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Topic: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 - 2/07/12 (Read 366603 times)
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texasmom
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ARUBA: It's all about Natalee...we won't give up!
Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
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January 17, 2012, 11:24:14 PM »
Joran attended the International School in Aruba from the 2nd grade through graduation. He supposedly graduated with honors. He speaks and understands English and obviously has no problem writing it as well. I have no doubt he used his fluency in English to gain the attention of many "last night on the island" American girls in Aruba, and probably in many other situations too. He girlfriend in Thailand was American.
We'll see if he "claims" to have any problems with the English language when he gets to Alabama to face charges. All of his communications (emails) that I've seen in the case were in English. Maybe he'll cry for a Dutch translator, but if he does he's only doing it to be a pain in the azz.
jmo
http://www.isaruba.com/About_isa/index.html
About ISA
The International School of Aruba is a private, nonprofit, co-educational,
English language school
.
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The school curriculum is modeled on that of a U.S. university preparatory school.
English is the primary language of instruction.
The testing program includes the ITBS (IOWA) tests, PSAT, ACT, SAT and AP examinations.
Advanced Placement classes are offered in English, Spanish, and Studio Art.
Ninety percent of graduates go on to universities in North America and other countries. The school year is from August to June. Dutch and Spanish are offered at levels from Beginner to Native speaker. Dutch exams for CITO, MAVO, HAVO/VWO can be arranged.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
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January 17, 2012, 11:30:47 PM »
Joran van der Sloot brutally murdered the daughter of an influential Peruvian citizen yet ... this monster was receiving perferential treatment within the prison system from the getgo. Why? Where was the pressure originating?
Janet
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Judges sentence Holloway suspect Van der Sloot to 28 years in Peru woman's murder
Associated Press
Friday, January 13, 2012 9:3 PM
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The Peruvian victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the sentencing that Van der Sloot was living well in a Lima prison, where he has been segregated from the general population.
"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters.
"Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges"
Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.
Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cellphone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.
Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.
Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.
As in many developing nations, foreigners with money can buy superior treatment in Peru's prisons, including decent food, while the vast majority of inmates suffer overcrowding and constant peril from criminal gangs.
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http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/world/sentencing+day+for+van+der+sloot+in+peru+woman39s+murder/6442558710/story.html
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Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
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January 17, 2012, 11:41:11 PM »
Quote from: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2012, 11:30:47 PM
Joran van der Sloot brutally murdered the daughter of an influential Peruvian citizen yet ... this monster was receiving perferential treatment within the prison system from the getgo. Why? Where was the pressure originating?
Janet
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Judges sentence Holloway suspect Van der Sloot to 28 years in Peru woman's murder
Associated Press
Friday, January 13, 2012 9:3 PM
<snipped>
The Peruvian victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the sentencing that Van der Sloot was living well in a Lima prison, where he has been segregated from the general population.
"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters.
"Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges"
Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.
Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cellphone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.
Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.
Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.
As in many developing nations, foreigners with money can buy superior treatment in Peru's prisons, including decent food, while the vast majority of inmates suffer overcrowding and constant peril from criminal gangs.
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http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/world/sentencing+day+for+van+der+sloot+in+peru+woman39s+murder/6442558710/story.html
I suspect
ANY
prisoner with
money
can bribe guards in a poor country like Peru. If Joran had these perks -- it was from his
money
-- NOT Aruba's influence.
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Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
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Quote from: wreck on January 17, 2012, 11:41:11 PM
Quote from: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2012, 11:30:47 PM
Joran van der Sloot brutally murdered the daughter of an influential Peruvian citizen yet ... this monster was receiving perferential treatment within the prison system from the getgo. Why? Where was the pressure originating?
Janet
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Judges sentence Holloway suspect Van der Sloot to 28 years in Peru woman's murder
Associated Press
Friday, January 13, 2012 9:3 PM
<snipped>
The Peruvian victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the sentencing that Van der Sloot was living well in a Lima prison, where he has been segregated from the general population.
"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters.
"Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges"
Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.
Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cellphone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.
Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.
Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.
As in many developing nations, foreigners with money can buy superior treatment in Peru's prisons, including decent food, while the vast majority of inmates suffer overcrowding and constant peril from criminal gangs.
<snipped>
http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/world/sentencing+day+for+van+der+sloot+in+peru+woman39s+murder/6442558710/story.html
I suspect
ANY
prisoner with
money
can bribe guards in a poor country like Peru. If Joran had these perks -- it was from his
money
-- NOT Aruba's influence.
Answers your own question
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Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2012, 11:30:47 PM
Joran van der Sloot brutally murdered the daughter of an influential Peruvian citizen yet ... this monster was receiving perferential treatment within the prison system from the getgo. Why? Where was the pressure originating?
Janet
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Judges sentence Holloway suspect Van der Sloot to 28 years in Peru woman's murder
Associated Press
Friday, January 13, 2012 9:3 PM
<snipped>
The Peruvian victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the sentencing that Van der Sloot was living well in a Lima prison, where he has been segregated from the general population.
"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters.
"Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges"
Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.
Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cellphone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.
Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.
Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.
As in many developing nations, foreigners with money can buy superior treatment in Peru's prisons, including decent food, while the vast majority of inmates suffer overcrowding and constant peril from criminal gangs.
<snipped>
http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/world/sentencing+day+for+van+der+sloot+in+peru+woman39s+murder/6442558710/story.html
Broke?
NANCY GRACE
Van Der Sloot Confession Transcript Released
Aired June 14, 2010 - 20:00:00 ET
NANCY GRACE, HOST: Here is an e-mail exchange between you and Joran Van Der Sloot where he says, happy birthday, I hope you had a good day. This is May 29.
And remember how important family and friends are. By the way, can you send me some money through Western Union tomorrow? Remember that?
JOHN LUDWICK, FRIEND OF JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, I do.
GRACE: Did you send him money?
LUDWICK: No, I didn`t. He had told me -- that was the evening of May 29th and I guess the alleged event happened later -- a few hours later into the 30th.
But he told me he needed money to get back to Aruba
. So, I mean, before I had a chance to help him out, I couldn`t get ahold of him. And then the news said what it said.
http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/14/ng.01.html
Dutch Involvement?
Official: Van der Sloot confesses to Peru slaying
updated 6/8/2010 11:17:34 AM ET
<snipped>
Dutch Embassy chief consular officer Angela Lowe said her government was providing van der Sloot with "regular consular assistance, which means an occasional consular visit, and
we will make sure he is being treated decently
, just like any other inmate." She said Peruvian authorities have assured the Dutch government they are treating him well. "They are taking this case very seriously," she added. "The world is watching."
<snipped>
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37542848/ns/world_news-americas/t/official-van-der-sloot-confesses-peru-slaying/
ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Van Der Sloot Captured on Murder Charge
Aired June 3, 2010 - 19:00:00 ET
<snipped>
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Vinda De Sousa is on the line. She is the Aruban attorney for Natalee Holloway`s dad, Dave.
Vinda, we have just learned that a delegation from the Dutch embassy visited Joran minutes ago in a Chilean jail.
...
OK. What are your thoughts of the fact that the Dutch embassy visited him in jail in Chile?
DE SOUSA: Well, you know, that`s -- that`s not unusual. Whenever a Dutch citizen is jailed abroad, either the embassy or the consul general will visit the person detained or in custody, being a Dutch citizen, to offer assistance, it`s part of the Dutch policy.
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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/03/ijvm.01.html
carpe noctem
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #836 6/8/10 -
« Reply #916 on: June 10, 2010, 12:57:31 AM »
Those rusty Dutch buggers just can`t keep their hands off that boy, can they?
It`s built in to their DNA.
As was learned, the Dutchman would have the advice of a private lawyer had been hired by diplomats from the embassy
.
http://www.ojo.com.pe/ojo/nota.php?txtSecci_id=25&txtNota_id=368861
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8078.msg1153576#msg1153576
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
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Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
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Quote from: MuffyBee on December 23, 2011, 02:29:06 PM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Quote from: jamcakes on January 17, 2012, 07:52:52 PM
Quote from: Monkey King on January 17, 2012, 07:39:10 PM
Hey Carpe!
Although I like to consider myself educated and street smart, what, praytell, is a
doo-lolly clackers?
Hahaha!
Thanks, in advance, for expanding my vocabulary.
I googled it. LOL. I'm looking forward to Carpe explaining it.
Sorry!
Benwa balls.
The Peruvian guy thought they were for self-defense. A tiny pair of leprechaun nunchuks.
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For Natalee and Stephany, whatever it takes.
-JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN - BOYCOTT ARUBA
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"Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going to do." Thomas Jefferson
"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."Thomas Jeff
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
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Quote from: texasmom on January 17, 2012, 11:24:14 PM
We'll see if he "claims" to have any problems with the English language when he gets to Alabama to face charges. All of his communications (emails) that I've seen in the case were in English. Maybe he'll cry for a Dutch translator, but if he does he's only doing it to be a pain in the azz.
Doesn't our Anna speak Dutch? I am sure she'd be glad to help out.
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Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
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Quote from: carpe noctem on January 18, 2012, 02:48:55 AM
Quote from: jamcakes on January 17, 2012, 07:52:52 PM
Quote from: Monkey King on January 17, 2012, 07:39:10 PM
Hey Carpe!
Although I like to consider myself educated and street smart, what, praytell, is a
doo-lolly clackers?
Hahaha!
Thanks, in advance, for expanding my vocabulary.
I googled it. LOL. I'm looking forward to Carpe explaining it.
Sorry!
Benwa balls.
The Peruvian guy thought they were for self-defense. A tiny pair of leprechaun nunchuks.
Quote from: carpe noctem on January 18, 2012, 02:48:55 AM
Quote from: jamcakes on January 17, 2012, 07:52:52 PM
Quote from: Monkey King on January 17, 2012, 07:39:10 PM
Hey Carpe!
Although I like to consider myself educated and street smart, what, praytell, is a
doo-lolly clackers?
Hahaha!
Thanks, in advance, for expanding my vocabulary.
I googled it. LOL. I'm looking forward to Carpe explaining it.
Sorry!
Benwa balls.
The Peruvian guy thought they were for self-defense. A tiny pair of leprechaun nunchuks.
OH.......
'dem balls!
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Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
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January 18, 2012, 10:39:09 AM »
Quote from: carpe noctem on January 18, 2012, 02:48:55 AM
Quote from: jamcakes on January 17, 2012, 07:52:52 PM
Quote from: Monkey King on January 17, 2012, 07:39:10 PM
Hey Carpe!
Although I like to consider myself educated and street smart, what, praytell, is a
doo-lolly clackers?
Hahaha!
Thanks, in advance, for expanding my vocabulary.
I googled it. LOL. I'm looking forward to Carpe explaining it.
Sorry!
Benwa balls.
The Peruvian guy thought they were for self-defense. A tiny pair of leprechaun nunchuks.
I googled benwa balls. @@
First one up said buy at AdamEve.
Eewwhhh, the 3rd taxi driver took the used sex toy as partial payment? Or is this a joke?
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Challapalca him!
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http://larevista.aqpsoluciones.com/2012/01/18/caso-stephany-flores-ricardo-flores-dice-que-es-muy-dificil-pedir-justicia/
Google translation
Case Stephany Flores, Ricardo Flores said it was very difficult to ask for justice
January 18, 2012 7:33 pm
"It's very difficult to ask for justice in Peru. It is not easy to defend in the country, so we want the judiciary to be more fair. With the lawyers could have asked for the annulment of the sentence that was the murderer of my daughter Stephany by gaps that exist and so mishandled the case, "said businessman Ricardo Flores.
"Seeing (the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot) more fat and arrogant seems that is not in jail. I think the sentence has not been the fairest, but accept it. What else can my family make that achieves a higher penalty, "he added.
In relation to his missing daughter, Ricardo Flores said she is not physically, but talk every day. I have many memories of her and we just have a lot of strength and trust in God. We ask everyone to the press, never again to talk about it anymore, because we feel that we do more damage.
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2012, 03:26:32 PM
To prevent an outside investigation ... to prevent the release of case documents ... somehow I do not believe that Aruba is ever going to officially close the Natalee Holloway case. It will be classified as forever ongoing/open.
Janet
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When the Case is Closed
Growing Frustration in Aruba
Wednesday, July 06, 2005
<snipped>
GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: Well, the way the system works down here,
when the case is closed
, we will have all that information, and we can release it to the world.
<snipped
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 12/2/2005 10:37:47 AM ET
ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: There's a lot that Americans can do through the State Department. I want to remind everybody that Natalee Holloway was a U.S. citizen.
Once the Aruban authorities are done investigating this case
, the FBI can still conduct an investigation, and they could extradite these suspects to the United States. Let me point out that there's a ton of circumstantial evidence in this case to convict these kids.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/
DANA PRETZER
July 2, 2006 - Part 1
July 8, 2006 - Part 2
Art Wood:
The family of Natalee needs to put pressure on the US attorney in Birmingham to push the FBI to conduct an investigation
after ALE close the case
. We have a treaty that allows the FBI to pursue a violation of civil rights of an American citizen there.
s.t.
Peru court sentences Van der Sloot to 28 years
Friday, January 13, 2012
<snipped>
A homicide investigation into Holloway's death remains open in Aruba though there has been no recent activity, said Solicitor General Taco Stein, an official with the prosecutor's office in Aruba.
<snipped>
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/national_world&id=8503911
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
_____
“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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What is Aruba's stance on murder investigations?
Can/will they ever close a murder investigation without having it solved?
Seems like a "catch 22" with no catch.
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Quote from: Monkey King on January 18, 2012, 12:07:07 PM
What is Aruba's stance on murder investigations?
Can/will they ever close a murder investigation without having it solved?
Seems like a "catch 22" with no catch.
A catch which implies that case documents will never be turned over to the FBI and ... justice for Natalee Holloway will forever remain elusive.
Janet
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Never Passed the Ball
Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman
Page 184
: Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow. "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing." he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
_____
“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
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January 18, 2012, 12:36:28 PM »
Quote from: Tamikosmom on January 18, 2012, 12:27:20 PM
Quote from: Monkey King on January 18, 2012, 12:07:07 PM
What is Aruba's stance on murder investigations?
Can/will they ever close a murder investigation without having it solved?
Seems like a "catch 22" with no catch.
A catch which implies that case documents will never be turned over to the FBI and ... justice for Natalee Holloway will forever remain elusive.
Janet
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Never Passed the Ball
Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman
Page 184
: Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow. "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing." he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute
Wow, how heartbreaking is that?
I can honestly say I don't know how I would have reacted put in Beth's shoes.
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Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
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Quote from: Monkey King on January 18, 2012, 12:07:07 PM
What is Aruba's stance on murder investigations?
Can/will they ever close a murder investigation without having it solved?
Seems like a "catch 22" with no catch.
There are no murders in Aruba--only suicides ...........................
.....just kidding. lol
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Quote from: texasmom on January 17, 2012, 11:08:59 PM
Quote from: wreck on January 17, 2012, 10:13:55 PM
Quote from: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2012, 09:42:51 PM
Quote from: grace-land on January 17, 2012, 09:01:23 PM
It seems that --
The investigation was inadequate.
The prosecution wanted a winable indictment--Modified Murder with Simple Theft.
The 3 judges (in November, 2011) accepting the prosecutor's indictment over the families' request for Robbery followed by Murder. Even the defense attorney said that they won a major victory that day.
The family worked so hard to put Joran away for life. What courage and determination!
Could it be that Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" were negotiating behind the scenes with the Peruvian prosecutor and ... the panel of judges to create an outcome that would be beneficial to Joran van der Sloot but at the same time appease to some extent the family of Stephany Flores?
Think about it. Can 28 years translated into less than 9 years be considered justice for Stephany? In Tamikosmom's world ... justice implies the scale balances.
Janet
Please stop it. Aruba and the Dutch have
NO
influence over Peru. No one but Joran's lawyer is saying 9 years. 35 years
is
life in Peru.
If somehow he does get out in 9 years -- it won't be because of the "powers that be" in Aruba. Joran will either be on trial in the U.S. or dead. I prefer the latter.
Thank you wreck, I agree. And I prefer the latter too.
I prefer the latter also!
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Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
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Quote from: Ono on January 18, 2012, 01:07:06 PM
Quote from: Monkey King on January 18, 2012, 12:07:07 PM
What is Aruba's stance on murder investigations?
Can/will they ever close a murder investigation without having it solved?
Seems like a "catch 22" with no catch.
There are no murders in Aruba--only suicides ...........................
.....just kidding. lol
Oh yeah, I forgot about that!! Tsk, Tsk!
My mind hasn't been right since the doo-lolly clackers!
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Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
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Quote from: Monkey King on January 18, 2012, 12:36:28 PM
Wow, how heartbreaking is that?
I can honestly say I don't know how I would have reacted put in Beth's shoes.
Monkey King
Fifteen years ago friends lost one son (20) in a motorcycle accident and two years later they lost their second son (25) when the helicopter he was piloting while fighting forest fires in the interior went down. This couple conceded if they had been forewarned that after raising a family for 25 years they would again be on their own ... it would have been a burden too much to bear. However ... when the strength to endure was required ... in their grief God did not fail them. Out of the tragedies a God-given purpose was realized ... a God-given purpose to provide comfort and support to other parents who have experienced the loss of children.
Janet
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Psalm 28:
The LORD is my strength and my shield; in him my heart trusts, and I am helped.
Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman
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He entrusted me with her care for eighteen years. Now I must trust Him to care for her. So I never ask Him why. Why Natalee? Why me? I don't ask. To do that undermines faith. Instead, I form an "acceptance trust" with Him there on the windy hillside.
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I think about what just happened, pondering the human spirit. Apparently it can withstand a lot more than I every dreamed possible. Mom is right; God is good. All my life I've heard people of many faiths talk about "taking it to the cross and turning it over to the Lord" or just simply "turning it over. Not the work that has to be done. Just the burden. I cast it upon Him so that I may be sustained. And I am renewed, resilient. Thankful for however long this resurgence in energy will carry me. I will pick up one foot and put it down. Then the other one will follow. I will breathe. There is much to be done.
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I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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