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« Reply #60 on: November 10, 2011, 02:22:14 PM »

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45243509/ns/sports-the_new_york_times/#.TrwhG3JZrwI
Paterno aide engulfed in Penn State abuse case
McQueary witnessed alleged assault as graduate student, told his coach, but not police

November 10, 2011

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — When Mike McQueary went to Penn State Coach Joe Paterno’s house on the morning of March 2, 2002, he was a graduate assistant — the lowest rung on the coaching ladder beneath Paterno. Still, McQueary, 28 years old and a football lifer, had aspirations of one day becoming a head coach, maybe even at Penn State.
A former quarterback for Paterno, he had once been a fan attraction for his shock of bright orange hair and his State College roots. Popular and known for an easygoing, collegial manner, he was beginning the baby steps toward his dream job.

Nine years later, what McQueary told Paterno at that meeting — he had seen a former senior football coach molesting a young boy in the football building’s showers — has figured prominently in the most ignominious episode in university history.

On Wednesday night, Paterno, who had hoped to remain as coach for the final three games of the season, was fired. Graham B. Spanier, the highly regarded and long-serving president of Penn State, was removed. Penn State’s athletic director has already been charged by the authorities. The campus is in turmoil. And there is a football game Saturday that could determine the team’s season.
In an ugly episode that has torn at the soul of a proud university, set off criminal investigations and ended the career of one of the sport’s most accomplished and revered coaches, McQueary has occupied among the strangest of positions: he could be the star witness in the coming criminal cases against senior officials at the university; he has become the target for widespread criticism for not having acted more decisively himself nine years ago; and he could well be on the sideline Saturday for the game against Nebraska, helping execute a game plan devised by the coach he once dreamed he might succeed. A Penn State victory would leave it in position to reach a major bowl game.

Jerry Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator under Paterno, has been charged with sexually abusing eight young boys over a 15-year-period. According to findings laid out by state investigators, only two Penn State employees were known to have witnessed Sandusky committing a sex crime: a janitor, who now has dementia and is not competent to testify, and McQueary.

“It’s not that he’s not willing,” John J. McQueary, his father, said about his son’s public silence. “I think it’s eating him up not to be able to tell his side, but he’s under investigation by the grand jury. He’ll make it. He’s a tough kid.”
McQueary’s parents, John and Anne, moved the family to State College when Mike was 6 and immediately bought season tickets for Nittany Lions football games. A former medical corpsman with the Navy’s special warfare operations, John became a physician assistant, and later, the chief operating officer of a large medical and surgical group in State College. He was also a renowned coach in the State College area himself in youth sports.

When Mike turned 13, his father talked the Penn State quarterback, John Shaffer, into coming by Mike’s birthday party to throw a football with him. As a gift, Shaffer threw Mike a new football as he left the party.

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In high school, McQueary was a star, and as a senior he led the State College Area High football team to a 13-1 record.

“He set high standards for himself and he was stellar in his attitude, his principles and his goals,” said Ron Pavlechko, who was the State College Area football coach for 19 years and later became the school’s athletic director.

McQueary’s final high school game was a loss in the state Class AAAA semifinal, the only game Paterno saw McQueary play in high school. Years later, McQueary said he thought he won Paterno’s support for a football scholarship in that hard-fought defeat.

“I think that was the game where he said, ‘This kid’s all right, at least he’s tough,’ ” McQueary said of Paterno in an interview with The Philadelphia Daily News in 1997.

Pavlechko, who played football at Penn State, said he thought McQueary stayed home for other reasons. “Around here, a lot of kids look at Penn State as the epitome of their goals,” Pavlechko said.

For four years at Penn State, McQueary was known only as the big redheaded kid who held a clipboard on the sideline. He redshirted his freshman year, then played behind Kerry Collins for a year and Wally Richardson for two. He remained a positive influence, teammates said, despite the lack of playing time. Each Thanksgiving, he invited teammates who could not go home to his family’s house. Football players are hefty eaters, and John and Anne McQueary’s home became known for its mammoth annual feast.

McQueary finally got his chance to start as a senior in 1997, with Penn State opening the season ranked No. 1. He set a team record for passing yards in his first game, and Penn State won its first seven games. The Nittany Lions stumbled to a 9-3 final record, although McQueary’s final home game was a 35-10 win in which he threw three touchdown passes.
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Undrafted by the N.F.L., he kicked around pro training camps without landing a roster spot until, in 1999, he returned to Penn State to help with recruiting. Working toward a master’s degree in education administration, he joined the coaching staff the next season as a graduate assistant.

But on Friday, March 1, 2002, in an episode that those close to McQueary say left him shocked and confused — and that would return to haunt his life and the fortunes of his university years later — he entered the locker room in Penn State’s Lasch Football Building at about 9:30 p.m. to put a new pair of shoes in his locker and pick up some recruiting tapes, according to the report of the grand jury that investigated the allegations involving Sandusky. Coaches commonly keep late hours but not so much in the off-season months, like March. Besides, the lights were not on in the offices, but toward the locker room. That is not usual. And a shower was running.

According to the report, McQueary heard “rhythmic, slapping sounds,” which he believed to be those of sexual activity. He walked to his locker, opened it and put his sneakers inside. He then turned his head and looked into the shower.

He has said under oath that he saw Sandusky raping what appeared to be a 10-year-old boy. He immediately left, met with his father and determined he would report the incident to Paterno, according to prosecutors. A person familiar with his account said McQueary did not spare the details when he met with Paterno. Nor did he when he met with the university’s athletic director and another senior administrator, the man in charge of Penn State’s campus police.

Weeks later, according to state prosecutors, those officials told McQueary that Sandusky had been barred from bringing children onto campus.

To date, it is unclear whether McQueary was satisfied or outraged. But there is no evidence that he did anything else to see Sandusky more meaningfully investigated or punished.

What he did do was continue his climb up the ranks of Paterno’s coaching staff.


By 2004, he was named the wide receivers coach and recruiting coordinator in a staff shakeup after a dreadful 3-9 season. He replaced Jay Paterno, Joe’s son, as recruiting coordinator, and when the 2005 team went 11-1, a boost in the program’s recruited talent was lauded for the turnaround.

Over time, still so visible on the sideline because of his red hair, McQueary came to be known as the coach Paterno yelled at when things went wrong. He was often at Paterno’s side, relaying plays called from the coaches’ box upstairs to the quarterback on the field.

“Everyone wants to know what Coach is saying to me when he’s yelling at me,” McQueary, who is married with a young daughter, told a Pennsylvania newspaper in August. “It’s really everything under the sun. It’s something different every time. Coach has a knack for saying things or thinking about things during the course of a game that some of us aren’t thinking about. It’s like anything you do in life. If you’re not emotional, animated or intense about it, then why do it?”

At about that time, in an interview with The New York Times Magazine, McQueary said he dreamed of one day coaching the Nittany Lions, then added, “But Joe will probably outlive me.”

In the last few months, after injuries to Paterno, who is 84, relegated him to watch games from the coaches’ box, he chose to communicate with one coach on the sideline via a headset: McQueary, his long-time-ago graduate assistant.
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« Reply #61 on: November 10, 2011, 02:23:06 PM »

I don't know if we can put info about Ray Gricar in here, but I found another article:

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/25/case-of-missing-pa-district-attorney-ray-gricar-baffles-police/

Case of Missing Pa. District Attorney Baffles Police, Family
Jan 25, 2011 – 7:15 PM

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 A search of his vehicle did not indicate a struggle or any sign of foul play, but investigators did find cigarette ashes inside the vehicle.

"Now we're not talking a lot. [It was] some minute cigarette ash on the passenger's side," Bellefonte police officer Darrell Zaccagni told The Cleveland Free Times in 2005. "When they opened the car ... a cigarette smell came out of the car. Ray didn't smoke. And he never let anybody smoke inside his Mini Cooper. Ray was very fastidious about his car."
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In the days that followed, the FBI, along with Pennsylvania State Police investigators, was called in to assist in the case. Speculation soon turned to suicide -- a subject the Gricar family is all too familiar with.

In May 1996, Roy J. Gricar -- Ray Gricar's brother and Tony Gricar's dad -- disappeared in Dayton, Ohio. His car was found abandoned across the street from the office where his son worked. A search of the area was conducted, but authorities found no trace of Roy Gricar.
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"When we got the phone call our uncle was missing, we headed down," he said. "When we got there it was exactly the same scenario in terms of proximity of the vehicles to the water. Geographically speaking, it was identical. It was, in fact, a mirror opposite as far as what side of the bridge the car was found."

Nevertheless, he is not yet ready to settle on that theory, noting that the water was not very deep and the drop from the bridge was only about 25 feet at the time his uncle went missing.

"It is not a drop that will kill you," Tony Gricar said. "He also had some swimming capability. That time of the year you're looking more at hypothermia than anything else."

He added, "It's a pleasure-boating river. A few miles down there are pontoon boats. So, between sport fishers, hunters and the sheer number of boats they had out there searching and the aerial searches, they would have found something."
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According to Tony Gricar, the one thing that never made sense to police was his uncle's financial situation.

"He was making a fair amount of money; but, at least from a forensic accounting standpoint, the thought is there that there should have been more cash," he said. "But, for somebody from his generation, which [preferred to] deal in cash, what is the appropriate amount that should be sitting in an account?"
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There are three possible scenarios in the case and, according to Tony Gricar, none really fits.

Runaway: "The runaway doesn't make a lot of sense. It never has," Tony Gricar said. "I guess if you want to oversimplify it -- what's the point? There's been nothing. No scandal tied to the office or anything that would allude to that. If he wanted to do his own thing, why not wait the few months until his scheduled retirement? It really doesn't make much sense."

Homicide: "He was in the midst of being a part of the largest drug ring bust in central PA history -- a heroin deal," Tony Gricar said. "But it was a [small] amount compared to anywhere else, so there was no point to off a prosecutor or, as some have speculated, for him to go into witness protection."

Suicide: "If you want to go the suicide route, anybody can commit suicide," Tony Gricar said. "But there are none of those indicators that typically go along with it. He obviously could have had an undiagnosed or hidden depression -- it obviously runs in the family -- but why?"
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Thought there was some new info in here (I haven't read all the articles about him yet) and it was interesting his disappearance was so similar to his brothers suicide (Maybe he used it as to fake his disappearance?)

Also found it interesting that the nephew speaks of the money situation and that they expected more to be in his accounts.

Also.. how the nephew speaks of no scandals or reasons to run or even reasons to commit suicide (little did he know)

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« Reply #62 on: November 10, 2011, 02:32:30 PM »

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/television/joe-paterno-penn-state-coach-scores-fair-treatment-heavy-handed-tv-news-article-1.975743?localLinksEnabled=false
Joe Paterno, former Penn State coach, scores fair treatment from usually heavy-handed TV news
Although reporters haven't shown reverence for the iconic figure, coverage has been cautious
November 10, 2011

The next time they feel like tipping over a news van, some of those Penn State students might want to consider the possibility that, given what we know, their former football coach Joe Paterno is getting pretty evenhanded treatment from the evil, bloodthirsty and amoral media.
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If Paterno had his TV set on, he heard harsh criticism about what he didn’t do after he was apparently informed of those allegations in 2002. He reported them to his superiors, which was his legal obligation, and then seemingly forgot about them – while maintaining a relationship with Sandusky at the school and in the football program.

Given this situation, reporters have not been showing the reverence and awe that Penn State students and football fans clearly feel toward JoePa.

But through all the coverage, from the almost wall-to-wall analysis on ESPN to headline reports on CNN, MSNBC and Fox News, there has been a running note of caution about Paterno’s culpability and responsibility.

ESPN college football analyst Chris Spielman reflected the general tone when he called Paterno a “good man” who made “a bad choice” and now has to “own it.”

ESPN’s Mark Schwartz said he heard the one thing Paterno wanted to do was “clarify” what happened – which might put a different perspective on the situation, but which can look a little suspicious when it comes nine years after the fact.

WFAN’s Mike Francesa, speaking to Chuck Todd on MSNBC, framed Paterno’s actions as a “decision” and a “judgment” that was so poor it “borders on criminal.”

ESPN’s Mike Greenberg broadened that same issue by saying any web of culpability seemed to extend much wider – that no one anywhere in the Penn State chain seemed interested in even learning the name of the preteen boy Sandusky allegedly molested in the Penn State locker room in 2002.
So Paterno has been in the media cross-hairs, which raises an eternal question: How much is the media giving the people what they want, and how much is the media giving the people what the media finds juicy?

But let’s face it: Any case that involves a legendary football coach and allegations of child molestation coverup is not going to be tucked somewhere back below the weather report.

Given that incendiary combination, the Paterno coverage could have gone all the way to the levels of O.J. Simpson, where there was clearly a widespread presumption of guilt and the only question was whether and how he would pay.

In Paterno’s case, there has been more an undertone of sadness, often juxtaposed against the almost poignant footage of the demonstrative, gesturing coach outside his home after he was fired.
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In the long-term picture, CBS legal analyst Jack Ford sounded the necessary and sometimes forgotten cautionary note on ESPN when he brought up the Duke lacrosse case, where the truth turned out to be far different and less outrageous than the initial allegations.

But in this case, despite the fact no act outrages more people than child molestation, even the most infuriated commentators weren’t ready to start drawing and quartering.

CNN’s Jeffrey Toobin, after declaring the whole case a “moral monstrosity” and saying Penn State had to remove Paterno, seemed to suggest we have yet to parse exactly who deserves what part of the blame.

One of the most replayed pieces of TV footage Thursday came from the moment Paterno ended his brief public remarks outside his house Wednesday night.

As he is closing the door, we hear one of his many student supporters yell, “Thanks for everything, Joe!”

Well, thanks for almost everything.


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« Reply #63 on: November 10, 2011, 02:54:52 PM »

http://world-news.newsvine.com/_news/2011/11/10/8739016-paterno-aide-engulfed-in-penn-state-abuse-case#comments
The above is the link to some interesting comments.

The comments were from this news article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45243509/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/#.TrwppXJZrwI
Paterno aide engulfed in Penn State abuse case
McQueary witnessed alleged assault as graduate student, told his coach, but not police
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« Reply #64 on: November 10, 2011, 02:57:26 PM »

A Statement from The Second Mile 11.6.2011
 

http://www.thesecondmile.org/welcome.php

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« Reply #65 on: November 10, 2011, 03:27:31 PM »

A Statement from The Second Mile 11.6.2011
 

http://www.thesecondmile.org/welcome.php
OT  -  Klaas/Muffy or whomever, how did Lisa Irwin's Header end up on this thread?  Just being curious, never seen this happen before.
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Alagary accidentally made  his "The Second Mile" post in Lisa Irwin's thread, and that's why it had Lisa Irwin in the subject line. I moved it and there is a little box to check and etc. to change it when it gets moved to another thread.  I thought I had checked it, but must have missed it this time around.  It's fixed now.  
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« Reply #66 on: November 10, 2011, 03:33:38 PM »

slogger - I need to research more into the disappearance of Gricar. 

Yes, me too.  I don't believe the suicide theory, which leaves me with the murder theory.  Two incidents going on:  drugs and Sandusky.  Hmm, guess we can't ignore the "big money in football."
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« Reply #67 on: November 10, 2011, 03:37:25 PM »

slogger - I need to research more into the disappearance of Gricar. 

Yes, me too.  I don't believe the suicide theory, which leaves me with the murder theory.  Two incidents going on:  drugs and Sandusky.  Hmm, guess we can't ignore the "big money in football."


 
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« Reply #68 on: November 10, 2011, 03:52:39 PM »


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Sandusky retired at 55 in 1999, a year after Pennsylvania police investigated (but did not prosecute) him for allegedly molesting a boy
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Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11#ixzz1dKEBWeDI


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As The Second Mile’s CEO Jack Raykovitz testified to the Grand Jury, he was informed in 2002 by Pennsylvania State University Athletic Director Tim Curley that an individual had reported to Mr. Curley that he was uncomfortable about seeing Jerry Sandusky in the locker room shower with a youth. Mr. Curley also shared that the information had been internally reviewed and that there was no finding of wrongdoing. At no time was The Second Mile made aware of the very serious allegations contained in the Grand Jury report.

Subsequently, in November 2008, Mr. Sandusky informed The Second Mile that he had learned he was being investigated as a result of allegations made against him by an adolescent male in Clinton County, PA. Although he maintained there was no truth to the claims, we are an organization committed first and foremost to the safety and well-being of the children we serve. Consistent with that commitment and with The Second Mile policy, we immediately made the decision to separate him from all of our program activities involving children. Thus, from 2008 to present, Mr. Sandusky has had no involvement with Second Mile programs involving children.
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Supposition:  Gricar didn't have enough for a successful prosecution by the time Sandusky was separated from the University.  Did Gricar know about the accusations of 2002?

Sandusky was not out of Second Mile until 2008; and was still on campus until about two weeks ago.
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« Reply #69 on: November 10, 2011, 04:02:54 PM »

What I can't believe is that these grown men interacted with Sandusky after knowing what he was doing.  Did they have him over for parties and bbq's around their own children and grandchild?  How did they stomach shaking his hand knowing that his hands had been violating innocent children?  I have no respect or sympathy for any of the men involved.  They should've grown a pair, beat his a$$ down, and then turned him in to authorities.

Now, I want to know of any connections these guys might have to Ray Gricar.
ITA agree Kitty. I am nauseous reading all of this and now the Ray Gricar connections. What goes around comes around, eh? Karma is a b****

Also, MUFFYBEE- Thank you for all of the articles and research you have brought over!! an angelic monkey
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« Reply #70 on: November 10, 2011, 04:06:56 PM »

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/10/idUS243570156420111110
Don't Cry for Me Joe Paterno
November 10, 2011
By Carole Mallory at TheWrap

Tears were shed Wednesday morning by 84-year-old Joe Paterno when he met with the Penn State football team and announced his retirement -- but was he crying for the boys raped and molested during his days as Happy Valley’s legendary football coach? 

Apparently the Board of Trustees didn’t think so and fired the iconic Paterno by phone while the president of 16 years, Dr. Graham Spanier, "was allowed" to resign. John Surma, VP of PSU’s Board of Trustees said, “We thought to allow this process to continue was damaging to the university. We had to end it and to make a change in the leadership. This was a unanimous view for long term benefit of the university and to show this university is about more than just sports.”

Jerry Sandusky, the defensive coach under Paterno, and who was a professor emeritus of physical education, has been arrestedon charges of molesting and raping eight young boys (though the number is some say up to 17) over a 15-year time span. One alleged victim was a 10-year-old boy. 

Bottom Line: The Board of Trustees did not believe Paterno did enough to stop Sandusky. A thousand students gathered on campus Wednesday night to protest Paterno’s firing.
Much more...
(This article is written by a former fiance of Dick Hoak, both attended Penn State)
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« Reply #71 on: November 10, 2011, 04:15:32 PM »

What I can't believe is that these grown men interacted with Sandusky after knowing what he was doing.  Did they have him over for parties and bbq's around their own children and grandchild?  How did they stomach shaking his hand knowing that his hands had been violating innocent children?  I have no respect or sympathy for any of the men involved.  They should've grown a pair, beat his a$$ down, and then turned him in to authorities.

Now, I want to know of any connections these guys might have to Ray Gricar.
ITA agree Kitty. I am nauseous reading all of this and now the Ray Gricar connections. What goes around comes around, eh? Karma is a b****

Also, MUFFYBEE- Thank you for all of the articles and research you have brought over!! an angelic monkey

YW cartfly. As I read articles I see a bit of information or a statement I hadn't seen previously, so I post it.  I think we are just on the very tip of a big iceberg. 
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Grand Jury Report—Sandusky
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“It was within The Second Mile program that Sandusky found his victims.”
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“1 Sandusky retired from The Second Mile in September 2010.”

According to Second Mile, Sandusky left in 2008; according to Grand Jury, he left in 2010.
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« Reply #73 on: November 10, 2011, 04:46:46 PM »

http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/college/football/view/20111110penn_state_players_saddened_by_joe_paternos_retirement_stunned_by_developments/srvc=home&position=recent
Penn State players saddened by Joe Paterno’s retirement, stunned by developments
November 10, 2011


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The mural where the image of former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, a who was accused of molesting eight boys over 15 years, was painted over and replaced with an empty chair is seen today in State College, Pa.
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« Reply #74 on: November 10, 2011, 04:58:53 PM »

BTW, in reference to the mural posted in my previous post, isn't that Mike McQueary's likeness on the bottom, under the platform, second from left? 
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« Reply #75 on: November 10, 2011, 05:19:31 PM »

http://abcnews.go.com/US/joe-paternos-firing-penn-state-attorney-general-concern/story?id=14925158#.TrxIwnJZrwI
Joe Paterno Fired, Others Not: Attorney General's Office Has 'Concern'
November 10, 2011

Pennsylvania's attorney general has voiced "concern" over Penn State University's firing of legendary football coach Joe Paterno and the treatment of other witnesses and officials involved in a child sexual abuse case.

Nils Hagen-Frederiksen, a spokesman for the Pennsylvania attorney general's office, noted that the two officials charged with perjury and failure to report the abuse are being defended by the university, while Paterno was fired.

"We have a cooperating witness [Paterno], an individual who testified, provided truthful testimony," Hagen-Frederiksen told ABCNews.com, "but two others who were found by a grand jury to commit perjury whose legal expenses are being paid for university. One is on administrative leave. Very interesting development."

"It's certainly curious and [has] not been explained yet," he said. "Speaking as a prosecuting agency, we have a cooperating witness who has not been charged, while two individuals accused of committing crimes continue to be affiliated."

Following is a description of the main players in the Penn State sex scandal, what they knew, what they did and what happened to them.
(I've provided the list of the main players, but please read about them at the link)
Gerard "Jerry" Sandusky
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« Reply #76 on: November 10, 2011, 05:21:55 PM »

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/11/joe-paterno-presidential-medal-freedom-rescinded-/1
Senators rescind support for Paterno medal
November 10, 2011

Updated 4:37 p.m. ET


Pennsylvania's two U.S. senators are rescinding their support for a Presidential Medal of Freedom for Joe Paterno
, in the wake of the legendary football coach's dismissal amid a sex abuse scandal at Penn State.

Sens. Bob Casey, a Democrat, and Pat Toomey, a Republican, had sent a letter to President Obama in September backing Paterno for the nation's highest civilian honor.

But that was before allegations of child sex abuse against former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky rocked the Penn State community. Paterno, coach of the Nittany Lions for 46 years, and university president Graham Spanier were fired last night.

In a joint statement, the senators said they were rescinding their support "in light of recent events in State College." Here's the rest of their statement:

    We hope the proper authorities move forward with their investigation without delay. Penn State is an important institution in our commonwealth. We should turn our attention to the victims of these atrocious crimes and ensure they get the help they need. Our hearts and prayers go out to them and their families.

White House spokesman Jay Carney said the president has no comment on any aspect of the Penn State scandal, except that Obama's thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families.
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« Reply #77 on: November 10, 2011, 05:34:07 PM »

What I can't believe is that these grown men interacted with Sandusky after knowing what he was doing.  Did they have him over for parties and bbq's around their own children and grandchild?  How did they stomach shaking his hand knowing that his hands had been violating innocent children?  I have no respect or sympathy for any of the men involved.  They should've grown a pair, beat his a$$ down, and then turned him in to authorities.

Now, I want to know of any connections these guys might have to Ray Gricar.
ITA agree Kitty. I am nauseous reading all of this and now the Ray Gricar connections. What goes around comes around, eh? Karma is a b****

Also, MUFFYBEE- Thank you for all of the articles and research you have brought over!! an angelic monkey

YW cartfly. As I read articles I see a bit of information or a statement I hadn't seen previously, so I post it.  I think we are just on the very tip of a big iceberg. 
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I think you hit the nail on the head there. My fear is that this is going to involve child pornography/child sex ring... could just be my over active imagination.

I can not stop thinking about these children and the ones who failed to help them.
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« Reply #78 on: November 10, 2011, 05:47:17 PM »

What I can't believe is that these grown men interacted with Sandusky after knowing what he was doing.  Did they have him over for parties and bbq's around their own children and grandchild?  How did they stomach shaking his hand knowing that his hands had been violating innocent children?  I have no respect or sympathy for any of the men involved.  They should've grown a pair, beat his a$$ down, and then turned him in to authorities.

Now, I want to know of any connections these guys might have to Ray Gricar.
ITA agree Kitty. I am nauseous reading all of this and now the Ray Gricar connections. What goes around comes around, eh? Karma is a b****

Also, MUFFYBEE- Thank you for all of the articles and research you have brought over!! an angelic monkey

YW cartfly. As I read articles I see a bit of information or a statement I hadn't seen previously, so I post it.  I think we are just on the very tip of a big iceberg. 
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I think you hit the nail on the head there. My fear is that this is going to involve child pornography/child sex ring... could just be my over active imagination.

I can not stop thinking about these children and the ones who failed to help them.

I don't think you have an over active imagination cartfly.  I think it's more a case of you having kept up with the news and seeing what can and has happened.  We don't have that much information yet and already it's looking bad for the young victims.  I'm not sure we'll ever know the true extent.  Some may feel shame at coming forward, they or their families were paid off or given gifts etc, or feel threatened.  And of course, there  may be some very rich and/or powerful people involved.  There's a post further up thread alagary posted about a rumor that Sandusky was "Pimped out Young Boys to Rich Donors".  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12322.msg1486914#msg1486914 You may have seen it, but I wanted to include the link since I referenced it. It's getting where nothing shocks or surprises me much any more.   
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« Reply #79 on: November 10, 2011, 05:54:17 PM »

Mike McQueary Will Have to Publicly Live with His Cowardice: A Fan’s Perspective

 

We all know Mike McQueary didn't walk in that locker room expecting to be faced with a situation where heroism was needed. That boy didn't need an out and out hero that night. Neither did the victims after him. What they needed was a leader. Hell, what they needed was a human being.

Instead, they got Mike McQueary
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ycn-10399373
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