never understood the mentality that it is okay to rape young girls and then brand them as used goods.  No wonder that island is beginning to sink... JMO

[mrs. red]

What kind of third world country is Aruba?  I know we have crime here, but to hear this you would think they live in a different age than we do.  I have never understood the mentality that it is okay to rape young girls and then brand them as used goods.  No wonder that island is beginning to sink... JMO

It can collapse just like that bridge for all I care, I know that sounds cold, but what kind of place thinks that it's the girl's fault....

[Ono]

What we have thought all along, is really true.  It happens all the time all 20 times or so for the good ole boys.  :roll

I can't imagine that if this is how they treat their own girls  that they really give a rat's butt about tourists....

No kidding.  It boggles the mind when you think of just how many young, unsuspecting American girls most likely have been debased.

[Sue]

you have to wonder I dont know really when this took place but you wonder if Jorans or his buddies were involved in any of it

[Frijole]

What kind of third world country is Aruba?  I know we have crime here, but to hear this you would think they live in a different age than we do.  I have never understood the mentality that it is okay to rape young girls and then brand them as used goods.  No wonder that island is beginning to sink... JMO

Lalas... think AMSTERDAM red light district, legalized drugs, aristocracy.

That mentality goes to the tropics, has a few drinks - after all they are the superiors there.  They think they can get away with murder.  Oops... I see they have!! Over and over and over

Aruba -  you got caught on international TV with your hands in your pants.  Live with it.

[Ono]

you have to wonder I dont know really when this took place but you wonder if Jorans or his buddies were involved in any of it

Yes, it is something to wonder...also I wonder which school ???

[BIGORANGECRUSH]

BOC on a fly by! We still do not book Aruba at my two travel agencies!!

We remind anyone who even mentions it!!!

[mrs. red]

BOC on a fly by! We still do not book Aruba at my two travel agencies!!

We remind anyone who even mentions it!!!

BOC... hey! DId you see the article... where they raped and took pictures of a local girl and took pictures to send around?  

Yes, and keep reminding everyone....