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Author Topic: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 - 2/07/12  (Read 366614 times)
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« Reply #560 on: January 25, 2012, 02:15:53 PM »

I want to write a song called "Ode to the Bastard of Boxtel" ... Thanks for nothin' asho.


me thinks the mob is connected to em all & Joran was in the casinos for a reason, that's why dad ran off to the bank when his son was to be interrogated - gotta stash that cash rather then leave it in the piggy bank on the mantel.



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« Reply #561 on: January 25, 2012, 02:52:08 PM »



I wonder if she stayed in the apt when she went to visit JVS in Castro Castro?

I wonder if JVS was able to sneak out of Castro Castro and have sexy times in the apartment?  I imagine you can get a lot of millage out of $75,000.00.



And buy more doo-lolly clackers!   

Hi Monkeys!  I usually only read on Natalee's thread but I have to ask what are "doo-lolly clackers"?  TIA





doo-lolly clackers = benwa balls. Joran gave a pair to a Peruvian cab driver as partial payment for his escape ride to Chile.

This is my fault. I was trying to not say benwa balls... (because I think they're creepy) so I tried to find a cute word as a substitute. In doing so, I think I've created a virus.

Because nobody in their right mind knows what a doo-lolly clackers is.  1,000 apologies.

And I had to ask LOL!  Thanks for defining that for me, I will add it to my list of monkey made up words I've been keeping.  (Maybe we should start a thread called Monkey Talk where I could put this list and we can add to it.)

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« Reply #562 on: January 25, 2012, 02:57:40 PM »

My thought process exactly IF there are no negotiation taking place behind the scenes to lower Joran sentence and thereby qualify him a transfer to Aruba/Holland.
 
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I just have a feeling something even bigger is going to happen.  I have a feeling that Joran is going to throw people under the bus and start naming names.  Joran is mad and he will turn his anger towards Aruba for not helping him.  Everyone get ready to run.

People like:

Van der Straaten
Rudy Croes
Nelson Oduber
Karin Jannsen
Rick Smid
Bob Witt
Ben King
Michael Posner
Julia Renfro

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8145.msg1170391#msg1170391
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« Reply #563 on: January 25, 2012, 03:06:16 PM »




IMOO

Occam's razor = Joran's attorney defended John Gotti

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Joran's attorney was Joe Tacopina.  On Tacopina's list of notable cases, it lists Joran, but not Gotti. http://www.tacopinalaw.com/notable-cases/

I Googled John Gotti's lawyers and they listed Bruce Cutler and Roy Cohn.

Would you provide proof that Joran's attorney defended John Gotti or vice versa.  Thanks.

http://cityfile.com/profiles/joseph-tacopina

Who

Mobsters, murderers, and molesters have all found a friend in defense attorney Joseph Tacopina.
Backstory

Tacopina was born and raised in Sheepshead Bay and wrestled as a Poly Prep high school student. He set his sights on a law career while at Skidmore—he says the true crime novel Fatal Vision inspired him—and after graduating from the University of Bridgeport's law school, he landed a gig assisting Bruce Cutler (a fellow Poly Prep alum) on the Gotti murder trial of 1992. Cutler was soon kicked off the case, and Tacopina headed off to become an assistant district attorney in Brooklyn. In 1995 he went into private practice, although he didn't do so with a long list of clients in hand. (He says he worked a night job checking coats at a hotel for a spell to pay the bills.) Tacopina's career took off when he got involved in the "Morgue Boys" trial, in which three Brooklyn cops were accused of stealing cash and drugs while on duty. Since then, Tacopina has represented a bunch of cops-gone-bad, including Thomas Wiese, who was accused in the assault on Abner Louima, and former police officer Anthony Vasquez, who shot an unarmed man named Patrick Dorismond during a scuffle.



Thanks Sharon!

It's still my opinion, though, that Joran is and never was mob connected/protected.
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« Reply #564 on: January 25, 2012, 03:22:40 PM »

I want to write a song called "Ode to the Bastard of Boxtel" ... Thanks for nothin' asho.


me thinks the mob is connected to em all & Joran was in the casinos for a reason, that's why dad ran off to the bank when his son was to be interrogated - gotta stash that cash rather then leave it in the piggy bank on the mantel.





 

 
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« Reply #565 on: January 25, 2012, 03:27:18 PM »

I want to write a song called "Ode to the Bastard of Boxtel" ... Thanks for nothin' asho.


me thinks the mob is connected to em all & Joran was in the casinos for a reason, that's why dad ran off to the bank when his son was to be interrogated - gotta stash that cash rather then leave it in the piggy bank on the mantel.


RIBBIT!!
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« Reply #566 on: January 25, 2012, 03:33:13 PM »

Mike Posner

DIARIO Aruba
11/21/2005


ORANJESTAD (AAN) The case of Natalee is taking other unexpected twists and very negative ones that are going to tarnish Aruba’s image as a safe destination for tourists and investors.

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The government of Aruba recently declared that they will not permit Joe Mammana to enter Aruba.

Related to his past and criminal record, the government took the decision via the Minister of Justice that they cannot let such a person enter Aruba and about this there was information circulating that this Joe person sent a threatening letter to those who were detained in Aruba related to the case of Natalee.

The government’s actions in this case were correct because they cannot let this type of person come to Aruba and believe that they can come do what they see fit on our island, and to boot, Mammana is one of those who is trying, body and soul, to organize an unjust and unjustifiable boycott against Aruba.

What is strange is that the government refuses to let this ex-criminal enter Aruba, but on the other hand, permits another ex-criminal, Mike Posner who is going soon to the U.S. for cases of law violations, to be able to have a business in Aruba, and enter and leave Aruba whenever he wants.

To make matters worse, the person in question, Mike Posner, has been able to obtain a permit to operate a casino, where anyone who wants to have a casino in Aruba and the majority of other countries in the world have to have a clean criminal record.

Recently, this information has started to circulate in the U.S. as well, and seeing that it hasn’t been many days since via the American media false information was given that Aruba is a sort of den for criminals and even terrorists, the matter of the Aruba casino owner with a criminal past in the US, is going to help those who want to implement a total boycott against Aruba.

Wasn’t it in Mike Posner’s casino that the principal suspect in Natalee’s case, Joran van der Sloot, was sitting gambling, despite the fact that he was underage and that never should he have been permitted to enter the casino?

Some weeks back, other media in Aruba came out in vanguard of the ex-criminal Mike Posner and wrote and article that praised Mike Posner for his supposed achievements in Aruba and what interest they had with him, nobody knows.

Now that the government refuses an American ex-criminal entry to Aruba, the government has to justify the reason why until today they continue to permit a person with such a police record such as Mike Posner, can come to set up a business in Aruba, continue to operate his business in Aruba and come and go whenever he wants.

What sort of handling of Justice is there in Aruba and what impact will this case have in the US when the American media start to question the government of Aruba about this matter?

This matter is pending because there are more questionable things here and also the role that certain politicians in Aruba play and continue to play in this matter.

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« Reply #567 on: January 25, 2012, 03:36:25 PM »

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-health-deteriorates-maximum-security-prison

Joran Van Der Sloot's Health Deteriorates After Being Moved To Maximum Security Prison
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 @ 11:30AM 
By Debbie Emery - Radar Reporter

Joran van der Sloot is no stranger to life in jail but his new home is a far cry from the luxuries he had grown used to during his 18 months at Lima's Castro Castro prison.

After he was sentenced to 28 years on January 13 for the May 2010 murder of Stephany Flores, van der Sloot was transferred to the high security facility of Piedras Gordas in northern Lima in response to criticism that his living conditions were too comfortable, and RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal that since the move his health has been in a downward spiral.

PHOTOS: Inside Piedras Gordas Prison

"His health has suffered and he is not doing well there," an insider exclusively told RadarOnline.com. "Joran blames the food and the water, he says that he is depressed and feeling weak all the time."

During his time at Castro Castro, the 24-year-old Dutchman enjoyed such perks as access to books, money, calling cards, internet access - and even conjugal visits.

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« Reply #568 on: January 25, 2012, 03:36:50 PM »

Michael Posner

10.17.2005
Government has its hand over Michael Posner’s head? Notorious Chicago figure active in Aruba casino
DIARIO Aruba
10/17/2005


ORANJESTAD (AAN): Some time ago DIARIO found information regarding the manager of the Holiday Inn’s Excelsior Casino and people have been calling out to ask how a figure with a criminal past of such an extent can be active in the casino industry of Aruba.

His name? Michael Posner, owner (or one of the owners) of the Brickel Hotel situated in front of the big hotels in Malmok. In the past he was arrested in the state of Illinois for violation of the Ricco Act (racketeering) and because he was also involved in the world of prostitution.

He was condemned to 10 years in prison, but apparently he served 8 out of the 10 years. He appealed his case and lost the appeal! After he was released he was on parole for 5 years. His name is also mentioned as an associate of a notorious family.

DIARIO knows that the government is at the height of such people, and asks how he can be active in the casino industry of Aruba. How did he find a permit to work in this branch with the background that he has? How has the Minister of Justice still not taken action against him? Now that his criminal past is known, what is the government waiting for to take him out of Aruba?

During the [election] campaign which recently came to an end, many comments and rumours were circulating regarding contributions to certain politicians, including those in the [current] government. DIARIO hopes that the issue of campaign moneys remain a rumour, because if true, then there are more politicians for sale than is [already] apparent.

The presence of Michael Posner in the Aruba casino industry, with the criminal past that he has, does not speak well of the judicial control system, nor that of National Security, nor of those in charge to check the background of those who work in the tourism industry of Aruba.

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« Reply #569 on: January 25, 2012, 03:49:59 PM »

Personally, I don't believe there is an Aruban "powers that be" long arm conspiracy at work in Peru trying to get Joran's sentence reduced and him sent to the NL/Aruba correctional system.  If there were, Joran would not have received a sentence of 28 years.  It's easier to prevent it in the first place than to have it reduced on appeal.

Joran received preferential treatment in Aruba after NAH b/c of who Paulus knew, and Aruba's own greed.  He was allowed in the casinos & bars in Aruba, just like all the other kids we saw. And that is b/c ALE didn't care enough to enforce their own laws.  Why go after small fry when they weren't even going after the bigger fish either? Besides, the kids furthered the economy.  If mob money was behind AHATA it was only to protect their own interests, the casinos, not Joran.

Now, Paulus is dead.  Aruba is trying to move on.  The world is aware of what Joran did in Aruba, the NL, Thailand, USA & Peru.  From what I've read, neither the Dutch or Arubans want Joran anymore. Joran is a notorious and self-admitted liar and killer, so why would anyone believe anything that comes out of his mouth now.  As far as I'm concerned, Joran can spill the beans on everyone, and no one would believe him anymore, except for his sycophants. And they are showing themselves as looking pretty ridiculous ala Mary Hamer and John Ludwick. Even Jorans own mother is distancing herself with name changes and apologies.

Joran is in a tough spot, with nobody but fools to help him.  He's desperate and grasping at straws.  Using his confession as a basis for his appeal after trying to have it thrown out is like trying to have his cake and eat it too. I don't believe his appeal will be upheld. I also believe it is also a delay tactic stalling his extradition to the US.

I wouldn't be surprised if Tacopina refused to represent him when Joran comes to face the federal charges in AL.  But then Tacopina seems to love the notoriety involved in representing POS's that other attorneys wouldn't touch.

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« Reply #570 on: January 25, 2012, 03:55:18 PM »

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-health-deteriorates-maximum-security-prison

Joran Van Der Sloot's Health Deteriorates After Being Moved To Maximum Security Prison
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 @ 11:30AM 
By Debbie Emery - Radar Reporter

Joran van der Sloot is no stranger to life in jail but his new home is a far cry from the luxuries he had grown used to during his 18 months at Lima's Castro Castro prison.

After he was sentenced to 28 years on January 13 for the May 2010 murder of Stephany Flores, van der Sloot was transferred to the high security facility of Piedras Gordas in northern Lima in response to criticism that his living conditions were too comfortable, and RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal that since the move his health has been in a downward spiral.

PHOTOS: Inside Piedras Gordas Prison

"His health has suffered and he is not doing well there," an insider exclusively told RadarOnline.com. "Joran blames the food and the water, he says that he is depressed and feeling weak all the time."

During his time at Castro Castro, the 24-year-old Dutchman enjoyed such perks as access to books, money, calling cards, internet access - and even conjugal visits.

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Do you hear violins playing?

I don't. 

When is Joran going to realize that he is in prison being punished for his actions? Or maybe this is his way to try to obtain a new "guardian angel" patsy?
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« Reply #571 on: January 25, 2012, 04:08:08 PM »

 

Joran just made 3 posts on his Facebook page...

Not much activity on wall, is everyone in prison?
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How can he be posting unless he got his $1000 cell phone? Or maybe this isn't really Joran at all.

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« Reply #572 on: January 25, 2012, 04:15:51 PM »

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-health-deteriorates-maximum-security-prison

Joran Van Der Sloot's Health Deteriorates After Being Moved To Maximum Security Prison
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 @ 11:30AM 
By Debbie Emery - Radar Reporter

Joran van der Sloot is no stranger to life in jail but his new home is a far cry from the luxuries he had grown used to during his 18 months at Lima's Castro Castro prison.

After he was sentenced to 28 years on January 13 for the May 2010 murder of Stephany Flores, van der Sloot was transferred to the high security facility of Piedras Gordas in northern Lima in response to criticism that his living conditions were too comfortable, and RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal that since the move his health has been in a downward spiral.

PHOTOS: Inside Piedras Gordas Prison

"His health has suffered and he is not doing well there," an insider exclusively told RadarOnline.com. "Joran blames the food and the water, he says that he is depressed and feeling weak all the time."

During his time at Castro Castro, the 24-year-old Dutchman enjoyed such perks as access to books, money, calling cards, internet access - and even conjugal visits.

 ::snipping2::



Maybe Joran is finally starting to feel like he's really in prison.  That, and maybe he's having withdrawal symptoms from not being able to access illegal drugs. 
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« Reply #573 on: January 25, 2012, 04:35:47 PM »

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-health-deteriorates-maximum-security-prison

Joran Van Der Sloot's Health Deteriorates After Being Moved To Maximum Security Prison
 ::snipping2::

Things have gone from bad to worse since he was moved to Piedras Gordas, a 161,458 square foot maximum security detention center located in a barren desert-like area of Peru, 18 miles from Lima.

It is considered one of the harshest places in the Peruvian penal system, but van der Sloot worries that things could get even more extreme for him if he is sent to the notorious Challapalca Prison, in the cold and inhospitable area of Tacna.

In 2002, a special investigation into the violation of human rights resulted in a report that recommended to the Peruvian State that “the prisons at Challapalca and Yanamayo be deemed unfit to serve that purpose, and that the personnel detained at those prisons be transferred to other prisons.”

Joran's lawyer, Jose Luis Jimenez, is currently fighting to make sure that his client doesn't end his days in the frozen hell hole, and has filed an appeal against his sentence.


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Is Joran getting sick another ploy to avoid being sent to Challapalca?
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« Reply #574 on: January 25, 2012, 04:44:03 PM »

ARUBA'S UNDERGROUND ECONOMY

Paulus van der Sloot's Involvment?

Why was Paulus van der Sloot captured on security video at a gambling table with Joran and Natalee at a time when he claimed he had already left the Excelsior casino.  It is not Paulus sitting at the gambling table that causes inquiring minds to speculate ... it is Paulus' denial that he was there ... it is Michael Posner's outrage at ABC's public release of the video clip.

Janet

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Paulus van der Sloot - Witness Statement - June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home. My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier. We had agreed that he would call me after the tournament, in order for me to come and pick him up. He did indeed call me and at approximately 23.00 hour I picked him up near the Mc Donalds in Palm Beach with my red Suzuki.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=237.0


THE CASINO SECURITY VIDEO CLIP

Michael Posner Upset over Excelsior casino Security Tapes to ABC

Posted February 25, 2006 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/02/25/michael-posner-upset-over-excelsior-casino-security-tapes-to-abc/


DANA PRETZER - December 14, 2006

Dana: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

Jossy Mansur: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/14/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-14th-2006-jossy-mansur/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Sept. 19th
updated 6:33 a.m. PT, Tues., Sept. 20, 2005


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BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 3
updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006


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COSBY … John, first of all, is there a possibility that Paulus might have been talking to Natalee the night that she disappeared?

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.

COSBY: And did he ever say that he had talked to Natalee or not before?

KELLY: No, it’s never even been addressed before whether or not that’s Paulus in the videotape there sitting next to her. And it certainly appears to be to me.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/

 
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July 12, 2005


After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)

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« Reply #575 on: January 25, 2012, 04:55:04 PM »


I like art. I love glass. Always have. Some of those beads are beautiful, And no, I will not be
ordering any of her stuff. I am surprised that I can look at her " stuff " and see some beauty in it, that I don't see in anything about her person, her family: dead, alive, overweight with issues, in prison in her art. Don't kill me.
She must be trying to focus her attention back to her art as a form of therapy for herself. There is nothing she can do to save Joran, there is nothing that anyone can do to save him. He could of tried to save himself, but he didn't, in fact he had way too many enablers along the way so that he didn't face any consequences early in life, no need to change when you have had the family and everyone around him fawning over him and making excuses and blaming other peple, like Natalee, Beth for Joran's problems.
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I have a young grandaughter, if she ever started acting out like Joran did when he was 14, well, I would like to have her shipped to Janet for boot camp.
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« Reply #576 on: January 25, 2012, 05:02:33 PM »



Joran just made 3 posts on his Facebook page...

Not much activity on wall, is everyone in prison?
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How can he be posting unless he got his $1000 cell phone? Or maybe this isn't really Joran at all.

 ::boxingjoran::

Somehow I believe that at Piedras Gordas Prison ... Joran van der Sloot will continue to receive perks reserved for those who have advocates in high places.

When all is said and done ... at this moment in time ... Joran does not have his freedom and ... that is a very good thing.  Other Natalees and Stephanys are not at risk.

Janet

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Piedras Gordas Prison

Peru Court Sentences Van Der Sloot to 28 Years
LIMA, Peru January 13, 2012 (AP)


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Late Friday, prison authorities told the AP that Van der Sloot had been transferred to the high-security Piedras Gordas prison in northern Lima in response to reports that he had enjoyed privileges like television, internet access and a cell phone in Castro Castro prison. Piedras Gordas holds local crime bosses and terrorism convicts, including Shining Path guerrillas.

"He will be in an individual cell at Piedras Gordas to give authorities greater control of him and cut off some of the facilities he has had in Castro Castro," said prison service spokeswoman Janeth Sanchez.

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http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/court-sentence-van-der-sloot-murder-15354004
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« Reply #577 on: January 25, 2012, 05:10:40 PM »

I really, really hope Joran is doing time in prison , like he should be.  However, money can be a big enticement for poorly paid guards.  Joran may have to pay more (a LOT more than he paid at the old prison) for niceties, but I'll bet it happens.  
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« Reply #578 on: January 25, 2012, 05:30:12 PM »

I really, really hope Joran is doing time in prison , like he should be.  However, money can be a big enticement for poorly paid guards.  Joran may have to pay more (a LOT more than he paid at the old prison) for niceties, but I'll bet it happens.  

I agree that money can buy perks.  That's a well known problem within prisons.  We also know that Joran withdrew at least $500 on the day he went to the new prison.

I doubt that bribes from prisoners for perks is only limited to prisoners with friends in high places.  Money talks.

Whatever will Joran do when the gravy train via Mary Hamer dries up? Sounds like he's already trying to find a replacement sucker since he started having troubles with Auntie Mary.
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« Reply #579 on: January 25, 2012, 05:56:11 PM »

Evidently there are 2 Piedras Gordas prisons in Peru. An old one and a new one. Supposedly Joran is at the old one.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120123185745AAy27yC

These links will take you to some pics of what is supposed to be the old one.

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/162546/2012/01/inside-piedras-gordas-prison

http://gaddafi.freesmfhosting.com/index.php?topic=58.0

I like the pic of the steel door.  I hope there is such a door on the unit in which Joran is staying!!
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