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« Reply #640 on: December 16, 2011, 01:34:23 PM »

At the time I'm posting this article, there are 67 comments.  They must have just let more comments through.  There are now 80.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-mcqueary-testifies-he-believes-he-saw-sandusky-molesting-boy-20111216,0,7436420.story
McQueary: 'Shocked, horrified, not thinking straight'
December 16, 2011


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« Reply #641 on: December 16, 2011, 01:49:05 PM »

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/12/focus_of_tim_curley_gary_schul.html
Focus of Tim Curley, Gary Schultz hearing will shift to grand jury testimonies of Curley, Schultz and Joe Paterno
Published: Friday, December 16, 2011, 1:06 PM     Updated: Friday, December 16, 2011, 1:17 PM

District Judge William Wenner has called a recess until 1:45 p.m. in the preliminary hearing for Penn State officials Tim Curley and Gary Schultz.

After the break, the hearing will shift to the grand jury testimonies of Curley, Schultz and former coach Joe Paterno. Court reporter Shannon Manderbach, who transcribed the testimonies of all three individuals, will be on the stand reading from about 90 pages of grand jury testimony.

The bulk of today's hearing is already in the books. McQueary told his story for the first time and stuck to it after coming under fire for telling several different versions of what he saw during a 2002 shower incident between Jerry Sandusky and a young boy. McQueary was the first witness called by the prosecution and was on the stand for about two hours.
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« Reply #642 on: December 16, 2011, 01:55:53 PM »

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57344256/mcqueary-act-was-over-so-i-didnt-go-to-cops/
McQueary: "Act was over" so I didn't go to cops
December 16, 2011

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HARRISBURG, Pa. - Penn State assistant football coach Mike McQueary says he witnessed former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky molesting a boy but that he didn't call police because he was sure "the act was over."

McQueary was testifying Friday at a preliminary evidentiary hearing for two of his superiors at Penn State who are charged with perjury for allegedly lying to a grand jury in an attempt to cover up child sex abuse allegations against another coach, Jerry Sandusky.

Under cross-examination, McQueary answered a question that many observers had asked: Why didn't he call police on Sandusky?
He says it was because it was "delicate in nature" and that he tried to use his best judgment. He says he was "sure the act was over."

He says he later informally raised questions to people he worked with about why Sandusky was still allowed around the football program.
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« Reply #643 on: December 16, 2011, 01:58:36 PM »

I just opened the fox news website and saw this heading under Sandusky's pic...
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Penn State's McQueary testifies that he believes he saw Sandusky molesting boy, but unsure if it was intercourse

INTERCOURSE??????????????????  Really?????  A sex act with a 10 yr old could NEVER be described as 'intercourse'.  That implies a willing party.  I'm really disappointed in the media.
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« Reply #644 on: December 16, 2011, 02:01:10 PM »

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/12/tim-curley-gary-schultz-penn-state-/1
McQueary testifies he saw Sandusky with boy in shower
By Jessica Durando, USA TODAY
December 16, 2011

 ::snipping2::
Updated at 12:23 p.m. : Recess until 1:45 p.m. Shannon Manderbach, court reporter, and Anthony Sassan, from Pa. attorney general's office, testified.

Updated 12:04 p.m.: John McQueary is finished with his testimony and we have two more "short witnesses" they say, USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports.

Updated 11:59 a.m.: John said he related to Gary Schultz what his son had allegedly witnessed in the shower room involving Sandusky. He said he described Sandusky's behavior, as related by his son, as 'sexual in nature...and that something should be done about it.' -- reports USA TODAY's Kevin Johnson.

"I told him enough that I feel like he got the picture," John said. "I never used the word 'crime.'"

Updated 11:48 a.m.: John says he told Mike to report the incident to his boss, Joe Paterno.

Updated 11:42 a.m.: Mike McQueary's father, John, takes the stand. Harmon finished testifying after 22 minutes.

Updated 11:28 a.m.: Harmon says he felt Gary Schultz would follow up on the 1998 Sandusky incident. Other than Schultz, Harmon didn't talk to anyone else about it.

Updated 11:14 a.m.: Former Penn State police chief Tom Harmon takes the stand. Harmon was employed by Penn State University for 33 years. The McQueary testimony lasted for two hours and eight minutes, USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports.

Updated 11:12 a.m.: On why he did not call police on Sandusky, McQueary said it was "delicate in nature" and "I was sure the act was over."

"I would informally raise questions to people around me. I don't think Jerry should be working around here," McQueary said.

Updated 11:02 a.m.: Some details from USA TODAY's Kevin Johnson: Boy described as caucasian, pre-pubescent, 10-12 years-old. McQueary also acknowledged he left the locker room and left the boy with Sandusky. "I was sure the act was over."

Updated 10:59 a.m.: When asked if Sandusky had an erection, McQueary said, "I don't know. I don't look and stare down there."

Updated 10:50 a.m.: Defense attorney Thomas Farrell is now questioning McQueary. McQueary has testified for about an hour and 45 minutes already.
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« Reply #645 on: December 16, 2011, 02:02:33 PM »

I just opened the fox news website and saw this heading under Sandusky's pic...
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Penn State's McQueary testifies that he believes he saw Sandusky molesting boy, but unsure if it was intercourse

INTERCOURSE??????????????????  Really?????  A sex act with a 10 yr old could NEVER be described as 'intercourse'.  That implies a willing party.  I'm really disappointed in the media.

It's child rape imo.
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« Reply #646 on: December 16, 2011, 02:06:59 PM »

I just opened the fox news website and saw this heading under Sandusky's pic...
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Penn State's McQueary testifies that he believes he saw Sandusky molesting boy, but unsure if it was intercourse

INTERCOURSE??????????????????  Really?????  A sex act with a 10 yr old could NEVER be described as 'intercourse'.  That implies a willing party.  I'm really disappointed in the media.

It's child rape imo.
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It shouldn't be sanitized and devalued.
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« Reply #647 on: December 16, 2011, 02:07:38 PM »

Tweets from Jim Hamill of WNEP at pre-trial hearing for Gary Schulz and Tom Curley.
http://twitter.com/#!/jimhamill

JimHamill Jim Hamill
#Paterno: I did tell Mike, you did what was right I'll refer your concerns to the right people. Talked to Tim Curley via phone. @wnep
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#Paterno grand jury testimony being read into the record. "He had seen a person (#Sandusky) fondling a young boy." @wnep #PSUCharges
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« Reply #648 on: December 16, 2011, 02:09:37 PM »

IF JP was checking on McQueary's well being in the days following I want to know if he ever once asked after the well being of the child?

AND

IF JP really sat back in his chair and commented that he hated for McQueary to see the incident, then it sure sounds like JP knew what Sandusky was doing when he took those poor kids to the shower room.  Did not one of these men express concern for the boys?
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« Reply #649 on: December 16, 2011, 02:10:48 PM »

IF JP was checking on McQueary's well being in the days following I want to know if he ever once asked after the well being of the child?

AND

IF JP really sat back in his chair and commented that he hated for McQueary to see the incident, then it sure sounds like JP knew what Sandusky was doing when he took those poor kids to the shower room.  Did not one of these men express concern for the boys?

Exactly!!

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« Reply #650 on: December 16, 2011, 02:11:39 PM »

I just opened the fox news website and saw this heading under Sandusky's pic...
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Penn State's McQueary testifies that he believes he saw Sandusky molesting boy, but unsure if it was intercourse

INTERCOURSE??????????????????  Really?????  A sex act with a 10 yr old could NEVER be described as 'intercourse'.  That implies a willing party.  I'm really disappointed in the media.

It's child rape imo.
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It shouldn't be sanitized and devalued.
Quoting myself here....I'm not sure 'devalued' is the correct term I was looking for.  I'm trying to say that rape has a certain definition and calling it something with less victimizing power is a disservice to the victims.  KWIM?
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« Reply #651 on: December 16, 2011, 02:17:58 PM »

Transcripts are supposed to be available at some later time and the Grand Jury docs have been available, but  Jim Hamill of WNEP has been doing a great job of keeping us informed on what's going on in the courtroom with his tweets imo.  Thanks Jim!!

Tweets from Jim Hamill of WNEP at pre-trial hearing for Gary Schulz and Tom Curley.
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JimHamill Jim Hamill
Curley: I did not report it to the police because at the time I did not think it was a crime. @wnep #PSUCharges
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Curley: told #Sandusky I did not want him to use PSU workout facilities with children. @wnep
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Curley: #McQueary did not indicate there was sexual conduct. Still informed Pres Spanier and Second Mile. Told #Sandusky of McQueary's story
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Curley: informed Pres. Spanier of what we knew. #McQueary related there was horsing around that made him uncomfortable. Did not say sexual.
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Curley testimony to grand jury: Coach #Paterno called myself and Schultz, and we met with him. Met w/ #MQueary. Decided to report to 2ndmi.
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« Reply #652 on: December 16, 2011, 02:19:09 PM »

I just opened the fox news website and saw this heading under Sandusky's pic...
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Penn State's McQueary testifies that he believes he saw Sandusky molesting boy, but unsure if it was intercourse

INTERCOURSE??????????????????  Really?????  A sex act with a 10 yr old could NEVER be described as 'intercourse'.  That implies a willing party.  I'm really disappointed in the media.

It's child rape imo.
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It shouldn't be sanitized and devalued.
Quoting myself here....I'm not sure 'devalued' is the correct term I was looking for.  I'm trying to say that rape has a certain definition and calling it something with less victimizing power is a disservice to the victims.  KWIM?

Yes kittymom, I know what you mean and ITA. 
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« Reply #653 on: December 16, 2011, 02:36:13 PM »

 

http://www.ajc.com/sports/paterno-i-didnt-press-1261719.html
Paterno: I didn't press for details on Sandusky
By MARYCLAIRE DALE
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December 16, 2011

HARRISBURG, Pa. Former Penn State football coach Joe Paterno told a grand jury earlier this year that he was told his ex-assistant Jerry Sandusky had done something of "a sexual nature" with a boy in 2002.
Paterno's testimony was read into the record Friday during a court hearing for two Penn State administrators. The pair are accused of lying to a grand jury.
 ::snipping2::

Paterno says he was told Sandusky had done something inappropriate with a child but that he didn't press McQueary for details because McQueary was very upset.



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« Reply #654 on: December 16, 2011, 03:32:43 PM »

http://twitter.com/#!/jimhamill

JimHamill Jim Hamill
Judge Wenner: Commonwealth has proven there's enough evidence to bind charges over to court #PSUCharges @wnep -- it means likely trial
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Sorry tweeps, battery too low. Saving juice for outcome of hearing. Full reports starting at 5pm on @wnep #BlackBerryEnergyHog
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Schultz's grand jury testimony: I consider #McQueary's report of alleged conduct in shower involving #Sandusky and boy as inappropriate.
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« Reply #655 on: December 16, 2011, 03:38:30 PM »

http://www.statecollege.com/news/local-news/judge-finds-probable-cause-for-perjury-charges-curley-schultz-cases-forwarded-for-trial-phase-962922/
Judge Finds Probable Cause for Perjury Charges; Curley, Schultz Cases Forwarded for Trial Phase
December 16, 2011

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« Reply #656 on: December 16, 2011, 03:39:12 PM »

Muffy,

Thanks so much for brining info here.   
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« Reply #657 on: December 16, 2011, 03:40:49 PM »

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Judge rules there is probable cause curley and schultz perjured themselves
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Commonwealth says defendants tried to mislead the GJ into thinking their actions were appropriate
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That lack of corroboration is heart of Roberto's argument
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Roberto argues McQueary downplayed account to Paterno. Sexual intercourse and fondling qualitatively different in meaning.
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Roberto making argument perjury has to be more than he said vs. he said
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Schultz was on stand for 50 minutes
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Schultz doesn't recollect going to Joe's house on Sunday.
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Schultz: "wow" when learning there's a 95-page university police report on 1998 incident
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Schultz in transcript: "I don't recall what McQueary specifically reported" but he had impression it was just "horsing around"
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Schultz did not check into 1998 investigation at all following 2002 incident
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Schultz said he consulted with Spanier about the incident. Spanier expressed serious concern.
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Schultz never met with sandusky about 1998 or 2002 incidents
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Schultz said incident only described in general terms, no details
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To clarify: Paterno contacted Curley on on Sunday after incident
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Curley was on stand for 39 minutes
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Curley met with Paterno; then met with McQueary and Schultz within a week to discuss incident
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Curley thought boy was second mile boy and therefore thought it was appropriate to alert second mile
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Curley was not aware of other allegations of inappropriate sexual misconduct by Sandusky
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Curley met with Sandusky, didn't think crime was committed, didn't file report to police.
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MinkNate Nate Mink
Curley said McQ never told him anything sexual was going on in shower
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MinkNate Nate Mink
Curley's testimony being read: said he told spanier of incident and second mile
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Paterno was on stand (in Jan.) for seven minutes
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Paterno didn't tell anybody else because he thought Curley would handle it
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MinkNate Nate Mink
Paterno said he didn't call Curley Saturday because he didn't want to interfere with his weekend plans.
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Paterno says sandusky was 'fondling' a young boy. It was a sexual nature, not sure what it was
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Paterno's up first
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Curley, Schultz and Paterno testimony to be read onto the record
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We're set to start here soon for part 2, which likely will include the reading of testimony from Paterno. #PSUCharges
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« Reply #658 on: December 16, 2011, 03:44:48 PM »

Muffy,

Thanks so much for brining info here.  

YW Numbersgirl.  The  young victims were failed in so many ways, by so many in power that could and should have come to their aid.  I really wonder just how many victims there are that don't feel they can come forward.  

Edit to add:  One victim is one too many.  How many victims could have been saved if even one of the adults in this stood up?  All of these crimes against the young boys over the years could have been prevented.  JMHO
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« Reply #659 on: December 16, 2011, 03:50:08 PM »

Here's some more tweets from Nate Mink.  I like to post some of the tweets because they are real time and being sent from the courtroom.  Also, they become a resource to check back with imo.

http://twitter.com/minknate

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By the way, counsel won't take questions, we're told.
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MinkNate Nate Mink
There HAS to be a second witness to what McQueary allegedly told Curley
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MinkNate Nate Mink
Roberto: nothing happened today the defense didn't expect
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Does not expect prosecution to be able to get conviction against either defendant.
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Still, says there is no proof of perjury. Defense lawyers not concerned at all right now, he says.
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Wes Oliver, law professor at Widener, not surprised it is going to trial, very low threshold met by prosecution.
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Media awaits post-hearing presser yfrog.com/ob1owbj
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