Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 - 2/07/12

[Tamikosmom]

Do Dutch widows routinely change their name back to a version of their maiden name?

Who does she blame for Paulus's untimely death?  Joran or the Holloways and the court of public opinion?

I wonder what those who criticized Natalee's loved ones for drinking are thinking about Anita's new pasttime?

 

Over the years there are those who have despicably discredited Natalee/Natalee's family ... especially Beth ... in a futile attempt to distract from the truth regarding the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the truth regarding those who participated.  However ... I have never read anything in regards to a "drinking" issue.  Please expand.  Thanks.

Janet

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The Emotional Distress

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 224: After more than two years of being battered by the tabloids, aticles about Natalee still appear in these papaers.  What makes me as sick as the anguish and suffering I have endured over these articles is the realization that these magazines and their outrageous stories about Natalee appear all over the world.  I even saw them in stores in Aruba.  Well-meaning individuals who want to express their concerns about these articles send me the tabloids.  But this means that even my home is invaded with these distressing and outlandish materials.  Even in my dining room -- my sanctuary -- I can't escape them.  And to think that mllions and millions of readers worldwide actually believe these stories is more than I can bear.  There seems to be no end to this attack, and the emotional distress felt by my son and me is irreparable.

Page 225: Then there are the bloggers against Natalee and her family who continue to dream up all kinds of bizarre scenarios, like suggesting that she secretly left the island on that medical evacuation plane that was in Aruba for three days when we thought she was going to be brought out of a crack house.  Destructive remarks about my daughter are very hurtful.

[Tamikosmom]

jamcakes

I apologize for invading your space.

Janet

[jamcakes]

Do Dutch widows routinely change their name back to a version of their maiden name?

Who does she blame for Paulus's untimely death?  Joran or the Holloways and the court of public opinion?

I wonder what those who criticized Natalee's loved ones for drinking are thinking about Anita's new pasttime?

I never saw the media speak of this.  It was mainly an issue with the vdS sympathizers in the various blogs/forums.  As you know, they latched on to any issue/opportunity to bash NH's loved ones.  I recollect them bashing Jug & Beth for having drinks with or without dinner when they were in Aruba searching for Natalee.

 

Over the years there are those who have despicably discredited Natalee/Natalee's family ... especially Beth ... in a futile attempt to distract from the truth regarding the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the truth regarding those who participated.  However ... I have never read anything in regards to a "drinking" issue.  Please expand.  Thanks.

Janet

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The Emotional Distress

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 224: After more than two years of being battered by the tabloids, aticles about Natalee still appear in these papaers.  What makes me as sick as the anguish and suffering I have endured over these articles is the realization that these magazines and their outrageous stories about Natalee appear all over the world.  I even saw them in stores in Aruba.  Well-meaning individuals who want to express their concerns about these articles send me the tabloids.  But this means that even my home is invaded with these distressing and outlandish materials.  Even in my dining room -- my sanctuary -- I can't escape them.  And to think that mllions and millions of readers worldwide actually believe these stories is more than I can bear.  There seems to be no end to this attack, and the emotional distress felt by my son and me is irreparable.

Page 225: Then there are the bloggers against Natalee and her family who continue to dream up all kinds of bizarre scenarios, like suggesting that she secretly left the island on that medical evacuation plane that was in Aruba for three days when we thought she was going to be brought out of a crack house.  Destructive remarks about my daughter are very hurtful.

[jamcakes]

Do Dutch widows routinely change their name back to a version of their maiden name?

Who does she blame for Paulus's untimely death?  Joran or the Holloways and the court of public opinion?

I wonder what those who criticized Natalee's loved ones for drinking are thinking about Anita's new pasttime?

I never saw the media speak of this.  It was mainly an issue with the vdS sympathizers in the various blogs/forums.  As you know, they latched on to any issue/opportunity to bash NH's loved ones.  I recollect them bashing Jug & Beth for having drinks with or without dinner when they were in Aruba searching for Natalee.

 

Over the years there are those who have despicably discredited Natalee/Natalee's family ... especially Beth ... in a futile attempt to distract from the truth regarding the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the truth regarding those who participated.  However ... I have never read anything in regards to a "drinking" issue.  Please expand.  Thanks.

Janet

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The Emotional Distress

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 224: After more than two years of being battered by the tabloids, aticles about Natalee still appear in these papaers.  What makes me as sick as the anguish and suffering I have endured over these articles is the realization that these magazines and their outrageous stories about Natalee appear all over the world.  I even saw them in stores in Aruba.  Well-meaning individuals who want to express their concerns about these articles send me the tabloids.  But this means that even my home is invaded with these distressing and outlandish materials.  Even in my dining room -- my sanctuary -- I can't escape them.  And to think that mllions and millions of readers worldwide actually believe these stories is more than I can bear.  There seems to be no end to this attack, and the emotional distress felt by my son and me is irreparable.

Page 225: Then there are the bloggers against Natalee and her family who continue to dream up all kinds of bizarre scenarios, like suggesting that she secretly left the island on that medical evacuation plane that was in Aruba for three days when we thought she was going to be brought out of a crack house.  Destructive remarks about my daughter are very hurtful.

oops, posted in your quote stack boxes - sorry!

[jamcakes]

sorry Tamikosmom - I did it twice.  Oops!

[Tamikosmom]

jamcakes

I'm playing it safe and ... not quoting.

I do remember the criticism regarding Jug and Beth having a drink while they were on the Island.  Unbelievable!!

I don't have a clue whether it is a Dutch thing in regards to widows reverting to their maiden names.  However ... I have learned that it is a Dutch thing to clean windows on Wednesday ... not wait until they are dirty which is Tamikosmom's thing.  My Dutch DIL and her mother can attest to it. 

 

Janet

[jamcakes]

jamcakes

I'm playing it safe and ... not quoting.

I do remember the criticism regarding Jug and Beth having a drink while they were on the Island.  Unbelievable!!

I don't have a clue whether it is a Dutch thing in regards to widows reverting to their maiden names.  However ... I have learned that it is a Dutch thing to clean windows on Wednesday ... not wait until they are dirty which is Tamikosmom's thing.  My Dutch DIL and her mother can attest to it. 

 

Janet

LOL.Thanks for the chuckle!!

[Northern Rose]

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The defense attorney for Joran van der Sloot has asked that the sentence was reduced to its customers and has therefore filed a motion to quash the sentence displayed on 13 January.

 The lawyer Jose Luis Jimenez said, "we see that we could legitimately aspire to a term more beneficial to Joran," adding that "has not been taken into account the initial confession of Joran Van der Sloot," said Univision.

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/139138/joran-van-der-sloot-pide-reduccion-condena-por-asesinato-stephany-flores

[Northern Rose]

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The Third Board in Jail Inmates Criminal condemned the last 13 Van der Sloot on charges of murder and theft simple, for acts committed in 2010, and his sentence will mark the June 10, 2038.

However, his lawyer, Luis Jimenez, told the website of El Comercio has questioned "the content of the sentence and accessed a year rebate" of the sentence because his client has cooperated with other justice in the resolution of this case.

Unlike what the court ruling states, Jimenez said that Van der Sloot gave to justice in Chile, when he fled that country after the killing, and "gave details of how he committed the crime."

Counsel further stated that "there is false information set forth in this sentence," as he points out that the defendant initially refused to accept the charges and sought to avoid liability.

"We legitimately should be revised at the end," said Jimenez.

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/epa/article/ALeqM5gXPE0KT6kRewBSBKn1_8w86maekQ?docId=1700426

[Northern Rose]

 ::snipping2::

What issue?
Jimenez explained that made the request, because the sentence states that the defendant did not present a collaborative attitude since his capture. Counsel argues the opposite: "He was not captured in Chile, he was given" and "give details of how he had committed the crime."

However, it should be recalled that during the preliminary investigations, a confessed murderer refused to testify before the Judiciary claiming that he had little knowledge of Spanish in Peru and that there was an official translator who can attend.

Jimenez argues that "it was their right," and that "technically was not prepared to answer an interrogatory. He can speak and understand that, but technically can not answer an interrogation without a translator. "

"The recital of the sentence is said to Joran van der Sloot, at first denied the charges and try to avoid liability, a fact not true. There are false data entered in that sentence. Legitimate believe should be revised at the end, "he said finally.

One room of the Supreme Court will soon rule on the motion to vacate. Meanwhile, Joran van der Sloot remains imprisoned in the prison of Piedras BBW, in Ancon.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1364686/noticia-defensa-van-der-sloot-cuestiona-sentencia-pide-menos-anos-carcel

[jamcakes]

Van der Sloot's lawyer files for reduced sentence

On Monday, Joran Van der Sloot’s lawyer, Luis Jimenez, filed a motion to reduce the Dutchman’s 28-year prison sentence.

"I am questioning the content of the sentence and asking for a reduction of the years [of the sentence]," Jimenez said to El Comercio.

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Jimenez said the request was being made because the court said the defendant had not collaborated with authorities.

The Dutchman’s lawyer argues the opposite is true.

"He was not captured in Chile, he turned himself in […] and gave details of how he had committed the crime."

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During the trial Jimenez asked the court to keep in mind the Dutchman’s fragile state of mind, and claimed Van der Sloot was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder on the day of the Flores murder.

The court is expected to rule on the motion soon, reported El Comercio.

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http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-1426-Van-der-Sloots-lawyer-files-for-reduced-sentence/

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Huh?  Joran turned himself in in Chile?  I remember reading how he was apprehended in a taxi.

Poor Joran - had a fragile state of mind.  GAG me..

IMO, Joran ought to be glad he got only 28 years.I think his an appeal is part of his campaign to thumb his nose at justice, and delay his inevitable extradition to the US.

[Tamikosmom]

jamcakes

The published on-line articles of June 3, 2010 state that Joran van der Sloot was detained but no explanation in regards to the happenings encompassing that detainment.  However the words of Joran's confession printed in "Portrait of a Monster" imply that Joran surrendered.

Janet

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PORTRAIT OF A MONSTER
Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson

Page 242:  "The following day,  I left and I was again in Vasco da Gama and while in the cab I saw a picture of myself in a newspaper and how they were looking for a Dutchman who was an assassin. ...."

Page 243:  "So I started talking with a cabbie and I said I have to surrender and he said, 'I have a cousin that is chief of police in Santiago, if you want I can call him.' ...."

"An hour hour went by, and the police came to the cab in a regular vehicle, not a police car, where I got in and was driven to the immigration office in Santiago ...."


Chile Police Detain Joran Van Der Sloot in Peru Murder
Published June 03, 2010

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The suspect, Joran van der Sloot, was escorted by three police officers as he was taken from a dark vehicle into a police office in downtown Santiago, Chile. He made no comment as he entered, walking calmly and without handcuffs as journalists shouted his name.

Van der Sloot was detained while traveling in a taxi, about halfway to the coast on Route 68, said Prefect Alfredo Espinosa, chief national spokesman for Chile's investigative police. The suspect did not resist and has been calm in detention, Espinosa said.

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/03/chile-police-detain-dutchman-peru-killing-years-holloway-slaying-aruba/

[texasmom]

I don't believe for one minute that Anita is heartbroken or has given up on Joran.  He had the "new" Anita picture on his phone.  They both blame others for their situation.  They are both full of anger. 

Do Dutch widows routinely change their name back to a version of their maiden name?

Who does she blame for Paulus's untimely death?  Joran or the Holloways and the court of public opinion?

I wonder what those who criticized Natalee's loved ones for drinking are thinking about Anita's new pasttime?

Drinking is not anything new for Anita, it has been the tie that binds and opens up the minds of those "friends" of hers, that were more than happy to suck up and then spew her lies for years imo.  Some of them were probably not long time residents (just part of IFA) so they didn't know enough about the family to question what they were told.  But some DID and DO know better.  Anita had the advantage of a kind of automatic respect that most would have to earn because of her position as a teacher at the International School for all these years.  And she used it, and still does.  Her interactions and "friendships" with students of hers on facebook would be frowned upon if not forbidden here.  JMO but I think there are probably those, especially ones that had children say Sebastian's age who's eyes were eventually opened to the not so respectable lives the Van der Sloot's actually lead there and the problems that it seems more than one of their children have.  With the number of people that go there and spend a couple years and then come back to the states, or where ever they were from; many in positions that put their children in the International School...it has been easy for Anita to manipulate people, many that never saw the whole picture about that family.  Again, jmo.   

[texasmom]

I don't believe for one minute that Anita is heartbroken or has given up on Joran.  He had the "new" Anita picture on his phone.  They both blame others for their situation.  They are both full of anger. 

Do Dutch widows routinely change their name back to a version of their maiden name?

Who does she blame for Paulus's untimely death?  Joran or the Holloways and the court of public opinion?

I wonder what those who criticized Natalee's loved ones for drinking are thinking about Anita's new pasttime?

Drinking is not anything new for Anita, it has been the tie that binds and opens up the minds of those "friends" of hers, that were more than happy to suck up and then spew her lies for years imo.  Some of them were probably not long time residents (just part of IFA) so they didn't know enough about the family to question what they were told.  But some DID and DO know better.  Anita had the advantage of a kind of automatic respect that most would have to earn because of her position as a teacher at the International School for all these years.  And she used it, and still does.  Her interactions and "friendships" with students of hers on facebook would be frowned upon if not forbidden here.  JMO but I think there are probably those, especially ones that had children say Sebastian's age who's whose eyes were eventually opened to the not so respectable lives the Van der Sloot's actually lead there and the problems that it seems more than one of their children have.  With the number of people that go there and spend a couple years and then come back to the states, or where ever they were from; many in positions that put their children in the International School...it has been easy for Anita to manipulate people, many that never saw the whole picture about that family.  Again, jmo.   

self edit 

[klaasend]

 ::justice2NJ::

[grace-land]

 ::justice2NJ:: 

[grace-land]

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2722526/vonnis-joran-van-sloot-verandert-niet.html

Google translation

"Judgement Joran does not change"
Last Updated: January 24, 2012 6:37

AMSTERDAM - The Peruvian Supreme Court should consider the application for the annulment of the conviction of Joran van der Sloot, the verdict will most likely validate.

So says the Peruvian criminal expert Giovanna Gismondi. She thinks that there is little ground for his sentence of 28 years in prison, will be amended.

The Supreme Court may annul the conviction, that modify or validate. Jose Jimenez Navarro, Van der Sloot's lawyer, said early last week that his client wants to try the prison for 28 years to annul.
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disappointed
The lawyer expressed after the conviction of his client on 13 January disappointed with the verdict. He had hoped that the punishment would fall down because Van der Sloot had confessed guilt and according to him had always worked.

The court attached no penalty here for great value. The lawyer also believes that the first confession of Van der Sloot never 'value is estimated at'.

explain
The Supreme Court examines only the written decision of the lower court. There may still be a hearing where the defense of Van der Sloot's request to explain.
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[Tibrogargan]

Drinking is not anything new for Anita, it has been the tie that binds and opens up the minds of those "friends" of hers, that were more than happy to suck up and then spew her lies for years imo.  Some of them were probably not long time residents (just part of IFA) so they didn't know enough about the family to question what they were told.  But some DID and DO know better.  Anita had the advantage of a kind of automatic respect that most would have to earn because of her position as a teacher at the International School for all these years.  And she used it, and still does.  Her interactions and "friendships" with students of hers on facebook would be frowned upon if not forbidden here.  JMO but I think there are probably those, especially ones that had children say Sebastian's age who's eyes were eventually opened to the not so respectable lives the Van der Sloot's actually lead there and the problems that it seems more than one of their children have.  With the number of people that go there and spend a couple years and then come back to the states, or where ever they were from; many in positions that put their children in the International School...it has been easy for Anita to manipulate people, many that never saw the whole picture about that family.  Again, jmo.   

 

Post of the day  IMO

 ::justice2NJ::

[4getUnot]

I wonder if she stayed in the apt when she went to visit JVS in Castro Castro?

I wonder if JVS was able to sneak out of Castro Castro and have sexy times in the apartment?  I imagine you can get a lot of millage out of $75,000.00.

And buy more doo-lolly clackers!  

Hi Monkeys!  I usually only read on Natalee's thread but I have to ask what are "doo-lolly clackers"?  TIA

Edit to fix sp.  NAH name MB

[San]

I don't believe for one minute that Anita is heartbroken or has given up on Joran.  He had the "new" Anita picture on his phone.  They both blame others for their situation.  They are both full of anger.  

Do Dutch widows routinely change their name back to a version of their maiden name?

Who does she blame for Paulus's untimely death?  Joran or the Holloways and the court of public opinion?

I wonder what those who criticized Natalee's loved ones for drinking are thinking about Anita's new pasttime?

Drinking is not anything new for Anita, it has been the tie that binds and opens up the minds of those "friends" of hers, that were more than happy to suck up and then spew her lies for years imo.  Some of them were probably not long time residents (just part of IFA) so they didn't know enough about the family to question what they were told.  But some DID and DO know better.  Anita had the advantage of a kind of automatic respect that most would have to earn because of her position as a teacher at the International School for all these years.  And she used it, and still does.  Her interactions and "friendships" with students of hers on facebook would be frowned upon if not forbidden here.  JMO but I think there are probably those, especially ones that had children say Sebastian's age whose eyes were eventually opened to the not so respectable lives the Van der Sloot's actually lead there and the problems that it seems more than one of their children have.  With the number of people that go there and spend a couple years and then come back to the states, or where ever they were from; many in positions that put their children in the International School...it has been easy for Anita to manipulate people, many that never saw the whole picture about that family. Again, jmo.  

I agree.  How many times have we said that Joran was just like his father.  I am beginning to think that Joran is just like his mother.  She is evil.