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« Reply #2040 on: June 23, 2012, 12:25:41 PM »
Juror Tells NBC's Today Show He Knew Sandusky Was Guilty by Look on His Face
by Ron Musselman
June 23, 2012

BELLEFONTE – A juror in the Jerry Sandusky trial told NBC’s Today show on Saturday he knew the former Penn State defensive coordinator was guilty by looking at his face as the verdict counts were being read to him.

"I looked at him during the reading of the verdict, and the look on his face, no real emotion, just kind of accepting, you know, because he knew it was true," juror Joshua Harper told NBC.
Harper said there had been some disagreement on some of the charges before the jury reached its decision after more than 21 hours of deliberating.

"We looked at some inconsistencies in some of the testimony and we wanted to reconcile those and make sure that wouldn't discredit the testimony. And so we worked through those things systematically as a jury," he told NBC.

Harper said the male victims who testified in the trial that they had been abused by Sandusky appeared to be telling the truth.

Jury deliberations were under way Thursday when Sandusky's adopted son, Matt, also accused the former coach of sexually abusing him.

Jurors did not learn of that allegation until after reaching their verdict.

"We heard about it at the same time, and we were just looking at each other like we had suspected that, but we had no evidence of it. It just solidified our decision," Harper told NBC.

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« Reply #2041 on: June 23, 2012, 12:26:45 PM »
Major Headlines in Wake of Sandusky Trial
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June 23, 2012


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« Reply #2042 on: June 23, 2012, 12:29:46 PM »
A Look at What's Next in Penn State Scandal After Guilty Verdict in Sandusky Trial
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June 22, 2012

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« Reply #2043 on: June 23, 2012, 01:03:17 PM »
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RT @SCNewsDesk: Juror Tells NBC's Today Show He Knew ‪#Sandusky‬ Was Guilty by Look on His Face:
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Amendola: In cases like this, it's not unusual for prison officials to put a person on suicide watch. ‪#Sandusky‬

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Thanks all who followed for ‪#Sandusky‬ coverage. We'll see you for sentencing, Curley/Schultz, Freeh report and anything else that develops.

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« Reply #2044 on: June 23, 2012, 01:05:54 PM »
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The front page of today's Patriot-News: ‪#Sandusky‬

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For some ‪#Sandusky‬ victims, guilty verdict means 'it's finally over'

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« Reply #2045 on: June 23, 2012, 01:09:57 PM »
Jerry Sandusky verdict: For some victims, guilty verdict means 'it's finally over'
By The Patriot-News
June 23, 2012

BELLEFONTE — After the jury found Jerry Sandusky to be a serial pedophile, the mother of the young man known as Victim 6 embraced her son.

Despite the cheers outside the Centre County Courthouse that accompanied the announcement that Sandusky was headed to prison, quite probably for the rest of his life, she couldn’t celebrate.

“Nobody wins,” she said. “We’ve all lost.”

But on Friday night, Sandusky lost, too.

Gallery:  Jerry Sandusky verdict (26 photos)

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Major Headlines in Wake of Sandusky Trial
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June 23, 2012

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« Reply #2047 on: June 23, 2012, 02:20:22 PM »
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FULL VIDEO: Post trial comments from Joe Amendola and Attorney General Linda Kelly on ‪#Sandusky‬ verdict:

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Video of Jerry ‪#Sandusky‬ leaving courthouse last night in handcuffs.
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Sex abuse advocates praise guilty verdict in ‪#Sandusky‬ child sex abuse trial:

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A full shot of the Centre Daily Times' front page. Pick yours up on newsstands today!

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Former ‪#PSUfootball‬ players react to news of guilty verdict in ‪#Sandusky‬ trial:

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Here is this morning's @centredailycom front page:
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FULL VIDEO: Post ‪#Sandusky‬ verdict comments from Joe Amendola and AG Linda Kelly.


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« Reply #2048 on: June 23, 2012, 02:23:00 PM »
30m Sara Ganim Sara Ganim ‏@sganim
Rominger just told me, they were so unprepared they couldn't even put together a proper witness list. That's how Sue Paterno ended up on it.

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‪#Sandusky‬'s attorneys tried to get out of the case right before trial, saying they were unprepared:

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Follow my colleague @bakerimages for ‪#Sandusky‬ videos post verdict

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« Reply #2049 on: June 23, 2012, 02:27:01 PM »

Really?  So is this the start of basis for Jerry's appeal?  Inadequate defense?
Jerry Sandusky's attorneys tried to get out of case because they felt unprepared, Karl Rominger says
By SARA GANIM, The Patriot-News
Published: Saturday, June 23, 2012, 1:24 PM     Updated: Saturday, June 23, 2012, 1:59 PM

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ShutOut1942 June 23, 2012 at 1:56PM

Karl, are we to believe the defense team consisted of you, Joe A & one secretary??? Surely you jest. I would expect you & Joe A to field a strong group of junior lawyers & para legals plus peripheries... If you felt you did not have resources, you should have not stepped up at the "git" to defend TS.....

Now you are a whiner!!! blaming the referees for losing this case. Take your loss in stride & go home quietly. You lost because the jury said so. It's just that simple...

shoreresider June 23, 2012 at 2:09PM

What a bunch of crap. They wanted to get out of the case because they knew he was guilty and didn't want this case on their resumes.

Forget about the appeals and just let him spend the rest of his life in isolation -- it will be better not only for the young boys of the world, but his wife and children as well.

glenn15 June 23, 2012 at 2:09PM

Buck .... Snort. And prepping the battlespace for the appeals process. Next thing they'll be saying holding the trial in Bellfonte was prejudicial because of the jurors connections to Penn State.

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June 23, 2012 at 2:14PM

Oh, pleaaaaaase.

Hey buddy, you LOST !

What`s with the feeble excuses now ????


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« Reply #2050 on: June 23, 2012, 02:33:43 PM »
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« Reply #2051 on: June 23, 2012, 02:44:08 PM »
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We`re all over two huge cases tonight, and the Jerry Sandusky trial is one of them, where an explosive new revelation has just come out.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Today lawyers are making their final case to the jury in the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse trial.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sandusky`s defense team gave theirs this morning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The system decided Mr. Sandusky was guilty. And the system set out to convict him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His refrain flew out to this jury. It doesn`t add up. It doesn`t make sense.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But then the prosecutor, (inaudible) wrapped up a short time ago with a powerful finish. Then he walked over next to Jerry Sandusky as he wrapped up and he said, "He knows he did it. You know he did it. The kids can`t get back their souls. You have to find him guilty on all counts."


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, huge breaking news. Just a couple of hours ago a stunning revelation from a Sandusky family member shocks the public just hours after the dramatic closing arguments in the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse trial.


SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Matt Sandusky is one of the adopted children of Jerry Sandusky that he was prepared to testify for prosecutors in this case. And now through his lawyer he is announcing that he, Matt Sandusky, was molested by his father, is a victim of child abuse by his own father.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s right. And here he is walking into court. Sandusky`s 33-year-old son, Matt, has now come forward to say that he was the victim of sexual abuse at the hands of his adoptive father, Jerry Sandusky. His lawyer says Matt Sandusky requested quote, "Matt Sandusky our advice and assistance to disclose that he is a victim of Jerry Sandusky`s abuse."

In a controversial closing, the Sandusky defense mentioned everyone from Mother Teresa to Joe Paterno, but the jury did not hear a peep about the shocking new claims. Even without Matt`s testimony, prosecutors tried to seal the deal with some dramatic arguments. Listen to this.


MIKE GALANOS, HLN HOST: At the end, very powerful, very effective and most say it was his best moment when he left the jury, who he had been addressing throughout closing, walked behind Jerry Sandusky and said, "He knows he did it, you know he did it. These kids cannot get their souls back. Find him guilty on all counts."


VELEZ-MITCHELL: It is 7:36 and 11 seconds and the jury is deliberating right now. That is a late hour for a jury to be deliberating.

Straight out to editor Mark Brennan; you were in the courtroom today. You heard it all. Your reaction to this late afternoon bombshell, allegation of molestation from Sandusky`s own son.

MARK BRENNAN, FIGHTSTATE.COM EDITOR: Yes. Jane, just when you think it can`t get any crazier, you know, we have those powerful closing arguments then another bombshell as you mentioned comes out. People have to realize that in this area, the Sandusky family, even before any of this happened, one of the most well-known groups of people specifically because of what Jerry -- what he did with the Penn State football team but also for what he did adopting all these kids, foster kids, that sort of thing. This adds a whole new wrinkle to it. And I just felt -- you wonder where this is going to stop.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It is absolutely incredible. And I agree. I mean, this afternoon when I got this, I was like, oh, my gosh. This is -- it`s beyond comprehension almost. Just two days ago Jerry`s wife and adopted mother to Matt -- the man who`s now saying that Jerry Sandusky abused him sexually too, Dottie Sandusky took the stands and vigorously testified in her husband`s defense.


CANDIOTTI: Dottie Sandusky took the stand for about 45 minutes. And she, as expected, defended her husband fully and completely. Bottom line here, she said she never heard anyone yelling for help from the basement, which was another question we heard during the prosecution`s case. And she didn`t know of her husband ever inappropriately touching any of these boys.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Matt`s lawyer say Matt decided some time during this trial that he wanted to tell prosecutors he was molested by Jerry. So, Mark Eiglarsh, you`ve got to wonder if Dottie knew her adopted son said that he too was molested at the time that she took the stand. Why did she take the stand? Would she have been conflicted? I know this is her husband of 45 years, but this is her son.

EIGLARSH: I can`t get into her psychology. I can`t imagine why she would take the stand and lie to protect someone like this knowing that he had harmed so many people. I just have to believe that she believes that he didn`t do this in spite of what appears to be overwhelming evidence. Eight separate victims one by one who took no pride and joy in having to get up there and relive all these horrible details. I couldn`t get up there as a defense attorney with a straight face and argue that this was some kind of conspiracy.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Why? You`ve got to wonder why now. Why did Matt Sandusky choose precisely the moment when hypothetically anyway because the jury`s sequestered, the jury would not hear this bomb shell.

Did he want to get something off his chest without taking sides against his family? Could this also be the very reason that Jerry Sandusky didn`t take the stand? Because observers say it would have opened the door for prosecutors to call Matt.

We`re going to analyze this on the other side. Unbelievable stuff.


SARA GAMIN, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: His biological mother has been saying for more than a year that she believed that her son was abused in some way by Jerry Sandusky. She said she witnessed all kinds of strange behavior.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And she`s referring to Matt Sandusky -- on the right of your screen, Matt Sandusky getting into a van outside court just yesterday; incredible that prosecutors did not call him to testify or his biological mom.

Casey Miller, trial consultant, why didn`t the prosecution just call Matt Sandusky?

CASEY MILLER, TRIAL CONSULTANT: You know, we can only speculate on the prosecution`s strategy and what they did or what they chose not to do was their decision. My guess is that the prosecution felt that they had enough evidence; they started strong, they ended strong. And they did not want to take any additional risks in not knowing exactly where this testimony might go.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but Michael Christian, as we learned with Casey Anthony, there`s no such thing as a slam dunk. I mean why would Matt Sandusky do you think, want to tell prosecutors, I was molested by Jerry Sandusky and then not want to testify?

MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, "IN SESSION" CORRESPONDENT: You know, we don`t know that he didn`t want to testify. He may very well have wanted to testify and they just decided not to call him. The interesting thing, Jane, is he was actually mentioned once earlier in this trial -- completely coincidentally.

One of the victims said that at one point he and Jerry Sandusky went to Penn State to work out and that Matt Sandusky went with them. And this particular victim said that when they went to take a shower afterwards, Jerry Sandusky kind of made a soap ball. This was kind of something that a lot of victims said he did. He would make soap balls and then they`d have soap fights and that was a prelude to sexual contact.

This particular victim said that the minute Matt Sandusky saw his dad in that shower making this soap ball, he had an uneasy look on his face and he got out of there. So it`s interesting because he has been brought up that one time in this trial.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mark Brennan, did you get a sense, maybe, that it was just the reality of hearing these other witnesses that made him realize, I got to say something?

BRENNAN: I don`t know what it was because it had been reported widely about his biological mother making these claims. And I think a lot of people were wondering why he never came forward. And I`ll tell you, sitting there in a courtroom it was powerful, powerful, emotional stuff listening to these alleged victims. And maybe that was enough just to jar to get him over the edge.

I keep saying, I wonder how many other people may come forward after whatever happened to them.


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Sandusky Jury Still Deliberating
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want to bring in Jane Velez-Mitchell. And Jane, I hate to think that this trial would stop people from volunteering, stop kids from getting mentors they need. What do you think the impact is going to be?

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Well, one of the things that I think is very important is to realize that some of the worst molesters have absolutely no criminal record. So you can`t do some kind of database check to check for them.

What we have to trust are our instincts. If something seems off, take that into account, because it may be something there. Trust your gut.

Tonight, jurors in the Sandusky trial deliberating as we speak right now. We could find out any moment now Jerry Sandusky`s fate. We are bringing you the very latest live from right outside the courthouse, next.


VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, nerve-wracking deliberations in the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse trial. Why did jurors demand to hear once again the testimony of star witness Mike McQueary? He`s the former Penn State assistant coach who says he saw Sandusky in the shower sexually abusing a young boy. Did he tell conflicting stories? Could this be the prosecution`s Achilles heel?

And what about Sandusky`s own son saying he, too, is a victim?

We`re analyzing this incredibly dramatic trial with experts. And we`re taking your calls.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Already another bombshell allegation against Jerry Sandusky. Now, his adopted son says he, too, is a victim.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Matt Sandusky claims he was molested by Sandusky and was prepared to testify against him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Former Penn State coach facing life in prison for allegedly sexually abusing ten boys.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Jerry Sandusky that I knew and I saw and have a relationship, I cannot imagine him doing the things he`s been accused.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There are felony charges here. Nine counts of involuntary deviant sexual intercourse. Nine counts of unlawful contact with minors. Six counts of endangering the welfare of children. Seven counts of indecent assault. Four counts of endangering the welfare of children.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have to have closure. We have to go on. This is so sad. And so hard on Penn State, you know? And our community.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight the anticipation and the tension grows. We`re on verdict watch as the growing crowd outside the courthouse waits on pins and needles. The jury in the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse trial, 18 hours of deliberation and counting. Are there any clues about what`s going on behind those closed doors?

Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, coming to you live tonight as the anticipation hits a fever pitch.

The jury asked to review two crucial pieces of evidence, all dealing with the only two victims who did not testify. This morning the jury re- heard the testimony of star prosecution witness Mike McQueary. He is the Sandusky football colleague who says he saw Jerry Sandusky appearing to have sex with a young boy.

But the jurors also wanted to hear from a defense witness, Dr. Jonathan Dranov, who says a shaken Mike McQueary told him a slightly different story. Listen to this.


MIKE GALANOS, HLN: They wanted a read-back of testimony from Mike McQueary and Dr. Jonathan Dranov. This surrounds victim No. 2. We didn`t hear from victim No. 2. It`s Mike McQueary who says he`s the eyewitness that saw Jerry Sandusky raping this young boy in the showers at Penn State, 2001.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Again, just hours ago, the jury asked a question about the only other victim who did not testify. That boy`s alleged molestation was witnessed by a janitor who couldn`t testify, because he`s suffering from dementia right now. But he told his story to another worker, who did testify.


JEAN CASAREZ, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": This accused rape, nobody reported it. All these people see it. They tell everybody in the locker room, the janitor, the manager of the janitor. Nobody reports it. They say they were scared to talk against Jerry Sandusky or to bring something like that to light.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Power and privilege. Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS; 1-877- 586-7297.

Straight out to "In Session`s" Jean Casarez, who was with us on camera only briefly since you need to get into court quickly in case there is news from the jury.

Jean, is there a building sense of anticipation that we are getting very close to a verdict?

CASAREZ: You know, you never know, but, yes, there is anticipation here. You know, they`ve been deliberating very hard. And I just spoke with someone very close to the case. And they said that they have never seen a deliberation this long. That Centre County has a reputation for having a short deliberation versus a long deliberation.

But don`t forget, there`s 48 counts here. But it`s been an active day. I mean, they`ve had questions. There`s been communication. I think they want to get this done.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, there`s a dinner break. And are they working through the dinner break or not?

CASAREZ: The dinner break is going on right now. It is considered deliberations, yes. But attorneys are away from the courthouse. We don`t expect a verdict during the dinner break. But it could come at any time. Truly, you never know.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Well, the dinner break could be ending any second now, too. So hypothetically, there could be a verdict announced during this hour, and we`re all over it.

Prosecutors say Jerry Sandusky molested ten boys over 15 years. Now, eight of those boys, now young men took the stand and accused Sandusky to his face. But the jury today had questions about the two accusers who did not testify. Assistant coach Mike McQueary testified that he saw Jerry Sandusky appear to rape one of those silent victims in the Penn State showers. Here`s McQueary on CBS.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Describe your emotions right now.




UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You said what, like a?

MCQUEARY: Snowblower (ph).

VELEZ-MITCHELL: As for the other alleged victim who didn`t take the stand, a janitor said he saw Sandusky performing a sex act on a young boy, but that boy did not take the stand. The janitor now has dementia and couldn`t testify. It was a co-worker he talked to who did testify.

So Mike Sisack (ph), you are a court reporter. You`ve been there throughout the trial, day in, day out. Why do you think these jurors are focused precisely on the two cases where the boys themselves did not testify? Is it a good sign or a bad sign for the prosecution?

MIKE SISACK (PH), COURT REPORTER: Well, it`s hard to read the tea leaves on that. But it is interesting that they are focusing on these two areas where they did not see in the courtroom the young men come into court and tell their story. They heard that from eight people in this case, emotionally at times, graphic details. But in these cases they have to rely on third-party witnesses.

And there was some controversy about these witnesses. Mike McQueary told one story to the grand jury. Had slight variations in his testimony at a preliminary hearing. And then was here in court.

And then there was Dr. Dranov, the family friend, who told a slightly different story, and the defense was trying to accentuate that.

And then you have the janitor who now suffers from dementia, and you had to rely on a third party, a colleague to tell his story about what he saw.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. There is a theory that the entire prosecution case could be destroyed if you go after Mike McQueary`s testimony. He is, in a sense, the adult who witnessed these boys allegedly, or at least one of them being abused. Otherwise, you rely on the testimony of the boys themselves.

OK. Now, McQueary testified he saw Jerry Sandusky and a young boy together in the Penn State shower room in a, quote, "very extreme sexual position," end quote. McQueary testified he was so upset he was shaken. He told his dad and a family friend, Dr. Jonathan Dranov, what he saw.

But the defense called Dr. Dranov, who testified McQueary told him he heard some sexual sounds but didn`t see any physical contact. That`s a discrepancy. How important is it for the defense to raise questions about McQueary`s testimony? Listen to this.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The defense has said that if you can break down Mike McQueary`s case, if you can discredit him, that they believe the whole case falls apart. And this is why.

The defense thinks that once many of these alleged victims knew that Penn State was involved, that a university with a lot of money was involved in this, that they saw lawsuits, they saw cash.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Stacey Honowitz, Florida prosecutor and you`re the supervisor of a sex crimes unit. We all know there are no open and shut cases. Remember Michael Jackson? OK. Child molestation trial. Everybody thought he was going away. They were all predicting it, that while the jury`s deliberating, "Oh, he`s going down, he`s going down." He was acquitted on all counts.

If the jury is worried about Mike McQueary`s testimony, could this be the prosecution`s Achilles` heel?

STACEY HONOWITZ, FLORIDA PROSECUTOR: Absolutely not. I mean, his testimony as to one witness. I don`t think they`re trying to discredit him. I think they`re trying to figure out what it was he saw.

And the past guest is correct. I mean, if the actual victim is not in court to testify, you have to rely on a third person. It`s much more difficult. The idea that he might be discredited has nothing to do with the other eight victims that came forward.

You would have to believe that they`re so desperate for money that they`d, in front of the entire nation, talk about someone performing oral sex upon them. If you think it`s easy to discuss that kind of abuse and then go in a courtroom and then have the world looking, then you know what? You should walk them out the door. You must think that they are involved in such a huge conspiracy.

The credibility is there. The idea that they`re asking to read back testimony is not unusual in a case with 48 counts. And you have all jurors listening to different things. So I`m not surprised. I`m not surprised at how long the deliberations are taking. And I think that the jury is going to see this guy abused all of these kids.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But, Midwin Charles, we all were there for many big cases, whether it`s O.J. Simpson, Robert Blake, Michael Jackson child molestation trial. And everybody was saying, "Oh, yes, he`s going down." And guess what? They were all acquitted in the criminal cases.

MIDWIN CHARLES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right. I mean, you`re right. We`ve covered these trials for years, and we`re always shocked and stunned when you get a verdict that is not what you would anticipate.

It always comes down to the jurors and what they are thinking. You`ve got 12 different people, complete different backgrounds, complete different racial make-up and you have no idea how they are approaching this evidence. They`ve been sitting there through each and every day. They`ve listened to all the testimony. They`re familiar with all the documentation and the evidence, and you have no idea how they`re going to come down.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And they`re not hearing everything that we`re hearing outside court.

CHARLES: Especially this last allegation from this adopted son, Matt Sandusky. They haven`t heard that.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If Jerry Sandusky were sitting right here...


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Would you say anything first?

WEAVER: No. There would be no reason to say anything. He knows what he did. I know what he did.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, that from "30" -- from "Rock Center."

But I`ve got to tell you that there is a deliberation going on as we speak. And you dovetail that with another accuser speaking out publicly for the first time, 30-year-old Travis Weaver. He did not testify at the trial. He claims he was repeatedly sexually abused as a boy by Jerry Sandusky at Jerry Sandusky`s home. Listen to more of what he has to say.


WEAVER: I stayed at his house probably over a hundred times.


WEAVER: Yes. It was over a few years. Yes. I stayed there a lot.

ELEZ-MITCHELL: A hundred times. Weaver testified before the grand jury, and he has filed a civil suit. But we`re going to talk in a moment about why he`s not on the prosecution`s witness list.

I want to go out to Adam Rendon, the author of "The Vallie." You are a sex abuse survivor. You say you were sexually abused by a neighbor. I admire your courage in speaking out.

Explain to us from your perspective why it`s possible for somebody to say they were sexually abused by Jerry Sandusky for a hundred times and still not want to take the stand and testify.

ADAM RENDON, AUTHOR, "THE VALLIE": Something like that, it`s really hard to explain, because everyone takes their abuse in their own way. And I`m pretty sure that the reason he`s not wanting to come forward and speak about it in front of a jury is because he`s embarrassed.

I myself was embarrassed when I had to tell my family that I was sexually abused by neighbors that we had since childhood. And being on trial, I mean, you`re looked at by lots of people. And I don`t think he has what it takes to actually stand up and tell the prosecution and to tell the jury that he was sexually abused so many times by Jerry Sandusky.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But, Michael Christian, "In Session," you`re there, as well, covering this trial. Could it be that there`s a problem with his story? Because he seems to have no problem speaking publicly on camera, which one might say could be even more stressful and more potentially traumatic than speaking in a court where there are no cameras.

MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": Yes. One would think. But, you know, there may be future charges in this case. The grand jury is investigating, apparently there are potentially more victims out there. There could be other charges against Jerry Sandusky.

And you know, you talk about this happened at his house a hundred times or somebody says, "I was there every weekend for a year. This happened 50 times." The defense says that works for them because they said there`s no way that all these victims were running around, could possibly all have been in the basement, all have being abused by Jerry Sandusky in the same time period. They say it just doesn`t make any sense and that the defense is embellishing all of this.

So those large numbers, even though they sound horrible on the surface, could help the defense, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Unbelievable. Let`s go out to the phone lines. Debby in New York, your question or thought, Debby.

CALLER: Hi, Jane.


CALLER: I may be mistaken, I thought I heard that the gentleman that was on the show last night that -- the "Rock Center"...


CALLER: That he -- I think they`re saving him -- God forbid, for round two, for a second trial if need be. That`s what I heard.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. There`s a lot of speculation. And everybody puts their own spin on it, Midwin Charles.

His attorney may say, "Well, we`re waiting for this trial," and there could be another set of accusers who come forward and put Jerry Sandusky on trial again.

Others say maybe there`s a problem with the story and that`s why the prosecution this go-round decided to keep him off.

CHARLES: Right. I don`t know if there was a problem with his story, but I was going to say, it could be that the prosecutors decided that they just didn`t need him. I mean, they had eight victims on that stand. As you can imagine, that`s very powerful. That is firsthand experience. You`ve got these eight guys now on the stand, talking about what happened to them. And they probably decided, "We don`t need anymore. We don`t want overkill."

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. Because sometimes your story can get very muddied. If you go back to the Michael Jackson child molestation trial, there was something like seven accusers. For every one of those accusers, there was a whole twisted back story.

And there were problems with a lot of them. They had sought money. Some of them had sold their stories. There were all sorts of problems that can come up.

So we never know when the powers that be decide not to use a witness, they may have a myriad of witnesses, a myriad of reasons that we don`t know about.

CHARLES: That`s exactly right. And also when a prosecutor puts together a case, at least a very skilled prosecutor, what they want to do is take it very succinct and effective. They don`t want overkill. They don`t want to confuse jurors. And you`re right, they want to make sure that there are no outside issues that can cause collateral damage to the point that they`re trying to make.



TOM MESEREAU, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Police and others thought there was a case and started constructing a case and broke the rules in doing so.

This has happened before. It`s like a train leaving the station. People jump on the train. Nobody wants to put on the brakes. Everybody starts convincing themselves that "When I was a child and looking back at what happened, I must have been molested."


VELEZ-MITCHELL: That was famed attorney, defense attorney Tom Mesereau, who of course, defended Michael Jackson successfully. Looking at the video there, boy, that takes me back to the 2005 Michael Jackson child molestation trial in California.

Everybody thought Michael Jackson was going to be convicted. There were so many people who staked their reputation on saying this guy`s going down. This is an open and shut case. Remember, the D.A., Tom Sneddon.

Well, I remember, I was in that trial for every single day. I remember when the jury was selected, there was one person who said, young man, "I visited Neverland as a child. And, wow, that really had an impact on me." They let him stay on the jury.

So what about the jury in this case? Could playing the Penn State loyalty card work for the defense with this jury? Seven out of 12 jurors have connections to Penn State university. The newest addition, juror No. 6, who just replaced another juror, she was an alternate and got on the case, she got her degree from Penn State. And get this: Jerry Sandusky spoke at her graduation ceremony.

Juror No. 7, a Penn State senior, works for the athletic department part time. These people, seven of them have serious ties to Penn State.

SUSAN CONSTANTINE, JURY CONSULTANT: Right. And you know what, Jane? My daughter also goes to Notre Dame. So I understand being in that community where everyone in the entire community really rallies on their team.

But here let me share something with you. The fact that we`ve got people that are on the jury that have a correlation with Penn State or graduated from there, they may have spoke at graduation, you know, it can go both ways.

One is, No. 1, they could be disgusted by the fact that this is someone representing their college. Or No. 2, could just be the complete opposite. I don`t know if I want to put Penn State on my resume, because everyone`s going to relate that to this Penn State scandal, which is these sexual allegations.

So it can go either way, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. But Beth Karas, we have seen in so many of these high-profile cases -- we`ve discussed Michael Jackson, O.J. Simpson, the Robert Blake case, remember him? "Beretta." It`s very hard to take somebody who is famous and convict them of a serious crime. And essentially, Jerry Sandusky is famous.

BETH KARAS, CORRESPONDENT, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": Yes, he is. And I have heard people describe him in this community as he is a celebrity in this community. Maybe not nationwide, although he`s known in the sports world, but in this community he`s the equivalent of all the celebrities you just named.

So that`s maybe why the defense didn`t ask to move the case. It was the attorney general`s office that thought maybe this should be moved elsewhere and the judge said, "Well, let`s try to pick a jury here." And of course they did. And they got a lot of ties to Penn State.

That`s not necessarily going to help the defense though, these ties to Penn State. There are plenty of people associated with Penn State -- I`ve been here for the last few weeks -- who are annoyed with Jerry Sandusky and just want to put this behind them and move on. Football season`s coming up end of August. The players will be -- well, some of them are already here. But they`ll be gearing up for their season. And they just want this put behind them.

However, some of these witnesses, you know, the jurors may kind of connect with some of the witnesses, the character witnesses.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m just playing devil`s advocate. We have no idea. The only thing I`ve learned with a high-profile case, never do an absolute prediction because so often these high-profile cases, it`s a runaway freight train. You don`t know what the heck`s going to happen.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Today lawyers are making their final case to the jury in the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse trial.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sandusky`s defense team gave theirs this morning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The system decided Mr. Sandusky was guilty. And the system set out to convict him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His refrain throughout to this jury: it doesn`t add up. It doesn`t make sense.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But then the prosecutor, Joe McGettigan, who wrapped up a short time ago with a powerful finish, then he walked over next to Jerry Sandusky as he wrapped up and he said, "He knows he did it. You know he did it. The kids can`t get back their souls. You have to find him guilty on all counts."


VELEZ-MITCHELL: The jury in the Jerry Sandusky child molestation trial just in the process of returning from their dinner break as we speak. They work through dinner. And they could have a verdict any moment now.

We are all over this story. We have been talking about the fact that as we show you video of Jerry Sandusky and all the hoopla really outside court, the jury has been deliberating for 18 hours. They are seven women, five men. And perhaps the most notable thing to say about them is that seven of the 12 have strong ties to Penn State. How will that cut? Will it cut for Jerry Sandusky? Or will they be so embarrassed by the scandal that they will want to punish Jerry Sandusky?

Meantime, the judge laid out some very fascinating instructions that I think might pose a challenge for the jury. He said, quote, "You may believe the defendant exercised poor judgment, but of itself that does not amount to criminality. It is the defendant`s intent, not the child`s reaction, that determines whether a crime was committed."

We have heard interviews that could reveal Sandusky`s intent. Listen to this from the

ERRY SANDUSKY, ON TRIAL FOR CHILD ABUSE: If I say, "No, I`m not attracted to boys", that`s not the truth because I`m attracted to young people -- boys, girls --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, but not sexually. You`re attracted because you enjoy spending time.

SANDUSKY: Right. I enjoy -- that`s what I was trying to say -- I enjoy spending time with young people. I enjoy --


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. That interview may be one reason of many why Jerry Sandusky did not take the stand ultimately.

Stacey Honowitz, Florida prosecutor, you know, these jury instructions, I have read so many of them and they are so convoluted. Sometimes it almost seems like they require you to throw common sense out the window. Sometimes these jurors, "Oh, I know what I`m going to do and then they get in there and they read these jury instructions that go on for pages and pages of gobbledygook and they don`t know what the heck to do.

STACEY HONOWITZ, FLORIDA PROSECUTOR: Yes. You know, you`re right, Jane. Sometimes the instructions do tend to confuse the jurors. But, you know, we always say in the beginning of the case, whatever you do, we ask you to leave your prejudice and bias outside the door but bring your common sense back in the room with you.

And so that`s what you`re seeing here. You`re seeing 48 counts. You`re seeing two weeks` worth of testimony. And you`re seeing victims come in and testify as to horrific acts versus a guy who`s beloved in the community.

And you`re right. It is very difficult when you have a celebrity in that field versus these kids. And the jurors are probably taking that into consideration. They also have to know that the elements of the crimes have been met. And they also have to think to themselves that these guys obviously deserve the academy award and are so hard-up for cash that they`ve come into a courtroom, talked about these horrific acts, cry and break down and sob and are able to relay all the old details.

So, yes, the instructions can be complicated. Sometimes it`s up to the prosecutor to lay them out in the easy fashion so they`re not confused when they go back.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Let`s go to the phone lines. Shay, Georgia, your question or thought, Shay.

SHAY, GEORGIA (via telephone): Hi, Jane. I was wondering if Jerry Sandusky`s wife is speaking to the adopted son that just made the allegations against Jerry?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh my gosh, you`ve gotten to the most fascinating part of this tragedy. Beth Karas, you got to wonder what Dottie Sandusky is thinking now that her adopted son, 33-year-old Matt, has come out right at the eleventh hour as soon as the jury goes into sequestration and says, "Oh, yes, Jerry Sandusky molested me too."

BETH KARAS, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Well, here`s the chronology, Jane. He was on the defense witness list. He was not called, obviously. After the prosecution rested its case in chief on Monday, within a day or so, he actually went public with all this. And then we`re learning it within the next few days. And it became clear that he could now be a prosecution witness.

But the judge wasn`t going to let the prosecution add a witness to their witness list and reopen their case in chief. However, it appears that Matt Sandusky could have been called on rebuttal. So if Jerry Sandusky got on the stand and said "I never molested my adopted son, Matt Sandusky," he could have testified. And that`s what kept Sandusky off the stand.

Adam Rendon, you are a sex abuse survivor, can you imagine how torn this young man must be? First he shows up with the family at court, supports his adoptive father, sits next to his mother, Dottie, who you`re looking at right there. And then during the course of the trial he ultimately comes public and says, "My dad did it to me too."

ADAM RENDON, SEX ABUSE SURVIVOR: Yes. I mean, sitting there, if you`re watching the trial and listening to everyone testify, I know you can feel the pent-up emotions that you`re trying to suppress and that he did suppress. And seeing everyone come out and tell their stories about what they did, I can totally, like, agree with him that it just comes out. That you feel so bad that why are you keeping this secret to protect your father?

I mean yes, he did raise you, but what he did to you was not always the best of things. And as he`s seeing everyone testify, he just felt the emotions come out and say, "I need to stand forward. I need to come out and tell them that my dad also did this to me to justify what everyone else is saying."

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We don`t want to convict him. The jury is deciding that as we speak. Right now we are on verdict watch. But I will say if he is guilty of any of what he is charged, 48 counts, it is the definition of evil.

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BREAKING NEWS SPECIAL REPORT: Sandusky Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts in Child Sex Abuse Case; Pennsylvania AG Speaks after Sandusky Guilty Verdict
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news, we are live. There is a verdict, after a long verdict watch in the case against renowned Sandusky.

I want to thank you for being with us. We are in a verdict watch, after many, many hours of waiting for the Sandusky jury to return, finally, we are getting word there is a verdict.

Despite the power, the privilege, the cover up alleged in this case, has a jury seen through it all in their attempt to reconcile the facts and evidence with the law?

Everything they`ve heard in this courtroom, it has been a painstaking trial. Dozens and dozens of experts, witnesses with testimony that made many of the jurors turn away in disgust. Is there a mistrial? Is there a guilty verdict?

With multiple counts, we are standing by at the courthouse to bring are you the very latest. All of us here at HLN, together, to bring you the verdict. We are going to go straight out to HLN news now anchor, Mike Galanos, joining us live. Mike, how do we know there`s a verdict?

MIKE GALANOS, HLN NEWS ANCHOR: Nancy, it was 15 minutes ago, after 20 hours and 57 minutes of deliberation, we got the word. The verdict is in. The jury has reached a verdict in the Jerry Sandusky sex abuse trial.

And Nancy, you have talked about it, the building tension, the building anticipation throughout the day. The jury wanted a read back of victim number two`s story, basically as told through Mike McQuery.

They wanted to hear what he had to say again and what Dr. Drainoff had to say who heard the story from McQueary and had questions as well about victim eight`s story and that is the story where a janitor said he saw Jerry Sandusky sexually assaulting a boy in the showers.

They wanted to know how they could apply that law as well. Interesting to note, Nancy, those are the two stories we don`t have a victim testimony, we have witness testimony on those two counts.
There are townspeople as far as the eye can see right now waiting with us in anticipation of the verdict in the Jerry Sandusky case.

GRACE: Everybody, we are live at the courthouse, bringing you the latest. We are in a verdict watch. And according to all the sources, a verdict has been rendered. It is just a matter of the judge assembling all the parties in the courtroom.

We are taking you live to the courthouse with the verdict. So many people across the country have been keeping an eye on this courtroom. So many child molestation victims have been watching this trial, victims that have never spoken out before.

With me there at the courthouse, Mike Galanos, HLN news now anchor and now joining me, "In Session" legal correspondent Beth Karas.

Now, Beth is not only a correspondent, but a trial lawyer herself. Beth Karas, I`m concerned about the readbacks, when I first heard about the readbacks of testimony the jury wanted to hear, it made me wonder if there was a juror hung up on those particular counts. Explain.

BETH KARAS, "IN SESSION," LEGAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, you needn`t worry, Nancy, because the jury zeroed in on if there were weaker counts, arguably the counts related to alleged victims two and eight would be weaker, only because they are unidentified.

And so, those counts were proven by the commonwealth, if the jury believes them, through other witnesses, eyewitnesses. But they don`t know who the little boy was in each case. So the jurors maybe wanted to just hear that testimony again just to satisfy themselves, perhaps that they were making the right decision either way.

GRACE: There are boys ranging from ages 9 to 17 at the time of the incidents. And as tough as it is for many of us to hear the facts, the acts range from simple inappropriate touching of young boys, as young as 9 years old to anal and oral sex testimony ranging from young boys allegedly screaming out during the molestation.

Again, back to simple inappropriate touching, I want to go back to you, Mike Galanos, HLN News Now. What do you think was the crucial testimony in this case, that if that didn`t sway the jury, nothing would?

GALANOS: And that was the strongest point from the prosecution when the closing arguments were given, Nancy, the genuine heartfelt testimony, the heart wrenching testimony in this courthouse behind from these now young men, then young boys who claim they went through these horrific, horrific times with Jerry Sandusky.

You know, Nancy, I had chance to talk you to one of the moms who was in that courtroom when her son testified. You mentioned little boys. She says she saw her son testifying and then looked up and they showed the picture in the courthouse of him as a little boy and she said it was excruciating.
It took this mom back to this innocent little boy and said he looked like a baby to me. He looked like he was 5 years old. That is the power of this case for the prosecution.

GRACE: To all of you out there with ears to listen and children to protect, this is a case that matters. This is a case where the jury must speak for those who could not speak for themselves at the time of these alleged molestations. We are live tonight here at HLN bringing you the verdict in the Sandusky molestation trial.


GRACE: Welcome back. We are live here at HLN tonight, bringing you the very latest there at the Sandusky trial. Take a look this is the scene going down right now.

We have just gotten word from our sources. A verdict has been render in the case against Jerry Sandusky, the famed coach there at Penn State. So far, we don`t have an inkling as to what that verdict going to be.

We know this, the jury has been out for hours and hours. Take a look. We are going to show you that jury clock. How long they have been out, only breaking in for meals and to ask for jury instructions and readbacks of key testimony.

We are live there at the courthouse. I want to go back to Beth Karas, legal correspondent, "In Session," and we are taking your calls, everybody, on the Sandusky verdict, as we wait for all parties to assemble in the courtroom.

Beth Karas, what would you say was the most wrenching and moving testimony during this trial? If you had to boil it down to one witness that really spoke to you, Beth Karas.

KARAS: Well, he was known as alleged victim number nine. He was the last of the eight victims to testify for the commonwealth. He`s only 18 years old. He just graduated from high school two weeks ago. And he was just pathetic and it was so sad and it was emotional for him.

He had an eye patch over his right eye because of an injury, but it just made him look even more fragile. And when he talked about the same thing we`ve seen with all the other witnesses, the grooming and how he was treated, it was -- it was heartbreaking.

But, Nancy, for him, this happened for years. Almost four years for him. He was really, according to him, brutally raped to the point where he bled and he used to throw his underwear away. And he was forced to perform sex acts on Mr. Sandusky. But Sandusky didn`t touch him in certain areas. Only was forceful with him.

And it was really sad and his mother was the very last witness for the commonwealth. And she said now, she wondered why her son had problems -- he would be sick. He had problems going to the bathroom and he would come home without his underwear, see, he was throwing them away. It was really sad.

GRACE: Beth, as you are recounting that, I am absolutely cringing to hear it. It`s reminding me of all the child molestation cases I prosecute. And it`s easy, Beth, to imagine, oh, this happened to somebody else far away in another state.

When people go home and they look at their own children, it could happen to them, with people that you trust. And when I hear the mother and the guilt she must be suffering, feeling like, why didn`t I know?
KARAS: Yes, you`re absolutely right, Nancy. Because the mother said, he used to tell me he didn`t want to go, but I would tell him go, because, you see, she was raising her son as a working mother with two jobs.

There was no father in his life. And, of course, she thought, wow, this is really great to have this really important man in this community paying attention to her son, taking him in every weekend, and it was Friday to Sunday for years. And those were from about the ages of 12 to 16.

She thought, oh, no, it`s good for you, good for you to be near Jerry Sandusky, a good father figure for him. And she didn`t know that this father figure was molesting and raping her son.

GRACE: You know, Beth, didn`t he testify--

KARAS: This is a child, by the way, who said he screamed -- he screamed for help, knowing Dottie was upstairs and she never came. She never came. She says she didn`t hear it, but he says he screamed for help knowing Dottie was upstairs.

GRACE: Beth, isn`t there testimony that he would give the boys gifts? Now that particular -- now I believe you said he is 18. He was 12 at the time?

KARAS: Well, that`s when it started, 12 to 16, yes, it was 12 to 16. And some of the counts, you know how it can be a higher count or more severe penalty if the victim is under a certain age? And so under -- he was under 13, but the way they charged everything, it was for the victim being under 16, because there`s a range and they can`t be specific on dates. But it started when he was 12.

GRACE: Joining me right now is Tom Kline, Kline the attorney for victim five. Kline attended the entire Sandusky trial, along with him and our panel. We are taking your calls.

Thomas in Virginia, hi, Thomas, what`s your question?

CALLER: Good evening, Nancy. My question is, did the judge give the jury specific instructions as to whether they could find say five out of the 10 victims, you know, Sandusky guilty of molesting five of the 10 victims or say 20 of the 48 charges against him that were carried forward--


GRACE: You mean, can they split the verdict, Thomas? You want to know if the jury can split the verdict?

CALLER: Right. Is that going to be a problem? Could that be a problem?
GRACE: Well, of course, no prosecutor wants to go through all this and get a split verdict. They want the whole enchilada. They want the whole thing. They want guilty on all counts.

But I`m going to go out to Tom Kline, the attorney, a very well-known attorney in his region, attorney for victim number five.

Tom Kline, of course the jury could split the verdict, if they want to, right?

THOMAS KLINE, ATTORNEY FOR VICTIM NUMBER FIVE: They certainly can. The jury basically has 10 cases, Nancy, which has 48 counts in it. And that, of course, could mean a mixed verdict. I think that a mixed verdict in this case actually could come down here.

This is the kind of verdict in central Pennsylvania with a central Pennsylvania jury, I think they`ll go through it meticulously, and carefully, and I wouldn`t declare a loss if there were even 24 or 36 counts that he`s found guilty of.

Every one of these counts carries a large penalty in jail. So, yes, there are 10 separate cases and there are 48 counts and this jury apparently went through them meticulously.

We know that because they asked for the read back of the McQueary testimony, and they asked for the read back as well of the janitor`s testimony.

GRACE: OK, guys, this is what we`re going to do very quickly as we wait for all the parties to assemble there in the courthouse. Everybody, we are live waiting for the Jerry Sandusky verdict to be announced in a courtroom. We`ve now confirmed there is a verdict in the Sandusky trial.
With me is the attorney for victim number five. Let`s go through the counts, so we all understand what`s on the table. The acts range from charges of simple inappropriate touching, such as rubbing up against a child`s buttocks or their penis, or anal and oral sex.

Let`s go through the counts. To Beth Karas, it`s my understanding there are nine counts of involuntary deviant sex intercourse, nine counts indecent assault, nine counts unlawful contact with minors, 10 counts corruption of minors, 10 counts endangering the welfare of children, one count criminal attempt to commit indecent assault.

But what it boils down to is indecent touching of a child and anal sex and oral sex of boys ranging from I think it was 9 to 17 years old at the time of the incidents, right?

KARAS: Yes. Well, I don`t know of anyone they know for sure is as young as 9. They charged everyone as under 16 but not under 13, which would have made it even higher, I think like a mandatory 40 years or something, a sentence, if they were under 13.

So while he met a lot of boys at that age, the tender age of 7, 8, 9, 10, it appears that the grooming occurred then, but the sex acts occurred a little bit later.
Nonetheless, you`re right about the list of counts. Some of those are misdemeanors, 22 of those are misdemeanors, and 26 of them are felonies. As Tom Kline just said, a lot of them carry some really heavy time.

So those nine involuntary deviant sexual intercourse charges each carry up to 20 years. Well, most of them do. Some of them have a little bit lighter sentence from an earlier sentencing statute. But it`s heavy time.

GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers. Joining me tonight, Sue Moss, New York. Kirby Clements, former prosecutor now defense attorney, Atlanta. Marla Chicotsky, defense attorney, Miami.

Bottom line, Sue Moss, he thought he was above the law. That these young boys were so overcome, they were so intimidated, they would never tell.

SUE MOSS, ATTORNEY: And that`s what he told them. He said, don`t tell, no one is going to believe you. Instead of Penn State, this guy is going to the penitentiary. That`s because of the absolutely compelling voices from these victims.

For me, the first victim who testified was the most compelling. He spoke and said in front of the jury, he treated me like I was his girlfriend. And I`m sure he looked straight into the eyes of each and every jury member when he made that claim.

They saw the passion, they saw the hurt, they saw the years of denial, everything that these kids have gone through. They listened, they heard, and I know they`re going to come back with a guilty verdict for at least the felonies of the people who we know the victims are.
They may come up with a not guilty for the people -- for the janitor victim, the victim we don`t know the name of, and also the victim that Mike McQueary was involved. But for the rest, it`s going to be guilty.

GRACE: To Mike Galanos, HLN "News Now" anchor, Mike, who was in the courtroom during the trial?

MIKE GALANOS, HLN ANCHOR: Well, I think one of the most powerful pockets of people in that courtroom were the accusers themselves, Nancy. I`m talking about during closing arguments. To walk into the courtroom and see victims one, four, six, and nine, and we`re talking about victims who were specifically mentioned by not only the prosecution, but for the defense, as well.

Because Joe Amendola, the defense attorney, went after these accusers in his closing arguments, talking about number one wanting money. That was one of his statements, that they`re out for a money grab here.

But the prosecutor came back in strong.
Nancy, we`re getting breaking news. It looks like behind me, we`re going to get some word here, but as of right now, you can see the throng of people, Nancy. The whole town is out. They want justice served here.

GRACE: Everybody, you are seeing the live shot there at a Sandusky courthouse. It looks like all hell is breaking loose. The courthouse is mobbed. The judge is keeping a tight rein on what`s going on in the courtroom.


GRACE: We are waiting to report what has happened in the courtroom. There is a ban on us relaying to you what`s happening in the courtroom until the judge allows it. But take a look at what`s going on at the courthouse right now.

We are live at the Sandusky courthouse, bringing you the case. Sandusky, facing a max of 472 years behind bars. This is the scene where justice has unfolded.

Mike Galanos, what`s going on in that courtroom? Hold on, I`m getting the verdict: 45 guilty counts, convicted. Three, not guilty. Guilty of 25 felonies. Guilty of 14 first degree felonies, 442 years max.

Out to you, Mike Galanos.

GALANOS: Nancy, we just got the same word you did. Guilty on 45 of 48 counts. And as that verdict became known to the public here, a cheer came out. You could feel an exhale of a community that they feel justice has been served.

Jerry Sandusky, guilty on 45 of 48 counts against these young boys. He stole the souls of these young boys and now he`s going to pay the price.
GRACE: Jerry Sandusky, all the power, all the privilege, all the fame, has now been found guilty. Major felonies there at the Sandusky trial, 45 guilty counts. Nobody thought it could be done. Nobody believed that a jury would have faith in the testimony of what were then young boys, young boys, Mike Galanos. They were in the courtroom supporting each other, listening to all the testimony from the get-go.

Describe the scene, Galanos.

GALANOS: Nancy, right now -- and Jay, our cameraman, Jay, if you could just show Nancy and our viewers the throng of people that has come out.

Nancy, these people showed up with their lawn chairs and listen to them, Nancy. As these verdicts are read, guilty, 45 of 48 counts. You can hear these people cheering. And they`re not cheering for sport, they`re cheering for justice served, as you mentioned, for little boys who had their souls, their childhood stolen.
And I can only imagine the emotion now from some of these victims. They are no longer alleged victims, they are victims. And now, Nancy, as I can, talking to one of the moms, another step in the healing process is now under way.

GRACE: Joining me right now, in addition to Beth Karas and Mike Galanos, our colleague, Vinnie Politan.

Vinnie Politan, what do you know?

VINNE POLITAN, HLN ANCHOR: Nancy, 45 out of 48, absolute victory for prosecutors here and I think we all can exhale. It was difficult, because we were all there in Orlando, Nancy, last year and you never know what`s going to happen. But here in this courtroom, those survivors, those survivors who testified tonight, Nancy, are getting justice.

GRACE: You know, Vinnie Politan, when I heard the jury wanted read backs of testimony involving some of the key allegations against Sandusky, my heart just sank. I could not believe that a jury was hung up on some of these counts.

And I was so afraid it was going to end in not guilty because they didn`t want to believe these victims or because there may have been a mistrial.

There you see Sandusky, Jerry Sandusky, after all of these years, years and years of raping little boys, he is finally going to jail. And you heard the testimony of one of these mothers, who said her little boy kept saying, mommy, I don`t want to go, I don`t want to go. And she made him go, thinking it was an opportunity for him.
And she couldn`t understand all of his health problems, all of his issues. And now finally, she spoke as the last witness for the state. Sandusky goes to jail.

Back out to you, Vinnie Politan. You heard the testimony. You were there. Weigh in.

POLITAN: This is a big moment, because think about what it took for these survivors to come forward, to come into court and to tell their stories for everyone to hear, for the world to hear, for the jury to hear.

These are things these men never, ever wanted to talk about. And then to have to do it in such a public way, but tonight, you know, they see a result of that and that brings these survivors one step closer in the healing process. It moves things along.

I`ve spoke to so many other survivors, of other abusers out there in Bellefonte. And to a man, each of them said getting up there, facing your accuser -- or facing your abuser becomes an empowering moment, to get into court and say what they said.

And tonight to have the result that they are getting, I`m so happy for these survivors that what this jury said is that, yes, you are a victim, yes, you told the truth, we believe you.
And to have these people believe them beyond any and all reasonable doubt brings them closer to healing, Nancy.

GRACE: I want to go back to Mike Galanos, joining me in addition to Vinnie Politan and now Jean Casarez is joining us there at the courthouse.

Mike, I remember with every child molestation case I tried, I would tell the victim, and they were children, it doesn`t matter what happens, you just know somebody believes you. Somebody believes you, and I think that`s what mattered here. I really do.

GALANOS: Nancy, to go along with what Vinnie said, I`ve had a chance to talk to survivors, survivors who come forward now. And after this, a lot more survivors are going to have the courage to come forward, knowing there are people that believe them, that believe their story, no matter what a predator might say, because so many will tell them, don`t you tell anybody, nobody is going to believe you anyway.

So many of these survivors said that about Jerry Sandusky, that they couldn`t take on this big, powerful man in this community. They couldn`t tell their story because they wouldn`t believe him. Well, they believed them today. They believed them in this courtroom behind me. And now they have justice.

GRACE: You know what? Mike, you couldn`t have said it any more perfectly than you just did. Joining me right now, along with Mike Galanos there at the courthouse, everybody, we are live here at the hour of 10:18 Eastern time with a verdict that has just been handed down in the Sandusky trial, after weeks of testimony and hours and hours, days of deliberation.
Many of us thought the jury would mistry. But they didn`t let down lady justice. A verdict has been handed down. Sandusky convicted on 45 out of 48 crimes, 25 of those are felonies.

Straight out to Jean Casarez, standing by. She`s been in the courtroom from the get-go. Jean Casarez, weight in.

JEAN CASAREZ, TRUTV REPORTER: Nancy, I was sitting in that courtroom, and the silence was deafening because we knew there was a verdict and we were waiting. And there was one pew in that courtroom that was empty, and some people tried to sit in it and they moved those people out.

And in came a woman and two younger women, and they sat there. And I said to myself, who are they? Who are they? And all of a sudden, in came victim number six. This is the first young man in 1998 whose mother went to authorities and they didn`t believe him.

He came and he sat and he was so nervous. And as he was looking down. And his mother was so nervous. And as he sat there, and as they started to read the verdict, the foreperson read the verdict, one after the other, his mother just burst into tears.

They were silent tears, but she was holding her son`s hands so tight. And I think that she is so important, because she`s the original one that went to law enforcement. And maybe charges weren`t brought in 1998, but in 2001, when victim one came forward, they said, wait a minute, we had something in `98 and that corroborated number one.

That gave him credibility and that`s one reason why this investigation went forward. And she was in that room tonight. When they got to victim number six, they found indecent assault not guilty for him, his first top charge.

He was welling with tears in his eyes as his own charges rang out. The rest of them were guilty. But you could tell the joy in his family. But still the emotion in him from what he had endured so long ago.
GRACE: You know what, jean? Just hearing you tell me about that, it`s so upsetting to hear after all these years, that was in 1998, his mother brought her little boy to the police station and they tried.

Jean Casarez, prior to the verdict, we were all waiting to find out, is the verdict coming, is the verdict coming? And Jean texted and was emailed, "something is up," because the courtroom is filling up, but there`s a whole row empty and I don`t know what it`s for, but this means something.

This is the first time she had seen that the entire trial. And we knew that someone very important was going to come in and sit in that seat. A very important witness came in, the first victim outcry in the Sandusky trial.

Jean Casarez, I`ve been asking various people that were in the courtroom from the get-go, from the very beginning, what they think is the single most compelling testimony of this trial, and I`ve been waiting to hear your answer, Jean.

CASAREZ: You know, Nancy, I don`t want to select a victim, because they were all compelling in their own right. Every single one of them had a story to tell and their story was emotional and it was real and it was different.
There was a pattern, but there were differences. They were all compelling. I think that one thing that shocks me tonight is that accuser number two, who did not come forward, or who is deceased, we don`t know, Mike McQueary gave such vivid testimony of the position that he was in the showers with who he said was Jerry Sandusky, the jury found not guilty on involuntary deviant sexual intercourse for victim two.

Everything else was guilty for him, but not for that.


GRACE: To -- Jean Casarez, I want to find out exactly what was McQueary`s testimony? Give it to me in a nutshell. What did he observe and who -- tell the viewers, who is McQueary?

CASAREZ: Mike McQueary, he was the defensive graduate assistant coach at that time under Joe Paterno in 2001. He went to the coach`s shower room that night because he wanted to put some sneakers in, do some work. He saw the showers on, heard the showers on, heard sexual noises, heard slapping noises.

He looked, he saw a little boy`s hands facing the wall and on the wall. And he saw a man right behind the little boy with his hands around the waist. And he heard those noises.

He then slammed his locker so hard and he broke it up, he said. And then they came out and they jumped and he saw Jerry Sandusky and he saw a little boy about 10 or 11 years old. That was the testimony of Mike McQueary.
GRACE: And, Jean Casarez, what year was that?

CASAREZ: 2001.

GRACE: And what, if anything, did McQueary do?

CASAREZ: Mike McQueary immediately went to his father and that came out in testimony, because it was an excited utterance. And he said, I heard sexual sounds and I saw Jerry Sandusky and I saw a little boy.

They called a family friend, a physician, who testified for the defense, but testified that Mike was so distraught and he was shaking, this graduate assistant coach, that he could hardly talk, but he said that he heard sexual noises, slapping sounds. And the doctor kept saying, what did you see, what did you see?

And he said Mike clammed up and he just couldn`t say anymore. That was testimony for the defense.

GRACE: Did they go to police?

CASAREZ: He went to Joe Paterno, and Joe Paterno went to a vice president - - two vice presidents of Penn State University. Nobody went to police.

GRACE: Straight out to Cory Giger, host of "Sports Central" at ESPN 1450.

Cory, thank you for being with us. I want to hear your thoughts, Cory.

CORY GIGER, HOST, "SPORTS CENTRAL," ESPN 1450: Nancy, this is just an evil man who founded a charity to help kids, who were from troubled pasts. And what did he do? He preyed on those kids and molested them and he will rot in prison for the rest of his life, he will rot in hell for all of eternity.

And we finally got to see justice. And I`ve been listening to all your guests here talk about all of these children. And that`s what it`s all about, is keeping our minds on these kids whose lives were destroyed by this evil, evil person.

But at least hopefully those children, their families will get some peace out of this with all these guilty verdicts tonight.

GRACE: Straight back to Mike Galanos joining us. He`s there at the courthouse.
I want to hear what happened in the courtroom as the verdict was announced. I want to hear what you know about what happened in the courtroom?

GALANOS: Well, I know we`re getting new word, Nancy, about what is going on with the Sanduskys as they are reeling after this, obviously, holding, hugging as now justice is served. And as Cory just said, Jerry Sandusky is going to spend the rest of his life behind bars. That we know.

And, Nancy, I want to share one other thing with you. Right behind me just a couple of minutes ago were two little boys. As I`ve been listening to Jean and recounting and I remember my conversations with the mom I talked to. And I looked at these little guys behind me, and one of them was holding a dog, innocent little boys.
And it brought it back to me, that`s who we`ve been talking about all along, not about numbers, not about victim one, two, or 10, but little boys. That`s who we were talking about. Victimized then, survivors today.

GRACE: We are live at the Sandusky trial, bringing you the news straight out of the courtroom. Jerry Sandusky now stands convicted of child molestation, 45 out of 48 counts, including 25 felonies. He will serve the rest of his life behind bars. And the whole time his family stood by him and refused to believe any of this happened.

We are taking your calls. Out to Kim in Washington. Hi, Kim, what`s your question?

CALLER: Hi, Nancy. I watch you all the time. I just wanted to ask, what happened with Sandusky`s stepson? And also what will happen with his wife down the road if they decide to sue like a civil suit, will she be in trouble at all?

GRACE: To Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session." Can you answer those questions?

CASAREZ: You know, Nancy, there was some -- can you repeat the question?

GRACE: Yes, number one, she wants hear about the stepson of Sandusky, and she also wants to find out will there be civil lawsuits and what is going to happen to Sandusky`s wife, if there are civil lawsuits?

CASAREZ: All right. Let me start with Sandusky`s wife. I saw her walk into the courtroom tonight with her children it seemed like all around her. But for one, that`s Matt Sandusky. She was chewing some gum in the front row. She was listening, non-emotional to everything.
As far as Matt Sandusky, that is the adopted son, whose attorneys came out with a press release yesterday, for the very first time, saying he had finally come forward, able to talk that he had been abused by Jerry Sandusky. He also was the second child that was adopted by the Sanduskys.

And as far as civil suits, you better believe there are going to be a lot of civil suits. A lot of civil suits. Will they bring in Dottie Sandusky? Potentially. But it`s Penn State University, I think, that`s going to be the major, major person that is targeted with these civil suits.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Sue Moss, Kirby Clements, Marla Chicotsky.

Kirby Clements, nobody is going to be exempt from these civil suits. They`re going to sue the university, they`re going to sue the family. And I don`t care if they have tried to move assets to the wife or the father or whoever`s name, the court will trace any money movement back for years, and pull that money back into the estate for these lawsuits.
KIRBY CLEMENS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You`re absolutely right. I mean, what they will do is they will sue Jerry Sandusky and then allege that any transfer of that money is a fraudulent transfer designed to hide his assets. They may sue the wife because if she was there when some of these things occurred, especially that testimony we heard about the young boy crying out, I mean, the wife can get dragged in.

Penn state, they`re definitely going to get dragged in. I mean, as a former sex crimes prosecutor --

GRACE: Hey, hey, hey, wait a minute, Kirby Clemens. Don`t tell me they`re going to get dragged in, Penn State is going to get dragged in. They walked in when they did not call police in 1998! They are in, Kirby Clemens!

CLEMENS: That is inexcusable. As much as I would love to try to defend them, I can`t explain why they wouldn`t have called the police. I`m a former sex crimes prosecutor and I got to tell you, when an educator is informed of a sexual abuse of child, at least in New York, there was a law you had to report it.

That being said, Penn state, not dragged, they jumped in, apparently eagerly, and they will be sued. I think perhaps the one victim here, apart from the young boys, is really going to be Mr. Sandusky`s wife, because this woman is now coming to realize that her husband was a pedophile, who was victimizing boys under their roof, and she was taking --I mean, all throughout this trial, she stood by him but now one of her own children is saying he abused me, as well.

GRACE: Well, you know what, that`s your interpretation.

To Marla Cichowski, defense attorney joining me out in Miami. Prosecuting child molestation cases, it`s hard enough in themselves, because a lot of jurors don`t believe the testimony of little children and think it`s all made up.

But when years have passed and when money is on the line; that is something the defense attorneys will go after, impeaching the victim. Yes, no?

MARLA CICHOWSKI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, absolutely. Bias and motive are the main things and targets that defense attorneys use on victims. It`s not always the best tactic, but it`s one of the only ones they have, especially in this case. So when there`s money at stake, they`re definitely going to try to expose that.

GRACE: For those of you just joining us, the famed coach Jerry Sandusky has been convicted. A cheer went up around that courthouse when the verdict was announced and there`s a reason for that. Because these victims have gone for years with no voice, with no one to stand up for them.

When the first victim went to the police with his mother, his mother took him 1998 to tell police the famed, the great Jerry Sandusky was performing anal sex on little boys, all these mommies, sending their boys to the Second Mile charity group, thinking they would have a better life.

This little boy would go home without underwear and all these problems using the bathroom, all kinds of physical problems and the mom didn`t understand why. And the little boy didn`t want to go, she made him go so he could have a better life. But what did he get is there he got Jerry Sandusky forcing anal and oral sex on him.

And for all of you victims out there, speaking as a crime victim myself, this should give you hope and give you faith that somebody believes you and somebody will fight for you. That you don`t have to keep fighting.

Back out to Mike Galanos. I understand there is still one of the victims, victim number six, who is still in the courtroom crying, crying.

GALANOS: Nancy, the emotional release, I don`t even think we can put it into words what these survivors are now going through, as they have victory. They have justice served. And a massive leap in the healing process.

Nancy, I want to share with you, one of the things that we look back, what does this look like as far as the pain inflicted by Jerry Sandusky. The mom that I talked to, she was -- she is a strong woman. And as I spoke to her and she fought back and she said something wasn`t right and this and I knew it and she thinks back, wishing she would have done something else, wanting to turn the clock back but she can`t.
GRACE: With me -- Mike Galanos is also with me. Jean Casarez.

I want to go out now to a special guest, Catherine Torres, survivor of childhood sex abuse. Catherine joining me tonight out of Dallas, Texas. She`s been standing by, waiting for this verdict.

Catherine, what will this mean to these victims?
CATHERINE TORRES, CHILDHOOD SEX ABUSE SURVIVOR: You know, I absolutely agree with the statements. I`ve been in law enforcement for years because of what I went through, and I`ve got to tell you the most important thing is the confirmation today from the jury that they were believed. That is their very first step in truly healing, is that they were believed. You cannot heal whenever you believe that everybody thinks that you`re a liar.

GRACE: Joining me right now, out of cave creek, Arizona, retired police captain CW Jensen.

You know, I don`t want to come down on the cops too hard, but in my book if they had believed the victim in 1998, endless rapes of children could have been stopped. Why do you believe -- do you think some of those cops knew Sandusky and just couldn`t believe it?

CW JENSEN, RETIRED POLICE CAPTAIN: Nancy, I do. I`ve actually been to state college. I`ve met the PSU cops. They`re great people. I just believe that this must have been so difficult --

JOE AMENDOLA, JERRY SANDUSKY`S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The Sandusky family is very disappointed obviously by the verdict of the jury, but we respect their verdict. You may recall for those of you who have been with this case from the beginning, that we said that we had --

GRACE: Everybody we are live at the courthouse. Here is Defense attorney Joe Amendola.

AMENDOLA: The charges filed against him, that he had been determined to be guilty by the public and the media from the very outset of the charges and that we had an uphill battle. I used the analogy that we were attempting to climb Mt. Everest from the bottom of the mountain.

Well, obviously we didn`t make it. We always felt -- we always felt that Jerry`s fairer shake would come from a center county jury and we still believe that. The jury obviously believed the commonwealth`s evidence, believed the commonwealth`s witnesses. That`s clear from the verdict.
I`ve been asked already inside is that a surprise? No, it was the expected outcome, because of the overwhelming amount of evidence against Jerry Sandusky. You may also recall that we asked for a continuance on a number of occasions on the basis we need more time to sift through the thousands of pages of materials to determine what other types of defenses we might have. But due to judicial constrictions, we were forced to proceed to trial at this time.

I think most of you would have agreed with me that had someone said last November and December we would have a trial in early June, that you would have agreed that was not very likely at all. And yet here we are with a trial that`s concluded and it`s still the latter part of June after three weeks in court. We have some appeal issues we`ll pursue. We feel we have some decent appeal issues. I do want to say --

GRACE: OK, everybody. This is the defense lawyer whining that he asked for continuances and he didn`t get them. OK.
According to me, they`ve had time since 1998 to prepare their defense. That`s when the first child victim was taken to the police station.

Joining me right now is a special guest who witnessed the verdict, Carine Zimmerman.

Hi. Thank you for being with us. What did you see in the courtroom when the verdict came down?

CARINE ZIMMERMAN, WITNESSED THE VERDICT: It was very silent. It was dead silent. No one moved. And we just watched Sandusky, actually his face just go blank as they kept reading.

GRACE: Did he think after all these years that he could just keep on raping children and never be brought to justice?

ZIMMERMAN: Well, I heard he told one of the victims that he said he`d never be convicted, and I really honestly -- because he is a celebrity around here, I was kind of worried.

GRACE: You were there for almost all the testimony Carine Zimmerman, and I would like to know which piece of the evidence affected you the most?

ZIMMERMAN: The victims. When they got up on the stand, it was heartbreaking. I couldn`t imagine being them.

GRACE: When you say you could not imagine being them, what part of their testimony, what aspect of their testimony made you feel that way?

ZIMMERMAN: Basically how they trusted him and they let him down and I`m sure they were afraid no one would believe him.
GRACE: Everybody, we are live at the courthouse. And hearing Carine Zimmerman describe the silence that fell over that courtroom when the verdict was announced and the way Sandusky just went blank, having stated that he would never be convicted.

I got a surprise for you, Sandusky, you`re looking at about 400 years behind bars.

With me, Dr. Marty Makary, physician and professor of public health from Johns Hopkins.

Dr. Makary, thank you for being with us on this -- this what I consider to be a momentous night for victims all over our country.

Dr. Makary, we`ve heard a lot about oral and anal assaults on these little boys, and I want to find out what effect this will have on them. You have dealt with assault victims, and I don`t understand why so many people did not believe them.
DOCTOR MARTY MAKARY, PHYSICIAN AND PROFESSOR OF PUBLIC HEALTH FROM JOHNS HOPKINS: Beyond the physical damage, there`s traumatic psychological damage, Nancy. They have trouble concentrating in schools. They have trouble in future relationships and sadly a small fraction will go on to abuse other children in their distant future.

So there`s a lot of consequences. Today`s outcome is a partial victory for the 4,500 kids that come to emergency rooms every day in the United States and have some background of sexual abuse. Ninety nine percent of those kids will have the person that did that crime never identified, never arrested, never put behind bars.

So what happens today is actually a very significant achievement in this issue and for all the people that have struggled after having been sexually abused.

GRACE: Doctor Makary, when those children -- I mean, when I would deal with child molestation victims, it would be when I was preparing to take the case to trial. And many times, that was before we had DNA that we could bring before a jury. So I would have them months after the incident, maybe longer. When you have seen these children in the hospital, what is their demeanor, Doctor Makary?

MAKARY: Well, it`s conflicted. Because on one hand, most of the time it`s somebody that they know, someone they actually care about. And yet they feel so wronged and violated. So they feel this constant sense of conflict. And for most of the cases, there`s really no good way to get at exactly what happened, though. We are relying on one person. They may not know the details, and it`s a very difficult situation. You rely on a pattern, which is why these people who spoke up are heroes. They`re heroes of everybody else. And if you look at the affect Jerry Sandusky, the Bob Kasas` interview, inappropriate.

GRACE: OK. We are going back live to the courthouse. Let`s take a listen. Now speaking, Sandusky`s defense.
AMENDOLA: The question is, why would that come forward? Now, you have to ask Matt. But, you may remember is what I`m going to say is exactly what you just commented. You may remember the first day of trial, Matt was seated with his family and actually according to family members during the testimony of one of the witnesses, was kind of mocking the witness and indicating that he didn`t believe what the witness was saying.

We had no idea what happened. And that`s something that Matt and whoever represents him will have to tell you later. Yes. We anticipated Matt would be one of our witnesses and we were shocked by it. His family was absolutely shocked by it. His parents, his siblings were distraught by it. But nevertheless, that`s what we were facing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did Jerry tell you about that?
AMENDOLA: Jerry said that Matt has had problems ever since Matt was with them. And that these problems had led matt at times to do things that were irrational. Matt had had problems as a juvenile and that there were explanations for it.

But unfortunately, as I said to Jerry, that if Matt testified, because this of the fact that this was a surprise situation, the jury would undoubtedly believe him, regardless of what evidence they had.


AMENDOLA: Jerry indicated he was disappointed by the verdict. But obviously he has to live with it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is he on suicide watch?

AMENDOLA: I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was Matt living in the house when the trial started?

AMENDOLA: Matt, I can`t say was living in the house, but his parents told me Matt had been staying there temporarily recently. And apparently there`s some issue with his home life where he was staying with his parents.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are some of the grounds for the --

AMENDOLA: Well, we had the continuance request, for one. We had the inability of at least one of our expert to appear in court. We have of the moment of discovery materials that we got as close as two to three weeks before the trial which we didn`t have a chance to review.
I mean, I don`t know what you folks thought about the trial, but we were running in days by the seat of our pants just trying to catch up. Maybe it didn`t look like that, but that`s the condition we found ourselves in.

We also have some trial issues. We have some evidentiary issues which will address oppose sentence motions which can`t be file until after the sentencing.

Is that it, folks? Essentially, the sentence that Jerry will receive will be a life sentence just due to


GRACE: You are hearing from Sandusky`s defense there, outside the courthouse. He is blaming the conviction on everything from the judge`s refusal to allow them a continuance in the trial, to the stepson, who has come forward saying he too was molested by Sandusky claiming it started at age 11.

We are waiting to find out if the jurors are coming out of that courthouse to speak. They may very well do that. Let`s see who`s coming out right now. More people coming out of the courtroom.

CROWD: Justice!

LINDA KELLY, PENNSYLVANIA ATTORNEY GENERAL: Good evening, everyone. And thank you all for your patience tonight. I`m attorney general Linda Kelly, and joining me are members of the prosecution team and investigators on this case. Some of whom you probably recognize from their roles in the courtroom, and --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Your microphone is not on.


KELLY: Can you hear me? OK.


KELLY: OK. All right. And others who you may recognize from their behind the scenes work in this case. We have Joseph Magettigan (ph).

KELLY: Frank (INAUDIBLE) and Janelle (INAUDIBLE) from the attorney generals who were the trial team in this case. Major Brett Wagner from the Pennsylvania state police. Special agent Tony Sosano.


KELLY: And regional director Randy Feathers from our state college office.

These men and women, along with many other agents, troopers, investigators, attorneys, and other staff of the attorney general`s office of Pennsylvania and the Pennsylvania state police have worked tirelessly for the last few years to bring these charges to light, to bring this case to court, and to see the day that this defendant, a serial child predator, who committed horrific acts upon his victims, causing life-long and life-changing consequences for all of them, has been held accountable for his crimes.

KELLY: And I`d like to thank each of the individuals that I just mentioned for the very important role that they played in bringing this case to today`s verdict. I also want to offer my most sincere thanks to all the young men, the victims in this case, who came forward to bravely testify during this trial.


KELLY: And to finally put a stop to the crimes that have been committed by this defendant. They have shown great strength and courage during this investigation. Candidly and sometimes chillingly, telling their stories to not on the jury and a packed courtroom audience here in Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, but also to the entire world.

It was incredibly difficult for some of them to unearth long-buried memories of the shocking abuse they suffered at the hands of this defendant. And most of us cannot possibly fully comprehend what they endured when testifying in that packed courtroom.

This trial was not something that they sought, but rather something that forced them to face the demons of their past and to reveal what happened to them and their childhood when they met Jerry Sandusky.

We hope that our search for justice in this case will help them and other victims who perhaps have been watching from afar and perhaps nearby as this case unfolded. One of the recurring themes of the witnesses` testimony, which came from the voices of the victims themselves in this case was who would believe a kid? And the answer to that question is we here in Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, would believe a kid.

KELLY: And I think I speak for not only my own agency but law enforcement across the country when we say we would believe a kid. And as reflected by this verdict that we`ve all just heard, a jury of 12 people here in Bellefonte, P.A., most definitely would and did believe a kid.


KELLY: Although we know the scars that these victims bear cannot be erased by the events in a courtroom, we hope that the outcome of this case not only allows these victims to heal and to begin the process of recovering and rebuilding their lives, but that it also encourages other victims of sexual abuse to come forward.

This is a crime that thrives in darkness. It`s fed by fear and threats, shame and secrecy where predators seek, carefully seek, the most vulnerable prey. While often they, themselves, are cloaked in respectability that is almost sometimes beyond reproach.

Of all the thousands of cases that stream through our judicial system, every once in a while, one will, for a brief moment, capture the attention of the eyes of the world, mesmerizing us until it plays itself out and its stardom begins to fade. I think that we`ve all recognized since the return of the grand jury presentment in this case, in this matter, that this was one of those uncommon cases and that the eyes of the world have since then been upon us.

You, the media, have covered the proceedings in this case with exceptional attentiveness and thoroughness and you have produced much thoughtful commentary and insightful analysis over the course of this trial. Resulting, I think, in the raising of -- resulting in the raising of the consciousness of your readers and listeners.

Sir, I will answer that question, if you wait until the end of this. Resulting in the raising of the consciousness of your readers and listeners and increased awareness by the public of the monstrous acts that can be committed by sexual predators like the defendant in this case who lived among us, who may appear to be pillars of the community, coaching icons, sports legends, and charitable executive extraordinaire, but who calculatingly and with meticulous planning, mercilessly prey upon the most vulnerable members of our society. They carefully select their victims.

In this case, as you know, underprivileged kids, kids from broken homes, foster homes, one-parent families, and many of them having other issues, like learning, behavioral and emotional problems to deal with as well. And all of whom in their time of need turned to the charity known as the second mile where they knew -- where we now know that Jerry Sandusky trolled for victims.

There are many important lessons that can be learned from this case. One of them is that we can`t let the national focus that this case has brought upon child sexual abuse fade after these cameras are turned off and the media has shifted their attention to the next important story.

We have to continue to focus on child sexual abuse and to shine a bright light in those dark, dark places where the Jerry Sandusky of the world lurk. Places which definitely exist in our society.
We need to protect our children and learn from the lessons of this case. And as for those who fail to respond to reports of child sexual abuse, their behavior is abominable, and has tragic consequences for young victims like the ones you heard from during the last two weeks.

These kids need our help, they need our support and we, as a society, must not turn our backs, close our eyes or try to convince ourselves it doesn`t exist when, in fact, it does exist.

This is a law enforcement issue and every police department and investigative agency across the country should take note of this case and ensure that every claim of child sexual abuse is addressed promptly and investigated thoroughly. With the understanding that where there`s one victim, there very likely are more.

This is also an institutional issue. Every institution that comes in to contact with children should operate under the premise that it`s their legal responsibility to report suspected child abuse. The legal part of this is easy to grasp but more importantly, there`s a moral and ethical imperative to do so. Concealing or attempting to minimize this type of crime is unacceptable as well as unconscionable and should not and cannot be tolerated.

This is also a family issue. And hopefully parents across the country will learn from this case how important it is to be vigilant about your child`s personal interactions with others and to make sure that your child is conscious of their own safety and aware that they must report these types of incidents.

And finally, this is a community issue, because outside of our roles as prosecutors and police officers and professionals. We all have an interest in keeping our communities and particularly our children, safe and secure and protecting our children who really are truly our most valuable natural resource. And they should always be our priority.

Every one of us has a responsibility to be aware of the possibility of this type of crime and to speak out if you note something troubling. I thank all of you for your patience and your dedication in covering this case. Your work, your work, too, has carried this story and the lessons that go hand in hand with it far beyond the borders of center county and it`s helped immeasurably to raise awareness about this kind of issue.

If there are people out there watching right now who have been victims of sexual abuse, as part of any case any where I encourage you to contact authorities in your community and seek the support and assistance that you need. There are no instant solutions to this problem but you working together, we can hope to make progress.

GRACE: Everyone, we are live at the Sandusky courthouse. A verdict has been handed down in coach Sandusky`s trial. He has been found guilty. Speaking now, the prosecution.
KELLY: The commonwealth`s interest in a case like this in this kind of criminal prosecution is not merely to win the case, but to see that justice shall be done. The two-fold aim of which is that guilt shall not escape nor innocence suffer.

Our goal here has always been to bring about a fair and a just result in this case. That goal has been accomplished with the jury`s verdict today. And we believe that justice has been served.

Thank you very much. And--

KELLY: I would like to give the state police here a chance to say a few words.

BRET WAGGONER, DIRECTOR, PENNSYLVANIA BUREAU OF CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION: Thank you, General Kelly. My name major Bret Waggoner, the Pennsylvania State Police. I`m the director of the bureau of criminal investigation. I stand here as representative of the commissioner of the state police colonel Frank Noonan. I echo the comments put up by General Kelly and I thank her and her agency for the cooperation which we received throughout this investigation. I salute the prosecutors that prosecuted this case. I think that we all saw what this gentleman did in the courtroom. I salute him for that.

But there was a lot of other work by the prosecution that went unseen. And that was Mr. Frank Finn and his staff and what they put together to bring this to a success.


WAGGONER: The officers and agents from the Pennsylvania state police and the attorney general assigned to this case --

GRACE: You are now hearing a succession of speakers who have been in the courtroom. I want to go out to Marc Klaas.

Marc, what does this mean for victims, this guilty verdict?

MARC KLAAS, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, there`s several things that still need to be addressed. I mean, this huge burden has been lifted off of these young men`s shoulders, but I think neither the state nor Penn State University can continue to fail to support these kids.

Many of these young men may need a lifetime of psychological counseling. That can get incredibly expensive and somebody is going to have to pick up that cost as they try to reconcile their lives, what went on today, and put themselves back in some semblance of order so that they can continue to live positive lives.

Now, Nancy, I think that the prosecutor, I think that the attorney general gave a very good summary. And I think that people around the country have to be looking for the warning signs.
First of all, the warning signs of abuse, what kind of kids are subject to it? In this case, it was at-risk kids, kids from single-family homes, needy kids.

GRACE: You know, you`re right about that. When you take a look at the victims, Marc Klaas, everybody, we are live there at the courthouse, bringing you the latest in the guilty verdict that has been handed down against renowned Coach Jerry Sandusky.

You mentioned another thing, Marc Klaas, that there could be a lifetime of counseling. You know, when you and I were crime victims, we were adults. These guys were children.

KLAAS: Yes, no, they absolutely were children. The most vulnerable people in our society. And for years and years, they kept a horrible secret or they couldn`t find people that would believe them when they told the truth.

They are reconciling their sexual identity. They have to deal with the shame. They have to deal with the guilt that they have gone through. It`s a huge burden that they still carry. But as everybody has mentioned--

KELLY: I can say that this is an ongoing investigation. It continues. So, we can`t speculate on whether or not there will be future charges but we are continuing to look into this.


I`m sorry?

KELLY: Well, that trial hasn`t been scheduled yet. There`s no trial date yet. So we can`t tell you when that trial will go forward. And as I said, this is an ongoing investigation.

GRACE: We are still waiting. We are hoping we may hear from some of the jurors that handed down this verdict.

Very quickly, Dr. Leslie Seppinni, what do these victims still have to face for the rest of their lives?

DR. LESLIE SEPPINNI, PSYCHOLOGICAL EXPERT: You know, Nancy, I never thought in my lifetime I would see this happen, and I can say as somebody a victim of child molestation and rape at the age of 15, where I went through the same kind of thing they went through, it`s really -- it`s a lifetime of nightmares.

It`s a lifetime of feeling like, are you dirty? How are you going to tell your potential spouse or significant other? It`s -- it`s looking over your shoulder and wondering, is someone behind you?
It`s just a lifetime of counseling, as the other gentleman said. And it comes and goes and there`s times you`re doing really, really great and then there`s times where something happens that triggers these emotions that are not real in the time of your life today, but they never go away.

And the great news about today, which, like I said, I never thought I would see in my lifetime, is that these molesters can no longer control us, humiliate us, and harm us. And the message is molesters beware and adults who should be responsible for children need to be responsible.

And I`m just really grateful for today and this opportunity for people to know what these gentlemen need and the kids are going to need who are still going through this.

GRACE: You know, Leslie, as you`re speaking, I can see--


GRACE: -- you`re in tears.

SEPPINNI: Yes. I`m grateful. I`m so grateful.
GRACE: It`s hard to verbalize, for victims of violent crime, like you, like me, like Marc Klaas. I mean, we hear this verdict, what it means. It`s very hard for me to verbalize what it means that this verdict was handed down.

SEPPINNI: I feel like I can breathe, you know? Like tonight, I feel like when I go home tonight that I will be able to rest my head on the pillow knowing that the door has opened, you know, not just for boys but for girls and for children. Just the door is opened.

That finally, maybe for a night, I can just breathe knowing that there is someone who is going to believe the next person and they don`t have to live their life in shame. Yes. It`s big. This is big.

GRACE: And, you know, another thing, Leslie, when Marc Klaas was talking about years and years and years of facing that, all the way through the rest of their lives, people that have never been crime victims, they don`t -- it doesn`t make sense to them, but it`s true.

For the rest of your life -- I was a crime victim back in 1979 and you never know when it`s going to come over you. You don`t know what`s going to trigger it. And you can feel like it`s right back to that day when the whole world changed, when you had no more power, when something awful and terrible happened that changed your life for good. And there`s no going back, Leslie. You never go back to the way that you were.

SEPPINNI: And the people that will tell you throughout your lifetime when you`re having a bad moment, who may know something about what`s happened to you to get over it. They will tell you that throughout your life.
And I know the courage that it takes for those men to do what they did. I did it just five years ago, in my 40s. And I have to tell you, I thought that the day I did it, I couldn`t breathe. I thought that I was going to die from just the anxiety of finally confronting this person.

And knowing the fight, the uphill battle I would have dealing with my family members believing me, dealing with other people, but knowing that as long as I kept that secret, I was emotionally destroyed as a person having quality of life.

GRACE: We are taking you back to -- we are taking you back

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Penn State Acting Athletic Director Dave Joyner Releases Statement in Wake of Sandusky Trial
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Sandusky Lawyers Raise Appeal Issue on Timing

BELLEFONTE, Pa. June 23, 2012 (AP)

Jerry Sandusky's lawyers said Saturday they tried to quit the night before his child sex abuse trial because they weren't given enough time to prepare, raising an argument on the trial's speed that could become the thrust of an appeal.

And one of the jurors who convicted Sandusky of 45 child sex abuse counts said Saturday he was swayed by the "very convincing" testimony of eight accusers who said the ex-Penn State coach molested them for years.

"It's hard to judge character on the stand, because you don't know these kids," juror Joshua Harper told NBC's "Today" show. "But most were very credible — I would say all."

A day after the former Penn State assistant football coach's child sex abuse conviction, Sandusky's lawyers disclosed they felt too unprepared to adequately defend their client because of how quickly the case was brought to trial. Experts have said the seven months between Sandusky's November arrest and trial was fast-paced by Pennsylvania standards.

"We told the trial court, the Superior Court and the Supreme Court we were not prepared to proceed to trial in June due to numerous issues, and we asked to withdraw from the case for those reasons," attorney Joe Amendola told The Associated Press.

The issues included a scheduling conflict with a defense team member and the need to read a cache of documents produced by a length grand jury investigation. Judge John Cleland denied their request.
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The attorneys raised other issues that could be part of the future appeal, saying a mistrial was sought and denied over a repetition at trial of a brief part of a November interview Sandusky had with NBC's Bob Costas.

Jurors in the two-week trial convicted Sandusky of 45 of the 48 counts against him, meaning Sandusky, 68, likely will die in prison.

Harper said the accusers who testified one by one of horrific abuse at Sandusky's hands were each believable, "but then also the fact that we saw this corroborating story between all of them. It was very convincing."

Then Sandusky's impassive face when the verdict was read was confirmation for the jury, he said.

"I looked at him during the reading of the verdict and just the look on his face. No real emotion," he said, "because he knew it was true."

Harper said jurors had some issues with the testimony of Mike McQueary, a then-assistant who said he saw Sandusky assaulting a boy in the Penn State showers in 2001; jurors acquitted Sandusky on one count relating to the incident.

The case is poised to move to an investigation of university officials' role in reporting the charges; two ex-school administrators face trial on charges they didn't properly report McQueary's account of the suspected abuse in 2001.

Almost immediately after the verdict, Penn State President Rodney Erickson signaled an openness to quickly settle potential civil lawsuits arising from the convictions, saying the school "wants to provide a forum where the university can privately, expeditiously and fairly address the victims' concerns and compensate them for claims."

The university recently reported a $1.8 billion endowment. But both sides have reasons not to want to go to court, said Jason Kutulakis, a Harrisburg-area lawyer who specializes in child welfare and juvenile law. Victims are reluctant to tell their story again, he said.

But "Penn State's got so much egg on their face, they probably just want to make it all go away," he said..


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Victim No. 6: Violation and vindication
By Ann O'Neill, CNN
updated 3:26 PM EDT, Sat June 23, 2012

Bellefonte, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- His heart pounded under his striped, maroon polo shirt as the one they call Alleged Victim No. 6 waited in a packed courtroom Friday night to hear the verdicts in the Jerry Sandusky child molestation case.

He is 25 now, lean and broad shouldered with short brown hair and big dark eyes. For years, he struggled with the fact that Sandusky, a local football hero, crossed the line with him in a locker room shower in 1998.

No. 6 was the only one of the accusers, the so-called "Sandusky 8," to come to court for the verdicts. He chewed gum with intensity, his jaws clenching and releasing as Sandusky, looking wan and bent in a brown sports jacket, lumbered into the courtroom shortly before 10 p.m.

The jurors took their seats, looking tired and sad. One woman appeared to be crying.

The young man's mother locked fingers with him with one hand, placed the other over his forearm and her head on his shoulder. She started to cry. Soon, they would hear whether there would be justice.

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« Reply #2057 on: June 23, 2012, 07:53:06 PM »

so happy the jury got this right.  my faith in the justice system is slowly being restored
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« Reply #2058 on: June 23, 2012, 08:45:23 PM »
Prosecutors say they never threatened to have Matt Sandusky testify
June 23, 2012

Prosecutors in Jerry Sandusky’s child sex abuse trial said Saturday they never threatened to call the former Penn State coach’s youngest son to testify against him.

Their account contradicts an earlier version of events laid out by defense attorney Joseph Amendola just hours after a Centre County jury convicted his client on 45 counts involving 10 young men.

Asked to explain why his client never took the stand in his own defense, Amendola responded Friday: “Jerry always intended to testify.”

However, that strategy changed when prosecutors informed the defense team that if Sandusky took the stand they would call his son, Matt, as a rebuttal witness, Amendola said.

Matt Sandusky, 33, stunned the world Thursday, when he publicly announced in the waning days of his father’s trial, that he, too, was molested by the former coach as a youth.

At that point, Amendola decided it would be impossible to have Jerry Sandusky testify. He denies ever abusing his son, but the prospect of child accusing a father of such a terrible crime “would have been explosive.”

But, sources close to the attorney general’s office investigation, who were not authorized to speak publicly about the case, balked Saturday at Amendola’s version of events.

Instead, they said, lead prosecutor Joseph McGettigan relished the opportunity of taking-on Jerry Sandusky in cross examination and had promised Amendola early on that they would not call any additional rebuttal witnesses.

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Sandusky conviction doesn't end harm of scandal
There are still questions to be answered, retribution to be made and justice to be served

David Haugh's In the Wake of the News
June 23, 2012


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