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« Reply #100 on: January 14, 2012, 03:26:29 PM »

This video is intersesting as it has a caption in one part that says "Van Der Sloot Cell" and they start showing the TV, DVD, and many messages on an iPhone between Sidney/Urine and Mary.  Just wish I could understand what they are saying. 

http://www.tvo-peru.com/2012/01/13/indignante-joran-van-der-sloot-tiene-privilegios-en-la-carcel/
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« Reply #101 on: January 14, 2012, 03:26:32 PM »

To avoid an outside investigation ... somehow I do not believe that Aruba is ever going to officially close the Natalee Holloway case.  It will be classified as forever ongoing/open.

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When the Case is Closed

Growing Frustration in Aruba
Wednesday, July 06, 2005


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GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: Well, the way the system works down here, when the case is closed, we will have all that information, and we can release it to the world.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 12/2/2005 10:37:47 AM ET


ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: There's a lot that Americans can do through the State Department. I want to remind everybody that Natalee Holloway was a U.S. citizen. Once the Aruban authorities are done investigating this case, the FBI can still conduct an investigation, and they could extradite these suspects to the United States. Let me point out that there's a ton of circumstantial evidence in this case to convict these kids.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


DANA PRETZER
July 2, 2006 - Part 1
July 8, 2006 - Part 2


Art Wood:

The family of Natalee needs to put pressure on the US attorney in Birmingham to push the FBI to conduct an investigation after ALE close the case. We have a treaty that allows the FBI to pursue a violation of civil rights of an American citizen there.

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« Reply #102 on: January 14, 2012, 03:30:45 PM »

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They pointed out that would have a cell phone with Internet access to chat with friends through the account "Sidney Ewing" and in the emails you receive from your lawyer Luis Jimenez.

 In an email from his lawyer, it is clear that the U.S. citizen Mary Hamer, benefactor of Van der Sloot, Jimenez asked to return the $ 74 000 for bail, after learning the outcome of the process. In addition, e-mails also show the contract to rent an apartment in the district of Magdalena, conducted by Van der Sloot from prison. Today will be handed his sentence for the murder of the young Stephany Flores occurred in May 2010.

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http://www.tvo-peru.com/2012/01/13/indignante-joran-van-der-sloot-tiene-privilegios-en-la-carcel/

I guess he did rent an apt if they found the contract on his iPhone   
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« Reply #103 on: January 14, 2012, 03:43:49 PM »

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evil-deeds/201201/joran-casey-and-psychopathic-narcissism-forensic-commentary?page=3
Joran, Casey and Psychopathic Narcissism: A Forensic Commentary
What do Casey Anthony and Joran van der Sloot have in common?
Published on January 13, 2012 by Dr. Stephen A. Diamond, Ph.D. in Evil Deeds
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« Reply #104 on: January 14, 2012, 03:47:27 PM »

Jan 13, 2012
Joran Van der Sloot gets 28 years for Peru killing


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The victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the verdict that Van der Sloot was enjoying favorable conditions in a Lima prison, where he has been living apart from the general population and foreigners with money can buy superior treatment, the Associated Press reports.

"A jail isn't a 5-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Let's hope the authorities take that into account and not just in our case."

"Since the first day we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" that Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail. He said he would present evidence of this at a news conference on Monday.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-gets-xx-year-sentence-for-peru-killing/1?csp=34news
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« Reply #105 on: January 14, 2012, 03:48:18 PM »

Screen Capture of the contract to rent an Apt.  I underlined his name and the fact he lives in Castro Castro   



http://www.tvo-peru.com/2012/01/13/indignante-joran-van-der-sloot-tiene-privilegios-en-la-carcel/
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« Reply #106 on: January 14, 2012, 03:52:52 PM »



http://www.tvo-peru.com/2012/01/13/indignante-joran-van-der-sloot-tiene-privilegios-en-la-carcel/
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« Reply #107 on: January 14, 2012, 04:32:19 PM »

 
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The benefits that the Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot in his cell of the Miguel Castro Castro, has aroused the indignation of many as they believe it is a mockery of the judicial system of our country and therefore the murderer of Stephanie Flores looks calm and unconcerned.

 However, his lawyer defended him and reported that Van der Sloot made ​​a statement asking for input of the equipment. "All prisoners have the same," he said. However, the Dutch monetary transactions using your cell phone, and so pays the rent in Magdalena department for $ 1500 a month.

 One of his lawyers, Maximum Highness said that since the Dutch were seeking their freedom from excess jail terms, had the legal address requirement and due to its status as a foreigner, had to submit the lease of a department to enforce your request.

 In addition, HRH reported that the Van der Sloot's benefactor, Mary Hammer, has requested his services for another lawyer to sue the Dutch for fraud because he had given $ 80,000 bail for the confessed murderer of Stephanie Flores, but before reading sentencing, demands his money back.

 Through social networks, Joran Van der Sloot also maintains contact with friends and family, send them pictures of him in jail and up to a dog and a cat that pets be in prison. The victim's father, businessman Ricardo Flores, has publicly called for the judiciary deprived of these privileges to Joran Van der Sloot "to benefit the country."

http://www.americatv.com.pe/portal/programas/entretenimiento/magazin/las-11-empieza-la-noche/multimedia/130112-las-11-los-privilegios-d
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« Reply #108 on: January 14, 2012, 04:35:27 PM »

Wonder who is looking after his pet dog and cat now that they moved him?
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« Reply #109 on: January 14, 2012, 05:36:51 PM »



Thanks Jamcakes

Why was The Passive Personality Principle not invokes in the Natalee Holloway case a long time ago.  What is the criteria?

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The reason I heard on one of the talk shows is because now she has been declared legally dead.  Before she was missing & presumed dead.
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« Reply #110 on: January 14, 2012, 05:46:56 PM »

Wonder who is looking after his pet dog and cat now that they moved him?

He had a dog & cat in Castro Castro?  I wonder how the pets ever survived?

I wonder WHY he rented an apartment, and HOW he can afford it/  Maybe Mary Hamer is relocating!

I am outraged that he has a cell phone and a computer and all these other perks!  It must be a hoax of some sort, especially since he just changed prisons and is supposedly in observation to determine classification.

If he had TV, computer, pets, etc - what kind of prison is this place?  What did they do? Hook up the U-Haul and move all his stuff?

I'm looking forward to Mr Flores press conference on Monday to hear more.  Anyone know what time and will it be covered live on any US TV station?
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« Reply #111 on: January 14, 2012, 06:07:36 PM »

Wonder who is looking after his pet dog and cat now that they moved him?

He had a dog & cat in Castro Castro?  I wonder how the pets ever survived?

I wonder WHY he rented an apartment, and HOW he can afford it/  Maybe Mary Hamer is relocating!

I am outraged that he has a cell phone and a computer and all these other perks!  It must be a hoax of some sort, especially since he just changed prisons and is supposedly in observation to determine classification.

If he had TV, computer, pets, etc - what kind of prison is this place?  What did they do? Hook up the U-Haul and move all his stuff?

I'm looking forward to Mr Flores press conference on Monday to hear more.  Anyone know what time and will it be covered live on any US TV station?

The cat and dog are reported in the article a few posts above.
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« Reply #112 on: January 14, 2012, 06:08:55 PM »

I think this is his new home

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVI7bsJTcRo&feature=player_embedded#!

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« Reply #113 on: January 14, 2012, 06:33:14 PM »

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The mail traffic shows that the aunt's money for his deposit back and demands that Joran from his cell a lease for an apartment close. Furthermore, they found his phone also pictures of ex-girlfriends to.

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http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/2161/Zaak-Holloway/article/detail/1378499/2012/01/13/Joran-van-der-Sloot-heeft-iPhone-42-inch-LCD-tv-en-internet-in-zijn-cel.dhtml
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« Reply #114 on: January 14, 2012, 07:37:49 PM »

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The mail traffic shows that the aunt's money for his deposit back and demands that Joran from his cell a lease for an apartment close. Furthermore, they found his phone also pictures of ex-girlfriends to.

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http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/2161/Zaak-Holloway/article/detail/1378499/2012/01/13/Joran-van-der-Sloot-heeft-iPhone-42-inch-LCD-tv-en-internet-in-zijn-cel.dhtml


I watched one of the videos showing the pics of ex-girlfriends on the cell phone.  I think one of them is Fabienne Maessen, the blonde from Spring Break on the Marriott Beach.
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« Reply #115 on: January 14, 2012, 07:50:37 PM »

Wonder who is looking after his pet dog and cat now that they moved him?

He had a dog & cat in Castro Castro?  I wonder how the pets ever survived?

I wonder WHY he rented an apartment, and HOW he can afford it/  Maybe Mary Hamer is relocating!

I am outraged that he has a cell phone and a computer and all these other perks!  It must be a hoax of some sort, especially since he just changed prisons and is supposedly in observation to determine classification.

If he had TV, computer, pets, etc - what kind of prison is this place?  What did they do? Hook up the U-Haul and move all his stuff?

I'm looking forward to Mr Flores press conference on Monday to hear more.  Anyone know what time and will it be covered live on any US TV station?

Man, it just gets more and more bizarre!

He's lucky they didn't have him on a bread and water diet!

I'm glad Mr Flores is stepping up to the plate and bringing attention to this.
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« Reply #116 on: January 14, 2012, 08:28:57 PM »

http://pulitzerandthompson.com/joran-van-der-sloots-never-before-seen-psych-report/



Joran van der Sloot’s Never Before Seen Psych Report

On Friday the 13th, 2012, Van der Sloot was sentenced to a prison term of twenty-eight years. How much time he actually serves is now up to Peruvian prison officials. Under the Peruvian system he could be eligible for release in as little as ten years.

When Joran does eventually come up for parole we can only hope the Peruvian authorities will take into account Joran’s never before released psychiatric report. A report which clearly indicates Van der Sloot is a menace to society who should never be free to kill again.

Our hearts and prayers are with the Flores and Holloway families.

What follows is the full psychiatric exam taken just days after Van der Sloot’s arrest for a chilling murder that rocked the world. The report was obtained exclusively by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson while researching the book Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru and the Natalee Holloway Mystery.

http://pulitzerandthompson.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Joran-van-der-Sloot-psych-report-page-one.jpg

Joran van der Sloot Psych Report:

Peruvian National Police Department (DIRINCRI)

Psychological Report


A.  Origin:  DIRINCRI PNP

 B.  Background :  #2103-10 DIRINCRI Homicide Division

 C.  Exam

1)  NAME :  Joran Petrus van der Sloot 22

2) REASON:  He is implicated in the alleged crime against the life, body and health of Stephany Flores 21.  Body found on June 2nd at aprox 4:40 am inside room 309 of the Hotel Tac.

3) PLACE AND DATE Division of Homicide June 7th 2010

4) METHOD  Psychological interview, Mental exam, Psychological tests

 D.  Results

1)   Description of the physical appearance and attitude of the examinee

The examinee presents himself as a detainee in regular state of physical cleanliness and appearance.  Light skinned, of white race, tall in stature, slim, hair neatly cut and dyed blonde.  Has a tattoo in the Thai language that translated means “No problem,” in the left pectoral muscle.  His facial expression reflects serenity and stiffness, at times pensive and introspective, his gaze is fixed and sad, but making eye contact.  The language comprehensible, although at times it is difficult because of the translation into Spanish.  His accent being that of a foreigner.  His posture is somewhat stooped, his walk coordinated without any visible physical disorder.

During the evaluation he looks tense and preoccupied, he seems passive, communicative, accessible and given to dialogue, on occasion he is anxious moving his lower extremities constantly, and exhibiting a tremor in his hands.  He recounts the events of the investigation coherently, responding clearly to the questions asked  and accepting  the blame for the criminal events for which he is being investigated; however from time to time (beginning of aggression) offers answers in his favor, where it can be perceived the incoherence between the statement and his emotional responses, which reflects the hiding of information. While offering information of his family life he turns volatile and cries, showing that he is affected by the consequences of his legal situation. He assists partially with the process of the psychological examination.

2. Verbatim account of the reason for his detention

“I met Stephany on May 28th at the Atlantic City casino at approximately 6pm, she approached me, I was playing poker, she knew there was a Dutchman, she said ‘You are the Dutchman that plays poker.  I am a poker amateur.’  I had bought a telephone chip in Wong and we exchanged telephone numbers, I chatted with her for a while, five minutes and she said, ‘Tomorrow I am going to call you to do something together’ and the following day she called me in the morning of May 29th, and she said, ‘I am going to have coffee and I am going to play poker.’  I said I’ll see you later, and around 6pm I went to the Atlantic City Casino alone, from 6pm until two in the morning  I was playing blackjack and I went upstairs to the poker game and Stephany arrived at the table where I was playing, I spoke with her and she asked me if I had a girlfriend and I told her that I am single and she said ‘I have a girl, I am a lesbian,’  I said, it doesn’t matter, in Holland I have homosexual friends, lesbians, afterwards I said to her let’s go to my room to play poker on my laptop, I had drank whisky cola at the Atlantic City Casino, later on I drank 4 or 5 pisco sours, I don’t know if she drank a lot, but she did drink wine.  We were there up until 5:30 in the morning.  After playing poker the two of us lost $1,000 USD, which is not a lot of money, I had arrived with money in cash, on May 28th I won $1,500.  We went to the room, she went of her own accord, we entered the room and we sat on the bed, I opened my Facebook account and I had received a message where they said, ‘I’m going to kill you,’ It was because of the Aruba case, they insulted me, there were always those messages and I was chatting with Stephany, telling her about the Aruba case, that I hadn’t done anything wrong, and at a certain point I reacted with a strike on the nose (he makes a gesture with his elbow) and there was a lot of blood and I struck her head against the wall and I didn’t know what I was thinking.  I had n impulsive reaction, she struck first with her hand on my head (he closes his hand forming a fist) and we began hitting each other, she had strength or she was strong, then I grabbed her from the neck (he shows with his hands that he grabs her tightly about the neck) and she bled a lot.  I didn’t want to see a lot of blood and I wanted to remove the sheet, and I was a little frightened, blood spilled on my clothing and I covered her face, I do not remember what she was saying, she began to breath heavily and I took her pants off and I covered her face, until I couldn’t hear anything else, I changed my t-shirt, I didn’t take a shower, I took her keys and her cards and money that there was, 850 soles, I left the room and I saw a person and I said nothing, I wanted to leave that place, I left in the car, I don’t know the streets of Lima, I wanted to go as far as possible, I left the car anywhere, I threw the keys and the cards away in a garbage bin, I paid for a cab and I went to the airport, but I was afraid and I went to a bus company, then I asked a cabbie to take me to another city, farther away and in the direction of Chile.”

“I left the hotel at eight am more or less, I was with Stephany for two hours, we went to my room as friends, nothing about sexual relations.”

3. Relevant data of his personal history

Born in Holland, Aug 6th 1987.  The eldest of three brothers.

The family is comprised of his father who was Paul van der Sloot, a judge in Aruba (deceased) His mother Anita van der Sloot, professor, the family relationship was good, he remembers that there was better communication with his father than with his mother, he travelled frequently to different countries with his parents and brothers.  His brothers are Valentino (19) and Sebastian (15), he was closer to the youngest brother and as he remembers he turns unstable.  He does not manifest any violence or maltreatment on the part of his family.

He lived with his parents until age 17, when he was accused of the death of a young woman in Aruba and after three months, the time that it took to process the investigation, of which he was absolved, he traveled to Holland with views to “forget the events, especially the time he spent in prison,” resides there for two years, while he studies international business, and receiving 800 Euros per month from the Dutch government, however he indicates that “I didn’t take my studies very seriously,” playing poker instead, tennis, and enjoying himself.  Also indicated that he did not have any productive activities that would have helped in his personal development.

He abandons Holland because he is filmed through a hidden camera in an interview with a “friend” about the death of the girl in Aruba, which is then broadcast on Dutch TV, which was the reason he traveled to Thailand, where he resided until Feb of 2010 in that country he had a restaurant were pizza and coffee were sold   across from the university; said business was left in the care of a friend, in exchange for a rent of $1,500 USD, in Feb of 2010 he comes back to Aruba due to his father’s death and to keep his mother company.

School, indicates having been a good student, restless as a child, but doing well in school.  He reports not having skipped school, because his school was private and everything was communicated to the parents.  He did not have fights with his friends or problems with his teachers.  His schoolwork was good, for which he was accepted to several universities in the United States, but he had to reject those due to the problem of the girl who disappeared in Aruba.

He reports having masturbated since he was 14 years old, which was done alone or with his male friends, watching porn videos on the Internet, on only one instance a male friend gave him oral sex.  At age 14 he had his first girlfriends and his first sexual experience, the relationship lasted for a year and a half. He has had two girlfriends and several casual relationships for short periods of time; it wasn’t difficult to establish relationships. Nowadays he masturbates two to three times a week.  He doesn’t exhibit sexual problems.  His girlfriend in Thailand liked to use sex toys and objects.

In reference to work, he has not had a stable job, until two and a half years ago when he opened his business in Thailand (pizza and coffee).

He has consumed alcohol since he was 18.  When in prison in Aruba he used marijuana; said consumption has become more frequent; after his father’s death alcohol consumption has increased; in Peru he drank whisky cola and pisco sours almost daily.  He says he uses marijuana “when I don’t want to think.  It hardens me. It does not make me sentimental.”

He reports to be a person who enjoys sports such as tennis and soccer; as well as poker, a game that in some instances has made him a lot of money, and also “cheating” in the company of his friends.

In addition, he indicates that when he agreed to interviews he would charge between fifty and one hundred thousand dollars.

4  Evaluation of cognitive functions:

Consciousness level  Lucid and conscience of time, place and person

Attention and concentration level:  Slightly diminished due to current stress

Memory  Intact

Language:  Exhibits difficulty in expressing himself in the Spanish language, however, he is understood with adequate association of ideas.

Thought process : Logical and coherent.  His thought process is abstract, he is capable of conceptualizing and perceiving stimuli beyond what is concrete and evident.

Social judgment:  Exhibits normal capacity to analyze and solve common situations of everyday life, proceeding in an impulsive manner when confronted with conflict or unpleasant situations, as well as driven by his personal satisfaction and fancies.

Cultural and intellectual level: He exhibits an information and general cultural level that corresponds to his instruction level (superior incomplete international business). Average intellectual level, with the potential to broaden his intellectual efficiency

5.  Personality traits and characteristics

He faces regular stimuli with anxiety and insecurity, he strives to control, however, when he recalls the family unit he tends to become emotional and cries.

He is sociable and finds it easy to establish interpersonal relationships through friendly and charismatic conduct in order to captivate others, even though he can be indifferent when it comes to the well being of others; has the capacity to maintain a fraudulent social style, because of this he constantly watches out for only his own personal gain.

He exhibits a deficient social conscience as is observed through the violation of rules and the involvement in actions that affect others, without regard for the rights of others, looking only to satisfy his own interests (Money), and through withholding of information and/or distortion of facts in order to project a good self image.

He leans towards social irresponsibility, the absence of achievement and the enjoyment of superficial activities, games of chance, and in general a libertine lifestyle.

He has low tolerance for frustration, does not tolerate inconveniences, he resents and offends easily, which engenders a feeling of revenge.   If the situation calls for it he resorts to verbal and physical aggression when necessary.

He is prone to emotional immaturity, he shows sudden changes in behavior, from simple irony, impatience, and impulsive mordacity, indignation, excessive irritability and incontrollable emotions, that makes him prone to behavior that is excessively aggressive, without regard to injury of third parties, because he rarely complies with established rules of reason and prudence.

He identifies with his masculine role.  Exhibits certain dominance over the opposite sex, minimizing and devaluing the feminine image.

E: Conclusions

Joran van der Sloot (22) at the time of this exam does not exhibit psychopathological disorders, which would impede his ability to evaluate reality.

Exhibits an average intellectual level, which potentially could broaden his intellectual efficiency.  The examinee presents an anti-social personality characterized by the ease with which he establishes superficial interpersonal relationships, indifference when it comes to others’ well being and the capacity to maintain a fraudulent social style; deficient social conscience that shows in the violation of rules and the mixing in events that affect others’ rights, looking only to advance his own interests.  He shows social irresponsibility, the enjoyment of superficial activities, in general a libertine and hedonistic lifestyle in search of new sensations in order to be stimulated. Low tolerance to frustration, unable to stand inconveniences and a tendency to generate a vengeful attitude.  Emotionally immature which prompts sudden changes in his behavior that can go from simple criticism, to out of control emotions, which make him prone to commit acts against the lives of others.  Shows certain dominance over the opposite sex with the devaluation of the feminine figure.
-Lima, June 7, 2010

Interview conducted by: Silvia Rojas Regalado, Forensic Psychologist with the Peruvian National Police (Also a professor at the Escuela Iberoamericana de Desarrollo Social)
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #117 on: January 14, 2012, 08:36:27 PM »

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He has consumed alcohol since he was 18.
   

Now why would he lie about that when it would be so easy for them to figure that one out?

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #118 on: January 14, 2012, 08:37:58 PM »

The monster deserves to go to the prison San Juan de lurigancho!!!
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« Reply #119 on: January 14, 2012, 08:39:26 PM »

Screen Capture of the contract to rent an Apt.  I underlined his name and the fact he lives in Castro Castro   



http://www.tvo-peru.com/2012/01/13/indignante-joran-van-der-sloot-tiene-privilegios-en-la-carcel/
that document must have something fishy.....the rent for a house in Magdalena del mar can't go more that 500 dollars...
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