Lisa Irwin #7 11/17/11 -

[flutter1]

http://theklaasact.blogspot.com/2011/12/baby-lisa-and-loss-of-faith.html#!/2011/12/baby-lisa-and-loss-of-faith.html

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How normal can life be if your home has been broken into, your infant has been kidnapped and remains missing and your other children are left to believe that an evil boogeyman who has already stolen your sister remains at large? If your lawyer and not your heart speak on your behalf then your sense of normal probably belongs in a courtroom, not a living room. If you can convince yourself that a return to normal means that there should be no more vigils on your front lawn then you are either in denial or something more sinister is afoot. It took many years after my daughter Polly’s tragedy before Violet and I were able to adjust to our new normal. We had lost a piece of our soul, our vision of the future as her tragic fate severely challenged our faith.
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For the Klaas Family.

The Klaas family has been to hell and back. I can not imagine how horrific this has been for Mark and Polly's mother. I have allot of respect for Mark for becoming an advocate for other missing children. Prayers to all of Polly's loved ones

~warning RANT coming on...~

Take note Debra, an innocent person doesn't give up looking for their missing child nor does that person return to a "normal" life after a couple of months. So, Deb are you going to have to get a job now that your precious baby Lisa is no longer in your home? The other children go to school, so what will you do all day long now? Are you expecting Jeremy to let you sit on your wine drinking ass while he goes back to work? 

ITA - ask John Walsh, Mark Lunsford, or Carrie McGonigle about life after a child goes missing.  There is no "normal" especially during the time when the fate of the missing innocent is still unknown. 

I despise people who cry for help and then hide when they become the object of scrutiny.  Everything they did after the birth of their children has directly impacted the lives of those children -- for the good or for the bad.  Whether their past history has directly caused Lisa to go missing, the "me first" attitude expressed by DB as her "adult time" indicates that she is self-absorbed and egotistical. 

For Example:  Her failure to get a divorce from her first husband before she established a familial relationship with another man and had a child by him, shows that she doesn't care about doing things right.  This is not me making a moral judgement . . . Who paid for her hospital stay with Lisa?  Was it Jeremy's insurance (the responsible party) or her husband's military benefits?  Some might say, "Who cares?"  I say that such behavior is an example of a person not caring about doing the right, i.e. legal, thing.  If she will rip off the government for her maternity benefits, what other transgressions does she see as unimportant?  Evidently driving without a license is one of them based on her published record.  Getting plastered while your children, including a sick baby, are under your care, is another.

Very rarely does the abduction of a child happen because of one indiscretion of the parents.   There is usually a pattern of other incidents of neglect and/or abuse.  If these parents aren't willing to open up their lives to the police in order to help get their child back, then they care more about their own skeletons than they do the return of their child.

As for them not wanting the candle vigils on their front lawn, to me that is a sign that their conscience is bothering them.  Too bad, I hope it continues to tear up the soul until they decide to do the "right" thing for their daughter.

 

[Sister]

http://theklaasact.blogspot.com/2011/12/baby-lisa-and-loss-of-faith.html#!/2011/12/baby-lisa-and-loss-of-faith.html

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How normal can life be if your home has been broken into, your infant has been kidnapped and remains missing and your other children are left to believe that an evil boogeyman who has already stolen your sister remains at large? If your lawyer and not your heart speak on your behalf then your sense of normal probably belongs in a courtroom, not a living room. If you can convince yourself that a return to normal means that there should be no more vigils on your front lawn then you are either in denial or something more sinister is afoot. It took many years after my daughter Polly’s tragedy before Violet and I were able to adjust to our new normal. We had lost a piece of our soul, our vision of the future as her tragic fate severely challenged our faith.
____________________________________________________________

 

For the Klaas Family.

The Klaas family has been to hell and back. I can not imagine how horrific this has been for Mark and Polly's mother. I have allot of respect for Mark for becoming an advocate for other missing children. Prayers to all of Polly's loved ones

~warning RANT coming on...~

Take note Debra, an innocent person doesn't give up looking for their missing child nor does that person return to a "normal" life after a couple of months. So, Deb are you going to have to get a job now that your precious baby Lisa is no longer in your home? The other children go to school, so what will you do all day long now? Are you expecting Jeremy to let you sit on your wine drinking ass while he goes back to work? 

ITA - ask John Walsh, Mark Lunsford, or Carrie McGonigle about life after a child goes missing.  There is no "normal" especially during the time when the fate of the missing innocent is still unknown. 

I despise people who cry for help and then hide when they become the object of scrutiny.  Everything they did after the birth of their children has directly impacted the lives of those children -- for the good or for the bad.  Whether their past history has directly caused Lisa to go missing, the "me first" attitude expressed by DB as her "adult time" indicates that she is self-absorbed and egotistical. 

For Example:  Her failure to get a divorce from her first husband before she established a familial relationship with another man and had a child by him, shows that she doesn't care about doing things right.  This is not me making a moral judgement . . . Who paid for her hospital stay with Lisa?  Was it Jeremy's insurance (the responsible party) or her husband's military benefits?  Some might say, "Who cares?"  I say that such behavior is an example of a person not caring about doing the right, i.e. legal, thing.  If she will rip off the government for her maternity benefits, what other transgressions does she see as unimportant?  Evidently driving without a license is one of them based on her published record.  Getting plastered while your children, including a sick baby, are under your care, is another.

Very rarely does the abduction of a child happen because of one indiscretion of the parents.   There is usually a pattern of other incidents of neglect and/or abuse.  If these parents aren't willing to open up their lives to the police in order to help get their child back, then they care more about their own skeletons than they do the return of their child.

As for them not wanting the candle vigils on their front lawn, to me that is a sign that their conscience is bothering them.  Too bad, I hope it continues to tear up the soul until they decide to do the "right" thing for their daughter.

 

So well said, flutter1, I totally agree!

[Lake Erie Princess]

The psychic who offered info about the casino IMO is not creditable. JMO
I blogged where she did early in the Caylee Anthony case, &
she never gave any solid info or leads.

Isn't she a LE officer ? Or former and has had many issues emotionally ?

[flutter1]

The psychic who offered info about the casino IMO is not creditable. JMO
I blogged where she did early in the Caylee Anthony case, &
she never gave any solid info or leads.

Isn't she a LE officer ? Or former and has had many issues emotionally ?

She commented about Haleigh Cummings

::snipping2::
September 30, 2010 at 7:31 pm

Stephanie Almaguer

Wrong……….Haleigh Od’ed at the hands of Misty/Tommy and Ron knew, and orchestrated the entire thing by phone, and wouldn’t doubt that at some point, he even snuck away from work…….You will see…it will all come out. The pee on the infamous blanket, did happen..along with “other bodily fluids” from the OD and whatever else…….She’s behind or around the diamond shaped subdivision across from the Green house MH, entered from a dirt Rd. at the end of Hunter? rd. down by the RR Tracks…and then they cut through and there is a creek there….which either leads to or has tunnels / pipes that brings water from the St. Johns river into that area. – Print this…and when the story comes forth, we’ll see………    ::snipping2::
September 30, 2010 at 7:32 pm

Stephanie Almaguer

………..And the “pee” blanket, has yet to be found…..hummm, seems odd, doesn’t it?

 ::snipping2::

October 4, 2010 at 12:26 pm

Savannah

I have heard (rumor or not?) That stephanie almaguer was hospitalized this past weekend and on life support? Does anyone know if that’s true? Sav53
Reply

October 4, 2010 at 3:04 pm

veruca salt

Did she know her hosp stay was coming?
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    October 4, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Savannah

    Well, that’s a real funny statement….From what I hear, it was an over dose, from pain med. she had remaining when she was revocering from her 2nd bout / fight with cancer.
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        October 5, 2010 at 5:39 pm

        Texsun

        There is a new medical term for this kind of behavior: “Munchausen by Internet.” What a crock! She and her BIFF wiccan friend(s) were all over the boards this past weekend casting spells on those who dared to contradict her! The only thing she is suffering from is an acute overdose of embarassment!
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October 6, 2010 at 12:07 am

duh

She must have had a miraculous recovery because she was lurking at radio’s today with her Waxahachie Independent School District IP. LOL
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October 6, 2010 at 12:12 am

duh

well Stephanie is a drama queen..I am sure the Waxahachie school district wouldn’t allow her to be back at work today if that is the case. LOL
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    October 6, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    Steph

    I’m fine and never did such a thing. Either way, my work, which is not with the District you tried to imply, knows about my cancer fights, and etc..etc..they also know I’d never do anything like OD on meds…. Nope, not me.
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October 6, 2010 at 10:53 am

veruca salt

Wait… Wait…I’m getting a vision…its Stephanie…she’s walking in a field..hot on the trail of something…she’s getting closer…she’s found something…a body…..omg!! She found Jimmy Hoffa!!! Good job Stephanie!!

When do we go to the party?
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 ::snipping2::

http://johnhgohdecommentator.wordpress.com/2010/09/30/misty-croslin-pee-theory/

Looks like a lot of cat fighting over credibility....

[flutter1]

and in Caylee 

North Texas Psychic Helps in Search for Missouri’s Missing Baby Lisa Irwin
LISAIRWIN2

CW33.COM NEWS:     WAXAHACHIE—The search for a missing 10-month-old in Kansas City, Missouri continues to gain national attention. Police are still searching for leads, and they’re getting help from some unlikely places. Waxahachie psychic Stephanie Almaguer says she had an “out-of-body” experience, showing her where to search Lisa Irwin. The day ‘Baby Lisa’ went missing, Almaguer

http://www.cayleedaily.com/tag/casey-anthony-latest-news/

Okay, I am ready to officially call her a crack pot trying to make a name for herself by solving missing children cases by her "visions."  Like a blind squirrel, keep at it long enough and she will eventually come across her acorn. 

 

[seahorse]

http://fox4kc.com/2011/11/29/irwin-family-wants-vigils-to-stop/
Irwin Family Wants Vigils to Stop
9:28 pm, November 29, 2011, by Macradee Aegerter
Video at link.
 ::snipping2::
The group that calls themselves Lisa’s Angels has conducted more than 20 searches.  FOX 4′s Macradee Aegerter talked to the group who says they don’t understand why the family doesn’t want the public’s support.

Lisa's Angels should go and pray where the dumpster fire was. They should pray for two reasons: for finding out the truth and to hopefully, find Lisa, and also to bring attention and keep the story in the news.
 
Baby Lisa's story should never go away. God Bless Lisa's angels, for searching, more than her parents have done. IMO.

[Fanta]

http://fox4kc.com/2011/11/29/irwin-family-wants-vigils-to-stop/
Irwin Family Wants Vigils to Stop
9:28 pm, November 29, 2011, by Macradee Aegerter
Video at link.
 ::snipping2::
The group that calls themselves Lisa’s Angels has conducted more than 20 searches.  FOX 4′s Macradee Aegerter talked to the group who says they don’t understand why the family doesn’t want the public’s support.

Lisa's Angels should go and pray where the dumpster fire was. They should pray for two reasons: for finding out the truth and to hopefully, find Lisa, and also to bring attention and keep the story in the news.
 
Baby Lisa's story should never go away. God Bless Lisa's angels, for searching, more than her parents have done. IMO.

Keep up the vigils you wonderful Angels!!!

Stand in the middle of the road, on public property just over the line RIGHT IN FRONT OF the 'Brad-Win' home.

NEVER TURN DOWN THE HEAT!  EVER!

Give it time...Someone in that house - will break.

JMOO = Just MY OUTRAGED Opinion.

[cartfly]

"Alia" This may be a mis-spelling. Just caught this report on HLN. Three-year-old, missing. Mommy goes to wake her up to take her temperature and she was missing. Instead of calling 911, she drives around for hours. Sound familiar?

This child looks so much like "Gracie" in the "Enough" movie. Gracie called herself Queen Elizabeth.

Similarities to Lisa's case, so close I feel like a profiler needs to do a comparative and give suggestions why these mothers feel they can just "disappeared" their children. Whew!

Is this a new child missing or is this in reference to Aliayah Lunsford from Weston, WV missing for several months? Gosh, I hope we aren't looking at another missing child case....

You are correct. This is Aliayah...I had not followed the case and did not know the similarities until last night. Right down to the purple night clothes. Thanks for providing the information regarding the length of time she has been missing.
Edit to fix Aliayah's name.  MB

Link to Aliayah's thread here at Scared Monkeys. JM  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12125.0

Thanks Yoder. I caught Nancy Grace when she aired a 2nd time and realized what you were talking about. I am just thankful that it wasn't another child missing. There have been way to many cases recently that it is difficult to follow all of them. Aliayah sure is a beautiful little girl. It is sad that her own mother was too self absorbed to see what special gift she had.

[cartfly]

http://theklaasact.blogspot.com/2011/12/baby-lisa-and-loss-of-faith.html#!/2011/12/baby-lisa-and-loss-of-faith.html

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How normal can life be if your home has been broken into, your infant has been kidnapped and remains missing and your other children are left to believe that an evil boogeyman who has already stolen your sister remains at large? If your lawyer and not your heart speak on your behalf then your sense of normal probably belongs in a courtroom, not a living room. If you can convince yourself that a return to normal means that there should be no more vigils on your front lawn then you are either in denial or something more sinister is afoot. It took many years after my daughter Polly’s tragedy before Violet and I were able to adjust to our new normal. We had lost a piece of our soul, our vision of the future as her tragic fate severely challenged our faith.
____________________________________________________________

 

For the Klaas Family.

The Klaas family has been to hell and back. I can not imagine how horrific this has been for Mark and Polly's mother. I have allot of respect for Mark for becoming an advocate for other missing children. Prayers to all of Polly's loved ones

~warning RANT coming on...~

Take note Debra, an innocent person doesn't give up looking for their missing child nor does that person return to a "normal" life after a couple of months. So, Deb are you going to have to get a job now that your precious baby Lisa is no longer in your home? The other children go to school, so what will you do all day long now? Are you expecting Jeremy to let you sit on your wine drinking ass while he goes back to work? 

ITA - ask John Walsh, Mark Lunsford, or Carrie McGonigle about life after a child goes missing.  There is no "normal" especially during the time when the fate of the missing innocent is still unknown. 

I despise people who cry for help and then hide when they become the object of scrutiny.  Everything they did after the birth of their children has directly impacted the lives of those children -- for the good or for the bad.  Whether their past history has directly caused Lisa to go missing, the "me first" attitude expressed by DB as her "adult time" indicates that she is self-absorbed and egotistical. 

For Example:  Her failure to get a divorce from her first husband before she established a familial relationship with another man and had a child by him, shows that she doesn't care about doing things right.  This is not me making a moral judgement . . . Who paid for her hospital stay with Lisa?  Was it Jeremy's insurance (the responsible party) or her husband's military benefits?  Some might say, "Who cares?"  I say that such behavior is an example of a person not caring about doing the right, i.e. legal, thing.  If she will rip off the government for her maternity benefits, what other transgressions does she see as unimportant?  Evidently driving without a license is one of them based on her published record.  Getting plastered while your children, including a sick baby, are under your care, is another.

Very rarely does the abduction of a child happen because of one indiscretion of the parents.   There is usually a pattern of other incidents of neglect and/or abuse.  If these parents aren't willing to open up their lives to the police in order to help get their child back, then they care more about their own skeletons than they do the return of their child.

As for them not wanting the candle vigils on their front lawn, to me that is a sign that their conscience is bothering them.  Too bad, I hope it continues to tear up the soul until they decide to do the "right" thing for their daughter.

 

So well said, flutter1, I totally agree!

Ditto, beautifully said Flutter

[Yoder1]

When my boys were 8 and 5, if such a tragedy had happened to their sister, they would have been so comforted (as would I) to look outside every night and see people right in front of my home...praying for her and praying for my family.

 I wonder why it sticks in DB's craw?

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/brief.cfm?id=78835
Lisa Renee Irwin Possible Location(s):National
Latest Airing  December 02 2011

[Jazzy]

I am so glad I wasnt the only one to see the similarities of both Aliayah's and Lisa's case, I was seeing the similarities but was dealing with my mom being sick that I didnt have time to go back and check my facts out to see if I was right or wrong on them. So thanks for bringing this up.

As for the vigils I cant imagine a family asking people to stop praying for their missing child. with all the players in this case of Lisa I am wondering if baby Lisa wasnt used as a sacrifice or something. And DB and  JI along with neighbors werent in a cult of some kind.

I dont know but I pray each night and day for these two little ones who seems parents have no use in finding them.

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.kctv5.com/story/16176773/americas-most-wanted-featuring-missing-baby-lisa-irwin
America's Most Wanted featuring missing baby Lisa Irwin
Posted: Dec 02, 2011 4:41 PM CST Updated: Dec 02, 2011 7:09 PM CST
By DeAnn Smith, Digital Content Manager - email
 ::snipping2::
Walsh has conducted several interviews with the national media about the search for Lisa, including Inside Edition. He urged Irwin and Bradley to work with the authorities.

"They should cooperate with police fully. They should do all the media they can and they should remember one thing - if they had nothing to do with their daughter's disappearance, they need to be the face of baby Lisa," Walsh told Inside Edition, which is carried on KCTV5.

Walsh said this week that parents have the right to get an attorney, but should do everything they can to find their missing baby including running the search effort from their home. He has thrown veiled criticism toward Irwin and Bradley for not doing more to find their missing child.

"You keep searching if you have nothing to do with the disappearance of your child. You are there every day at the police station saying what can I do to get this baby back," Walsh said.

America's Most Wanted is now airing on Lifetime and is celebrating its 25th season.

Click here to go to the show's website. http://www.amw.com/show_archive/tv_detail.cfm?id=1647

[cartfly]

Has this been posted yet? Note Johnny is DB's maternal Uncle who has posted in the past about his family history/dysfunction



https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=310677225623440&set=a.290677257623437.77907.290185081005988&type=1&theater

[labubske]

Has this been posted yet? Note Johnny is DB's maternal Uncle who has posted in the past about his family history/dysfunction



https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=310677225623440&set=a.290677257623437.77907.290185081005988&type=1&theater

Wow, these people are really against Tony.  Interesting.  Because I don't believe that he has been anyone's focus.  Kind of odd.

[cartfly]

Lab~ You are right about the focus on Tony....there hasn't been much if anything. I find his comments very interesting regarding Tony Netz.

[cartfly]

Do we have a photo of Tony Netz? Most of all the talk was about Phillip, but I can not remember much other than DB's dad mentioning Tony in passing regarding the cell phones.

[labubske]

Do we have a photo of Tony Netz? Most of all the talk was about Phillip, but I can not remember much other than DB's dad mentioning Tony in passing regarding the cell phones.

I want to say that there is a pic of Tony on here somewhere...I am thinking that he is standing with the family at a press conference.  But, I am not certain, it has been awhile. 

[cartfly]

Do we have a photo of Tony Netz? Most of all the talk was about Phillip, but I can not remember much other than DB's dad mentioning Tony in passing regarding the cell phones.

I want to say that there is a pic of Tony on here somewhere...I am thinking that he is standing with the family at a press conference.  But, I am not certain, it has been awhile. 

Thanks Labubske, I will look around more. I did a search in the very first thread but didn't come up with much.

[labubske]

Do we have a photo of Tony Netz? Most of all the talk was about Phillip, but I can not remember much other than DB's dad mentioning Tony in passing regarding the cell phones.

I want to say that there is a pic of Tony on here somewhere...I am thinking that he is standing with the family at a press conference.  But, I am not certain, it has been awhile. 

Thanks Labubske, I will look around more. I did a search in the very first thread but didn't come up with much.

Ok.  I was looking too.  But, haven't come up with it yet either.  If you see one of the family standing in front of the house I think that he is in that picture with them.  It is a press conference.  My son is asking to use my laptop right now.  Be back later.